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myutahccw
05-25-2011, 8:30 AM
As a new instructor here on Calguns.net I was surprised to see that instructors were offering combo Utah/Florida classes. I wanted to know if this was okay with Florida and did a little digging....

The Florida website states the following training is acceptable:

Completion of any firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association-certified firearms instructor.


http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/firearms/acceptable_training_documentation.html

Now, your Utah concealed carry instructor is likely a NRA certified instructor so the above is just fine. However, there is a critical piece missing here.

You MUST fire a handgun in a safe manner to qualify for the Florida concealed carry. Here's the statute that is not readily visible on Florida's site (790.06):

A photocopy of a certificate of completion of any of the courses or classes; or an affidavit from the instructor, school, club, organization, or group that conducted or taught said course or class attesting to the completion of the course or class by the applicant; or a copy of any document which shows completion of the course or class or evidences participation in firearms competition shall constitute evidence of qualification under this paragraph; any person who conducts a course pursuant to subparagraph 2., subparagraph 3., or subparagraph 7., or who, as an instructor, attests to the completion of such courses, must maintain records certifying that he or she observed the student safely handle and discharge the firearm;



http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.06.html


As you are searching for a course, please take note that you must fire a pistol in order to qualify for the Florida permit.

sully007
05-25-2011, 9:33 PM
As a new instructor here on Calguns.net I was surprised to see that instructors were offering combo Utah/Florida classes. I wanted to know if this was okay with Florida and did a little digging....

The Florida website states the following training is acceptable:

Completion of any firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association-certified firearms instructor.


http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/firearms/acceptable_training_documentation.html

Now, your Utah concealed carry instructor is likely a NRA certified instructor so the above is just fine. However, there is a critical piece missing here.

You MUST fire a handgun in a safe manner to qualify for the Florida concealed carry. Here's the statute that is not readily visible on Florida's site (790.06):

A photocopy of a certificate of completion of any of the courses or classes; or an affidavit from the instructor, school, club, organization, or group that conducted or taught said course or class attesting to the completion of the course or class by the applicant; or a copy of any document which shows completion of the course or class or evidences participation in firearms competition shall constitute evidence of qualification under this paragraph; any person who conducts a course pursuant to subparagraph 2., subparagraph 3., or subparagraph 7., or who, as an instructor, attests to the completion of such courses, must maintain records certifying that he or she observed the student safely handle and discharge the firearm;



http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.06.html


As you are searching for a course, please take note that you must fire a pistol in order to qualify for the Florida permit.

Florida
790.06 License to carry concealed weapon or firearm.

(2) The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services shall issue a license if the applicant:

(h) Demonstrates competence with a firearm by any one of the following:

1. Completion of any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission or a similar agency of another state;

2. Completion of any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course;

3. Completion of any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law enforcement, junior college, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school, utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association, Criminal Justice Standards and Training Commission, or the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services;

4. Completion of any law enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of law enforcement or security enforcement;

5. Presents evidence of equivalent experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competition or military service;

6. Is licensed or has been licensed to carry a firearm in this state or a county or municipality of this state, unless such license has been revoked for cause; or

7. Completion of any firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association certified firearms instructor;


A photocopy of a certificate of completion of any of the courses or classes; or an affidavit from the instructor, school, club, organization, or group that conducted or taught said course or class attesting to the completion of the course or class by the applicant; or a copy of any document which shows completion of the course or class or evidences participation in firearms competition shall constitute evidence of qualification under this paragraph; any person who conducts a course pursuant to subparagraph 2., subparagraph 3., or subparagraph 7., or who, as an instructor, attests to the completion of such courses, must maintain records certifying that he or she observed the student safely handle and discharge the firearm;

Yugo
05-25-2011, 9:38 PM
so your saying some instructors here on calguns DONT do this?

SmokinMr2
05-26-2011, 6:27 AM
1. Completion of any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission or a similar agency of another state;

I don't see a shooting requirement in hunter safety either but that is also acceptable.
Why don't you just call and ask?
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/contacts/index.html.


oops. meant to post in this thread.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=437413

SmokinMr2
05-27-2011, 10:54 AM
Well I decided to call and ask.
After an extreme wait over 2 days, I finally got a call back from a supervisor (since regular staff was as unsure as the rest of us).

I believe the gentleman's name was "Marion". Don't know if it was first or last, but since that was John Wayne's given name, it seems appropriate for a firearms guy

The short answer is NRA type instructors need to observe their students firing a gun. There is no qualification, round count, etc. but as actual law is written it should be done.
There is however, no one checking and no actual mechanism in place to make sure it's being followed. He's hoping (and suggesting) the Legislature, rulemakers, etc. clarify it.
The gist of it is that they want to make sure folks can actually shoot a gun if they need to.

Personally, I'd sure hate to see all the fine reciprocity go away because instructors want to dance around the issue.

sully007
05-27-2011, 3:22 PM
1. Completion of any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission or a similar agency of another state;

I don't see a shooting requirement in hunter safety either but that is also acceptable.
Why don't you just call and ask?
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/contacts/index.html.


oops. meant to post in this thread.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=437413


Your correct there is no requirement (For Hunter Safety classes) to observed the student safely handle and discharge the firearm; Very weird how this is written. One class you must discharge a firearm and the other there is no requirement to do so.

Some strange laws on the books.

CCWUSA
05-27-2011, 10:58 PM
My students either meet the requirements with proof of prior training or experience, or they do a range qual after the class. I use the same qual I use the California CCW permit quals.

D.V.C.