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SocalShooterX
05-25-2011, 10:09 PM
How I did it?

In case it hasn't been said to death...


I did an intrafamiliar transfer from my father to myself.

I found the thread on calguns with all the information and there's a one page DOJ paper you have to fill it with all the details. It's really easy, write them a $19 check and mail it in, wait about 3ish months. and a paper will show up saying that your background check has cleared and the handgun is legally in your name!

The hardest part hands down is getting our hsc.

which there is no place on the actual form to put, but per the law you need to have an HSC to own a handgun. The hard part was finding a damn gun store to give me an hsc. Turners wouldn't do it, gun world wouldn't do it, after a lot of back and forth and sending the links over the nice young guys at guns direct (major props) let me take my test passing %100 I walked out with my HSC.
recently in the mail i received my paper alerting me that the transfer was complete.

So it's not just some theoretic loophole. I've done it and it does work.

you have to be 21 to buy handgun ammo. which puts you in another weird problem. but I'm sure ya'll bright youth can figure it out ;)


Hope you over 18 under 21 guys like me get inspired to get your own handgun!

ke6guj
05-25-2011, 10:11 PM
good for you.

pops is also a CA resident?

G1500
05-25-2011, 10:14 PM
Glad to hear it works.

It is strange it was so hard for you to get a HSC. I don't recall an age limit to taking a test.

SocalShooterX
05-25-2011, 10:16 PM
Yep, still live at home with the folks in Socal.

@g1500, you have to be 18 to get an HSC. but most gun shops think because you can't buy a handgun at 21 then you can't get an HSC, or there would be no point.

it's a weird system.

but play by the rules and occasionally you win one.

Colt-45
05-25-2011, 10:20 PM
Nice.

I got my first handgun at age 19 as well.

We are among the lucky ones.

SocalShooterX
05-25-2011, 10:21 PM
Nice.

I got my first handgun at age 19 as well.

We are among the lucky ones.

very much so!

ke6guj
05-25-2011, 10:22 PM
Yep, still live at home with the folks in Socal.good. just making sure that the intrafamily form was being used properly, and not as a way to do an interstate transfer.

@g1500, you have to be 18 to get an HSC. but most gun shops think because you can't buy a handgun at 21 then you can't get an HSC, or there would be no point.

it's a weird system.

but play by the rules and occasionally you win one.yup. And even CADOJ in the past has not realized that an 18-20 year-old can get an HSC. SEems that an 18-20 year-old CG'er did what you did and CADOJ called him up and told him that since he didn't have an HSC that they couldn't process the form. The CG'er had his HSC and CADOJ assumed that he didn't have one, that you had to be 21 to get one.

pepsi2451
05-26-2011, 10:48 AM
Congrats, So what did you get? I also got my first handgun at 19.

yup. And even CADOJ in the past has not realized that an 18-20 year-old can get an HSC. SEems that an 18-20 year-old CG'er did what you did and CADOJ called him up and told him that since he didn't have an HSC that they couldn't process the form. The CG'er had his HSC and CADOJ assumed that he didn't have one, that you had to be 21 to get one.

The DOJ was actually helpful when I called and asked about it. He actually reminded me that I needed a HSC. That was about 6 years ago though.

SocalShooterX
05-26-2011, 11:01 AM
I got a glock 17, I've "had" it for a couple years and been shooting it for a while.

Bigbird19
05-27-2011, 2:56 PM
did you have to get your HSC before you submitted the DOJ registration?

drifter001
05-27-2011, 3:07 PM
Very nice. Congrats!

SocalShooterX
05-27-2011, 9:02 PM
did you have to get your HSC before you submitted the DOJ registration?

By law you have to, but there's no where on the paper that requires your hsc number and i've never had to use it or even get it out since I got it.

Joe
05-28-2011, 4:46 PM
I did the same thing to acquire my glock 19 when I was 19.

luckystrike
05-29-2011, 11:18 AM
Awesome, I remember going into the gunstore the day I graduated HS with a parent. 10 days later we picked it up and were going to send in the intrafamily paperwork when the guy at ontarget range said "no there is no way he can have a handgun at 18, you both will be committing a felony if you try that". I LOLed 3 weeks later when I got the letter in the mail from doj saying it now belongs to me...silly ontarget and their FUD

foxtrotuniformlima
05-29-2011, 1:01 PM
A big thumbs up !

PandaLuv
05-30-2011, 9:08 PM
dude, you just rubbed it into younger guys' faces :p

Congrats bro. Wish I got mine when I was 19, at the same time though, I wasn't mature enough. so kinda glad I got my first one at 21.

Cali-Shooter
05-31-2011, 9:16 AM
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thefinger
05-31-2011, 4:13 PM
Great!

You know, technically the gun is legally yours as soon as he gives it to you. The intra-familial transfer form is just a declaration to the government of that transfer.

caoboy
05-31-2011, 7:22 PM
NICE! Does this mean I can transfer a gun to my brother? Or does it have to be Father-Son?

ke6guj
05-31-2011, 8:01 PM
NICE! Does this mean I can transfer a gun to my brother? Or does it have to be Father-Son?the dealerless intrafamily transfer exemption only applies up-down the family tree, not sideways or diaganal. grandparent, parent, child, grandchild only. No siblings, uncles, cousins.

G1500
05-31-2011, 10:12 PM
the dealerless intrafamily transfer exemption only applies up-down the family tree, not sideways or diaganal. grandparent, parent, child, grandchild only. No siblings, uncles, cousins.

Correct, but you can buy a firearm, give it to your dad, and your dad can give it to your brother. Or you can give it to your dad, dad gives it to grandpa, grandpa gives it to his other son (your uncle) and he gives it to his son (your cousin).

Is this not correct? It seems like a lot of work and a pain in the *** if you ask me.

SGGear
06-01-2011, 12:20 PM
Congratz on your first handgun. Many more to come. Cheers!

caoboy
06-01-2011, 4:03 PM
Nice. My friends didn't believe this was possible. I knew the father to son worked but didn't know you could do it at 18.

JayTee_IsMe
06-01-2011, 6:55 PM
Firestar when I was 18/19, S&W Sigma when I was 19 and Glock 23 when I was 20. =] Lots of "gifts" lol from my old man. and about 5 or 6 rifles in between all that. AR15, Marlin .22, Savage .22, Mosin Nagant, .22 Ar15 ahh. all these guns before 21 lol. Now I sold or traded all of em except my Glock and two rifles. Congrats! I had one hell of an argument with this guy at the range who wouldn't let me shoot.

"I don't know what state you may have got your gun in but here in CA you have to be 21 to own, posses and shoot"

"I got my gun in Ca, I and born and raised in CA."

"Yeah, the kids right" Guy behind me chimes in

"Well, Ive never heard of that law, your gonna have to come back and talk to the owner about that one."

Lol to them... Even though they are a hell of a good range!

AK4me
06-01-2011, 6:58 PM
Congrats, One day Ill transfer a pistol to my son.

2Bear
06-01-2011, 7:02 PM
At 19 years old I finally legally own a handgun in CA

Nice. But just how many have you owned illegally? :p

CAL.BAR
06-01-2011, 7:33 PM
Yep another one of those "back in the days" stories. . . but my parents gave me my first handgun at 12. (.357 magnum 8 1/3 in barrel) even had it loaded in a soft case next to my bed (at 12!) Yep... those were the days. Also before HSC and all the other stuff. But 19 is good too!@ Especially these days.

SocalShooterX
06-01-2011, 7:56 PM
Nice. But just how many have you owned illegally? :p

umm...yeah...about that......umm.....

who let this guy in here?


:D

God Bless The Mauser
06-02-2011, 1:27 PM
Congrats! I got my HSC at 19 but the gunshop almost wouldn't let me take it but I finally convinced him.

stockranger
06-03-2011, 4:16 PM
That is an odd loophole. Never heard of it. Luckily your average gang banger won't know about it.

The 21 years old for a handgun law makes sense to me. It is alot more responsibility then drinking or gambling.

Enjoy your weapon and set an example of safe gun handling so they don't close this loop hole for other responsible young adults!

SocalShooterX
06-04-2011, 9:25 AM
That is an odd loophole. Never heard of it. Luckily your average gang banger won't know about it.

The 21 years old for a handgun law makes sense to me. It is alot more responsibility then drinking or gambling.

Enjoy your weapon and set an example of safe gun handling so they don't close this loop hole for other responsible young adults!


Yea, but i'm sure under 21 bangers have no problems getting handguns.
I completely agree with you on the responsibility, I think people should be able to demonstrate responsibility and get it at any age. I've been shooting since I was a wee little boy with a BB gun, I wore the little shooting glasses that came with it from sport chalet, and since then moving up to .22 to 12 guage and 5.56 and 7.62, it's all about responsibility and differen't people achieve it at different points.

mtsul
06-04-2011, 2:26 PM
That is an odd loophole. Never heard of it. Luckily your average gang banger won't know about it.

The 21 years old for a handgun law makes sense to me. It is alot more responsibility then drinking or gambling.

Enjoy your weapon and set an example of safe gun handling so they don't close this loop hole for other responsible young adults!

when i was 10 i had a loaded gun in a case next to my bed, still do now the whole 21 thing to own a handgun is crap I can go to war at 18 then you better believe my mom dad grandpa can give me a handgun at 18 and its not really a loop hole is it? and to the OP good job I did it too at 18

mossy
06-04-2011, 3:43 PM
i got my first handgun when i was 18. it was the best birthday ever.

t42beal13t
06-13-2011, 4:53 PM
Congrats! Enjoy your new weapon!

abuckner
07-17-2011, 8:15 PM
Questions inbound!

1. So I CAN legally own a handgun even though I'm only 18? Or do I have to be 19?
2. My dad would have to buy it? Can it be from a friend of the family?
3. How do I get the DOJ paper?
4. I got my HSC at 16 or 17, I think, but I lost it. (Might have accidentally thrown it away with a used target) How do I go about getting replacement?

SocalShooterX
07-17-2011, 8:18 PM
Questions inbound!

1. So I CAN legally own a handgun even though I'm only 18? Or do I have to be 19?
2. My dad would have to buy it? Can it be from a friend of the family?
3. How do I get the DOJ paper?
4. I got my HSC at 16 or 17, I think, but I lost it. (Might have accidentally thrown it away with a used target) How do I go about getting replacement?

What a question attack!

Haha, but
1) you have to be 18
2) dad would have to by it. Must be your father or grandfather. Only up and down the family tree, no brothers cousins or friends.
3)just google intrafamikiar transfer, the paperwork is all over the web and on dojs website.
4) I got mine because it's the law, but I have yet to ever use it or present it or anything.

abuckner
07-17-2011, 8:24 PM
What a question attack!

Haha, but
1) you have to be 18
2) dad would have to by it. Must be your father or grandfather. Only up and down the family tree, no brothers cousins or friends.
3)just google intrafamikiar transfer, the paperwork is all over the web and on dojs website.
4) I got mine because it's the law, but I have yet to ever use it or present it or anything.
This also may sound stupid, but the HSC is the Handgun Safety Certificate that you get after a safety class, or is is the actual license?

SocalShooterX
07-17-2011, 8:44 PM
This also may sound stupid, but the HSC is the Handgun Safety Certificate that you get after a safety class, or is is the actual license?

It's both. You take a 25 question test and you get the little card that says you passed.

ke6guj
07-17-2011, 8:50 PM
Questions inbound!
4. I got my HSC at 16 or 17, I think, but I lost it. (Might have accidentally thrown it away with a used target) How do I go about getting replacement?

how did you get your HSC at 16 or 17?

12803. (a) No certified instructor may issue a handgun safety certificate to any person who has not complied with this article. Proof of compliance shall be forwarded to the department by certified instructors as frequently as the department may determine.
(b) No certified instructor may issue a handgun safety certificate to any person who is under 18 years of age.
(c) A violation of this section shall be grounds for the department to revoke the instructor's certification to issue handgun safety certificates.

safewaysecurity
07-17-2011, 8:57 PM
I'm 19 and should be getting my own soon.

abuckner
07-17-2011, 9:02 PM
how did you get your HSC at 16 or 17?

My dad and I went to The Firing Line in HB to shoot handguns for the first time (for me), and we took the safety class.

safewaysecurity
07-17-2011, 9:08 PM
There is no class for HSC... You probably just got like a card for that range.

Knight_Who_Says_Ni
08-25-2011, 5:18 PM
There is no class for HSC... You probably just got like a card for that range.


There are a number of handgun introduction classes where you take the HSC test at the end of it. I know my dad took my mom to one of them on a date a couple years ago.

mreed
08-28-2011, 4:51 PM
grats! i just borrow my dads glock a whole lot. lol

ChopperX
09-15-2011, 2:07 PM
Congrats!

I did this a little over a year ago when I was 20. My grandma passed away and I was given her .357 Smith and Wesson. Went to Turners ( I really don't like that place) took the HSC. They gave me some headache saying I had to be 21 and I told them that I was doing an intrafamilliar transfer and they said whatever. Passed the test. Filled out the form an gave the DOJ their money and about 3 weeks later I got a letter in the mail saying "HEY GUESS WHAT?!?! YOUR A LEGAL GUN OWNER NOW w00t w00t!!!"

Zues
09-18-2011, 9:41 PM
Originally Posted by SocalShooterX
The hardest part hands down is getting our hsc.
This is weird because Im a certified instructor for this and it clearly states applicants 18 and over. So they should have given the test to you.

Originally Posted by abuckner
Questions inbound!
4. I got my HSC at 16 or 17, I think, but I lost it. (Might have accidentally thrown it away with a used target) How do I go about getting replacement?

I don't know how you got it but you can Not get a Replacement you have to be 18 to even be able to take the test

the donald
10-02-2011, 12:37 AM
What a question attack!

Haha, but
2) dad would have to by it. Must be your father or grandfather. Only up and down the family tree, no brothers cousins or friends.



hmm, does this apply if i am the legal guardian of my sibling/nephew/niece/cousin? with parents and grandparents being deceased.

Bongos
10-02-2011, 12:03 PM
how old do you have to be to reload? ammo problem solved

Mssr. Eleganté
10-02-2011, 4:13 PM
hmm, does this apply if i am the legal guardian of my sibling/nephew/niece/cousin? with parents and grandparents being deceased.

The phrase "parent or legal guardian" is used in many parts of the Penal Code dealing with firearms. But unfortunately the section that allows parents to give handguns to their 18+ year old children only says "parent".

12078(c)

(1) Subdivision (d) of Section 12072 shall not apply to the infrequent transfer of a firearm that is not a handgun by gift, bequest, intestate succession, or other means by one individual to another if both individuals are members of the same immediate family.

(2) Subdivision (d) of Section 12072 shall not apply to the infrequent transfer of a handgun by gift, bequest, intestate succession, or other means by one individual to another if both individuals are members of the same immediate family and all of the following conditions are met:
(A) The person to whom the firearm is transferred shall, within 30 days of taking possession of the firearm, forward by prepaid mail or deliver in person to the Department of Justice, a report that includes information concerning the individual taking possession of the firearm, how title was obtained and from whom, and a description of the firearm in question. The report forms that individuals complete pursuant to this paragraph shall be provided to them by the Department of Justice.

(B) The person taking title to the firearm shall first obtain a basic firearms safety certificate. If taking possession on or after January 1, 2003, the person taking title to the firearm shall first obtain a handgun safety certificate.

(C) The person receiving the firearm is 18 years of age or older.
(3) As used in this subdivision, "immediate family member" means any one of the following relationships:
(A) Parent and child.

(B) Grandparent and grandchild.

crackerman
10-04-2011, 10:36 AM
The phrase "parent or legal guardian" is used in many parts of the Penal Code dealing with firearms. But unfortunately the section that allows parents to give handguns to their 18+ year old children only says "parent".

You know since we are kinda on the topic.

How does the penal code for that relate to STEP-parents and transfers? I figure adoptive parents automatically count since adoptions confer parental rights but does the step-definition (while legally recognized other places) meet the up/down linage test here.

And to expand what about inlaws?

ChopperX
10-06-2011, 9:56 AM
To my understanding it's only father, mother, grandfather and grandmother only. I could be wrong.

Kauf
12-20-2011, 3:34 PM
Awesome, I remember going into the gunstore the day I graduated HS with a parent. 10 days later we picked it up and were going to send in the intrafamily paperwork when the guy at ontarget range said "no there is no way he can have a handgun at 18, you both will be committing a felony if you try that". I LOLed 3 weeks later when I got the letter in the mail from doj saying it now belongs to me...silly ontarget and their FUD

Ya OnTarget doesn't really know their laws too well :rofl:

abuckner
12-25-2011, 11:29 PM
How I did it?

In case it hasn't been said to death...


I did an intrafamiliar transfer from my father to myself.

I found the thread on calguns with all the information and there's a one page DOJ paper you have to fill it with all the details. It's really easy, write them a $19 check and mail it in, wait about 3ish months. and a paper will show up saying that your background check has cleared and the handgun is legally in your name!

Hope you over 18 under 21 guys like me get inspired to get your own handgun!
I need the link to that thread. My dad gave me his XD9 this morning.

Mssr. Eleganté
12-26-2011, 12:25 AM
I need the link to that thread. My dad gave me his XD9 this morning.

I don't know where the thread is that he mentioned, but here is the rundown of what you need to do to receive a handgun from your parent or grandparent in California before you turn 21.

1. You need to be at least 18 years of age.
2. You need to have a Handgun Safety Certificate.
3. The parent or grandparent giving you the handgun has to be a resident of California (as do you).
4. Within 30 days of taking possession of the handgun from your parent or grandparent you need to mail in the intrafamilial handgun transfer report to CalDOJ along with a payment of $19. Here's a link to the form...

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/oag.ca.gov/files/pdfs/firearms/oplaw.pdf

abuckner
12-26-2011, 5:14 PM
I don't know where the thread is that he mentioned, but here is the rundown of what you need to do to receive a handgun from your parent or grandparent in California before you turn 21.

1. You need to be at least 18 years of age.
2. You need to have a Handgun Safety Certificate.
3. The parent or grandparent giving you the handgun has to be a resident of California (as do you).
4. Within 30 days of taking possession of the handgun from your parent or grandparent you need to mail in the intrafamilial handgun transfer report to CalDOJ along with a payment of $19. Here's a link to the form...

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/oag.ca.gov/files/pdfs/firearms/oplaw.pdf
Thanks. Have a good new year!