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Mud
12-06-2006, 1:24 PM
After see'ing the U-15 Popularity, I thought of re-visiting my old Grip alternative idea.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=30887

This Grip put the Web of the Hand way above the top of the trigger and still gives a Grip look to it. Just wanted some feedback from everyone to see what they think (Like or Dislike), what they would change or if they would put one on their rifle. The Clear Plastic obviously would be black, even though at first glance it looks like no grip installed. This will not be related to the BSR-15, just something I did back in February.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a149/6ppc/Dec0617.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a149/6ppc/Dec0619.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a149/6ppc/Dec0618.jpg

arguy15
12-06-2006, 1:49 PM
Looks like it would be hard to hold.

50 Freak
12-06-2006, 1:51 PM
Mud...Mud...Mud....

Always using your spare time coming up with devious little AW related items.

:D :D

Mud
12-06-2006, 2:10 PM
Mud...Mud...Mud....

Always using your spare time coming up with devious little AW related items.

:D :D

This actually came out of the Discarded Ideas Pile, I have a bunch of scrap Plastic and Metal that has made its way in there.:D I'm contemplating making one out of Coco Bolo and seeing how it turns out.

50 Freak
12-06-2006, 2:15 PM
I think we should make pistol grips out of Ice. That way we can really enjoy shooting an AR the way it was meant to be shot PLUS with a PG, we never have to reload.

And lastly it will never go to court as the evidence of us breaking any State AW laws will just melt away.....:D :D

No evidence, no case.

Guess this is why I'm not a lawyer...

arguy15
12-06-2006, 2:16 PM
It would be helpful to see a picture of it being held.

gose
12-06-2006, 2:24 PM
Not very different from the Monsterman grip, but looks a bit more conservative.
Sign me up for one.

PanzerAce
12-06-2006, 3:01 PM
I like the look of it, but I would recomend extending something upward toward the butstock, looks like it could pinch *shrugs*.

Joe
12-06-2006, 3:13 PM
Remember, the buttstock cannot be collapsable.

M14Gunman
12-06-2006, 3:20 PM
I think it would still meet the definitions of a pistol grip. Remember, you must no be able to put your thumb on one side and the web of your hand on the other.

TMC
12-06-2006, 4:48 PM
I think it would still meet the definitions of a pistol grip. Remember, you must no be able to put your thumb on one side and the web of your hand on the other.

Are you sure that's right? if so how does the U-15 stock say "legal" meaning meeting the definition as folks here see it.

I thought the law read the web of the hand above the top of the trigger, it doesn't say not on both sides. I would think if the web of the hand reading is correct then you could lower the back of the grip allot, almost down to the top of the trigger opening and make holding it easier.

M14Gunman
12-06-2006, 5:06 PM
Are you sure that's right? if so how does the U-15 stock say "legal" meaning meeting the definition as folks here see it.

I thought the law read the web of the hand above the top of the trigger, it doesn't say not on both sides. I would think if the web of the hand reading is correct then you could lower the back of the grip allot, almost down to the top of the trigger opening and make holding it easier.

No, I am not sure thatís right... :) I THINK it would... the U-15 stock is not a grip; itís a stock because the part you are holding on to is the part that makes contact with your shoulder. One could argue that your plastic invention is a grip and the stock is that part above it that contains the buffer tube...

I'm sure if you asked the DOJ they would inform you of the 58 district attorneys....

50 Freak
12-06-2006, 5:18 PM
I don't believe it would be considered a PG, as by DOJ definition...a PG "protrudes conspicuously (sp?) below the trigger". This grip does not and hence is not a PG by the letter of the DOJ's interpretation.

luvtolean
12-06-2006, 5:20 PM
So, the idea is to use a pinned stock?

I like your idea BTW...

E Pluribus Unum
12-06-2006, 5:24 PM
Fab-10 has a similar grip on their web page about half way down they say is DOJ approved. I cannot imagine that it would be approved and yours would not be but one never knows with the DOJ.

http://www.fabten.com/

Dont Tread on Me
12-06-2006, 5:52 PM
Mud was kind enough to give me one earlier this year. You have to work on your grip strength a little but I enjoy shooting my rifle with it. I also added skateboard tape which really helps with the grip.

http://images5.pictiger.com/thumbs/ef/93a99d0ce98a9734393fe37093c512ef.th.jpg (http://server5.pictiger.com/img/765621/picture-hosting/grip.php)

http://images5.pictiger.com/thumbs/78/3613d5d8c316910b8aab8290f0e58078.th.jpg (http://server5.pictiger.com/img/765622/picture-hosting/grip-in-hand.php)

I'm still counting the days until BlackStar starts selling!

PS - that is not a adjustable stock. It's the fixed RRA CAR look a like.

Mud
12-08-2006, 7:21 PM
Someone asked for some photos of it being held, here is the best I could do. As for the stock, it's not pinned yet so I have been using a Closed Magwell Lower (Last Pic).

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a149/6ppc/Picture_1014.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a149/6ppc/Picture_1013.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a149/6ppc/Picture_1012.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a149/6ppc/Picture_1011.jpg

hoffmang
12-08-2006, 7:39 PM
This is most comparable to the Barrett hook grip which is actually DOJ approved.

-Gene

thmpr
12-08-2006, 11:16 PM
Hey Mud,
I perfer your design than the MM grip since it looks comfortable. Are you planning on selling a few but in black?


Thanks!

RANGER295
12-09-2006, 11:57 AM
Fab-10 has a similar grip on their web page about half way down they say is DOJ approved. I cannot imagine that it would be approved and yours would not be but one never knows with the DOJ.

http://www.fabten.com/
They say that it is ďATFĒ approved and the comments that they make about adding a colapable stock, FH, or bayo lug make me pretty sure they are talking about the now expired Clinton AW ban. That or they really donít understand the CA law. The federal ban was two evil features, here it is one.

bwiese
12-09-2006, 1:04 PM
Mud,

Don't waste your time on this smaller stuff. MonsterMan grip and U15 stock have this arena pretty much decently covered.

You should be concentrating on getting Blackstar up & running in full swing and do exhaustive testing/debugging of various uppers (carbine, rifle) & brands of ammo (Fed XM193 down to Royal Ordnance SS109 crap) with your system.

You should be working on 308 Blackstar AR10 design as well (f*ck DPMS, RRA - be Armalite compatible).

CalNRA
12-09-2006, 1:06 PM
What Bill said.

Mud,

Don't waste your time on this smaller stuff. MonsterMan grip and U15 stock have this arena pretty much decently covered.

You should be concentrating on getting Blackstar up & running in full swing and do exhaustive testing/debugging of various uppers (carbine, rifle) & brands of ammo (Fed XM193 down to Royal Ordnance SS109 crap) with your system.

You should be working on 308 Blackstar AR10 design as well (f*ck DPMS, RRA - be Armalite compatible).

pacificcoast
12-09-2006, 5:44 PM
i like the design. unlike the MM grip, this allows for the placement of your thumb, and a much more natural and controllable grip. i think you should produce and sell them, i'd buy one.

permanent_45
12-13-2006, 2:38 PM
My ? is this. The Pics show this with a Tele stock. If you have the Tele you should have a fixed mag, and if you have a fixed mag you should be able to have a pistol grip right? I dont see how this would work with a standard A2 stock.

blkA4alb
12-13-2006, 2:39 PM
My ? is this. The Pics show this with a Tele stock. If you have the Tele you should have a fixed mag, and if you have a fixed mag you should be able to have a pistol grip right? I dont see how this would work with a standard A2 stock.
You could use a fixed collapsable stock like they made during the '94-'04 AWB.

permanent_45
12-13-2006, 2:41 PM
I see. Thanks

ARRRR-15
11-14-2007, 9:31 AM
Were any of these grips produced? They are legal because the web of the hand sits above the top of the exposed trigger, correct?

elenius
11-14-2007, 10:59 AM
It looks like it is possible to put the web of your hand below the top of exposed part of the trigger. Perhaps you should curve the back of the grip up a bit. Looks like that would also make for a more secure grip. Another thing to look out for would be to make sure they don't consider this a thumbhole stock. I don't know what the legal definiton of that is.

RideIcon
11-15-2007, 12:40 AM
I think it would still meet the definitions of a pistol grip. Remember, you must no be able to put your thumb on one side and the web of your hand on the other.

wouldn't any stock besides a monster grip fit this?