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motogunner356
05-19-2011, 4:01 PM
a buddy of mine is selling an original m16a1 he somehow got after his long service in the army.

i would love to get this as a collector piece and something to shoot across the border

i could easily modify it to semi and mag lock to make it legal but other than that should i go for it? do these rifles have problems with performance or reliability vs newer ar's?

docsmileyface
05-19-2011, 4:07 PM
once a machine gun, always a machine gun.

dieselpower
05-19-2011, 4:09 PM
You can buy it and register it out of CA, but you need a lawyer. You need to fill out a form 1 ATF to get a tax stamp.

dieselpower
05-19-2011, 4:09 PM
FYI its a $10,000 firearm.

rromeo
05-19-2011, 4:10 PM
IBTL.

This is a good one. M16 taken home after the Army service.

dieselpower
05-19-2011, 4:11 PM
why its NOT illegal .....yet...

tomd1584
05-19-2011, 4:15 PM
IBTL.

This is a good one. M16 taken home after the Army service.

+1 :popcorn:

motogunner356
05-19-2011, 4:19 PM
yeah it smells like another 'i was military' story but for how much hes asking im leaning in though the laws behind owning an auto are a big deter but thanks for the advice

PEBKAC
05-19-2011, 4:21 PM
M16A1s are fully automatic no?

I will assume he is out of state. I will also assume this is a FA weapon properly registered with the BATFE.

I am pretty sure if my above assumptions are correct, you cannot legally own it in CA unless you just buy the upper and the lower furniture/parts (minus any full auto fire control components), and put said bits into the new semi-auto lower (you may want to google "nodakspud", as they sell functional semi-auto replica lowers for 'Nam era AR pattern weapons).

There are also NFA trusts in which property not possess-able in CA can be stored out of state and usable by you when not in CA, however I do not know the details with regards to these, but this is the only way I can think of that one could legally "own" an FA weapon while still being a resident of CA. You will in all likelihood need a lawyer to do this, and in that vein you may wish to PM the calguns.net user "Oaklander" for details on trusts.

Now, if the weapon is not properly registered with the BATFE and/or said friend lives in CA and is not using a trust to possess said weapon or does not have permits issued by the CA DoJ permitting him to own the weapon in state, DO NOT MENTION OR EVEN HINT AT THAT POSSIBILITY on a public forum (ie, here, or really anywhere on the internet), and you will want to advise your friend to get a good lawyer. Quickly. There is no wrath like that of the BATFE swooping in on NFA violations which carry very serious consequences.

dieselpower
05-19-2011, 4:22 PM
It could be a Colt AR15A2 which is a M16A1 clone. Its not a full auto and maybe NOT even an AW...depending on the roll mark.

PEBKAC
05-19-2011, 4:27 PM
It could be a Colt AR15A2 which is a M16A1 clone. Its not a full auto and maybe NOT even an AW...depending on the roll mark.
The part that makes me doubt this is the "I could modify it to semi" bit...but who knows.

dieselpower
05-19-2011, 4:32 PM
the OP is taking the guys word that its an M16A1, and trying to figure a way to get it legally...so he was just tossing stuff out there.

I dont think the OP knows for sure what this is yet. Would need to see a roll mark and what the side of the lower looked like above the pistol grip. It may have a SEAR BLOCK...so seeing what appears to be a hole isnt an indication of select fire.

motogunner356
05-19-2011, 4:37 PM
im not sure what exactly it is yet as i haven't laid eyes on it and i plan on checking it out tomorrow and keepin fingers crossed it isnt an auto so i can use it

dieselpower
05-19-2011, 4:39 PM
im not sure what exactly it is yet as i haven't laid eyes on it and i plan on checking it out tomorrow and keepin fingers crossed it isnt an auto so i can use it

send me a pic of the roll mark if its an old one please... no matter what

http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu272/Wiringguy/coltarmalite.jpg

motogunner356
05-19-2011, 4:51 PM
no matter what? i assume the pic is of and original what were changes made to the mark

dieselpower
05-19-2011, 5:13 PM
That is a Colt ArmaLite AR15 Model 1. Its can be argued its NOT an AW. I do believe there was a batch of these in semi-auto configuration.

Just snap a pic of the lower's roll mark if you think its an old one or a rare one. Even if you know you can not buy it. There are some strange roll marks out there. Such as a Colt Sanchez, and some Philippine Roll marks that made it into the States. When someone says A1... I perk up. Dont know what you will find.

MrPlink
05-19-2011, 5:30 PM
any chance its just somebody throwing around the term M16 and its actually not FA?

I have lots of friends that do this, even ones who actually own guns (including AR15s)

cmace22
05-19-2011, 6:37 PM
Well if his friend is old enough isnt it possible its an M16A1.

Wasnt it legal, in some states at least, to own FA weapons prior to '86?

The A1 dates to pre 1980.

dieselpower
05-19-2011, 6:49 PM
Well if his friend is old enough isnt it possible its an M16A1.

Wasnt it legal, in some states at least, to own FA weapons prior to '86?

The A1 dates to pre 1980.

Yes. Very possible.

evidens83
05-19-2011, 6:51 PM
any chance its just somebody throwing around the term M16 and its actually not FA?

I have lots of friends that do this, even ones who actually own guns (including AR15s)

This. Most noobs around me throw M16 and M4 any time they see an AR lol.

cmace22
05-19-2011, 6:58 PM
Like PEBKAC said, it seems hisfriend may have stated its FA.

Damn Id get dual residency just to get it if is a legit, legal M16A1 for a buddy price of say sub 5K :D


The part that makes me doubt this is the "I could modify it to semi" bit...but who knows.

Milsurp Collector
05-19-2011, 7:00 PM
Wasnt it legal, in some states at least, to own FA weapons prior to '86?



It is still legal in several states to own fully automatic weapons.

3FBhidzOWpI

bohoki
05-19-2011, 7:00 PM
hmm why isnt there any maker who stamps a lower m-16 is that a registered trademark or something like "ar-15"

norinco had no problem stamping their guns ak-47 (till 1990)

cmace22
05-19-2011, 7:02 PM
It is still legal in several states to own fully automatic weapons.

3FBhidzOWpI

Yes I understand that.

I meant readily available to the public. You know walk in without walk out with.

Quiet
05-19-2011, 7:43 PM
Yes I understand that.

I meant readily available to the public. You know walk in without walk out with.

All Title 2 firearms require a tax stamp (BATFE approval).

Wait time for approval is between 2-32 weeks. Depends on your background and how backlog they are.

So, you can never purchase a Title 2 firearm and walk out with it in the same day. Been that way since 1934.

cmace22
05-19-2011, 7:47 PM
All Title 2 firearms require a tax stamp (BATFE approval).

Wait time for approval is between 2-32 weeks. Depends on your background and how backlog they are.

So, you can never purchase a Title 2 firearm and walk out with it in the same day. Been that way since 1934.


Got it

762.DEFENSE
05-19-2011, 7:50 PM
IBTL.

This is a good one. M16 taken home after the Army service.

I smell multiple felonies...

762.DEFENSE
05-19-2011, 7:52 PM
If you live in a free state this would be a lot easier for you to acquire a FA, but if you're in CA...keep dreaming. Youre also looking at a hefty purchase if it's all legal, and a good lawyer to go through ATF to fill out the proper paper work for that firearm.

pyromensch
05-19-2011, 9:00 PM
Well if his friend is old enough isnt it possible its an M16A1.

Wasnt it legal, in some states at least, to own FA weapons prior to '86?

The A1 dates to pre 1980.

and after the GCA of 68.

but i like the serial number 134

Colt-45
05-19-2011, 9:09 PM
This is an interesting thread.