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Maximusmax51
05-20-2011, 5:04 PM
Pretty simple, just need a basic reliability review and how they stack up to the usual battle 7.62X51 rifles.

A good friend in one of our free states has a chance, or so he says, to pick one up. So it would be nice to throw him some good solid info on the rifle.

Thanks

X-NewYawker
05-20-2011, 5:16 PM
G3 is a battle rifle. Does he mean an HK 91?

X-NewYawker
05-20-2011, 5:17 PM
BTW -- my first 308 and I miss it.

brando
05-20-2011, 5:54 PM
Generally shoots 1MOA, reliable and well made for a stamped rifle. I came to dislike the trigger/safety over time though.

i<3HK
05-20-2011, 6:11 PM
Generally shoots 1MOA, reliable and well made for a stamped rifle. I came to dislike the trigger/safety over time though.

:iagree:

I changed my trigger group to the H&K PSG-1 trigger group, and to me it's a "Poor Man's" PSG-1 now :P

I love mine, it eats anything I throw at it, in the process of replacing the stock with the H&K PSG-1, overall great solid rifle, by far my favorite .308

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missiontrails
05-20-2011, 6:15 PM
That was my first .308............ Springfield SAR-8-------- Same rifle. That was a heavy rifle when loaded out with those 20 round box mags. Always reliable though.......... Wish I would have kept it.

tiger222
05-20-2011, 6:16 PM
G3 platform is flaw ridden and expensive to modify, yet oddly satisfying.
11E style clones are my favorite of the genre.

Maximusmax51
05-20-2011, 6:27 PM
So looks like a good buy for him then. What or how do you get them here? Bullet button?

i<3HK
05-20-2011, 6:28 PM
So looks like a good buy for him then. What or how do you get them here? Bullet button?

HK91 is banned by name in Cali, only the clones (PTR-91) etc are available.

CAL.BAR
05-20-2011, 6:41 PM
I have had for over 20 years an HK 93 (.223) version of the HK91. It is, without a doubt, the MOST reliable rifle I have ever seen. It has NEVER jammed. NEVER failed and has over 10K rounds through it. Only changed the fireing pin 1x. If your friend has the chance, I HIGHLY recommend it. .223 is much cheaper to feed, but get the .308 if you're shooting 300+ yards regularly.

FeuerFrei
05-20-2011, 6:45 PM
HK G3/PTR91/HK91 are basically the same rifle with G3 being a select fire rifle.
I own a PTR and it compares very well to the HK 91 I owned in 86.
I do like the reliability of the design and function has been as good as the original.
There are lots of German surplus stuff you can add on for a good price too.
Subjectively speaking, I like the Navy trigger group instead of the original finger grooved GI unit.
I have shot Aussie, DAG, Radway and Wolf in my rifle and all functioned well.
DAG and Radway seem to have the best accuracy in my rifle.

brando
05-20-2011, 6:55 PM
The fluted chamber definitely helps with reliability but this rifle also chews brass like you wouldn't believe - don't plan on reloading spent brass.

nitroxdiver
05-20-2011, 7:30 PM
I personally love them. Simple to field strip. Accurate. reliable. They are heavy though, and dont have bolt hold open on empty mag. Have him look into how to
Check bolt gap. Also, the HK military .22 conversion kit is incredible and if he can find a Hensoldt fero z-24 scope, have him snag it for sure. Amazing German glass for under 400$.

For you to get one here, you could get a ptr 91 and BB it. Ptr's are also fantastic clones.

CAL.BAR
05-20-2011, 7:59 PM
The fluted chamber definitely helps with reliability but this rifle also chews brass like you wouldn't believe - don't plan on reloading spent brass.

ABSOLUTELY! I don't shoot Wolf through it b/c I'm cheap. (oh wait - that's true too).

a1fabweld
05-20-2011, 8:16 PM
Contrary to what the masses say, I shoot my PTR & SAR regularly & I DO RELOAD MY BRASS. The dings mostly come out in the sizer die. They shoot fine once reloaded. There is also a $30 port buffer that can be snapped on which further reduces dinged cases. The HK91/93 is very reliable & accurate.

ClickClickBoom
05-20-2011, 8:41 PM
Had mine for 10k + rounds, heavy, ugly, and absolutely reliable. I still curse the CA DOJ.
Eric

shadowofnight
05-20-2011, 10:00 PM
I shot thousands upon thousands of rounds through my HK91, never had a single malfunction.

Every range trip , or outdoor shoot anywhere...that HK91 was with me ( I was in high school when I got it , and had an uncle that furnished me with ammo can after ammo can of free 7.62x51...so I shot it as much as my 22's )

I used to take our entire maintenance crew at work out on shoot's, everybody wanted to shoot the HK.

Maximusmax51
05-21-2011, 1:59 PM
many thanks for the good info!!! I think he's picking it up next week. I might look into one also... who knows.

CAL.BAR
05-21-2011, 2:03 PM
many thanks for the good info!!! I think he's picking it up next week. I might look into one also... who knows.

You can look into it, but you can't get one. HK 91 and 93 banned by name for 20 + years. But, you CAN get an SR9 (very similar) use the BB and 10 rd and you are good to go.

slomofo
05-21-2011, 2:50 PM
G3s are nice (G3, HK91, PTR, I don't care about your mall ninja Jargon, they're all G3s to me), only problems I've ever had with mine were the headspace. You can check the headspace by shoving a feeler gauge through the magwell to check clearance. If the gap is too small, you can add bigger rollers, no biggie, this will set you back a whopping $6.00 + a tube of lithium grease to lube it all up. A few people have had problems running steel cased .308 through 7.62x51 barrels because the fluting on the inside of the chamber will lock onto the casing and the extractor will rip the back end of the casing off, but I've never encountered this problem.

It's an all around great rifle, accuracy is pretty good, I'd guestimate it to be a 4-5MOA rifle, recoil is by far the lightest amongst all 308s I've ever fired, and the only things I've ever disliked about the rifles are the weight, LOP, and rear sight on the CETMEs. Those CETME paddle sights are really tough to see through because the LOP is so short. The weight isn't a huge factor, it weighs the same as a dozen other rifles, but I haul the crap through 10-15 miles through the desert/forest with all my other gear and I'd much rather have a rifle that weighs less.

a1fabweld
05-21-2011, 3:50 PM
4-5 MOA rifle? Maybe if the rifling is completely burned out. My PTR & SAR8 shoot 3 MOA with Siver Bear soft points through open sights.

MrPlink
05-21-2011, 8:01 PM
if we want to be technical about it, there are a few G3 marked semi auto only rifles that were sold commercially. Pretty rare. Not to mention, you can buy a de-mil parts kit stamped as a G3

bollero
05-22-2011, 5:52 AM
i might be selling a G3 parts kit/with original barrel maybe soon to fund another rifle...

Ford8N
05-22-2011, 8:33 AM
They are heavy for sure and no bolt hold open. But super reliable. :thumbsup:

sir9usr
05-25-2011, 9:12 PM
Loved my HK91 from B&B North Hollywood so much that I traded it - for an HKSR9. Its a great "modular" rifle in that you can change grips and stocks to suit whatever mission you needed it for. Ate anything I fed it and even I even wore out 2 alloy "throwaway" mags on the 91. I did shoot some tar sealed ammo that gummed the flutes once - but cleared up once i shot clean stuff. The SR9 is far more accurate with less recoil since it has a longer barrel. One thing though, the trunnion chamber area gets filthy and is a pain to clean - it's square-ish with lots of nooks and crannies so brushes arent always effective.