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imarangemaster
05-22-2011, 1:08 PM
Retro AR15 build and Kel-Tec SU16CA went to the range.

AR15 specs:
-Nodak Spud 601/601 slab side lower with Nodak spud 601 pivot pin
-Colt M16A1 CH upper with correct dust cover and Colt slip ring
-Colt 1/12" 20" barrel (CM P Chrome Bore)
-Three prong FH
-Type D stock, triangular handguards and mottled early grip
-603 Chrome bolt carrier group
-Colt SP1 charging handle and lower receiver parts
-Original 1969 comic book manual, Chieu Hoi mag bag, bayonet and bipod

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg134/imarangemaster/603.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg134/imarangemaster/603A.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg134/imarangemaster/ComicbookChieuHoi.jpg

It can shoot as good as it looks!

I went to the Como MS range today with my son-in-law to sight in the 603 and the Kel-Tec SU-16CA I just got. Well, as usual, the weathermen in Mississippi LIE! At 7:30 the radar showed clear, and the hourly for Como was for clear until noon or 1PM. At 7:45 I drove the 50 minutes from Southaven to the range to beat the crowd and the rain... In true NW Mississippi style, it was pouring rain when we got there! It seems the storm front in Louisiana and Arkansas turned 90 degrees and headed east suddenly. We decided to hang around, and try shooting when there were gaps of drizzle in the storm.

With very minor adjustments, got the 603 (POI 1.25" below POA dialed in on a 25 yard sight in target). It was very windy and drizzling, so the groups at 25 were a little larger than when the barrel was on the slick-side upper. Average was about 3/4" at 25 yards. Ammo is Israeli M-193 ball. The targets and cardboard were getting soggy and blowing off, so instead of shoot paper at 100, we started shooting at a rock about twice the size of a softball at 200 yards. Both my son-in-law and I hit it with about every shot. Not to bad considering my glasses were fogging and the sights were wet. I wanted to take pictures, but that would have been a foggy waste.

The Kel-Tec was a big surprise, though. It shot as well as the 603 clone. I had an SU-16B model about 5 years ago and liked it, but the barrel was too light for me. I traded it when I left California for the land of the REAL weapons. This new CA model is an improvement. The barrel is heavier than an AR pencil barrel now, and the bore and chamber are chrome lined like an AR. The muzzle is threaded 1/2"x28 to take AR FH and brakes. AT under 6 pounds, it is handy like a 5.56mm M1 Carbine, and I can use my legal pre-ban high-cap mags in it when I take it into California. (It takes M16 mags, and even holds a spare 30 rounder in the stock).

1911su16b870
05-22-2011, 2:36 PM
Nice pics! The comic book manual and nib mag are pretty sweet!

RyanX
05-22-2011, 2:40 PM
Friggin sweet!!!

Bigbird19
05-22-2011, 3:35 PM
:79:

dieselpower
05-22-2011, 3:43 PM
God I remember those bi-pods.... We still used them in the 80s LOL

smle-man
05-22-2011, 6:00 PM
The M16 with the bipod was the stand in for the squad AR when the M14A1 left the inventory. We still had the PS magazine type comic book in the arms room in the early 80s. Connie Rodd sure changed her looks over the years (for fans of PS magazine).

imarangemaster
05-22-2011, 6:04 PM
The M16 with the bipod was the stand in for the squad AR when the M14A1 left the inventory. We still had the PS magazine type comic book in the arms room in the early 80s. Connie Rodd sure changed her looks over the years (for fans of PS magazine).

+1! I saw the comic book manuals when I was in in the early 70s, but got this copy from the SP (ANG/RESERVE) armsroom I was in in the late 70s. I had some PM magazines kicking around for a number of years. Don't know what happened to them.

tiger222
05-22-2011, 6:41 PM
Nice 603, I was out shooting my '16A1 clone the other day, it just too much fun, and LIGHT. Love that thing.
There is something oddly rewarding and fascinating to watch the condensation "smoke" come out of the triangular
handguards on a cool wet morning......

cmace22
05-22-2011, 6:47 PM
Really nice 603.

Id like to do one myself someday.

imarangemaster
05-22-2011, 6:55 PM
The barrel and upper are late for a mid-60s vintage XM16E1, but it is such a great shooter, I have no intention of trying to get a correct non-chrome 1/12 with a cast FSB. The slabside lower should be a partial fence, but I really like the 601/602/SP1 "slab side" better! With the chrome M16 BCG, I call it my "early, transitional XM16E1!" It is light, at about 6 pounds, but full length barrel getting 3300+ FPS with IMI M-193.

cmace22
05-22-2011, 7:12 PM
The barrel and upper are late for a mid-60s vintage XM16E1, but it is such a great shooter, I have no intention of trying to get a correct non-chrome 1/12 with a cast FSB. The slabside lower should be a partial fence, but I really like the 601/602/SP1 "slab side" better! With the chrome M16 BCG, I call it my "early, transitional XM16E1!" It is light, at about 6 pounds, but full length barrel getting 3300+ FPS with IMI M-193.

Where would I begin to look for parts for a similar build?

imarangemaster
05-22-2011, 7:27 PM
Join AR15.com retro forum at: <http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=3&f=123>. There is a great depth of knowledge there. The "Equipment Exchange on that forum is a great source. Gunbroker has lots of stuff. Typical search words would be "retro Colt" "SP1" "M16A1" "triangular hand guards" Also <http://www.retroblackrifle.com/> is a good resource. Nodak Spud sells the different retro lowers $120 to $150, and even M16A1 upper receivers.

We call it "BRD" or "Black Rifle Disease". The book Black Rifle is a great bible, too.

Good luck. It gets a lot more oooohs and aaaahs than an M4gery at the range!

cmace22
05-22-2011, 7:38 PM
Join AR15.com retro forum at: <http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=3&f=123>. There is a great depth of knowledge there. The "Equipment Exchange on that forum is a great source. Gunbroker has lots of stuff. Typical search words would be "retro Colt" "SP1" "M16A1" "triangular hand guards" Also <http://www.retroblackrifle.com/> is a good resource. Nodak Spud sells the different retro lowers $120 to $150, and even M16A1 upper receivers.

We call it "BRD" or "Black Rifle Disease". The book Black Rifle is a great bible, too.

Good luck. It gets a lot more oooohs and aaaahs than an M4gery at the range!

I drool every time I see one. The first one I ever shot was an AR-15 with the triangle HG. I was so young Im not sure what mode it was. Ive been eying this kit. Probably not correct for your style of build though.

http://whatacountry.com/m16a1-parts-kit.aspx