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NYY
05-25-2011, 8:45 PM
is there such a thing?

MUKAK
05-25-2011, 8:46 PM
sure its right in da middle LOL

Black Majik
05-25-2011, 8:46 PM
Yes, .223, .22-250, .222 etc...

WDE91
05-25-2011, 8:46 PM
Uhh like .22-250?
its a .22 humming along at 4000 fps
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=166900

CHS
05-25-2011, 8:51 PM
There are tons of centerfire .22's.

blazeaglory
05-25-2011, 8:51 PM
poor varmints:(

NYY
05-25-2011, 8:53 PM
now im lost... for example a ruger 10/22 cant shoot centerfire .22.....

CHS
05-25-2011, 8:54 PM
is there such a thing?

Were you really a marine?

Ever used an M16, M249, or M4???

Those are centerfire .22's.

CHS
05-25-2011, 8:54 PM
now im lost... for example a ruger 10/22 cant shoot centerfire .22.....

Yeah, because that's a rimfire gun that shoots .22lr, a rimfire cartridge.

blazeaglory
05-25-2011, 8:55 PM
Were you really a marine?

Ever used an M16, M249, or M4???

Those are centerfire .22's.

maybe he means without the 3 at the end...lol

FatalKitty
05-25-2011, 8:57 PM
now im lost... for example a ruger 10/22 cant shoot centerfire .22.....

be careful with that word Marine.

NYY
05-25-2011, 8:58 PM
so i guess my original question should have been is there such a thing as a centerfire .22LR....

CHS
05-25-2011, 9:06 PM
so i guess my original question should have been is there such a thing as a centerfire .22LR....

No. There is no point. .22lr is already rimfire.

Dannicus
05-25-2011, 9:11 PM
so i guess my original question should have been is there such a thing as a centerfire .22LR....

That's like asking if there's such thing as a dog that's a cat. .22lr is the name of that specific cartridge; it's a long .22 cal rifle cartridge.

NYY
05-25-2011, 9:13 PM
That's like asking if there's such thing as a dog that's a cat. .22lr is the name of that specific cartridge.

well actually haha... dog + cat could happen.... but i see now. Was confused there. Thanks !

NYY
05-25-2011, 9:14 PM
No. There is no point. .22lr is already rimfire.

alright i see now. Thanks!

blazeaglory
05-25-2011, 9:19 PM
No. There is no point. .22lr is already rimfire.

does center fire have a percussion cap in the rear "center"? and rimfire does not?

im confused but i think rimfire is ignited different? without a blasting cap somehow?

Dannicus
05-25-2011, 9:19 PM
does center fire have a percussion cap in the rear "center"? and rimfire does not?

im confused but i think rimfire is ignited different? without a blasting cap somehow?

Rimfire has the primer material crimped into the rim.

blazeaglory
05-25-2011, 9:30 PM
Rimfire has the primer material crimped into the rim.

ahh. got it

WDE91
05-25-2011, 9:32 PM
Is this guy for real?? :nuts:

rimfire VS centerfire
apple and oranges

Ya that would be rather impressive if you could get a 10-22 to launch a .22 centerfire
aluminum receiver a little longer than a 223 round sounds like a recipe for success

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centerfire_ammunition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rimfire_ammunition

NYY
05-25-2011, 9:35 PM
just curious as to why the rimfire is even used.....i have a strong feeling you guys arent quite getting what i meant and instead i just look plain retarded. oh well..

drifter001
05-25-2011, 9:36 PM
not that ive heard of?

evidens83
05-25-2011, 9:37 PM
so i guess my original question should have been is there such a thing as a centerfire .22LR....

And the stupid question of the day goes to...:thumbsup:

but seriously though, you're not a Marine are you?:D

blazeaglory
05-25-2011, 9:39 PM
it goes back to ancient china and the quest to make a self contained "cartridge"

http://www.chuckhawks.com/history_rimfire_ammo.htm

NYY
05-25-2011, 9:40 PM
allllllllllllllllll im picturing is a .22LR with a primer in it that can be struck just like a typical .223 round... is that POSSIBLE.. can primers even be made that small...

blazeaglory
05-25-2011, 9:41 PM
anything is possible but whyyyyyy

WDE91
05-25-2011, 9:42 PM
they have adapters that bring things down

GUN is .45-70 use adapter than fires something smaller possibly rimfire

NYY
05-25-2011, 9:43 PM
anything is possible but whyyyyyy

because i like diversity.

CHS
05-25-2011, 9:57 PM
allllllllllllllllll im picturing is a .22LR with a primer in it that can be struck just like a typical .223 round... is that POSSIBLE.. can primers even be made that small...

It would just end up being a much more expensive cartridge that would require new guns in order to fire it.

Yes, it could be done. It would also be entirely pointless. Unless you really like just wasting money.

Remus
05-25-2011, 10:05 PM
just curious as to why the rimfire is even used.....

1) The primer compound in a rimfire needs to be compressed to ignite. If you placed the primer in the center of the case then I presume you would have failure to fire problems as a consistent compressive stress would be difficult to achieve between rounds. Placing the primer in the rim allows for a very consistent stress to be imparted to the compound resulting in a more reliable design.

2) From what I have read the primer compound is placed in the rim by dropping the compound into the empty case and then spinning the case resulting in an even distribution, very simple. To have an effective centerfire round you would need a traditional primer, this would result in the need of a primer pocket. Thereby driving up the material cost of both the brass and the components.

3) Im willing to bet that rimfires account for a significant percentage of the rifles and pistols currently owned by the public. To do away with rimfire ammunition would seem to be a major loss for the ammunition manufactures.

If you can develop a reloadable centerfire cartridge that is as cheap, and functional as the 22lr then by all means do it. Just be aware that there are so many rimfires on the market that it would take a significant time period to phase them out, if ever.

resident-shooter
05-25-2011, 10:14 PM
TROAL I tellz yee !!!!

Bhobbs
05-25-2011, 10:22 PM
allllllllllllllllll im picturing is a .22LR with a primer in it that can be struck just like a typical .223 round... is that POSSIBLE.. can primers even be made that small...

.22lr is popular because it is so cheap. Making it centerfire would make it much more expensive to the point where you can buy more powerful rounds for cheaper. The 5mm Magnum rimfire was converted to centerfire if you want something diverse.

swifty
05-25-2011, 10:24 PM
I don't know of a centerfire version of the 22LR. The 22Magnum is a rimfire, there is a close version in centerfire that is the .22 CCM (Cooper Centerfire Magnum).

CK_32
05-25-2011, 10:31 PM
but seriously though, you're not a Marine are you?:D

I'm curious my self. Seeing him ignore that question 3 times now.

NYY
05-25-2011, 10:32 PM
curiosity gets the best of us. Not going to pursue this new "idea". just seeing what the idea is like.

NYY
05-25-2011, 10:33 PM
and no, not ignoring it. i am not a marine.

themailman
05-25-2011, 10:44 PM
and no, not ignoring it. i am not a marine.

A lot of your posts make more sense to me now lol.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/22caliber_cartridges.htm

What is the story behind your SN?

CSACANNONEER
05-25-2011, 10:44 PM
allllllllllllllllll im picturing is a .22LR with a primer in it that can be struck just like a typical .223 round... is that POSSIBLE.. can primers even be made that small...

There are primers that are extremely small.

because i like diversity.

Then, get into wildcats. You can do anything from .10 cal to a .50 cal on a 20mm case.

and no, not ignoring it. i am not a marine.

That was obvious.

NYY
05-25-2011, 10:50 PM
then i guess all marines know there arent any centerfire .22LR's?.. hm

CHS
05-25-2011, 11:21 PM
Anyone else remember the .224 BOZ?

http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m446/bdsmchs/dscn0976jpg_thumbnail1.jpg

killshot44
05-26-2011, 1:23 AM
How about the .22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer ?


http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/22-Eargesplitten-Loudenboomer-Comparison.jpg

CSACANNONEER
05-26-2011, 5:29 AM
then i guess all marines know there arent any centerfire .22LR's?.. hm

Once you specify .22lr, you have specified an exact cartridge. So, I would hope that even a marine would be inteligent enough to know that you can't specify a rimfire cartridge and magically make it a centerfire one.

RONIN.
05-26-2011, 7:52 AM
So what is the story with the screen name.?????

themailman
05-26-2011, 7:57 AM
then i guess all marines know there arent any centerfire .22LR's?.. hm

This marine does. A .22LR is a rimfire. There is no centerfire .22LR on the market. It doesnt take a Marine to know that, most gun people know what a .22LR is....

So, whats the story behind your name?

Dannicus
05-26-2011, 8:22 AM
I dunno what the deal is with people correlating his intelligence with being/not being a marine. Marines come in all IQs, I don't think they come as low as Army, tho.

He prolly does something in the boating buisiness. I'm curious, tho too. If he's posing he'll get jumped on like a recruit coming to boot camp with camo on.

bussda
05-26-2011, 10:23 AM
Anyone else remember the .224 BOZ?



I remember it. And based on how tightly it was controlled, some people on rec.guns were thinking of doing the same on a .45 ACP pistol. Wikipedia is saying they are putting the boz in a 9mm, now.

I wonder how many people know the .22 Hornet was created from people reloading the .22WMR. And John Browning created the .25ACP because .22LR were so unreliable.

toby
05-26-2011, 10:26 AM
I remember it. And based on how tightly it was controlled, some people on rec.guns were thinking of doing the same on a .45 ACP pistol. Wikipedia is saying they are putting the boz in a 9mm, now.

I wonder how many people know the .22 Hornet was created from people reloading the .22WMR. And John Browning created the .25ACP because .22LR were so unreliable.

Really??:confused: never knew? thanx

mif_slim
05-26-2011, 10:31 AM
Were you really a marine?

Ever used an M16, M249, or M4???

Those are centerfire .22's.


Their not 22's!! Their 5.56!!!

lol.

Lead Waster
05-26-2011, 11:23 AM
So what is the story with the screen name.?????

Marine biologist? ;)

G1500
05-26-2011, 11:40 AM
What is the story behind your SN?

Perhaps something like this?

http://www.lgmarineservice.com/images/LG%20Marine%20Logo.jpg

jimmykan
05-26-2011, 12:36 PM
25ACP is pretty close to what the OP is "imagining".

voiceoftheright
05-26-2011, 1:12 PM
I've known this guy wasn't a Marine for awhile. He used to have a Recon insignia as his picture. I just never felt like saying anything because his threads are some of the most entertaining for foolishness, time and time again.

RONIN.
05-26-2011, 1:13 PM
Marine biologist? ;)

lol

22lr is a rimfire..

now if OP said are there 22 cal centerfires.. would be a different story all together..

:rolleyes:

mif_slim
05-26-2011, 1:35 PM
I dont think you guys should judge him by their SN....many people has stupid or great SN and it has nothing to do with their occupation.

Maybe the guy is a father of a marine, maybe he cant be a marine and is supporting the troops, maybe he is a marine?...it doesnt matter.

My SN says Slim but I aint slim. LOL...

Besides, to be honest, not all marines are bright and intellegent. Thats just the truth.

Droppin Deuces
05-26-2011, 1:43 PM
My SN has dual meaning...

send it_hit
05-26-2011, 1:46 PM
is there such a thing?

wow. i think i for one understood what youre asking, and instead of questioning your intelligence would have answered:

if you mean a .22LR sized round that is the same dimensions of case and bullet, but with a centerfire primer, no that doesn't exist. Probably not very efficient to make one either. as far as .22 sized rounds LIKE 22-250, .223, .222, well yes those are centerfire. But I'm sure you knew that and I don't think that's what you were asking.

Idk, sometimes it seems a simple yes or no is hard to comeby in the firearms world. It's the whole "answer a basic question with an exasperated answer" that drives a lot of people away from ranges and gun shops, as well as gun forums... come on, lighten up, you know what the guy was asking. marine or not.

Commence sending me hate mail now.

send it_hit
05-26-2011, 1:48 PM
25ACP is pretty close to what the OP is "imagining".

+1 :)

MrPlink
05-26-2011, 2:24 PM
Im not sure why we are attacking this man on the basis of him being a Marine and not knowing that .22lr is a rimfire round. What do the 2 have to do with each other?

Im not a Marine, but Id say its a safe guess to say that they dont train to use them in combat, nor are they likely to get training that says they will encounter them a lot on a battlefield, so why would assume that through the virtue of being a Marine one would know this?

Hell, Ive got a couple of buddies that are former Marines and they ask me about tech crap all the time, and Ive never served! Now I cant out shoot any of them.... but thats another story.

Droppin Deuces
05-26-2011, 2:31 PM
Im not sure why we are attacking this man on the basis of him being a Marine and not knowing that .22lr is a rimfire round. What do the 2 have to do with each other?

Im not a Marine, but Id say its a safe guess to say that they dont train to use them in combat, nor are they likely to get training that says they will encounter them a lot on a battlefield, so why would assume that through the virtue of being a Marine one would know this?

Hell, Ive got a couple of buddies that are former Marines and they ask me about tech crap all the time, and Ive never served! Now I cant out shoot any of them.... but thats another story.

I have CURRENT Marine buddies who ask me about tech stuff. They know how to shoot and clean their rifles, and that's about as far as their firearms knowledge goes. Nothing wrong with that.

I think it's safe to say that not all Marines are firearms enthuiasts, just as not all firearms enthusiasts are or have ever been in the military at all.

CHS
05-26-2011, 3:09 PM
I think it's safe to say that not all Marines are firearms enthuiasts, just as not all firearms enthusiasts are or have ever been in the military at all.

Correct.

It does always make me laugh when I hear about friends who got TERRIBLE firearms advice because they made the mistake of asking a police officer or someone in the military. There is this strange assumption that if you are a cop or in the military you know everything about guns.

The funny thing is, you don't see people asking cops how to rebuild the engine in their car. I mean, cops drive cars around all day, so obviously they are car experts right?

No. Members of the military and law enforcement are people. Some of those people know a lot about guns because it's an interest they choose to pursue, and some of them know next to nothing about guns outside of the limited knowledge they are taught in order to do their job.

HOWEVER:

I would expect a Marine, who has had intimate experience with the M16, M4, and M249, all 5.56mm weapons, to know that they are just big loud scary .22's. I can't imagine that anyone with the kind of experience Marines have with these weapons WOULDNT know that they are centerfire, and .22's.

I'm not assuming that they would know everything about guns, but I think it's a VERY safe assumption to know that they know that 5.56 = .22 (or .223) and what that means regarding bore size.

Just like a Marine would know that 7.62 is .30, and .50 is, well, .50.

themailman
05-26-2011, 3:16 PM
I'd say most Marines understand that a 5.56 is a .223 is a .222 is a .22 etc since we buy Bore Snakes like crazy. But, being in the military doesnt make you a gun expert, in most cases it makes you the opposite.

What gets me is this guys screen name, and how he used to rock a Marine units emblem as an avatar. It's cool to support us, but if there is no disclaimer in your sigline, then it looks like a lie by omission. Either way, w/e...its just the internutz.

OP, has your question been answered thoroughly lol?

dominic
05-26-2011, 3:30 PM
I have a caliber conversion sleeve called the Hammond Gamegetter (http://www3.telus.net/gamegetter/operate1.html) which is a chamber insert that converts a centerfire to allow you to use a blank .22 to fire a muzzle loader ball out of it.

Lead Waster
05-26-2011, 6:15 PM
Well, you can get a .22lr conversion kit so that you can shoot .22lr out of your AR-15. The barrel is .22 (diameter) and the .223 Rem/5.56 mm and .22lr bullets are the same diameter, though obviously different chamber and firing method (rimfire versus centerfire).

Actually here's a question, do all rimfire firearms use a hammer to hit the rim? So there aren't firing pins? Or are there still firing pins?

I'm just as newby as the next guy.

And my SN is pretty accurate ;)

daveinwoodland
05-26-2011, 6:26 PM
Here's a rim fire round from hell, 58 cal I believe:

http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l489/daveinwoodland/PICT0014-1.jpg

http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l489/daveinwoodland/PICT0013-2.jpg

GOPOSTALMAIL
05-26-2011, 6:31 PM
I thought .50 is actually 12.7 mm or .45 is 11.43 mm !

CHS
05-26-2011, 6:33 PM
Actually here's a question, do all rimfire firearms use a hammer to hit the rim? So there aren't firing pins? Or are there still firing pins?


They have firing pins. The head of the firing pins in most cases is square/rectangular shaped instead of the traditional rounded of a centerfire firing pin.

evidens83
05-26-2011, 6:34 PM
IBTL or delete ;)

CHS
05-26-2011, 6:35 PM
I thought .50 is actually 12.7 mm or .45 is 11.43 mm !

The military doesn't (to my knowledge) refer to the .50 as anything but a .50.

NYY
05-26-2011, 9:31 PM
I'd say most Marines understand that a 5.56 is a .223 is a .222 is a .22 etc since we buy Bore Snakes like crazy. But, being in the military doesnt make you a gun expert, in most cases it makes you the opposite.

What gets me is this guys screen name, and how he used to rock a Marine units emblem as an avatar. It's cool to support us, but if there is no disclaimer in your sigline, then it looks like a lie by omission. Either way, w/e...its just the internutz.

OP, has your question been answered thoroughly lol?

it has thanks you guys. and the whole marines thing, i just support yall thats all. I will be going to OCS after college so im thrilled enough to make everything "marines related"... my bad if anyone (marines, or military) take it in a bad way....if its even possible ill change it after hearing what some have to say..

Droppin Deuces
05-26-2011, 11:14 PM
Here's a rim fire round from hell, 58 cal I believe:

http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l489/daveinwoodland/PICT0014-1.jpg

http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l489/daveinwoodland/PICT0013-2.jpg
So old it's made of stone.

Beetle Bailey
05-26-2011, 11:52 PM
.22lr is the name of a specific cartridge. Full name is .22 long rifle, shortened to .22lr. One of its many virtues is it is very inexpensive to produce. I doubt it will go away in our lifetimes.

.22 cal is any gun with a bore diameter of 22/100 of an inch. That includes but is not limited to: .22lr, .22 wmr, .222 rem, .223 rem, .22-250, etc.

If you are looking for a centerfire cartridge of roughly the same power level as .22lr, you are not the first to ask for something like that. As bussda and jimmykan mentioned, .25 acp is a centerfire cartridge that gives you .22lr power. Why would someone want this? Because centerfire cartridges are considered to have more reliable ignition than rimfire cartridges and reliable ignition is kinda important in a self defense firearm. The only guns I know of that chamber .25 acp are tiny pocket pistols. Those are mostly for self defense.

So the closest thing to what you are asking for is .25 acp and it is no where near as popular as .22lr. Price the ammo and remember that people love inexpensive ammo.

elSquid
05-27-2011, 12:20 AM
http://www.colt22.com/askinslhf.jpg

http://www.colt22.com/askins.html

Used by Col. Askins to win the national title at Camp Perry way back when. It was banned from competition the next year! Read the link for full details.

-- Michael