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TonyNorCal
12-06-2006, 8:00 PM
What guns do you wish they'd make? And, I mean within the realm of reason and possibility;) .

For the life of me I can't understand who Ruger doesn't make a .45 version of their PC carbine. It comes in 9mm and .40...and seems plenty solid enough for .45. I think it would be a great seller. They could offer it in a compatible mag format with their P345.

Speaking of Ruger...how about a few tweaks to the mini to make it a more accurate platform. They could take a cue from the boys over on Perfect Union. If they'd just fatten the barrel up a bit and make a few other minor mods they might have a fairly accurate platform. And then start producing factory 10 and 20 round mags for wide distribution. They could really have a hot seller. I've also seen plans for a .308 mini. Why not?

fal_762x51
12-06-2006, 8:14 PM
Because a Mini .308 is the M14.

TonyNorCal
12-06-2006, 8:17 PM
Mini is a bit different. It's not an exact clone of the M-14.

This is what I was referring to....

http://perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=38911

jumbopanda
12-06-2006, 8:17 PM
Indeed. The Mini is basically a scaled-down M14

leelaw
12-06-2006, 8:19 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M41A_pulse_rifle

NeoWeird
12-06-2006, 8:34 PM
I've always wondered why they haven't made a belt fed .308 AR upper that ejects through the magazine well. It sure would solve the problem of not enough .308 rifles (which are even high priced and hard to find good ones in free America).

wilit
12-06-2006, 8:40 PM
I've always wondered why they haven't made a belt fed .308 AR upper that ejects through the magazine well. It sure would solve the problem of not enough .308 rifles (which are even high priced and hard to find good ones in free America).

Doesn't eject through the magwell, but it's a .308 belt-fed upper of sorts. :D
http://www.brpguns.com/xmg.htm

http://www.wilit.com/web/xmgupper.jpg

PanzerAce
12-06-2006, 8:42 PM
I've always wondered why they haven't made a belt fed .308 AR upper that ejects through the magazine well. It sure would solve the problem of not enough .308 rifles (which are even high priced and hard to find good ones in free America).

http://www.shottist.com/beltfed.html

scroll all the way to the bottom :D

Fjold
12-06-2006, 8:42 PM
A left handed Winchester M70 in 404 Jeffrey

Of course, no M70's are being built since USRAC closed down the plant in New haven.

NeoWeird
12-06-2006, 8:55 PM
http://www.shottist.com/beltfed.html

scroll all the way to the bottom :D

I was under the impression that that particular webpage was a joke.


And Wilit, I thought that was an 8mm upper that used MG42 front ends. Do they make one in .308 also?

chickenfried
12-06-2006, 9:00 PM
M14 clone in .223











:p :p

Addax
12-06-2006, 9:06 PM
Rob Arms M96 in 7.62 Nato (.308) with a 20" removable barrel with optional top mag feed option, using a M1A 20 round box magazine....

slick_711
12-06-2006, 9:11 PM
Some of those ideas would be cool, but I call BS on most/all of that "belt-fed" website...

belt-fed 1911? how would that even work? And that looks to be just an AR-15 with a belt of .308 threaded through the ejection port. I can make that in my closet right now... it won't do ****, but it will look just like those pictures. The Leupold Mark 4 on the AR just tells me even more that its a fake, wtf would you put a $900 CQC scope designed for .223 on a belt fed .308 rifle.

As to the Mini-14 in .308, although I don't doubt Ruger may do it, I doubt (and hope) it wouldn't sell well. There are some differences but the Mini 14 was designed off the M1A/M14, so for Ruger to make a less accurate & less-reliable version in the same caliber doesn't strike me as progress. Forgive me for not being more open to that type of thing, I don't mean to snuff out peoples ideas :(

As to factory 10/20 rd magazines for the Mini 14... Bill Ruger was an integral part in the national hi-cap ban's acceptance, and has himself stated on many occasions that civilians don't need more than 5 rounds in a rifle.

ivanimal
12-06-2006, 9:12 PM
A left handed Winchester M70 in 404 Jeffrey

Of course, no M70's are being built since USRAC closed down the plant in New haven.


Newsflash! Fjold is not recoil sensitive!:D


Lever action, curved grip 338 Federal.

wilit
12-06-2006, 9:18 PM
I was under the impression that that particular webpage was a joke.


And Wilit, I thought that was an 8mm upper that used MG42 front ends. Do they make one in .308 also?

Yep. They make both 8mm and .308. Scroll about halfway down on the link above the picture, there's a link to a video of it shooting FA chambered in .308. For $4200 though, I'm not entirely sure it's worth it. :eek:

FatKatMatt
12-06-2006, 9:25 PM
An M14 type gun in big magnum calibers (.375, .458, .300, etc etc), detachable mags, and just as accurate.

That is really all I can think of

Matt C
12-06-2006, 9:37 PM
I have one, how about if armalite would $#@&^%$ make a *$#$%$% ar-10 lower with a ca legal @#%$#$% rollmark. Or license the tech out to someone who would. Also, an ar-10 chambered in .338 win mag would be nice, with a bull barrel config.

Q
12-06-2006, 9:43 PM
true sig or usa made 550
brugger and thomet or usa made mp9

more realistic:
ca versions of
ar-10
ar-180

Mr.RoDiN
12-06-2006, 10:27 PM
I know a few people already mentioned it, but I would def be willing to pay up to 1800 dollars for a socomII in .223. One feature I would like it to have is the capability of accepting ar mags. The main reason I havn't bought a socom is, I can't afford to plink 308. I do have a loaded model.

DedEye
12-06-2006, 10:40 PM
I second the vote for the M41 pulse rifle

Sutcliffe
12-06-2006, 10:41 PM
Short action, lightweight, easy to shoot and accurate. Why doesn't the public want it?

That and more 6.5 x55 offered by american manufacturers.

slick_711
12-06-2006, 10:46 PM
Just out of curiosity why do people want a SOCOM II in .223 or a Mini-14 in .308? I could see an economical reason for either but I guess because there are other platforms on the market that meet those two roles I don't personally see the need. Is it just love for your particular brand/stock contour that makes you wish for the counterpart? Or the design differences? Just looking to understand you guys' reasoning, not trying to pick on it.

CalNRA
12-06-2006, 10:50 PM
a conventionally stocked 45ACP carbine!!!

PanzerAce
12-06-2006, 11:09 PM
Short action, lightweight, easy to shoot and accurate. Why doesn't the public want it?

That and more 6.5 x55 offered by american manufacturers.

I know they make 6.5G in bolt guns, but I seem to have lost the link for it. I remember reading about one guy that was using 90gr bullets at PSIs that would destroy AR parts.

Pryde
12-06-2006, 11:19 PM
A high quality AR-180
Seriously, the design IMO is far superior to the AR15 and its cheaper to make....

Hitman
12-06-2006, 11:24 PM
I second the vote for the M41 pulse rifle

Sorry guys I will have to go as the 3rd vote for an M41 Pulse Rifle.:D

Vigilante
12-06-2006, 11:27 PM
more 6.5 x55 offered by american manufacturers.
I'll second that. I'll also second the idea of the Ruger police carbine in .45 acp.

Tweak338
12-06-2006, 11:27 PM
Civillian Legal Flame Thrower..

idk how it would be legal but it would be a cool thing
Guess i can always take apart that old gas dryer and strap a tank to my back..

PanzerAce
12-06-2006, 11:29 PM
A high quality AR-180
Seriously, the design IMO is far superior to the AR15 and its cheaper to make....

more info on the 180? I keep hearing about it, but never have gotten any solid info about it.

Toolbox X
12-06-2006, 11:38 PM
I have one, how about if armalite would $#@&^%$ make a *$#$%$% ar-10 lower with a ca legal @#%$#$% rollmark. Or license the tech out to someone who would. Also, an ar-10 chambered in .338 win mag would be nice, with a bull barrel config.

Ask and you shall receive. Sort of.
http://www.cobb50.com/06darkearth.JPG

http://www.cobb50.com/mcr.htm

If you ever wanted an AR that shoots .30-06, .308, 338 Federal, 8MM, 338-06, 25-06, 270 Winchester, and 280 Remington, well here you go. However I hope you are independantly wealthy.

They make one for .338 Lapua as well.

Tweak338
12-06-2006, 11:40 PM
more info on the 180? I keep hearing about it, but never have gotten any solid info about it.


here you go

http://www.armalite.com/sales/catalog/rifles/ar180b.htm

Spiggy
12-07-2006, 12:03 AM
Sorry guys I will have to go as the 3rd vote for an M41 Pulse Rifle.:D
I'll one-uppy your M41A with a MORITA!
http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/projects/morita/photos/image30.jpg
-Aint too bad lookin', it's basically a mini-14 in a muzzlelite bulpup stock with an ithica shotgun strapped to it.

Socal858
12-07-2006, 12:09 AM
more rifles that you can make fixed-mag and load through the top liek a FAL

DedEye
12-07-2006, 12:36 AM
I'll one-uppy your M41A with a MORITA!
http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/projects/morita/photos/image30.jpg
-Aint too bad lookin', it's basically a mini-14 in a muzzlelite bulpup stock with an ithica shotgun strapped to it.

Not bad, but what you post is basically just a .308 and a 12guage compared to a 10mm rifle with a 30mm pump action grenade launcher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M41A_%22Pulse_Rifle%22).

CalNRA
12-07-2006, 12:36 AM
more info on the 180? I keep hearing about it, but never have gotten any solid info about it.
http://www.ar-180.com/

radioactivelego
12-07-2006, 1:23 AM
Four barreled elephant guns. We need more than a handful of blackpowder ones from the olden days.

five.five-six
12-07-2006, 2:57 AM
I know a few people already mentioned it, but I would def be willing to pay up to 1800 dollars for a socomII in .223. One feature I would like it to have is the capability of accepting ar mags. The main reason I havn't bought a socom is, I can't afford to plink 308. I do have a loaded model.


sure you can it is caled surpluss

DedEye
12-07-2006, 10:00 AM
Four barreled elephant guns. We need more than a handful of blackpowder ones from the olden days.

That actually reminds me of another gun I'd like to see.
A pump action double barrel shotgun.

Toolbox X
12-07-2006, 10:53 AM
That actually reminds me of another gun I'd like to see.
A pump action double barrel shotgun.

That's called a 10-guage ;)

VeryCoolCat
12-07-2006, 10:56 AM
Why not more guns that can use stripper clips.

Or any gun w/o a detachable magazine that is easy to reload.

luvtolean
12-07-2006, 10:59 AM
The gun I want is the Cobb in .30-06.

SemiAutoSam
12-07-2006, 11:30 AM
I'm assuming since Ive seen all of the belt fed weapons we are talking outside of the legal realm so here goes.

I'm sure most of you are not familiar with the EX34 chain gun chambered in .308?

I would like to see a vehicle mountable EX34 in .223.

http://www.defenseonline.com.cn/weapon/qwq/jiq/Jiq00032.JPG

I will look for a pic I only have one that I used for an avatar and its very small.

Solidsnake87
12-07-2006, 11:52 AM
I've heard rumors of a Cali AUG. I would personnally love to see a Cali FAMAS. A CA O.K. version of the .45acp MK.23 Socom pistol would be nice too!

ARRRR-15
12-07-2006, 12:19 PM
Pump action minigun. Maybe in .22 or any other round that could be tube fed.

Would it be legal to have a 10 round tube for each barrel? If you could consider each barrel it's own rifle somehow. Then, is it legal to have mutiple firearms attached to each other?

pc_city
12-07-2006, 12:19 PM
Bolt action Grendels
Short action, lightweight, easy to shoot and accurate. Why doesn't the public want it?

That and more 6.5 x55 offered by american manufacturers.


http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976778914.htm

bwiese
12-07-2006, 12:31 PM
Hmm... guns and related items:



yes, a Ruger PC45 carbine - that is, a PC9/PC40 chambered in 45ACP;


Springfield Armory SOCOM variants that have chrome-lined bbls & milspec parts;


regular non-freaky/non-PerfCenter S&W 627, 4" bbl, 38/357, unfluted cylinder. (I can
prob live with the new 327 TRR8 or 327 M&P, though).


4" Ruger Bisley stainless Super Blackhawk 44Mag so I don't have to build my 'Bishawk' conversion;


bring back the 10mm S&W 10xx autoloaders;


more chrome-lined barrels on more rifles, with some 223s having Wylde chambers;


shimmable or fixed-adjusted intermediate Picatinny rail 'transition device' allowing severe
windage/elevation compensation without shimming sturdy scope rings...



Blackstar Rifles will be going a long way toward getting a quality CA-legal 223 semiauto. But that is
ongoing & developing so it's no longer a wish-list item...

The Beretta RX4 may have a chance too, dunno about importation issues...

Cpl_Peters
12-07-2006, 12:33 PM
m41 pulse rifle is a definate must for anybody serious about home protection.

pc_city
12-07-2006, 12:59 PM
shimmable or fixed-adjusted intermediate Picatinny rail 'transition device' allowing severe
windage/elevation compensation without shimming sturdy scope rings...



Bill,
Do you mean something like the F.A.E. rail?
http://www.usoptics.com/pdf_files/bases&rings.pdf

The Soup Nazi
12-07-2006, 1:05 PM
Glock 7. :D (Die Hard 2 reference)

bwiese
12-07-2006, 1:16 PM
Bill,
Do you mean something like the F.A.E. rail?
http://www.usoptics.com/pdf_files/bases&rings.pdf

Not quite what I want but may do.

tiger222
12-07-2006, 1:16 PM
another vote for a really good AR180 and also an AR16 (7.62mm version of the AR180).

I'd really swoon for a LSW ~ the long barrel version of the SA80

and a WA2000 :) in 300WM please!

blacklisted
12-07-2006, 1:28 PM
I want an Armalite AR-10 compatible lower that does not say AR-10 on it (besides the Hesse).

mltrading
12-07-2006, 1:58 PM
I'll one-uppy your M41A with a MORITA!
http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/projects/morita/photos/image30.jpg
-Aint too bad lookin', it's basically a mini-14 in a muzzlelite bulpup stock with an ithica shotgun strapped to it.

Uhmmm.... the old-fashion Starship Troopers. This one is good. Good for killing bugs!!! I like this movie. There's even part 2 of this movie. I think it's never played on big screens.

Anyway, I truly expect a highly-modulized weapon system.

For example, the basic gun is a manual rifle. Then a semi-auto or a full-auto module is available. Just snap it somewhere on the rifle, it becomes semi-auto or full-auto.

Or just something like CCU (Carbine Conversion Unit) for pistols. The basic gun is a small pistol. After adding proper modules (such as caliber conversion, power pack...etc), it could become light rifle, long-range rifle or even anti-armour weapon.

Sounds like SF, eh?:D

chickenfried
12-07-2006, 2:00 PM
I was just joking when I said a m14 clone in .223. But what about a .22 lr m14 clone ?

Pokey
12-07-2006, 2:31 PM
A belt fed .22 that doesnt cost 2-3K.

Rumpled
12-07-2006, 3:09 PM
I think that FN should make a slimmer, 10 round sub compact 5.7 USG pistol.
Super lightweight CCW piece.

gose
12-07-2006, 3:45 PM
I'd really love to see a double-stack 210.

It is rumored that a very few prototypes exist, but I have never seen a pic of one, much less seen one for real.

But since not even the single-stack 210 is produced anymore, I doubt there will ever be a double-stack 210 again :'(

jumbopanda
12-07-2006, 3:52 PM
I wish Lichtenburg Research would make a complete 9mm AK conversion kit with CA legal 10 round mags.

grammaton76
12-07-2006, 4:34 PM
0. Movie stuff, of course
0a. Obligatory... M41A.
0b. The micro mini guns from Deep Rising. You know, the Calicos that were dressed up with rotating barrels and a "thousand round capacity"... :)

1. AR uppers:
1a: 9mm AR upper that's somehow magically flexible enough to use a variety of magblocks, for unmodified full cap mags. I've got Sten mags, for sure.
1b. In the same spirit, an MGI offering for my Thompson stick mags, as I imagine they wouldn't fit into an AR magwell. :D

2. A not-too-expensive off-list Thompson, as my girlfriend will never let me rest about a tommy gun.

3. A readily-available-to-CWS FS2000 in factory black. :D

Pryde
12-07-2006, 4:43 PM
The current "AR-180B" is a low quality rifle made with a polymer receiver.

If a company out there stepped up and made an AR-18 clone with a high quality receiver able to take certain AR parts they would probably make a fortune. The ar-18 is a terrific design but it has never really gotten much attention.

Q
12-07-2006, 5:04 PM
The current "AR-180B" is a low quality rifle made with a polymer receiver.

If a company out there stepped up and made an AR-18 clone with a high quality receiver able to take certain AR parts they would probably make a fortune. The ar-18 is a terrific design but it has never really gotten much attention.

armalite is a powerful company! no one wants to make a armalite clone(lawsuit). i hope they or someone will make a rerolled ar-10 and a ar-180.

here is the ar18 clone with ar parts. http://www.vulcanarmament.com/cgistore/store.cgi?page=/new/product.html&setup=1&ida=228&idp=0&his=0&cart_id=3006896.2688
i wonder how many they sell? they should have used sterling armalite furniture. instead of the fal stuff.:confused:

five.five-six
12-09-2006, 2:24 PM
M14 clone in .223













:p :p

bill ruger's mini-14, they also have one in 7.63 X 39... I it is called a mini-30

NRAhighpowershooter
12-09-2006, 2:27 PM
a 22lr mini-gun!!!!!! THAT would be SOO awesome!!!! I know there are smaller versions of the 1919 scaled down and fire 22lr.. but a 22lr mini-gun would be sooooooo cool!! :D

M. Sage
12-09-2006, 3:01 PM
I know it's gonna sound wierd, but...

A 7.62x25 semi-auto carbine... one that's not a PPSh or other sub-gun-based rifle. Maybe a Ruger PC30? :D

chickenfried
12-09-2006, 9:54 PM
Well I was joking. But to me the mini 14 is not a m14 clone in .223.

bill ruger's mini-14, they also have one in 7.63 X 39... I it is called a mini-30

dragonbait1a
12-11-2006, 1:17 AM
A few of the ideas that I'm willing to release in the obscure hope that someone might make them.

Lever action rifles and carbines in the new S&W calibers, hopefully able to accept the shorter cartridges too, in detail:

500 Mag with 50 Special capacity
460 Mag (leverlution tips) with the capacity to use 454 Casull and 45 Colt

a 460 Mag revolver that also accepts 45 ACP/45AR without moonclips

A 357 Mag Revolver with the Medusa cylinder (accepting almost all 9mm/.357 ammo)

A line of "Carbine" ammo based on the S&W Magnums but redesigned for autoloading rifles. (ie rimless)
M1 carbine-styled rifle for the above.

Pump action carbine accepting standard pistol mags and shotgun buttstocks (That way the manufacture cold market it as a "target and hunting" gun and we could "Tactcool" them up with existing parts.) Mags being 1911, Hipower mags, Glock etc. As pump action the AW law wouldnt apply. it'd be nice if they could swich caliber but not crucical. Retail: <$400ish

A line of semiauto rifles and carbines that use said shotgun buttstock for said purpose. Various calibers, using most popular mag for the caliber (223=AR mag etc) Retail: <$1,000 (targeting $700) Now for us it's an option but we couldn't "tacticool" them without doing the fixed mag thing. The idea is that it'd be available in the free states too.

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dhl
12-11-2006, 6:32 PM
I wish the AR-7 was better made. As someone posted in a forum years ago, 'I'd pay twice as much for a better made AR-7'. The concept is very good but the AR-7s I've seen have cheap quality parts.

50bmgshooter
12-13-2006, 3:33 AM
I want an Armalite AR-10 compatible lower that does not say AR-10 on it (besides the Hesse).

Well have you seen these cobb rifles that take HK91/G3 mags
www.cobb50.com

WolfMansDad
12-13-2006, 10:09 AM
1. Ruger gold label with two triggers. Why put one trigger on a side-by-side shotgun? Defeats the whole purpose. If they came with two triggers, I would have bought one already.

2. Accurate mini-14 and plenty of factory 10-round magazines. The 2005 version does have some improvements -- AR-sytle sights, a longer stock, and a barrel that is supposed to be more accurate -- but I had such a bad experience with the older version, I'm "gun shy" about the whole line now. The mini is a great concept, IMHO, just badly implemented.