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vincewarde
05-18-2011, 5:12 PM
I have been keeping a summary and timeline of this scandal, complete with links to news coverage. I thought you might find it useful, both for your own information and as a resource for those who are just learning about it. I will continue to update it several times per week. Please feel free to check it out!

Hillary, Eric, Wikileaks and the BATFE Scandal: An Overview and Timeline (http://reasonedpolitics.blogspot.com/2011/04/hillary-eric-wikileaks-and-batfe.html)

New Readers Should Follow The Link Above For The Whole Story

UPDATED September 18, 2012

September 18, 2012 - The Daily Caller: Pavlich: DOJ using Media Matters to cover up Fast and Furious (http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/18/pavlich-doj-using-media-matters-to-cover-up-fast-and-furious/)

September 18, 2012 - The Daily Caller: Emails reveal Justice Dept. regularly enlists Media Matters to spin press (http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/18/emails-reveal-justice-dept-regularly-enlists-media-matters-to-spin-press/)

September 18, 2012 - Human Events: 20 months later: Terry family still waits for answers (http://www.humanevents.com/2012/09/17/20-months-later-terry-family-still-waits-for-answers/)

September 18, 2012 - Terra.com: Family of slain Border Patrol agent calls for "accountability" (http://news.terra.com/family-of-slain-border-patrol-agent-calls-for-accountability,b722ba45dd6d9310VgnVCM10000098cceb0 aRCRD.html)

September 18, 2012 - Fox News: Has the DOJ been using Media Matters to spin the press? (http://video.foxnews.com/v/1846477652001/has-the-doj-been-using-media-matters-to-spin-the-press)

September 18, 2012 - Fox News: Did Media Matters, Justice Department cross legal lines? (http://video.foxnews.com/v/1847447195001/did-media-matters-justice-department-cross-legal-lines)

September 18, 2012 - Fox News: Emails show Justice working with Media Matters on stories that target critics (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/18/emails-show-justice-working-with-media-matters-to-target-critics/)

September 18, 2012 - World Net Daily: Emails: Justice 'collaborates' with Media Matters (http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/emails-justice-collaborates-with-media-matters/?cat_orig=us)

September 18, 2012 - Examiner.com: Emails reveal Department of Justice, Media Matters partners in spinning news (http://www.examiner.com/article/emails-reveal-department-of-justice-media-matters-partners-spinning-news)

September 17, 2012 - Orlando Sentinel: Family of slain border agent seeks answers (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/osvideo-ndn-family-of-slain-border-agent-seeks-answers-20120917,0,7183602.htmlstory)

September 17, 2012 - Newsmax.com: Walberg: We Still Want Answers on Fast and Furious (http://www.newsmax.com/US/walberg-holder-fast-furious/2012/09/13/id/451771)

September 17, 2012 - ticklethewire.com: Family of Slain Border Patrol Agent Speaks About Frustrations (http://www.ticklethewire.com/2012/09/17/family-of-slain-border-patrol-agent-speaks-about-frustrations/)

September 16, 2012 - News 4 Tucson: Terry family speaks of healing and justice (http://www.kvoa.com/news/terry-family-speaks-of-healing-and-justice/)

September 14, 2012 - American Thinker: Fast and Furious Embodies Corruption at Highest Levels (http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/09/fast_and_furious_embodies_corruption_at_highest_le vels.html)

September 11, 2012 - Fox News: New report faults ATF, DOJ for Fast and Furious (http://video.foxnews.com/v/1834378963001/new-report-faults-atf-doj-for-fast-and-furious)

September 11, 2012 - Fox News: EXCLUSIVE: Long-awaited 'Furious' report places blame on ATF, Justice (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/11/exclusive-long-awaited-furious-report-spreads-blame-across-agencies/)

September 11, 2012 - Fox News: 'Fast & Furious' report lays blame on field agents, Justice (http://video.foxnews.com/v/1834542835001/fast--furious-report-lays-blame-on-field-agents-justice)

September 11, 2012 - Fox News: Medellin Cartel Gets Fast and Furious Guns (http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/09/11/atf-fast-and-furious-guns-appear-in-colombia/)

September 11. 2012 - The Daily Caller: Long-awaited Fast and Furious report places blame on ATF, DOJ (http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/11/long-awaited-furious-report-places-blame-on-atf-justice)

September 11, 2012 - Politico: Report: IG rips DOJ on Fast and Furious (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81044.html)

September 11, 2012 - World Net Daily: 'Furious' report places blame on ATF, Justice (http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/furious-report-places-blame-on-atf-justice/?cat_orig=us)

September 11, 2012 - UPI: Report places blame for 'Fast & Furious' (http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/09/11/Report-places-blame-for-Fast-Furious/UPI-72231347399926/?spt=hs&or=tn)

September 11, 2012 - Main Justice: Fast and Furious IG Report Tears Into ATF, DOJ Supervisors (http://www.mainjustice.com/2012/09/11/fast-and-furious-ig-report-tears-into-atf-doj-supervisors/)

September 10, 2012 - The Hill: Oversight Chairman Issa forced to delay 'Fast and Furious' hearing (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/248545-issa-forced-to-delay-fast-and-furious-hearing)

September 10, 2012 - Arizona Daily Star: Fast and Furious hearing in D.C. is delayed a week (http://azstarnet.com/news/state-and-regional/fast-and-furious-hearing-in-d-c-is-delayed-a/article_58fba4f8-fbc0-11e1-be04-001a4bcf887a.html)

September 10, 2012 - Fox News: Issa pushes back Fast and Furious hearing for DOJ’s inspector general report to next week (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/10/issa-pushes-back-fast-and-furious-hearing-for-dojs-inspector-general-report-to/)

September 9, 2012 - Fox News: New hearing set on Fast & Furious scandal (http://video.foxnews.com/v/1830194630001/new-hearing-set-on-fast--furious-scandal)

September 9, 2012 - Arizona Daily Star: Fast & Furious: Who knew what? (http://azstarnet.com/news/local/border/fast-furious-who-knew-what/article_0b40958b-3762-5bf6-9f13-6b7d8fc6b713.html)

Southwest Chuck
05-18-2011, 5:47 PM
I have been keeping a summery and timeline of this scandal, complete with links to news coverage. I thought you might find it useful, both for your own information and as a resource for those who are just learning about it. I will continue to update it several times per week. Please feel free to check it out!

Hillary, Eric, Wikileaks and the BATFE Scandal: An Overview and Timeline (http://reasonedpolitics.blogspot.com/2011/04/hillary-eric-wikileaks-and-batfe.html)

Nice site. I posted a comment about it . The links are a good addition as documentation. Good job!

WatsonGravy
05-18-2011, 5:53 PM
Wow. Can't beleive John Stewart hasn't covered this yet. Maybe I missed it?

bigcalidave
05-18-2011, 6:07 PM
Thank you for the great timeline!

Dreaded Claymore
05-18-2011, 7:00 PM
Thank you, this is perfect. Before now I didn't have an understanding of exactly how Project Gunwalker went down, because I didn't pay attention at first. Your timeline has made everything clear and now I'm mad as hell. :mad:

GOEX FFF
05-18-2011, 7:34 PM
I have been keeping a summery and timeline of this scandal, complete with links to news coverage. I thought you might find it useful, both for your own information and as a resource for those who are just learning about it. I will continue to update it several times per week. Please feel free to check it out!

Hillary, Eric, Wikileaks and the BATFE Scandal: An Overview and Timeline (http://reasonedpolitics.blogspot.com/2011/04/hillary-eric-wikileaks-and-batfe.html)

You're Awesome Vince! Thanks for your time in doing this! :thumbsup:

vincewarde
05-18-2011, 7:42 PM
Thanks for the encouragement everyone! I will continue to update the timeline as needed to keep up with the story. I'll post something to this thread when something significant happens.

Please free to let other people know about this story and the timeline.

keneva
05-18-2011, 8:01 PM
Great. These dirt bags need to go!

Texas Boy
05-18-2011, 11:14 PM
Sent the site to friends and family. Great work Vince!

BTW - this is the sort of plot that makes "regular" folk roll their eyes and think we are delusional paranoid. In fact, without the links and references, I would have thought the same. I'm floored that this actually happened. Makes me wonder - if the Republican's controlled the Senate and there was proof Obama knew, might be grounds for impeachment.

Of course the bigger question is what impact will this have on gun control legislation and the ATF's powers?

fred40
05-18-2011, 11:34 PM
So if Hillary and Holder knew about this. Is it some type of conspiracy crime and will they be charged for them?

oni.dori
05-19-2011, 1:30 AM
Of course not, there are too many people, with TOO much power and their croanies involved in this. That's why nothing has happened yet.

winxp_man
05-19-2011, 1:36 AM
This ***** is some nasty stuff. Its like plutonium waiting to blow!!!!!!!! Thanks for the hard work Vince. I also post a comment. A+++



Aron-


I told you JFK wasn't shot by Lee :D its a cover up...................... seriously not trying to start anything!

vantec08
05-19-2011, 5:27 AM
excellent reference

badicedog
05-19-2011, 8:29 AM
Excellent work my Man!!!

mag360
05-19-2011, 9:29 AM
nice work, but it needs more momentum, it's just going to die on the vine after Grassley and Issa fail to make heads roll.

jonyg
05-19-2011, 9:47 AM
Thanks man!
I've had project gunrunner under my "find out what exactly is going on when I have more time to do the research" list for a long time. This made it real easy....and of course ticked me off about what was done...

Bigtime1
05-19-2011, 10:16 AM
Looking forward to the Eric Holder perp-walk in TWO MORE WEEKS!

vincewarde
05-19-2011, 1:02 PM
Sent the site to friends and family. Great work Vince!

BTW - this is the sort of plot that makes "regular" folk roll their eyes and think we are delusional paranoid. In fact, without the links and references, I would have thought the same. I'm floored that this actually happened. Makes me wonder - if the Republican's controlled the Senate and there was proof Obama knew, might be grounds for impeachment.

Of course the bigger question is what impact will this have on gun control legislation and the ATF's powers?

Impeachment is still possible IF evidence surfaces proving that Pres. Obama ordered or even knew about this and did nothing. Conviction may even be possible, given that Biden would become President. Remember that 80% of states are progun - and you do not have to be pro-2nd Amendment to be hopping mad about this.

As for gun control, if it becomes apparent that the motive was to justify gun control - and what else could it be - I think it will poison the waters for a very long time.

vincewarde
05-19-2011, 1:18 PM
nice work, but it needs more momentum, it's just going to die on the vine after Grassley and Issa fail to make heads roll.

Grassley and Issa are slowly and deliberately working there way up the chain of command. They have tons of documents and lots of cooperating agents. It appears that at this point they have evidence implicating Lanny Brewer (a direct subordinate of Eric Holder) as well as the acting head of BATFE. In addition, they may have evidence implicating the then White House Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel.

When they start holding hearings, the rest of the press will have to cover it. At best, it will be a huge embarrassment shortly before the election, at worst Obama could be impeached and convicted. It all depends upon how many people they can flip and how high this goes.

CRACKERJACK
05-19-2011, 9:13 PM
Very nice article. You can't break it down any easier then that.


And a little grammar correction action in the second to last paragraph: "The problem with do this is that it"

MP301
05-19-2011, 9:14 PM
I have been keeping a summary and timeline of this scandal, complete with links to news coverage. I thought you might find it useful, both for your own information and as a resource for those who are just learning about it. I will continue to update it several times per week. Please feel free to check it out!

Hillary, Eric, Wikileaks and the BATFE Scandal: An Overview and Timeline (http://reasonedpolitics.blogspot.com/2011/04/hillary-eric-wikileaks-and-batfe.html)

Nicely done Vince. You are now the official go to guy for stuff related to this...like it or not!

Colt-45
05-19-2011, 9:19 PM
Now that the 90% deal is known to be a hoaks, why hasn't the media made a big deal about this?

I'm sure this ATF allowing for guns to be smuggled into Mexico scheme was a lowsy attempt to restrict our gun rights.

N6ATF
05-19-2011, 10:20 PM
Grassley, not Grassly.

INJUNTOM
05-19-2011, 11:20 PM
So if Hillary and Holder knew about this. Is it some type of conspiracy crime and will they be charged for them?

One could only hope..

M. Sage
05-19-2011, 11:49 PM
Here's a piece of the puzzle. There's a little more leading up to this article (dated the day before the shootout that blew this thing up), but that's easy to find: http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/news/local/101213-gun-dealer-atf-approved-sales-to-mexican-gun-runners

The basics of it: ATF tells Carter's Country to sell to obvious traffickers. Not just Carter's, either. I know two people who worked in gun stores in Austin at this time period who called in about obviously suspicious sales (broken English, cash, multiple AR or AK or pistol purchase...) and were told that ATF was aware and to sell anyway (they didn't). Anyway, then the guns turn up in Mexico and ATF turns on Carter's, rumblings about them losing their FFL. Then Carter's lawyer comes out and says this, right before Gunrunner hits, and now the rumblings are gone.

That's an excellent article, and I agree with your conclusion that this wasn't done to trace criminal activity, but to increase the number of guns from US gun shops that show up in Mexico. Never let a crisis go to waste. No crisis? Create one.

Cali-Shooter
05-19-2011, 11:59 PM
Son of a B***h. Dismantle the BATFE.

Mute
05-20-2011, 8:22 AM
I also like how the Washington Post retracted their story about the FFL......oh wait, they didn't. Typical.

CessnaDriver
05-20-2011, 8:26 AM
"Given time, we will learn if the Obama administration not only lied in order to promote gun control, but effectively smuggled guns in order to turn their lies into truth – at the cost dozens of Mexican lives and at least one American life. All we have to do is wait. "

Cali-Shooter
05-20-2011, 8:31 AM
The cat is going to be let out of the bag by most, if not all of the major news broadcasters soon enough. I'm surprised the story even made huffpo.

vincewarde
05-22-2011, 7:16 PM
May 19, 2011 - CBS News reports (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20064443-10391695.html) that DEA agents recovered 50-60 AK-47s in a drug raid in Phoenix on April 13th. At least some of these firearms were part of "Operation Fast and Furious". The local CBS affiliate reports (http://www.kpho.com/news/27960138/detail.html) that DEA has refused to turn any of these rifles over to BATFE.

N6ATF
05-22-2011, 7:21 PM
HAHAHA go DEA! Now get them papered as evidence, and auction them off to CMP participants or something so ATF can't recycle or destroy them!

dilligaffrn
05-23-2011, 10:40 AM
Good job!

vincewarde
05-23-2011, 4:55 PM
May 22, 2011 - Fox News /William La Jeunesse has interviewed a Federal confidential informant. (http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/america-s-third-war-an-informant-s-story-uncut-video) He states the Following: Drug flow into the US is increasing. Cartels have corrupted federal agents from several agencies. In his opinion, corruption on the US side is worse then on the Mexican side - he cited "operation gunrunner" as an example. He believes that this corruption goes 'all the way to the top". He obtained the name and location of Boarder Patrol Agent Brian Terry's killer, he was told to "ignore that, other agencies are working on that, that information isn't necessary." He confirms the Wikileaks information that the cartels are receiving large amounts of weapons from Central America. Weapons are flowing in both directions. Not only are guns going into Mexico, but also military weapons that cannot be purchased legally in the US are flowing north.

vincewarde
05-24-2011, 11:35 AM
May 24, 2011 - World Net Daily, which was the first source outside the "gun media" to report the Gunwalker story, publishes an article (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=302609) entitled: "White House 'strategy' on Project Gunrunner documented - Is report the 'smoking gun' in controversy over guns-to-Mexico?" In am unclassified September 2010 report (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/Cartel_Strategy.pdf) obtained and posted on the net by MSNBC the ATF stated, "The analysis of trends based on seizures and human intelligence have provided some meaningful insights into the methods of acquisition and transportation utilized by the Mexican cartels. Furthermore, over the past few months enforcement strategies (and other guidance) that address firearms trafficking to Mexican cartels have been developed and released by the White House and the Department of Justice. It is essential that ATF efforts support strategies promoted by the White House and Department of Justice. An examination of these and other strategies reveals similarities among the strategies, but also suggests that some revisions to ATF’s current strategy are necessary." The WND article further reported accusations that the motivation for this "stratigy" was to justify gun control in the US.

vincewarde
05-25-2011, 1:43 PM
May 25, 2011 - Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) is vows to block President Obama’s nominations (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/163095-grassley-vows-to-block-nominations-until-he-gets-answers-on-gun-program) until he gets detailed answers on the Gunwalker scandal. Additional coverage from Foxnews. (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/25/justice-nominees-held-grassley-concerns-gunrunner/)

vincewarde
05-31-2011, 9:00 AM
May 31, 2001 - Fox News reporter William La Jeunesse, citing Wikileaks data, reports (http://video.foxnews.com/v/968667204001/us-arming-mexican-cartels)that the vast majority of guns used in the cartel wars in Mexico are diverted from sales to the Mexican and other governments. Guns sold through US retail channels are a small fraction of the total - not 90% as claimed by the Obama Administration.

hvengel
05-31-2011, 12:58 PM
It appears that Obama and Holder, or at least their direct subordinates, wanted to use GunWalker to create an argument in favor of more gun control. That is GunWalker was put in place for purely political reasons and not because it was good policy. It is also clear that this policy was hatched or approved at the highest levels since it involved two cabinet level departments, DOJ and the State Department. So DOJ can't just skape goat this by saying "opps one of our mid level people authorized this" since there is no way a mid level person could have gotten another cabinet level department to go along with it unless this was approved by higher ups.

They have been exposed in spite of an apparent attempt to cover it up. Stories like the ones from Fox are likely to keep coming out over the next few months and possibly well into next year. These stories will likely start appearing more often in the "main stream" press as well. GunWalker was particularly egregious because it appears to have resulted in the death of at least one US law enforcement officer ("December 14th 2010, just after 11:00pm: US Boarder Patrol Agent Brain Terry is killed with an AK-47 smuggled into Mexico with the help of ATF.") but no one knows for sure how many or who has been killed with GunWalker guns and I suspect that the one know death is just the tip of the iceburg. This is one of the reasons that this story now has legs and is of interest beyond the pro 2nd Amendment community.

A continued coverup effort only makes it worse for the administration in the long run since it only prolongs the process of fully exposing what they have done. At this point too much information has been made public for the coverup to work and the administration either comes clean and gets this out of the way or they continue to stonewall and it ends up being an issue in the 2012 elections. Even if they come clean now it may still be an issue in 2012. IMHO I don't think they will come clean so I think this story will keep cropping up for a long time.

GunWalker has clearly back fired on the administration and I think it actually hurts their gun control agenda now that is has been exposed. If anything GunWalker is proof that government should not be involved in gun control as it appears that they tend to make things worse.

I wonder how many other currently unknown policy initiatives there are where the administration have chosen politics over good policy. How many of these will we find out about before the election? There is already a perception among the general electorate that Obama and company are inclined to politicize their policies and GunWalker only reinforces this perception. If more clearly bad highly politicized policies are exposed before the election the good government vs. politics issue will hurt the Dems and Obaba in 2012 even more than it has so far.

vincewarde
06-02-2011, 1:50 PM
A continued coverup effort only makes it worse for the administration in the long run since it only prolongs the process of fully exposing what they have done. At this point too much information has been made public for the coverup to work and the administration either comes clean and gets this out of the way or they continue to stonewall and it ends up being an issue in the 2012 elections. Even if they come clean now it may still be an issue in 2012. IMHO I don't think they will come clean so I think this story will keep cropping up for a long time.

Good points - I have lived through every scandal since Watergate, and I believe that this one has the potential to be as big as Watergate - and bigger than Iran-Contra or Clinton's "zippergate".

Why? Because unlike Watergate and every scandal since, Americans have died. House Republicans can pick their time to go after the Administration on this, and unless someone is willing to fall on their sword for Obama and top Administration officials - they cold go so far as impeachment. At this point they are only two steps from the President. When this blows up Holder should be toast. Either because he knew and didn't stop it, or because it happened on his watch. I wonder if he is willing to potentially go to jail for President Obama?

When this blows up, if the motivation appears to be to further gun control, it will definitely be a set back for those pushing new gun laws. If they were willing to see people die to justify an assault weapons ban, there motives probably are not to save lives.

I am actually saddened more than angry by all of this. I had hoped that our first Black President would be better than this. I actually think that on a personal level, there is much to admire about President Obama. He has worked hard to get where he is, he is very personable, and he appears to be modeling an excellent home life. It is a real same that so many of his policies are at best misguided.

vincewarde
06-02-2011, 2:21 PM
June 2, 2011 - A report published today at Examiner.com (http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-seattle/seized-50-cal-rifle-mexican-chopper-downing-linked-to-gunrunner) indicated that a .50 Cal rifle 'walked" into Mexico under the "Fast and Furious" operation may have been used to shoot down a Mexican government helicopter. In addition to the .50 Cal, it is suspected by the ATF that many other guns from the ill fated program were recovered at the shoot out, in which 11 people were killed. Although Examiner.com is not part of the mainstream press, it should be noted that they were among the first to break the Gunwalker story.

vincewarde
06-06-2011, 4:31 PM
June 5, 2011 - Rep. Issa, Chairman of the House Oversight and Reform Committee, announces in a Fox News interview ("http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkMAKtQIHWc) that he will hold public hearings on the ATF scandal this summer. He also stated that he has evidence that the program was approved at "the highest level". He made it clear that he believes it is possible that both Eric Holder and President Obama knew of the program. According to Issa, they have had excellent cooperation in the field and zero cooperation in Washington.

June 6, 2011 - CBS News Reports (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20069439-10391695.html) that Issa will hold public hearing beginning June 13th. CBS also reports that 31 House Democrats have joined Republicans in demanding that the administration "promptly provide complete answers to all Congressional inquiries on this issue." This is the first time any Democrats have brought their pressure to bear.

June 6, 2011 - CBS News confirms (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20069270-10391695.html) that "Gunwalker" guns - illegally bought in the US with the help of the BATFE, and then smuggled into Mexico under their watchful eyes - were used to shoot down a Mexican military helicopter.

753X0
06-06-2011, 7:48 PM
Weiner rides to the rescue! He throws himself under the bus, taking one for the Obama team!
Distraction...

ALSystems
06-06-2011, 7:59 PM
I am actually saddened more than angry by all of this. I had hoped that our first Black President would be better than this. I actually think that on a personal level, there is much to admire about President Obama. He has worked hard to get where he is, he is very personable, and he appears to be modeling an excellent home life. It is a real same that so many of his policies are at best misguided.
All I can say is that you had a higher opinion of Obama than I did. I didn't expect much although this type of policy is beyond my worst expectations.

Gunrunner has shattered the Hope and Dream President. :mad:

vincewarde
06-06-2011, 8:27 PM
..... is the 31 Democrats who have seen just how big this has potential to be. If 31 Democratic Representatives are willing to turn on him before the hearings, how many will do so when the whole truth comes out?

If - and this is a big if - the president was behind this, and it can be proven, he is done. If it can be proven that he did it to further a gun control agenda, then it is even worse. No one died in Watergate - hundreds may have died in this mess. If Rep. Issa has proof that Obama knew, it's over. If he has enough to put Holder in jail, Holder may supply that truth.

Of course it will be interesting to see how long the "lamestream" media can bury this story. My guess is that the "embargo" on this story will be lifted when the hearings start.

SimpleCountryActuary
06-06-2011, 8:42 PM
Son of a B***h. Dismantle the BATFE.

From what I read, it's the BATF guys in the field who are outraged and are feeding the Congressional committees with info on the Washington, DC political thugs who ordered this fiasco. Unless some lower level types are willing to omerta themselves, this could go WAY up the food chain.

Knock on wood for luck ... just did on an M1 rifle.

Best!

vincewarde
06-08-2011, 9:56 AM
‎Jun 7, 2011 - World Net Daily interviews David Codrea (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=308689) of the Gun Rights Examiner, one of the first reporters to break the story. The interview focuses upon Rep. Issa's strategy for the first congressional hearings.

‎Jun 7, 2011 - The Daily Caller reports (http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/07/issa-calls-hearing-on-justice-department-possibly-obstructing-justice/) that the first hearings will focus upon possible obstruction of justice by the Obama administration.

‎Jun 6, 2011 - The Hill reports (http://thehill.com/homenews/house/165031-subpoenas-are-coming-in-probe-of-gun-tracking-program) that Issa's committee will issue a large number of subpoenas to Washington based administration officials. The Hill also reports that interviews of cooperating witnesses in the BATFE and Justice Department have revealed who authorized the operation.

vincewarde
06-09-2011, 2:53 PM
June 9, 2011 - The Daily Caller Reports (http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/09/issa-schedules-second-gunrunner-fast-and-furious-hearing/) that Rep. Issa will hold additional hearings on Wednesday, June 15th. Witnesses will include Sen. Chuck Grassley, Iowa Republican, ATF agents, Justice Department officials and family members of dead Border Patrol agent Brian Terry.

June 9, 2011 - UPI finally carries a story (http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/06/09/ATF-gun-program-a-failure-some-say/UPI-68931307625694/?spt=hs&or=tn) on the scandal, predictably downplaying the whole issue.

June 9, 2011 - The Wall Street Journal carries a report (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304778304576373932406296842.html?m od=googlenews_wsj) that Mexican authorities have recovered a large cache of weapons tied to Gunwalker.

SteveMartin
06-09-2011, 7:42 PM
Thanks for the updates vincewarde!

GOEX FFF
06-09-2011, 10:51 PM
Vince, again you're a beautiful man for doing this.

Have you posted this on http://cleanupatf.org/forums/

I'm sure they'd LOVE to have it too.

arster
06-10-2011, 12:26 AM
Nice thread..here is a Fox Update, they indicate they have a recorded conversation of the agents telling FFl's to let the transactions go through even though the FFL's were calling the BATFE to apprise them of the fishy situations. Talk about hypocrisy, the government was not only letting the guns go through, but when honest, law abiding FFL's were calling them to get consultation about illegal activity - they told them to sell the weapons.

I can't see how the libs/antis who have been using the "statistics" about the large % of US arms from shops in the US can with a straight face blame FFL's or law abiding citizens when it was agents and BATFE telling them to complete these transactions!

I wonder if the FFL's said "no" we aren't going to do the transactions, what would of happened to them from the BATFE.....

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/09/justice-officials-in-panic-mode-as-new-testimony-is-expected-to-reveal-depth/?test=latestnews

mag360
06-10-2011, 12:43 AM
thanks for staying up on this and keeping track! I keep writing the Sac Bee and SF Chronicle but still haven't seen a story yet. hmm wonder why.

vincewarde
06-10-2011, 3:20 PM
June 10, 2011 - Fox News reports (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/09/justice-officials-in-panic-mode-as-new-testimony-is-expected-to-reveal-depth/) that DOJ is in "full panic mode" over next week's hearings. They report that the hearings will reveal that BATFE "knowingly and deliberately flooded Mexico with assault rifles" over the repeated objections of field agents.

June 10, 2011 - National Review Online Reports (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/269148/issa-investigates-project-gunrunner-frank-miniter)that Rep. Darrell Issa is set to issue a number of subpoenas to federal officials who have ties to “Fast and Furious". The article also notes that the mainstream media is basically ignoring the story.

June 10, 2011 - The Herald and News reports (http://www.heraldandnews.com/viewpoints/letters/article_9fcc0092-932c-11e0-9e24-001cc4c03286.html#vmix_media_id=71119631) that the DOJ is "stonewalling" the congressional investigation.

June 10, 2011 - The Pittsburgh Tribute calls for "sunshine" to be applied (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/s_741345.html) to the ATF scandal.

vincewarde
06-10-2011, 3:35 PM
Vince, again you're a beautiful man for doing this.

Have you posted this on http://cleanupatf.org/forums/

I'm sure they'd LOVE to have it too.

Just signed up and posted a link. Thanks for the encouragement!

wash
06-10-2011, 4:34 PM
I wonder where and when the "90% of all Mexican crime guns recovered trace back to the U.S." lie was started. That is probably close to the top of the Gun Walker creators.

Was Gun Walker designed to give them the numbers they lied about or was the bogus 90% the first reported result of Gun Walker?

The number I would like to see is what percentage of crime guns recovered in Mexico and traced to the U.S. can be traced to Gun Walker or were stolen from the Mexican military (who legally bought them from the U.S.).

vincewarde
06-10-2011, 5:33 PM
I wonder where and when the "90% of all Mexican crime guns recovered trace back to the U.S." lie was started. That is probably close to the top of the Gun Walker creators.

Was Gun Walker designed to give them the numbers they lied about or was the bogus 90% the first reported result of Gun Walker?

The number I would like to see is what percentage of crime guns recovered in Mexico and traced to the U.S. can be traced to Gun Walker or were stolen from the Mexican military (who legally bought them from the U.S.).

Now, just ahead of the Gunwalker hearings, they are at it again. This time the figure is 70%. They are very careful not to say that the guns are coming from US retail channels. The truth is that lots of guns recorded in Mexico do trace back to the US.

But as Paul Harvey would say, here's the rest of the story. Included in that figure are guns sold to the Mexican and other nations military and police. In fact, according to Wikileaks documents this is where the majority of the guns are coming from. If every US gun shop closed tomorrow, they would still be able to get "US guns" from defectors and corrupt military officials in Mexico and Central America.

They know that when they report that figure the average American is going to think that all the guns came from US retail sources. That is what they are counting on.

I would point out that they know this is not true - and they also know that nearly all US dealers will refuse to sell to gunrunners. That's why they had to ORDER dealers to do it!

RRangel
06-10-2011, 6:13 PM
I wonder where and when the "90% of all Mexican crime guns recovered trace back to the U.S." lie was started. That is probably close to the top of the Gun Walker creators.

Was Gun Walker designed to give them the numbers they lied about or was the bogus 90% the first reported result of Gun Walker?

The number I would like to see is what percentage of crime guns recovered in Mexico and traced to the U.S. can be traced to Gun Walker or were stolen from the Mexican military (who legally bought them from the U.S.).

It started with certain government officials cherry picking this June 2009 GAO report (http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20110209-mexicos-gun-supply-and-90-percent-myth)and hoping that no one would check on the actual figures. They know it's false. Calling it a lie and them liars is almost too kind. Go ahead and click the link. It's the STRATFOR article if you haven't already read it.

wash
06-10-2011, 9:38 PM
From my reading it sounds like the Mexicans started that lie and eventually got some U.S. politicians to repeat it.

Could there be a corrupt Mexican official that convinced Obama to let him supply his drug cartel with weapons?

Now I want to see the names of the people making the straw buys.

Maybe Obama is getting played too?

Dutch3
06-10-2011, 11:27 PM
"Full Panic Mode". heh. Let's hope so.

How high do you all think this thing goes? I'd say the odds are pretty good it goes all the way to the top. The real question is, which heads are going to roll?

GOEX FFF
06-10-2011, 11:48 PM
June 13th can't come soon enough.

vincewarde
06-13-2011, 1:30 PM
June 13, 2011 - Rep. Issa's opening statement (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i-u5CtXnOc) from today's hearing, detailing the Administration's cover up.

June 13, 2011 - In a Fox news interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7Tmge_oyJs), Rep. Issa accuses the Administration of a systematic cover up. He also links Gunwalker to a coordinated effort between DOJ and gun control groups.

June 13, 2011 - In an opinion piece (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=310401), World Net Daily - the first non-gun media to carry the story - becomes the first outlet to raise the issue of IMPEACHMENT. Roger Hedgecock, reports that, behind the scenes, Republican Congress members consider the actions of the justice department an act of war against Mexico.

June 13, 2011 - Fox News reports (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/13/house-panel-to-weigh-subpoena-authority-in-fast-and-furious-gun-case/) that hearings held today will focus on the Obama Administration's refusal to respond to subpoenas and other requests for documents, as the first step in a process that will eventually compel compliance. Rep. Issa is quoted as saying, "Now the question is will DOJ give us the documents or will law enforcement officials, little by little, as whistleblowers give us what we want to show this problem goes to the highest levels."

curtisfong
06-13-2011, 4:46 PM
CBS update

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20070896-10391695.html

SteveMartin
06-13-2011, 5:39 PM
Issa was on John and Ken on KFI this afternoon. The gun control aspect was not addressed at all.

vincewarde
06-14-2011, 1:08 PM
June 14, 2011 - The Tucson Citizen (http://tucsoncitizen.com/view-from-baja-arizona/2011/06/14/custers-last-stand-atf-goes-to-battle-against-congressional-republicans-june-15th/)refers to the next day's hearing as "Custer's last stand" for the ATF. They publish a witness list which includes Sen. Grassley, Brian Terry's family, three ATF agents and Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich.

June 14, 2011 - The Hill reports (http://thehill.com/homenews/house/166151-dem-concerned-house-panels-probe-may-jeopardize-justice-dept-case)the the Dems are trying to blunt the impact of the hearings by asserting that it will impede ongoing criminal investigations.

June 13, 2011 - Sharyl Attkisson reports (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20070896-10391695.html) on today's hearings.

June 13, 2011 - Video and transcripts (http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/DepartmentandC) from today's hearings.

atomicwedgy
06-14-2011, 8:13 PM
keep this going, I am hoping this becomes more mainstream than Weiner's wiener. Really what if it was him, naked with an evil attack rifle with an assault clip (on its way to Mexico)

GOEX FFF
06-14-2011, 8:19 PM
keep this going, I am hoping this becomes more mainstream than Weiner's wiener. Really what if it was him, naked with an evil attack rifle with an assault clip (on its way to Mexico)

Yep.. Id also urge one to put "Assault Clip" [sic] in quotes as we know the brAdY bunch would love this infactual "label" to be mainstream.

vincewarde
06-14-2011, 10:29 PM
June 14, 2011 18:00 ET - Just ahead of Wednesday's hearing, the House oversight committee releases it's first report. (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/14/house-panel-releases-scathing-report-on-fast-and-furious-gun-operation-sure-to/) It confirms the worst of the Gunwalker accusations - including that ATF managers were "giddy" when they heard that both violence in Mexico and "gunwalker" gun recoveries were rising. They showed no concern for the innocent Mexicans who were dying. In an earlier video report (http://video.foxnews.com/#/v/993137759001/stunning-report-expected-on-gun-sales-to-mexico/?playlist_id=86856), Fox News reported that at least one goal of the program was to blame US gun dealers and provide justification for tighter US gun laws.

winxp_man
06-15-2011, 12:07 AM
June 14, 2011 18:00 ET - Just ahead of Wednesday's hearing, the House oversight committee releases it's first report. (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/14/house-panel-releases-scathing-report-on-fast-and-furious-gun-operation-sure-to/) It confirms the worst of the Gunwalker accusations - including that ATF managers were "giddy" when they heard that both violence in Mexico and "gunwalker" gun recoveries were rising. They showed no concern for the innocent Mexicans who were dying. In an earlier video report (http://video.foxnews.com/#/v/993137759001/stunning-report-expected-on-gun-sales-to-mexico/?playlist_id=86856), Fox News reported that at least one goal of the program was to blame US gun dealers and provide justification for tighter US gun laws.

This sounds like the Sh!!!T will hit the fan at Capitol Hill real soon. I like that the mention that they tried to impose strict laws because of a government screw up.

Thanks for the updates and great job on everything so far! :D



Hey Vince is it ok if I post a link to this thread on different forums ? Also I will post that credit is due to you for all this. :D

mofugly13
06-15-2011, 8:19 AM
This sounds like the Sh!!!T will hit the fan at Capitol Hill real soon. I like that the mention that they tried to impose strict laws because of a government screw up.

Thanks for the updates and great job on everything so far! :D



Hey Vince is it ok if I post a link to this thread on different forums ? Also I will post that credit is due to you for all this. :D

Listening to Rep Cummings at this morning's hearing, it sounds like even in spite of fast & furious, we need to take a look at tightening our gun laws! I believe they're going to try to paint our gun laws as the scapegoat, regardless of the truth.

mofugly13
06-15-2011, 11:50 AM
Someone posted a link to your blog on the Brady facebook page, and it was removed within 20 minutes. They really don't want the truth to get out there. I have a feeling, that if we truly get to the bottom of 'gunwalker', Brady's name will surface somewhere.

Screenshot:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/mofugly13/BradyScreenshot.jpg

RRangel
06-15-2011, 12:54 PM
Of course the gun grabbers are going to blow smoke. Cummings isn't sounding very credible.

vincewarde
06-15-2011, 1:04 PM
Link to C-Span video (http://www.c-spanvideo.org/videoLibrary/event.php?id=194669) of today's hearings.


Highlights:

ATF has disclosed nothing that was not available on the net or had not be completely blacked out.

Agent: There is not one rookie cop in this country who could not have told you this program was not going to work.

Agent: The gun dealer are our friends. They were ready to help us. They don't like being accused of operating in a "grey market".

Question from Rep. Isaa: Is it possible that the real goal of this operation was political?

vincewarde
06-16-2011, 8:50 AM
June 15, 2011 - Greta Van Susteren interviews Peter Forcelli, (http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/transcript/inside-scrutiny-atf-over-operation-039fast-and-furious039) ATF Supervisory Agent after his testimony.

June 15, 2011 - NY Times: Top Agency Officials Knew of Disputed Gun Program (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/16/us/16guns.html)

June 15, 2011 - SF Chronicle: Federal agents testify on guns smuggled to Mexico (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/06/15/MNTM1JUFU6.DTL)

June 15, 2011 - Washington Post: Wayward policy blamed for agent’s slaying (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/wayward-policy-blamed-for-agents-slaying/2011/06/15/AGbUrdWH_story.html)

June 15, 2011 - Two LA Times Reports HERE (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-gunrunner-20110616,0,6305398.story)AND HERE (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-atf-gun-running-20110615,0,6702033.story)

June 15, 2011 - Wall Street Journal - Top Brass Cited in Gun Sting (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304186404576387633640546672.html)

June 15, 2011 - USA Today: ATF agent calls gun-tracking program a 'disaster' (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-06-15-ATF-border-guns-hearing_n.htm)

June 15, 2011 - CBS News: Congress irate over ATF guns-to-Mexico program (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/06/15/eveningnews/main20071385.shtml)

June 15, 2011 - NPR: ATF Agents: Higher-Ups Let Guns Go To Cartels (http://www.npr.org/2011/06/15/137205543/atf-scandal-heats-up-in-congressional-hearing)

June 15, 2011 - Newsmax: Issa: ATF Mexican Gun Scandal a Lot Like Iran-Contra (http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/DarrellIssa-CharlesGrassley-ProjectGunrunner-OperationFastandFurious/2011/06/15/id/400174?s=al&promo_code=C719-1)

vincewarde
06-18-2011, 12:51 AM
June 17, 2011 - Approximately 21;00pt - According to Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/17/head-atf-is-likely-to-go/), in a classic "avoid the news cycle move" the Obama administration has leaked word that the current acting head of ATF will be fired. They are also floating the idea that Obama's choice to head ATF, Andrew Traver, could be named the new acting director. Traver, who is from - you guessed it - Chicago, has a long history of pushing for the very same gun control measures that the Gunwalker operation may have been designed to justify - often by providing misleading information and "demonstrations" to the media. His confirmation has been held up for years by gun rights groups. The Wall Street Journal has a longer report. (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304453304576392023631543738.html?m od=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsSecond)

ccmc
06-18-2011, 6:01 AM
thanks for staying up on this and keeping track! I keep writing the Sac Bee and SF Chronicle but still haven't seen a story yet. hmm wonder why.

I did a search on the Chronicle website yesterday. Came up with no hits. And this is a major metropolitan fishwrap I mean newspaper????

Barkoff
06-18-2011, 6:38 AM
Thanks for that effort, I will be passing it along.

Wrangler John
06-18-2011, 7:16 AM
It is becoming clear, even to the casual observer, that the Obama administration engaged federal agencies, agents and employees as provocateurs for the purpose of subverting a fundamental constitutional right. While most conspiracy theories are within the realm of delusion, there are too many elements in this debacle to lay at the feet of coincidence. The facts belie a delusion, our government is engaged in subverting the Constitution.

BATFE establishing the program, directing illegal sales and export of weapons, coercing licensed dealers to participate in direct violation of the law, the collusion with the State Department and Secretary of State, the Justice Department and Attorney General, and most probably ICE, the coordination with news media blaming FFL dealers and the availability of assault weapons, and most disturbing of all - the coordination with the government of Mexico to make the issue an international incident, make this a direct attack on the fundamental rights of Americans.

Mr. Warde is to be commended for his concise timeline. Factual data clearly organized is the basis of good investigative reporting, and Mr. Warde has succeeded. What will come of it is another matter. In my opinion, the debacle should be cause to topple the entire administration, with the result impeachment and prison time for the perpetrators. Yet, most likely firearms aren't the only thing that will walk, nothing will be done other than the removal of low level apparatchiks, followed by the appointment of even more rabid leftist operatives.

vincewarde
06-19-2011, 1:09 PM
June 19, 2011 - The Nevada Appeal publishes an editorial by Jim Bagwell (http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/20110619/NEWS/110619648/1029&parentprofile=1061), graduate of the FBI National Academy with 31 years law enforcement experience. In it he states that one objective of Gunwalker was the passage of new federal gun control laws.

Paul S
06-19-2011, 11:05 PM
Associated press finally started covering the story. The June 16th AP piece is posted here...but what I found MOST INTERESTING follows the posted story in the comment section.

http://www.policeone.com/news/3831500-ATF-weapons-operation-under-scrutiny/

vincewarde
06-20-2011, 1:22 AM
June 17, 2011 - Dallas Morning News Editorial: (http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/20110617-editorial-we-dont-know-isnt-good-enough-from-justice-dept..ece) ‘We don’t know’ isn’t good enough from Justice Dept.

June 17, 2011 Fox News story: (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/17/two-ak47s-used-to-murder-mexican-lawyer-were-fast-and-furious-guns-sources-say/#ixzz1PniY8AEJ) Two AK-47s Used to Murder Mexican Lawyer Were 'Fast and Furious' Guns

June 18, 2011 World Net Daily Editorial: (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=312485) Did White House approve Project Gunrunner? What the goal to justify more gun control?

June 19, 2011 - Washington Examiner: Don't make Melson a Fast and Furious scapegoat (http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/2011/06/dont-make-melson-fast-and-furious-scapegoat)

June 20, 2011 - The Wall Street Journal publishes another article (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303823104576391794276380486.html), entitled A Drug-War Plan Goes Awry.

vincewarde
06-20-2011, 6:37 PM
June 17, 2011 - CNS News interviews Rep. Issa: Holder 'Absolutely' Knew About Fast & Furious Earlier Than He Testified --- Four Minute Report (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHkaRU9EoVM) - Ten minute Report (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb1vt4-movs)

June 20, 2011 - LA Times reports (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-atf-20110621,0,6363961.story?track=rss) acting ATF direct to resign. They also report that rank and file agents to not have faith in Traver.

June 20, 2011 - Huffington Post reports (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/20/kenneth-melson-atf-chief-resign-fast-furious-guns_n_880770.html) that Melson will resign in one to two days.

June 20, 2011 - CNN reports (http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/20/ac360-follow-atf-acting-director-may-resign-over-fast-and-furious-program/) that Melson will resign, says political damage is major.

June 20, 2011 - ABC News Online finally reports (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bureau-alcohol-tobacco-firearms-explosives-director-faces-pressure/story?id=13886971) the story SIX MONTHS AFTER AGENT TERRY DIED. Surrounding the text story is a six month old video report on Terry's death and, you guessed it, links to stories pushing gun control.

June 20, 2011 - USA today reports (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/06/report-acting-atf-director-expected-to-resign/1)that acting ATF director Melson is likely to resign. Very little about guns walking other than Terry's death.

June 20, 2011 - Newsmax reports: (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ATF-director-resign/2011/06/20/id/400665?s=al&promo_code=C789-1) Acting ATF Director to Resign Over Gun-Buying Sting

JDoe
06-21-2011, 9:21 AM
Tuesday, 21 Jun 2011 09:49 AM ET - Rep. Issa: Holder, Others Should Pay for ATF Blunders Newsmax (http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Issa-Melson-Holder-ATF/2011/06/21/id/400772)

TNP'R
06-21-2011, 9:42 AM
Its nice to see a Californian rep actually standing up against things like this.

vincewarde
06-21-2011, 11:31 AM
June 20, 2011 - Greta Van Susteren interviews ATF Agent Jay Robbins. (http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/transcript/behind-failure-039operation-fast-and-furious039) He states "fast and furious" was planned in the Attorney General's Office and was known "at the highest levels of government".

June 21, 2011 - Rep. Issa is interviewed on Fox News. He states that Eric Holder "should have known" about the program. Fox Video (http://video.foxnews.com/v/1010532272001/issa-on-fast-and-furious-hearings/?playlist_id=87485) Newsmax Print Story (http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Issa-Melson-Holder-ATF/2011/06/21/id/400772)

June 21, 2011 - The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/21/issa-staffer-gunrunner-investigation-points-much-higher-than-atf-director/), citing an Issa staffer, reports that responsibility for "fast and Furious" goes "much higher" than acting head of ATF Melson.

June 21, 2011 - Main Justice reports (http://www.mainjustice.com/2011/06/21/issa-calls-for-melson-to-resign-grassley-cites-inaccurate-atf-data/) Rep. Issa's call for Melson to resign, also quotes Sen. Grassley as saying that last week's 70% figure for US gun recoveries in Mexico was intentionally inaccurate and was intended to distract attention from the June 15th hearings.

wash
06-21-2011, 11:47 AM
I'm glad that Issa seems to want to get to the bottom of this and root it out. It would be easy for him to nail Melson's scalp to his wall and claim the problem is solved.

vincewarde
06-21-2011, 9:39 PM
June 21, 2011 - The Washington Post citing unnamed sources within ATF, reports that Rep. Isaa was fully briefed (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/critic-of-atf-gun-trafficking-program-raised-no-objection-when-briefed-last-year/2011/06/21/AGzvZ5eH_story.html) on "everything he is objecting to now" in April 2010.

eaglemike
06-21-2011, 9:59 PM
June 21, 2011 - The Washington Post citing unnamed sources within ATF, reports that Rep. Isaa was fully briefed (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/critic-of-atf-gun-trafficking-program-raised-no-objection-when-briefed-last-year/2011/06/21/AGzvZ5eH_story.html) on "everything he is objecting to now" in April 2010.
Unnamed sources..... hmmm, let's spread a little disninformation. It's getting a little hot in here.

I look forward to Issa's response to this.

tankerman
06-21-2011, 10:11 PM
I have a feeling this Administration will soon create a huge diversion, some kind of global emergency in an attempt to get this entire story buried or the investigation delay, permanently.

ColdDeadHands1
06-21-2011, 10:36 PM
Michael Savage put it together today on his radio show. He asked the question, did the obummer admin. distribute weapons into the mexican cartels hands in a backdoor 2A ban attempt when the rifles were found to be involved in crimes. This is the first media source I've heard have this discussion.

ccmc
06-22-2011, 7:03 AM
June 21, 2011 - The Washington Post citing unnamed sources within ATF, reports that Rep. Isaa was fully briefed (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/critic-of-atf-gun-trafficking-program-raised-no-objection-when-briefed-last-year/2011/06/21/AGzvZ5eH_story.html) on "everything he is objecting to now" in April 2010.

I like Hill's comment on the smell test ie that they are now trying to claim that Issa et al knew all about this while Obama and his own DOJ officials claim ignorance.

CessnaDriver
06-22-2011, 8:36 AM
The investigators have to be careful with all the puzzle pieces, hold those cards close. Somebody that didn't get the memo is going to flub up and that path to Obozo could be exposed.
I am convinced Obozo was in on this as he was far too quick to start blaming American guns for Mexican cartel violence. He was preaching that narrative to the MSM right from the get go and they ran with it.

vincewarde
06-22-2011, 9:36 AM
I like Hill's comment on the smell test ie that they are now trying to claim that Issa et al knew all about this while Obama and his own DOJ officials claim ignorance.

Exactly - I put that together too.

vincewarde
06-22-2011, 9:39 AM
June 22, 2011 - Investors Business Daily publishes an editorial (http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/576079/201106211851/How-High-Does-ATF-Blame-Go-.htm) demanding accountability for Gunwalker "as high as it goes". They are critical of Traver as well, questioning why the administration should benifit from a crisis they created. Finally, they strongly imply that Obama himself was behind the program and the motive was the create support for a new assusalt weapons ban.

June 22, 2011 - Main Justice reports (http://www.mainjustice.com/2011/06/22/did-issa-know-about-fast-and-furious-last-year/) the accusation against Isaa. However they also report that House Oversight Committee spokesperson Fredrick Hill has denied the accusation - pointing out that the ATF cannot have it both ways. They cannot say that they did not know about guns going to Mexico, but Issa did know because they briefed him on it.


June 22, 2011 - The Huffington Post dutifully echoes (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/22/darrell-issa-kenneth-melson-atf-guns-fast-furious_n_882101.html) the Washington post accusation.

wash
06-22-2011, 10:07 AM
It looks like their house of cards (lies actually) is starting to collapse.

Hopefully people will learn to have an appropriate trust in the words spoken by anti gun politicians.

timdps
06-22-2011, 11:58 AM
Does anyone have numbers for firearms sold to Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador and other central American countries over the years. Is there any way to find out?

Tim

wash
06-22-2011, 12:37 PM
This PDF might be of interest if you want to see the 70% lie:

http://grassley.senate.gov/judiciary/upload/Guns-06-16-11-signed-letter-to-Melson-incomplete-gun-data.pdf

vincewarde
06-22-2011, 12:40 PM
Numbers, no - but it's a lot. Given the conflicts in the 1980's, I am sure it's in the hundreds of thousands.

El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras were all declared American allies fighting insurgents backed by Cuba, Nicaragua and the USSR. They would have gotten mostly AR's. We also backed rebels fighting in Nicaragua at the same time - they most likely got AK's so as to be able to use captured ammo, as well as to not leave an obvious link to the US.

In addition, both the government of Nicaragua and anti-government forces in El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala were supplied with AK's by the USSR through Cuba.

The bottom line is that now that peace has broken out, the armies in all these nations have downsized and have many more arms then they need. They certainly do not need the tons of AK's handed in by the rebels at the end of hostilities.

Given a ready market, the laws of the marketplace still apply. The governments in these countries (or corrupt officials) would rather have cash then have lots of weapons rust away - especially if they are of a type not used by their military (in other words, mostly AK's).

My understanding is that the going price in Central America for an illegal AK47 is $50.00.

2Bear
06-22-2011, 2:58 PM
I did a search on the Chronicle website yesterday. Came up with no hits. And this is a major metropolitan fishwrap I mean newspaper????

The San Francisco Comical? No.

So, BATFE Gunwalker = Obama's "Under the radar"?

vincewarde
06-22-2011, 4:27 PM
June 22, 2011 - In a report posted to the internet this morning (http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/22/ac360-follow-congress-wants-answers-on-atf-operation/), Anderson Cooper casts profound doubt on Eric Holder's denial of prior knowledge of "Fast and Furious".

June 22, 2011 - A reader of my blog turned me on to an excellent PDF resource (http://www.handgunclub.com/hca/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Project-Gunrunner-timelines.pdf). It's a detailed explanation of Gunwalker, but with much more commentary and detail then my blog which is aimed primarily at non-gun rights folks(hence the many links to non-gun media).

2Bear
06-22-2011, 5:44 PM
Here's the AC360 "Keeping them Honest" / CNN piece for your viewing convenience:

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vincewarde
06-23-2011, 8:39 AM
June 22, 2011 - CBS news reports (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20073465-10391695.html) Rep. Issa's denial of the Washington Post allegations. He blames "opponents of the investigation" within DOJ for the false reports. Similar reports are carried on June 23rd by The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/23/issa-camp-says-washington-post-wrong-on-gunrunner-story/), Main Justice (http://www.mainjustice.com/2011/06/23/issa-denies-knowledge-of-atf-operation-blames-doj-for-false-reports/), and The Hill (http://thehill.com/homenews/house/167943-rep-issa-learned-of-gun-tracking-program-this-year-spokesman-says).

vincewarde
06-23-2011, 7:08 PM
June 23, 2011 - The LA Times reports (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-atf-guns-20110624,0,7283758.story) that Kenneth Melson is resisting pressure to step down. He reportedly does not want to be the "fall guy" for the Gunwalker scandal. The article notes that he has an open invitation to appear before Issa's committee, but has not been give permission to do so by the Justice Department.

June 23, 2011 - Newsmax reports (http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Issa-DOJ-fast-furious/2011/06/23/id/401183) that aides to Rep. Issa state that the Washington Post story alleging that the Congressman was fully briefed on Gunwalker is "an outright lie". The spokesman further stated that the Justice Department "shopped the story around" the Washington media, and that several outlets refused to print it because they did not find it credible.

mag360
06-23-2011, 8:29 PM
if we see Kenneth Melson testify before Issa and Co without approval from DOJ, et al. Things could get interesting.

gatdammit
06-23-2011, 9:39 PM
^ hope so... sing, canary! SING!

GOEX FFF
06-23-2011, 10:05 PM
Hasn't got "permission" from DOJ to testify" That's such a crock of more cover-up it's insane. The DOJ continues to bury themselves deeper and deeper with every discission they make and this one only FURTHER shows they are trying to try stop any information about it that will tank them. It's so bluntly obvious.

To the best of my knowledge, someone can't stop someone else from testifying if they want to.

vincewarde
06-24-2011, 12:03 AM
Hasn't got "permission" from DOJ to testify" That's such a crock of more cover-up it's insane. The DOJ continues to bury themselves deeper and deeper with every discission they make and this one only FURTHER shows they are trying to try stop any information about it that will tank them. It's so bluntly obvious.

To the best of my knowledge, someone can't stop someone else from testifying if they want to.

Actually, they can try. Obama could assert executive privilege, and since DOJ and ATF are part of the executive branch he would have an argument. He could even assert privilege AFTER Melson left the governments employ. Notice I said he would have an argument LEGALLY. He might not win, but he could tie things up in court. Personally, I think his argument would not hold up IF the person was willing to testify voluntarily. As I understand it - and I am not a lawyer - executive privilege prevents the congress from compelling members of the executive branch to testify before it. In at least some cases it makes good sense. For instance the president clearly needs to be able to consult with his advisers without congress knowing every detail.

The biggest problem with a president asserting privilege in this kind of a situation is POLITICAL. It just screams cover up. If any president does this to stop an investigation, their days in office are probably numbered.

GOEX FFF
06-24-2011, 12:23 AM
Thanks Vince, again for your useful insightfulness.

RRangel
06-24-2011, 5:28 AM
if we see Kenneth Melson testify before Issa and Co without approval from DOJ, et al. Things could get interesting.

The DOJ didn't let Christopher Coates testify even when subpoenaed. I'm just saying.

vincewarde
06-24-2011, 7:58 PM
June 24, 2011 - Main Justice reports (http://www.mainjustice.com/2011/06/24/melson-resists-pressure-to-resign-issa-heads-to-mexico/) that Rep. Issa has departed for Mexico, where he will meet with government officials in an effort to gather more evidence.

June 24, 2011 - Human Events publishes an article (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=44446) in which they make the case that the Washington Post has inadvertently provided convincing circumstantial evidence that the real agenda behind "fast and furious" was the promotion of gun control in the US.

June 24, 2011 - NPR covers the story again (http://www.npr.org/2011/06/24/137392365/lawmakers-criticize-fast-and-furious-operation), ending with, "One thing's for sure: Issa and Grassley say they're planning more hearings this summer."

vincewarde
06-27-2011, 1:42 PM
June 26, 2011 - The Washington Post publishes an editorial (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2011/06/21/AGaGOcmH_story.html) blaming Gunwalker on the NRA. According to the Post, weak gun laws and the gun rights movement have tied ATF's hands.

June 27, 2011 - The Weekly Standard responds to the Washington Post editorial. (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/washington-post-blames-nra-atf-gun-running-scandal_575582.html) They question the wisdom of giving more power to an agency that is out of control.

June 27, 2011 - The LA times publishes an editorial (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opinionla/la-ed-guns-20110627,0,4739377.story) on Gunwalker, blaming the problem on the "impossible task of enforcing weak gun laws". No mention of the fact that dealers reported the straw purchases to ATF and never would have sold the guns if they had not been ordered to do so. 2006 congressional investigation into ATF excesses in Virginia is cited as an example of how hard it is to enforce gun laws. No mention of the fact that ATF targeted women and mixed race couples, made felony car stops and seized guns with zero probable cause, or that local PD refused to assist when they saw the tactics.

vincewarde
06-27-2011, 6:24 PM
June 27, 2011 - Fox News reports (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/27/atf-to-fire-gunrunner-whistleblower/) that BATFE has served one of the "Gunwalker" whistleblowers with a termination notice.

June 27, 2011 - The Daily Beast reports (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/27/atf-head-kenneth-melson-to-testify-before-congress-on-operation-fast-and-furious.html) that Senators Charles Grassley and Patrick Leahy have reached an agreement that will give Grassley and fellow Republicans access to ATF acting head Kenneth Melson, as well full access to ATF documents and other key witnesses. In return, Sen. Grassley will release holds on three Obama nominees awaiting confirmation. As a result Melson, who has reportedly stated that he will not "take the fall" for the scandal, will definitely testify before the House, the Senate or both. (It is worth noting that Sen. Leahy is at least a sometime supporter of gun rights.)

vincewarde
06-28-2011, 12:07 PM
June 28, 2011 - The Beaufort Observer calls for the abolition of the ATF (http://www.beaufortobserver.net/Articles-c-2011-06-26-254039.112112-Should-the-ATF-be-abolished.html) and the dismissal of Attorney General Holder.

June 28, 2011 - The Sacramento Bee reprints the LA Times editorial (http://www.sacbee.com/2011/06/28/3732631/atf-and-congress-under-the-gun.html) blaming 'lax guns laws" for the ATF scandal.

June 28, 2011 - CNN confirms the deal (http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/06/28/senate.justice/) that will give Senate investigators access to ATF acting director Kenneth Melson.

SoCal Bob
06-28-2011, 3:19 PM
Hey Vince, great to see your comment in the SacBee. Thanks for the updates.

vincewarde
06-29-2011, 1:00 AM
Thanks, I try to respond to as many of these as I can - and I try to use facts so that people who are uninformed can at least see that we have facts on our side.

Sadly, too many people are buying into the idea that this problem is somehow the result of "lax guns laws". To the average non-gun person, the mere idea that you can buy guns "in bulk" seems wrong. They need to know that FFLs just don't close their eyes to illegal activity - and that walking in off the street to buy 10 AKs will probably result in ATF contact.

It was great to hear that line ATF agent talk about FFLs "making their cases" and wanting the public to know that they were not involved in "grey market" activities. Sure sounds like my friends who are FFLs.

ccmc
06-29-2011, 4:47 AM
June 28, 2011 - The Beaufort Observer calls for the abolition of the ATF (http://www.beaufortobserver.net/Articles-c-2011-06-26-254039.112112-Should-the-ATF-be-abolished.html) and the dismissal of Attorney General Holder.

June 28, 2011 - The Sacramento Bee reprints the LA Times editorial (http://www.sacbee.com/2011/06/28/3732631/atf-and-congress-under-the-gun.html) blaming 'lax guns laws" for the ATF scandal.

June 28, 2011 - CNN confirms the deal (http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/06/28/senate.justice/) that will give Senate investigators access to ATF acting director Kenneth Melson.

You're doing a great job keeping us informed on events in this case. Thanks!

Interesting to see the juxtaposition of the editorial line of the North Carolina newspaper and the two California newspapers. Interesting, but not surprising.

vantec08
06-29-2011, 6:24 AM
FFLs, like most other businesses today, are just something to be manipulated, taxed, and abused by bureaucrats.

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss152/vantec08/freeze.jpg

dipsomaniac
06-29-2011, 9:35 AM
The ATF director is going to talk. Whom will he implicate? http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/gunwalker-what-will-happen-at-ken-melsons-testimony/?singlepage=true

vincewarde
06-29-2011, 2:26 PM
June 29, 2011 - President Obama is asked about the ATF scandal at his news conference. He once again denied that Eric Holder, his Attorney General, had authorized the operation. In their report CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20075484-10391695.html) notes that Kenneth Melson, acting head of BATFE, will be interviewed by Senate investigators in mid-July.

June 29, 2011 - Town Hall reports on President Obama's remarks. (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2011/06/29/obama_still_denies_holder_authorized_operation_fas t_and_furious) Their report includes the following response from Rep. Issa: "President Obama's remarks today on Operation Fast and Furious were disappointing. There was no sign of urgency to provide answers or explain why no one at the Justice Department has accepted responsibility for authorizing an illegal gunwalking operation six months after Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry's murder. The American people expect more from the President than unsubstantiated assertions that the Attorney General didn't know about this reckless program and no explanation about who authorized it."

June 29, 2011 - The Daily Caller reports (http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/29/gunrunner-lawyers-seek-discovery/) that lawyers for the defendants in "Gunwalker" are using their discovery rights to conduct their own investigation of BATFE's actions.

vincewarde
06-30-2011, 12:32 PM
June 30, 2011 - Democrats in Congress, lead by Rep. Elijah Cummings, conduct a "full court press" aimed at changing the subject from BATFE misconduct to "weak gun laws". In other words, they are trying to use gunwalker to pass more gun control laws. Wasn't that the very accusation made by gun rights groups? Articles: Politico (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/58102.html)- Chron (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/7633343.html)- Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/democrat-weak-us-laws-hurt-gun-trafficking-fight-in-mexico/2011/06/29/AG7TxbrH_story.html) - Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304450604576416630876667142.html) - Baltimore Sun (http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/local/politics/2011/06/cummings_atf_probe_should_cons.html) - Newsmax (http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/fastandfurious-atf-gunlaws-DarrelIssa/2011/06/30/id/402020)- Main Justice (http://www.mainjustice.com/2011/06/30/weak-laws-encourage-drug-smuggling-cummings-says/) - The Hill (http://thehill.com/homenews/house/169145-fast-and-furious-program-prompts-gun-laws-debate)

aklon
06-30-2011, 3:31 PM
June 27, 2011 - The Daily Beast reports (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/27/atf-head-kenneth-melson-to-testify-before-congress-on-operation-fast-and-furious.html) that Senators Charles Grassley and Patrick Leahy have reached an agreement that will give Grassley and fellow Republicans access to ATF acting head Kenneth Melson, as well full access to ATF documents and other key witnesses. In return, Sen. Grassley will release holds on three Obama nominees awaiting confirmation. As a result Melson, who has reportedly stated that he will not "take the fall" for the scandal, will definitely testify before the House, the Senate or both. (It is worth noting that Sen. Leahy is at least a sometime supporter of gun rights.)

Game over. If Democrat Leahy is involved, and he helped broker a "deal" to get documents and Melson's testimony, then the fix is already in and the hearings will go nowhere near where they should go.

Disgusting.

socalT
06-30-2011, 3:56 PM
June 30, 2011 - Democrats in Congress, lead by Rep. Elijah Cummings, conduct a "full court press" aimed at changing the subject from BATFE misconduct to "weak gun laws". In other words, they are trying to use gunwalker to pass more gun control laws. Wasn't that the very accusation made by gun rights groups? Articles: Politico (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/58102.html)- Chron (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/7633343.html)- Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/democrat-weak-us-laws-hurt-gun-trafficking-fight-in-mexico/2011/06/29/AG7TxbrH_story.html) - Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304450604576416630876667142.html) - Baltimore Sun (http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/local/politics/2011/06/cummings_atf_probe_should_cons.html) - Newsmax (http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/fastandfurious-atf-gunlaws-DarrelIssa/2011/06/30/id/402020)- Main Justice (http://www.mainjustice.com/2011/06/30/weak-laws-encourage-drug-smuggling-cummings-says/) - The Hill (http://thehill.com/homenews/house/169145-fast-and-furious-program-prompts-gun-laws-debate)

Good God!!! Where is Bill W with his "dead Hooker analogy" These guys have a dead BP agent due to the ATF messing up and they can look us straight in the eye and say we need tougher gun laws. I don't rant very often (if ever) but this takes the cake. Republicans/Democrats I don't care what party they are, this is just sickening to watch.

Good job on this timeline!

VAReact
06-30-2011, 4:07 PM
June 27, 2011 - The Daily Beast reports (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/27/atf-head-kenneth-melson-to-testify-before-congress-on-operation-fast-and-furious.html) that Senators Charles Grassley and Patrick Leahy have reached an agreement that will give Grassley and fellow Republicans access to ATF acting head Kenneth Melson, as well full access to ATF documents and other key witnesses. In return, Sen. Grassley will release holds on three Obama nominees awaiting confirmation. As a result Melson, who has reportedly stated that he will not "take the fall" for the scandal, will definitely testify before the House, the Senate or both. (It is worth noting that Sen. Leahy is at least a sometime supporter of gun rights.)

Wow, what a "deal"...:mad:

vincewarde
07-01-2011, 2:37 PM
June 30, 2011 - ATF Whistleblower Vince Cefalu appears on the Fox News program the O'Reilly Factor (http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/2011/07/01/atf-whistleblower-speaks-out-about-botched-gun-operation), hosted by Laura Ingraham. We learn that prior to exposing the Gunwalker scandal, Cefalu served in many posts within BATFE and had glowing reviews - yet he was terminated after "blowing the whistle". Cefalu states that many people high in DOJ were fully aware of Gunwalker. Speaking of why he went public, he said, "I had been exposing what I saw as a deterioration in the senior leadership in ATF to the point where it started crossing pretty huge ethical and legal boundaries. Other agents were coming to me from across the country just because I'm as senior as I am, and I became vocal and open and public about it. The straw that broke the back for me was when one of our own was killed with a gun that we allowed to walk."

June 30, 2011 - ABC News 15 - a local Phoenix outlet reports (http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/weapons-linked-to-controversial-atf-strategy-found-in-valley-crimes) that Gunwalker firearms are turning up at crime scenes in the Phoenix area.

June 30, 2011 - John Hayward, writing in Human Events, authors an article entitled: The Gun Walker Pushback (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=44574) - The scandal which can no longer be ignored.

vincewarde
07-02-2011, 4:24 PM
July 1, 2011 - The Blue Ridge Now (http://www.blueridgenow.com/article/20110701/ARTICLES/107011007/1015/OPINION02?p=1&tc=pg&tc=ar), the online version of the Hendersonville NC Times becomes the latest news outlet to suggest that the whole point of Gunwalker was to pump guns into Mexico from US retail sources, calling it a "False Flag Operation".

July 2, 2011 - Newsmax quotes Sen. Charles Grassley (http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/OperationFastandFurious-ProjectGunrunner-Grassley-JusticeDepartment/2011/07/02/id/402275) as saying, "Many very high up in the Department of Justice" had full knowledge of Gunwalker. Given that the acting ATF director has stated that, "I am not going to take the fall for this" and that he is scheduled to testify later this month, there are not too many people above him in DOJ. Lanny A. Breuer, assistant AG for the criminal division is already linked to the scandal via warrant requests he signed. Above him is the AG, Eric Holder and above Holder is President Obama. Either Lanny Breuar was behind this whole thing, or he is willing to take the fall for someone else, or he will roll over on someone else higher up - and that means Holder and/or Obama. Things are about to get very interesting.

winxp_man
07-02-2011, 11:07 PM
Man Rep Issa and Sen. Grassley is really trying to dig down in the *****. This aint going to be pretty at all.

cortayack
07-03-2011, 10:23 AM
Not too many people know about this in the BAy area, actually nobody I talk to.....Very sad! Thats because your local media is quiet.....This should be front page news!

vincewarde
07-03-2011, 12:09 PM
Not too many people know about this in the BAy area, actually nobody I talk to.....Very sad! Thats because your local media is quiet.....This should be front page news!

It is front page news in Mexico. They sent our ambassador home over it.

Eventually, if and when this reaches a cabinet level - and we are very close to that now - they will have to cover it. Ditto if Obama is linked directly to Gunwalker.

Of course the bombshell would be if someone provides evidence that they motive was to promote new gun control laws. That they would have to carry.

mofugly13
07-03-2011, 12:19 PM
I believe, as many do, that was the motive behind gunwalker. And it seems as if they're stil trying to salvage that intent. There's a youtube video of Helmke testifying before a comittee with Rep Cummings, about how we need to do something about the flow of arms to Mexico, as if Gunwalker never existed!!??

http://bradycampaign.org/media/press/view/1412/

green grunt
07-03-2011, 12:25 PM
WoW........not a peep in any local papers , that I could find , at least it is all over the net !
if only we could "prove" that all this was "just" to further there gun control scheme ....

heres hoping...............Rep Issa and Sen. Grassley kick some butt !

sfbadger
07-03-2011, 12:27 PM
Not too many people know about this in the BAy area, actually nobody I talk to.....Very sad! Thats because your local media is quiet.....This should be front page news!

Thank God for the internet!

ccmc
07-03-2011, 12:44 PM
Not too many people know about this in the BAy area, actually nobody I talk to.....Very sad! Thats because your local media is quiet.....This should be front page news!

Not only that, but I've never seen it on either ABC or NBC nighly news. Sharyl Atkisson of CBS has done a couple of stories on it.

Actually now that the democrats are planning their own hearings on this with a totally different slant (lax gun laws :rolleyes: ) we may start hearing the democrat version of events in the MSM. That ball already started rolling with LA Times and Washington Post editorials.

vincewarde
07-05-2011, 8:42 PM
July 5, 2011 - Human Events publishes a background piece (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=44600) calling for reform of the ATF.

July 5, 2011 - Fox News reports (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/07/05/mexican-lawmakers-want-extradition-for-us-officials-responsible-for-botched/) that calls are growing in Mexico for the extradition of those responsible for smuggling guns into Mexico. Mexican officials want those responsible to be tried in both countries.

July 5, 2011 - The New York Times publishes another article (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/05/us/politics/05guns.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1) blaming the ATF's problems on "lax gun laws".

SoCal Bob
07-05-2011, 9:47 PM
Loved the Fox News story: Rather than stop the operation and tell Mexican police, U.S. officials continued to prime the pump, telling gun stores to order more weapons and sell hundreds to just a few individuals.

Odd how the POTUS was hot to trot to get Calderon national news exposure when he was blaming US gun dealers and that darned inconvenient 2nd Amendment and now that ATF & DOJ are rightfully catching heat we only hear crickets.

campperrykid
07-06-2011, 7:30 AM
The ATFE Reform Act of 2011 is the new name for the old ATFE Reform and Modernization Act . Over half of the House signed up as cosponsors a couple of years ago . Bill numbers and support follows:
H.R. 1093 :
Sponsor and 132 cosponsors .

S.835 :
Sponsor and 2 Cosponsors.

When it becomes law , the Act would take away much , maybe most of ATFE's power to abuse gunowners and dealers.

xlimey
07-06-2011, 9:19 AM
7/6/11 Update:

Fox news just reported that Melson - the acting head of ATF who has previously said that he will not take the fall for the Gunwalker fiasco - met privately with Congressman Issa and Senator Grassley on July 4th. and confirmed that the DOJ is actively obstructing the investigation. I know many of us already figured this out - but when a high Govt. official starts to spill the beans it will be a lot harder for the holdouts in the Media outlets who have been ignoring this scandal.

In addition, the latest info on the structure of this thing apparently indicates that at least one of the Buyers of guns which were to be sent to Mexico for the Drug Cartels was in fact an FBI informant - apparently, in addition to nobody telling the Mexican Govt. that the US Govt. was sending weapons into their country, the ATF was not told by the FBI that one of the gunbuyers was a paid Govt. source! - and that the funds he used for the purchases were fronted by the FBI!

If even part of this is accurate - this is going to get even uglier in a hurry.

Fast, and furious...

Coded-Dude
07-06-2011, 9:37 AM
damn......that's bad news for the current administration

DSeifert
07-06-2011, 9:50 AM
Letter dated 7-5-11 from Issa and Grassley to Holder
http://oversight.house.gov/images/stories/Letters/2011-07-05%20ceg-dei%20to%20ag.pdf

Kali-Jax
07-06-2011, 11:05 AM
Hmmm. So this is why Obama does not want the convicted of rape and murder Mexican National to be executed?

winxp_man
07-06-2011, 1:31 PM
There seems to be some really nasty stuff that is going to come out of this as time goes on. The more the OS Committee is going deeper the nastier the **** gets. Holder will be out for sure with this investigation.

Southwest Chuck
07-06-2011, 1:35 PM
7/6/11 Update:

Fox news just reported that Melson - the acting head of ATF who has previously said that he will not take the fall for the Gunwalker fiasco - met privately with Congressman Issa and Senator Grassley on July 4th. and confirmed that the DOJ is actively obstructing the investigation. I know many of us already figured this out - but when a high Govt. official starts to spill the beans it will be a lot harder for the holdouts in the Media outlets who have been ignoring this scandal.

In addition, the latest info on the structure of this thing apparently indicates that at least one of the Buyers of guns which were to be sent to Mexico for the Drug Cartels was in fact an FBI informant - apparently, in addition to nobody telling the Mexican Govt. that the US Govt. was sending weapons into their country, the ATF was not told by the FBI that one of the gunbuyers was a paid Govt. source! - and that the funds he used for the purchases were fronted by the FBI!

If even part of this is accurate - this is going to get even uglier in a hurry.

Fast, and furious...

This just gets better and better. I can't wait till the movie comes out :p .

.

77bawls
07-06-2011, 1:39 PM
July 2, 2011 - Newsmax quotes Sen. Charles Grassley (http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/OperationFastandFurious-ProjectGunrunner-Grassley-JusticeDepartment/2011/07/02/id/402275) as saying, "Many very high up in the Department of Justice" had full knowledge of Gunwalker. Given that the acting ATF director has stated that, "I am not going to take the fall for this" and that he is scheduled to testify later this month, there are not too many people above him in DOJ. Lanny A. Breuer, assistant AG for the criminal division is already linked to the scandal via warrant requests he signed. Above him is the AG, Eric Holder and above Holder is President Obama. Either Lanny Breuar was behind this whole thing, or he is willing to take the fall for someone else, or he will roll over on someone else higher up - and that means Holder and/or Obama. Things are about to get very interesting.

Chicago politics going to bite him in the ***?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/06/justice-department-obstructing-fast-and-furious-gun-probe-atf-director-says/

Apparently the straw purchasers were FBI agents. Sounds to me like it was a direct attack on a "loophole" that the administration wanted to focus on so he could have this speech.
Not embedding for some reason.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgkh_1sgFrs

Southwest Chuck
07-06-2011, 1:46 PM
7/6/11 Update:

Fox news just reported that Melson - the acting head of ATF who has previously said that he will not take the fall for the Gunwalker fiasco - met privately with Congressman Issa and Senator Grassley on July 4th. and confirmed that the DOJ is actively obstructing the investigation. I know many of us already figured this out - but when a high Govt. official starts to spill the beans it will be a lot harder for the holdouts in the Media outlets who have been ignoring this scandal.

In addition, the latest info on the structure of this thing apparently indicates that at least one of the Buyers of guns which were to be sent to Mexico for the Drug Cartels was in fact an FBI informant - apparently, in addition to nobody telling the Mexican Govt. that the US Govt. was sending weapons into their country, the ATF was not told by the FBI that one of the gunbuyers was a paid Govt. source! - and that the funds he used for the purchases were fronted by the FBI!

If even part of this is accurate - this is going to get even uglier in a hurry.

Fast, and furious...

Here's the link to the Fox report: Fox News Report: Melson says DOJ is obstructing Fast & Furious Gun Probe (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/06/justice-department-obstructing-fast-and-furious-gun-probe-atf-director-says/)

Another report from Pajama Media/ (http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/07/06/fast-and-furious-scandal-spreads-to-fbi-dea/)

Mexico wants a Crack at them too! (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=44646)

And finally, ABC News is on board with it (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/alcohol-tobacco-firearms-chief-ken-melson-clean-atf/story?id=14009585)

vincewarde
07-06-2011, 2:12 PM
June 21, 2011 - Sen. Grassley releases his analysis (http://grassley.senate.gov/news/Article.cfm?customel_dataPageID_1502=35489) disproving the ATF's bogus "river of guns" 70% figures, using their own data. Of the 26,813 weapons submitted to ATF by Mexico for tracing (by no means the total of guns recovered by Mexican law enforcement) only 5,800 traced back to US retail channels - and many of these were sent to Mexico by the ATF under Gunwalker. Even including the Gunwalker guns, the figure is 21.5%. This figure must be further reduced by the fact that Mexico only submits guns for tracing that they believe came from the US.

July 5, 2011 - Fox News covers the story on "Special Report" (http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/special-report/2011/07/06/american-response-operation-fast-and-furious). There is a panel discussion in which liberal commentator Juan Williams states that Eric Holder has to take responsibility for this scandal. No one defends ATF and the general opinion is that this is not going away any time soon.

July 6, 2011 - In a surprise move, acting ATF head Kenneth Melson testified before member of congress on July 4th. He testified that the main target of the investigation was in fact a paid FBI informant. He also testified that DOJ lied to congress and intentionally obstructed their investigation. Rep. Issa and Senator Grassley report that the cover up includes ATF, FBI and DEA. Melson denied prior knowledge of Gunwalker and stated that he moved to replace those execs responsible as soon as he learned of the program. He also wanted to fully disclose the operation to congress and the public, but was forbidden to do so by DOJ officials. Rep. Issa has now back away from his previous calls for Melson's resignation. Reports: Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/06/justice-department-obstructing-fast-and-furious-gun-probe-atf-director-says/) US News and World Report (http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/07/06/fast--furious-was-much-broader-issa-charges) CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20077264-10391695.html) Washington Times
(http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/6/atf-chief-says-higher-ups-blocked-replies-congress/)

Intrepid
07-06-2011, 5:47 PM
Powerline blog today listed more about Melson's testimony and the ketter sent from Issa and Grassley to Holder linky-dink (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/07/fast-and-furious-blows-sky-high.php)

marcusrn
07-06-2011, 6:49 PM
Hey!! We can't let these filthy animals fire Vincent Cefalu "ATF whistleblower"!

That's Obama's version "transparency in goverment'. Will some guileless child please scream that the king is naked!

DOJ really stepped on there dicks this time. Kudos to ISSA and Grassley and all the ATF people who are singing out and putting themselves in harms way.

gatdammit
07-06-2011, 8:45 PM
June 21, 2011 - Sen. Grassley releases his analysis (http://grassley.senate.gov/news/Article.cfm?customel_dataPageID_1502=35489) disproving the ATF's bogus "river of guns" 70% figures, using their own data. Of the 26,813 weapons submitted to ATF by Mexico for tracing (by no means the total of guns recovered by Mexican law enforcement) only 5,800 traced back to US retail channels - and many of these were sent to Mexico by the ATF under Gunwalker. Even including the Gunwalker guns, the figure is 21.5%. This figure must be further reduced by the fact that Mexico only submits guns for tracing that they believe came from the US.

July 5, 2011 - Fox News covers the story on "Special Report" (http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/special-report/2011/07/06/american-response-operation-fast-and-furious). There is a panel discussion in which liberal commentator Juan Williams states that Eric Holder has to take responsibility for this scandal. No one defends ATF and the general opinion is that this is not going away any time soon.

July 6, 2011 - In a surprise move, acting ATF head Kenneth Melson testified before member of congress on July 4th. He testified that the main target of the investigation was in fact a paid FBI informant. He also testified that DOJ lied to congress and intentionally obstructed their investigation. Rep. Issa and Senator Grassley report that the cover up includes ATF, FBI and DEA. Melson denied prior knowledge of Gunwalker and stated that he moved to replace those execs responsible as soon as he learned of the program. He also wanted to fully disclose the operation to congress and the public, but was forbidden to do so by DOJ officials. Rep. Issa has now back away from his previous calls for Melson's resignation. Reports: Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/06/justice-department-obstructing-fast-and-furious-gun-probe-atf-director-says/) US News and World Report (http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/07/06/fast--furious-was-much-broader-issa-charges) CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20077264-10391695.html) Washington Times
(http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/6/atf-chief-says-higher-ups-blocked-replies-congress/)


DOMINO!!! Muthaf@cka!!!! Simultaneously getting deeper into the rabbit hole, while moving higher and higher up! Nice.

Also here's something from the Drudge Report. Sorry if it's a dupe...

"The US State Department ‘owns’ a piece of legislation known as the Export Control Act, which prohibits the sale of certain deadly weapons and serious military hardware to foreign nationals without the express consent and the issuance of an exemption from State. Generally, in a case involving cross-border trafficking of these weapons, it is ICE which is authorized to oversee any operation or investigation involving such exemptions.

This means that even in a case where ATF and DOJ officials had signed off on Fast and Furious, even in a case where a multi-agency Operational Committee might have approved the gun walking op and ATF’s request to appropriate jurisdictional authority belonging to ICE, ATF agents would have still been compelled by law to obtain an exemption re the Export Control Act from the US State Department—each and every time they ok’d the sale of one or a bundle of weapons from a US gun dealer to a Mexican straw buyer (as part of a ‘secret’ operation).

Every time.

And in every case. (How often do you think ATF would have had to go to State for exemptions/permissions to ‘walk’ 1800+ weapons across the US-Mexico border?)

Now, that would mean that Hillary Clinton, or a high-level State Department representative with the authority to act for her, knew all the details re Operation Fast and Furious."

Looked at it again, my bad... it doesn't follow the timeline.. this was written on May 31st.

Paul S
07-06-2011, 11:30 PM
San Francisco Chronicle web sitew is now carrying the story about the finger pointing between the BATFE & the FBI...let the allegations begin :p

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/06/MNBC1K7CFE.DTL

GOEX FFF
07-07-2011, 2:50 AM
This just gets better and better. I can't wait till the movie comes out :p ..

^ That!

And we're not even close to the ending yet! :chris:

jonyg
07-07-2011, 8:18 AM
This just gets better and better. I can't wait till the movie comes out :p .

.

That's what I was thinking! It's the one time that watching C-SPAN is like watching a court room drama!

xlimey
07-07-2011, 1:49 PM
Update 7/7: Gunwalker/Fast & Furious segment on Rush Limbaugh this morning.

Transcript (and "Nixonian" Photoshop work...) of Thursdays segment now added to Front page of Limbaugh's high-traffic website:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html

Whatever you think of the guy, Rush Limbaugh has the biggest audience on radio - and not all of them are as interested in Guns/2nd amendment issues as most of us on Calguns. However, they are usually very receptive to Govt. corruption or incompetence issues, so the subject may well have been brought to the attention of a few million more citizens this morning for the first time. Limbaugh was also quite unequivocal about stating that he believed that it was a back door attack on the second amendment - and that he believed that it went all the way to the top.

Limbaugh thought that the incriminating trail would probably be allowed to end at Holder. While I would love to see the back of our incompetent Attorney General, it would be oh so sweet if we could get a "two-fer" and see "The Big O" follow Nixon's example and take the one-way walk out to Air Force One...
:jump:

vincewarde
07-07-2011, 3:58 PM
Hey!! We can't let these filthy animals fire Vincent Cefalu "ATF whistleblower"!

While it is really bad for him - and I pray for the man - it is actually good for the investigation. If he brings legal action, that could expose more of ATF/DOJ's misconduct. It also makes them look very very guilty. Screams COVER UP!

vincewarde
07-07-2011, 4:02 PM
July 6, 2011 - The local Phoenix ABC affiliate (http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/43-weapons-in-phoenix-traffic-stop-linked-to-atf-strategy) reports that 43 guns recovered by DEA during a drug bust last April have been positively linked to Gunwalker. They also report that FBI and DEA were involved in the program.

July 7, 2011 - The New York Post publishes an OP Ed (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/fast_furious_gets_hotter_for_holder_wDCoBUrOxYF8r1 GobKS89M)tying Gunwalker to "under the radar" gun control efforts. They also believe that Eric Holder may have criminal responsibility.

July 7, 2011 - The Washington Post publishes an article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/atf-director-testifies-on-bungled-gun-operation/2011/07/06/gIQAhy3d0H_story_1.html) in which they present the administration's and DOJ's position with little to no questioning.

Homebrew2
07-07-2011, 4:16 PM
Hannity current segment = Gunwalker summary, now: KMJ 580 Fresno.

DSeifert
07-07-2011, 9:07 PM
It appears that this isn't limited to just DOJ and ATF. Funding for this was voted on by House and Senate members... ATF project Gunrunner was funded by H.R.1 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2745149/posts

Wordsearch of "Gunrunner" in the following link shows the passage with the funding.
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1/text?version=enr&nid=t0:enr:232t

vincewarde
07-07-2011, 10:36 PM
July 7, 2011 - Rep. Issa is interviewed by Fox News. Sean Hannity Interview: Part 1 (http://video.foxnews.com/v/1042729415001/more-shocking-details-emerge-in-atf-scandal-part-1/?playlist_id=87485) Part 2 (http://video.foxnews.com/v/1042767798001/more-shocking-details-emerge-in-atf-scandal-part-2/?playlist_id=87485) Bret Baier Interview (http://video.foxnews.com/v/1042624898001/rep-darrell-issa-talks-operation-fast-and-furious/?playlist_id=87485) Rep. Chaffetz, who serves on the oversight committee with Rep. Issa is interviewed by Megan Kelly. (http://video.foxnews.com/v/1042520353001/chaffetz-wants-truth-about-atf-program/?playlist_id=87485)

July 7, 2011 - The NRA launches www.fireholder.com (http://www.fireholder.com) - a website devoted to the removal of Attorney General Eric Holder in response to Gunwalker. The site has links to news, an online petition and background information on Gunwalker.

InFamous20
07-07-2011, 11:13 PM
Can of Worms are open!

Hardly any news coverage...

Skidmark
07-08-2011, 7:04 AM
This just gets better and better. I can't wait till the movie comes out :p

They're working on it :rolleyes:

http://iowntheworld.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Copie_de_2fast_2furious1.jpg

vincewarde
07-08-2011, 12:35 PM
July 8, 2011 - Josh Gerstein, writing in Politico (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/58532.html), suggests that the ATF scandal may result in the abolition of the agency. One Democratic group is quoted as saying that FBI could handle enforcement and Treasury could handle licensing.

July 8, 2011 - John Lott, writing on FoxNews.com, (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/07/08/puzzle-operation-fast-and-furious-when-will-team-obama-come-clean-about-failed/) strongly suggests that the real goal of Gunwalker was to smuggle guns to Mexico in order to advance gun control in the US

himurax13
07-08-2011, 2:23 PM
This just gets better and better. I can't wait till the movie comes out :p .

.

With Michael Moore or Michael Bey directing it? :D

GOEX FFF
07-08-2011, 5:26 PM
You can bet with Melson's testimony now and outlining how far this goes up past ATF, the "argument" and how anti's are blabbing that the NRA is "responsible" for this by blocking Traver as a permanent director is essentially null and void.

Let's see how the anti's are going to spin this now..............:rolleyes:
They're grossly running out of options as the frying pan gets hotter.

Cobrafreak
07-08-2011, 6:29 PM
This is a VERY important thread to us. Can it be made a sticky?

pch_331
07-08-2011, 10:23 PM
They're working on it :rolleyes:

http://iowntheworld.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Copie_de_2fast_2furious1.jpg



Speaking of Honduras... "Operation Castaway" article in the below link dated 7/6:

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/breaking-news-source-claims-atf-s-tampa-sac-walked-guns-to-honduras

vincewarde
07-09-2011, 12:21 PM
July 8, 2011 - A video from 2009 surfaces on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PNhYk9NuNc&feature=player_embedded) in which Deputy AG David Ogden, speaking from the White House, outlines "Fast and Furious"/"Operation Gunrunner" including DEA and ATF involvement. He states that this was being done on orders from President Obama and AG Holder.

July 9, 2011 - The Greeley Gazette states (http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=10247) that Sen. Grassley and Issa have sent a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder, accusing him of issuing "false denials" and "distorting the truth." Also reports that it is "impossible" for Holder not to have known about Gunwalker.

July 9, 2011 - World Net Daily commentary (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=320129) asserts that, "FBI, Homeland Security, DEA and ATF all get together to run a sting operation at least partly in a foreign country. Is it even conceivable that Obama would not have to be informed of such a plan? Not likely."

July 9, 2011 - The Charlotte Observer reports (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/07/09/2440172/atf-mexican-cartels-paid-to-inform.html) that "As a result of Melson's statements, "our investigation has clearly expanded," a source close to the congressional investigation said this week, speaking on the condition of anonymity because the inquiry is ongoing. "We know now it was not something limited to just a small group of ATF agents in Arizona.""

Connor P Price
07-09-2011, 12:54 PM
Tagged, this is going to be getting really good soon.

gatdammit
07-09-2011, 5:09 PM
This posted in this thread yet? Doesn't go with the timeline, but

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=453587

Apparently they knew. I think Ogden says they were getting 10 million dollars in stimulus funds.... used to purchase these weapons?

vincewarde
07-09-2011, 6:41 PM
This posted in this thread yet? Doesn't go with the timeline, but

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=453587

Apparently they knew. I think Ogden says they were getting 10 million dollars in stimulus funds.... used to purchase these weapons?

Posted above, in the first message of this thread, and on my personal blog (full timeline). This may, or may not be hugely significant - time will tell. But one thing is for sure, in the last few days this whole mess just got a whole lot bigger.

762.DEFENSE
07-09-2011, 7:19 PM
Very informative and well put together timeline! :)

skylindrftr
07-09-2011, 8:06 PM
vince, can you link us to your blog?

vincewarde
07-10-2011, 8:05 AM
July 7, 2011 - Rep. Alan West, appearing on the Steve Gill radio program, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqOSiSr973k&feature=player_embedded) calls for Eric Holder's removal and for the appointment of a special prosecutor in the Gunwalker scandal.

July 9, 2011 - Salem News Online reports (http://www.salem-news.com/articles/july092011/holder-atf-death-tk.php) that "Holder Lied: DOJ News Release Shows Obama Admin Approved ATF Mexico Weapons Smuggling"

vincewarde
07-10-2011, 8:08 AM
vince, can you link us to your blog?

Sure - it's HERE (http://reasonedpolitics.blogspot.com/2011/04/hillary-eric-wikileaks-and-batfe.html). Link is also in the first post of this thread.

BlackRain17
07-10-2011, 10:47 AM
This should be the headline in all the news, not Casey Anthony... It really makes me wonder about the media and how it's controlled by our government.

skylindrftr
07-10-2011, 12:20 PM
Oops, duh! Thanks though!

gatdammit
07-10-2011, 5:00 PM
I know you have this in "Early 2009" as a part of your timeline and I don't know if you've seen this but if you want the actual bill that was amended by the senate as part of the stimulus. If you have it already sorry for cluttering up your thread.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:S.+205:

vincewarde
07-10-2011, 10:47 PM
I know you have this in "Early 2009" as a part of your timeline and I don't know if you've seen this but if you want the actual bill that was amended by the senate as part of the stimulus. If you have it already sorry for cluttering up your thread.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:S.+205:

Thanks for the post. I didn't include it in the timeline only because I wanted to focus on the actual operation, rather than how they funded it. To put another way, if they had used that money in actual enforcement, there would not have been an issue - and if they had used other funding to do exactly what they did do, we would all be just as concerned. I see it as kind of a side issue.

FYI the WND stories below do mention the stimulus funding issue.

vincewarde
07-10-2011, 10:49 PM
July 10, 2011 - World Net Daily, the first outlet outside the gun rights media to carry the Gunwalker story, reports tha (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=320809)t the motive for the for Gunwalker may very well have been to advance gun control. In a separate article, (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=320825) World Net Daily also reports that, as part of "Fast and Furious" BATFE trained Mexican police officers known to be corrupt.

BlackRain17
07-10-2011, 11:34 PM
Of course, Operation Fast and Furious is a false flag operation to eventually disarm Americans...

It's pathetic that both Barry and Holden are denying about their knowledge about this matter. Barry and Holden should be tried for treason.

ccmc
07-11-2011, 5:56 AM
This should be the headline in all the news, not Casey Anthony... It really makes me wonder about the media and how it's controlled by our government.

The problem is when 90 plus pct of MSM journalists are registered democrats it's hard to get objective reporting. The Washington Post did a pretty extraordinary mea culpa after the 2008 election admitting that their coveage was biased in favor of Obama. The MSM dodn't want to see him fail, so scandals like this one are vastly underreported, and the few times the MSM does cover it, the story is invariably slanted toward the administration talking points (like when the NY Times finally acknowledged the existance of Operation Gunwalker - most of the focus of their story was Elijah Cummings take on the hearings).

kcbrown
07-11-2011, 2:37 PM
If the MSM were truly democrats then Bush wouldn't have won for two terms in a row.

The people vote largely based on what the MSM tells them. Do you really think that kind of power to influence elections goes wasted?

No, the MSM is neither democrat nor republican. It is authoritarian, and consistently supports candidates that intend to strip us of ever more freedom.

Obama is such a candidate. As was Bush before him. As was Clinton before him. Etc.

vincewarde
07-11-2011, 7:16 PM
No, the MSM is neither democrat nor republican.

Study after study - going back decades - show that mainstream media reporters are over 90% Democrat in both their votes and their registration. How much this affects reporting has been debated, but the 90% figure cannot be - too much evidence.

Interestingly, 70% of Fox News reporters self-identify as Democrats.

vincewarde
07-11-2011, 7:19 PM
July 11, 2011 - The LA Times prints a fairly objective article (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2011/07/atf-agents-informants-dea-fbi-drug-war-guns.html) that points out the DEA, and FBI connections and the administration's cover up efforts. Is this story really beginning to gain traction in the mainstream press?

July 11, 2011 - Fox News reports (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/11/family-murdered-patrol-agent-seek-justice/) that the family of murdered Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry is considering filing a suit against the Federal Government for wrongful death. Discovery would provide another source of information on the scandal.

July 11, 2011 - In spite of the fact that dealer already report suspicious buyers - including multiple purchases - to ATF, ATF today announced (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gun-buyer-rule-approved-mexican-border-states/story?id=14049165) a "rule" that will require dealers to report sales of multiple semi-auto rifles. In the Gunwalker case, no dealers were charged or disciplined in any way. Why? Because they all reported the straw buyers, only to be ordered to sell the guns. It is widely believed that this new "rule" has absolutely no foundation in law, and is therefore illegal. The NRA is expected to sue (http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/0711/NRA_Well_sue_over_new_reporting_rule_for_multiple_ gun_buys.html) to prevent it going into effect. While this "rule" may not prove to be a problem, they want to prevent ATF from making their own laws via the rule making process.

kcbrown
07-12-2011, 5:03 AM
Study after study - going back decades - show that mainstream media reporters are over 90% Democrat in both their votes and their registration. How much this affects reporting has been debated, but the 90% figure cannot be - too much evidence.

Interestingly, 70% of Fox News reporters self-identify as Democrats.

This is true, but do you really think they get their marching orders from Democrats?

Who owns the media outlets, and what's their political orientation?


Regardless, these days the Democrats and the Republicans are so close to each other that it's barely possible to tell the difference. Both parties hate freedom.

sandwich
07-12-2011, 8:51 AM
Regardless, these days the Democrats and the Republicans are so close to each other that it's barely possible to tell the difference. Both parties hate freedom.


Hear! Hear! [I guess that should be Read! Read!]

When Patriot Act was voted in by R's (under Bush) and then reaffirmed by D's (under Obama), it was clear that they both cared more about power and control of the "little people," instead of freedom and individual rights....

vincewarde
07-12-2011, 1:27 PM
This is true, but do you really think they get their marching orders from Democrats?

Who owns the media outlets, and what's their political orientation?


Regardless, these days the Democrats and the Republicans are so close to each other that it's barely possible to tell the difference. Both parties hate freedom.

They may not get their marching orders from Dems, but they tend to share their values and this is reflected in what they report on and what is included in their reports. Remember that editors are reporters who have been promoted.

As for the owners, sure to some extent their views are reflected - especially in the audience the outlet pursues.

I agree that both parities have anti-freedom aspects (and some pro-freedom too) - but they are different. I thank God for Republican Justices on SCOTUS - without them we would not have any 2nd Amendment rights.

Just my .02 worth.

vincewarde
07-12-2011, 1:31 PM
July 12, 2011 - Dennis Hennigan, Acting President of the Brady Campaign and John Lott, gun rights advocate, author of "More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws" discuss Gunwalker on Southern California public radio. (http://www.scpr.org/programs/airtalk/2011/07/12/gun-control-legislation/)

July 12, 2011 - The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/12/grassley-issa-slam-holder-again-are-you-skewing-witnesses-with-access-to-fast-and-furious-background-information/) and other outlets report that AG Holder has given potential witnesses access to a shared hard drive with full details on the failed ATF operation. Sen. Grassley and Rep. Issa have sent him a letter protesting this and expressing their concerns that this is an effort to derail their investigation.

July 12, 2011 - In a first for a major US newspaper, the Deseret News publishes a huge, multi-page article on Gunwalker. (http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700151126/Congress-investigates-US-policy-that-purposely-put-guns-in-hands-of-Mexican-drug-cartels.html) In an exhaustive, beginning to current time account of the scandal they compare it to Watergate and Iran - Contra. They also build a strong, fact based case that the true motive of the program was to create a crisis that would enable a "crackdown on guns in the US" and ensure the confirmation of Andrew Traver as ATF head. The article also reports accusations that Holder is lying about when he knew about the operation.

kcbrown
07-12-2011, 1:52 PM
I agree that both parities have anti-freedom aspects (and some pro-freedom too) - but they are different. I thank God for Republican Justices on SCOTUS - without them we would not have any 2nd Amendment rights.


Very true, although I've seen precious little pro-freedom action from either party, and believe that they have gotten more anti-freedom in general over time. Where they appear to primarily differ is on which freedoms they hate the most.

I fully agree about the SCOTUS justices, but have to wonder how much longer that distinction between the parties will remain in place. Certainly the 4th Amendment has been all but buried by those same justices, as well as justices (from both "sides", if I'm not mistaken) that preceded them.


Once we've managed to truly secure our 2A rights, we've got a lot of work ahead of us as regards securing the other rights and liberties that we've lost.

vincewarde
07-12-2011, 5:08 PM
Once we've managed to truly secure our 2A rights, we've got a lot of work ahead of us as regards securing the other rights and liberties that we've lost.

Amen brother - I think we also have a long ways to go in promoting freedom and real tolerance (as opposed to the uni-directional, politically correct kind) in society. People on both the right and the left seem to think intruding into people's personal lives is OK. I firmly believe that if the founders could have looked forward and seen our current public education system they would have been horrified at the government having that much power to indoctrinate. We have some great teachers - but they are saddled with a bad system that is more interesting in shaping values than educating kids. Just my opinion and I will stop typing since we are way off topic :)

BlackRain17
07-12-2011, 5:20 PM
Study after study - going back decades - show that mainstream media reporters are over 90% Democrat in both their votes and their registration. How much this affects reporting has been debated, but the 90% figure cannot be - too much evidence.

Interestingly, 70% of Fox News reporters self-identify as Democrats.

You don't really believe the parties matter do you? It's all a facade. Do you really think MSM are biased towards a certain party? I don't think so. MSM is just full of **** all around. That's why I was quite surprised when I first saw this on CBS a few months back...

vincewarde
07-13-2011, 2:41 PM
July 12, 2011 - CNN reports (http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/07/12/atf.guns/) that over 1,400 guns given to criminals under "fast and furious" are still un-recovered.

July 13, 2011 - CBS News reports (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20079147-10391695.html) that senior DOJ officials were "unquestionably aware" of Gunwalker.

SoCal Bob
07-13-2011, 3:07 PM
Odd how the number of guns involved keeps changing. First it was about 2,500, then I believe other articles said 1,400 or 1,700. The CNN article now says 2,020 guns were involved.

wash
07-13-2011, 3:11 PM
You don't really believe the parties matter do you? It's all a facade. Do you really think MSM are biased towards a certain party? I don't think so. MSM is just full of **** all around. That's why I was quite surprised when I first saw this on CBS a few months back...
In certain media outlets there is a pronounced bias. In others it may just be an undercurrent barely visible on the surface. The same can be said for individual members of the media.

Everyone is biased in some way.

The fact that 70-90% of the media is Democrat should tell you which side shapes news coverage the most.

Republican biased media outlets grab on to different types of story, usually which Democrats are screwing interns, funding pork projects and being hypocritical in any way.

The funny thing is that the mud they try to sling usually comes back to haunt them as worse examples surface in the party they are biased toward (this happens on both sides).

Uriah02
07-13-2011, 3:17 PM
This is awesome. Sticky?

Write Winger
07-14-2011, 8:49 AM
Congressman states openly that he can come to no other conclusion that gunwalker was an attempt to ultimately crack down on or RKBA, or the admin is just completely stupid.

nSatZvqfIF4

Write Winger
07-14-2011, 9:46 AM
I don't have the tech knowledge or ability, but is there anyone who can put together a documentary of sorts not only showing this timeline but also connecting the dots as to how this admin pumped guns into Mexico to push gun control here? (I see as an opening scene Calderon's infamous speech to congress and other leading Dems calling for another AWB and quoting the 90% lie)

barrym66
07-14-2011, 11:02 AM
Looks like a 'smoking gun' email has been uncovered, clearly identifying the goal of Gunwalker to create an environment to justify new multiple long gun registration requirements..

From http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/gunwalker-smoking-gun-email/?singlepage=true



Gunwalker: Smoking Gun Email?

An internal ATF email seems to support the assertion that Fast and Furious was a PR stunt for gun control.

PJM’s Bob Owens has long speculated that the primary reason for Operation Fast and Furious was to perpetuate the lie that 90 percent of illegal firearms in Mexico were from the United States.

Owens’ assertion was buoyed on Wednesday by internal ATF emails obtained by Townhall.com. One email reads:

Can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same FfL and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks Mark R. Chait Assistant Director Field Operations.

This would seem to be a “smoking gun” for Owens’ assertion that this operation was never about crime and always about an “under the table” effort to institute the gun control Obama knew he could never push through Congress.

Additionally, Obama has just issued an executive order which requires gun dealers in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California to report multiple long gun (rifle or shotgun) purchases to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) in order to combat illegal firearms trafficking along the Mexican border.

The National Rifle Association’s Institute for Legislative Action fired back at President Obama’s order. Chris Cox, executive director of the NRA-ILA, said they will be filing a lawsuit against the new order the first time ATF tries to enforce it. He noted that criminals generally don’t fill out forms:

$40 billion transnational criminal enterprises don’t fill out paperwork and are not deterred by paperwork violations. This is a blatant effort by the Obama administration and ATF to divert focus of Congress and the general public from their gross incompetence in the Fast and Furious scandal. This scheme will unjustly burden law-abiding retailers in border states. It will not affect drug cartels and it won’t prevent violence along our borders. ATF and the administration lack the statutory authority to do this and the NRA will file suit as soon as ATF sends the first demand letters.

Obama’s order is awash in hypocrisy per the details of the Gunwalker scandal. It was the ATF which ordered gun dealers to make multiple sales of military-style and .50 caliber sniper rifles to known and suspected straw purchasers in the Operation Fast and Furious debacle, in which more than 2,500 weapons were allowed to walk across the border by the ATF. The dealers were already reporting multiple long gun sales and the ATF told them to make the sales anyway.

Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA), chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform who has been investigating the mess form the beginning, said the executive order was about politics:

This political maneuver seems designed to protect the careers of political appointees at the Justice Department and not public safety. It’s disconcerting that Justice Department officials who may have known about or tried to cover-up gunwalking in Operation Fast and Furious are continuing attempts to distract attention from clear wrongdoing. In Operation Fast and Furious, gun dealers didn’t need this regulation as they voluntarily provided ATF agents with information about suspected straw purchasers. In return for this voluntary cooperation, the Justice Department betrayed them by offering false assurances that they would closely monitor sales of weapons that dealers otherwise did not want to make.

Sen. Charles Grassley, (R-IA), ranking member on the Senate Judiciary Committee, was equally outraged by the executive order:

We’ve learned from our investigation of Fast and Furious that reporting multiple long gun sales would do nothing to stop the flow of firearms to known straw purchasers because many Federal Firearms Dealers are already voluntarily reporting suspicious transactions. In fact, in just the documents we’ve obtained, we are aware of 150 multiple long gun sales associated with the ATF’s Fast and Furious case, and despite the fact that nearly all of these sales were reported in real time by cooperating gun dealers, the ATF watched the guns be transported from known straw purchasers to third parties and then let the guns walk away, often across the border. This makes it pretty clear that the problem isn’t lack of burdensome reporting requirements. The administration’s continued overreach with regulations continues, and is a distraction from its reckless policy to allow guns to walk into Mexico.

Two U.S. law enforcement agents are dead because of this operation, and a reported 150 Mexican citizens are as well. Additionally, the guns are now showing up in U.S. crimes.

resident-shooter
07-14-2011, 11:24 AM
I can only imagine how bad of a reputation this will give to nobama and hilary

1BigPea
07-14-2011, 12:18 PM
This is an obvious attempt at more restrictions on RKBA. Just shows how corrupt Obama, Holder, and crew are...

SteveMartin
07-14-2011, 12:29 PM
This is an obvious attempt at more restrictions on RKBA. Just shows how corrupt Obama, Holder, and crew are...

You must have been really nervous when Obama stated it was "time to eat our peas"!




:D

1BigPea
07-14-2011, 12:41 PM
You must have been really nervous when Obama stated it was "time to eat our peas"!




:D

Oh yeah!

:eek:

vantec08
07-14-2011, 3:09 PM
I can only imagine how bad of a reputation this will give to nobama and hilary


That would only be in a sane nation.

GaryV
07-14-2011, 8:56 PM
It looks like Issa and Grassley found a couple of incriminating emails:

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-st-louis/gunwalking-to-forcible-citizen-disarmament-tyranny-compelling-new-evidence

rodeoflyer
07-14-2011, 9:07 PM
I can't wait to see these bastards in handcuffs.

stangman86gt
07-14-2011, 9:11 PM
I can't wait to see these bastards in handcuffs.

too bad that won't happen...they are part of the government and are above the law. I bet they just get a slap on the wrist and get a paid retirement after that.

corrupt
07-14-2011, 9:16 PM
I would love to be a journalist digging through this case. There's so much to this story. And to think we are only just starting to break ground on it.

Dutch3
07-14-2011, 9:17 PM
I can't wait to see these bastards in handcuffs.

We can only hope.

Of course the ultimate motive was to influence the statistics and support the undermining of 2A nationwide.

Just like the BP's orders to reduce or eliminate apprehension of illegals so Janet's stats could show "the border is safer than ever".

It all seems so painfully obvious that it boggles the mind to consider that 95% of the sheep don't see it.

mag360
07-14-2011, 9:19 PM
and all my friends thought I was the crazy one for bringing up that idea.

Burnit7
07-14-2011, 9:23 PM
Man, I thought this stuff only happens in old clique governmental conspiracy movies.
Eerie to find out that it actually does occur in real life-

@Dutch3 really?! Do you have any links for that?

bob7122
07-14-2011, 9:25 PM
it doesn't matter how much stuff we find unless it defeats the ATF and the ANTIS which it won't.

arsilva32
07-14-2011, 9:26 PM
and all my friends thought I was the crazy one for bringing up that idea.


yup same here, they laugh and said our government would never do something like that. what foolish sheep they all are.

VegasND
07-14-2011, 9:34 PM
Except nobody in the mainstream media wants to cover it. Their built in bias is to support the goals of this operation.
I would love to be a journalist digging through this case. There's so much to this story. And to think we are only just starting to break ground on it.

Kerplow
07-14-2011, 9:35 PM
not surprised. it's pretty obvious that ATF and this administration have a certain agenda.

barrym66
07-14-2011, 9:44 PM
More interesting revelations, courtesy of Pajamas Media....

From http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/gunrunner-justice-department-tampering-with-witnesses/?singlepage=true



Gunwalker: Justice Department Tampering with Witnesses?

Darrell Issa and Charles Grassley demand to know about contact DOJ has had with committee witnesses. Also, a source tells PJM: DOJ has picked a new fall guy to target after they failed to topple ATF Director Ken Melson.

Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA), chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, and Sen. Charles Grassley, (R-IA), ranking member on the Senate Judiciary Committee, have fired off another pair of letters to Attorney General Eric Holder as part of their investigation into the Operation Fast and Furious debacle, which has claimed the lives of at least two American law enforcement agents and a reported 150 Mexican nationals.

In one letter, Issa and Grassley note that the Department of Justice has been providing information about the program to committee witnesses — which implies tampering. The other letter names DOJ officials who knew about the operation.

Per the tampering letter:

We have recently learned that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATF) has afforded potential witnesses for the Committees’ investigation into Operation Fast and Furious access to a shared drive on its computer system replete with pertinent investigative documents, including official ATF emails. Although, our staff has been advised the Department has since terminated access to this document cache, we write to seek additional information relating to this egregious decision. We also ask that you promptly self-report this matter to the Office of Inspector General (OIG).

As we understand it, the shared drive contains the documents that have been produced to the Committees through the course of our investigation, those made available for in camera review and possibly documents that the Department of Justice (DOJ) has not yet provided to the Committee. These witnesses had not previously seen many of these documents.

Allowing witnesses access to such documents could taint their testimony by allowing them to tailor their responses to what they think the Committees already know. Additionally, witnesses who gain access to documents they have not previously seen could alter their recollection of events. This practice harms not only our investigation, but also the independent investigation that you instructed the Inspector General to conduct.

In other words: the DOJ was either trying to make sure witness stories are consistent with DOJ talking points, or they were going through the back door to make sure everyone who was testifying was on the same page. Either would likely get the average citizen slapped with an obstruction or witness tampering charge in a state or federal court.

The hypocrisy here is egregious. According to the letter, on May 5 of this year an associate deputy attorney general expressed concern the committee “might allow witnesses exposure to documents they had not previously seen”:

To the extent that you nevertheless plan to interview our trial witnesses prior to trial, we would appreciate you taking the following steps to help reduce the risk of harm to the case that could arise from such interviews. First … we ask that you not show the witnesses new documents, as exposing the witnesses to facts that are not already within their personal knowledge may contaminate their recall of events. Second, for the same reasons, we ask that you not orally convey facts to the witness of which the witness was previously unaware.

DOJ did exactly what they asked Issa’s committee not to do.

Issa and Grassley demanded the following by July 18:

1. Identify which ATF and DOJ employees had access to this shared drive.

2. Provide a log of documents and the date each document was posted to the shared drive.

3. Provide a log of any other documents relating to this investigation, not on the shared drive, to which these employees had access.

4. Provide the dates for which these employees had access to the shared drive.

5. Identify those employees who still have access to this information.

The other letter sent to Holder names the people the committee says it knows for a fact had knowledge about Operation Fast and Furious. Of the 12 names on the list, there are a couple of particular interest. One is Lanny Breuer, former special counsel to President Bill Clinton and current assistant attorney general for the Criminal Division. Another is Deputy Assistant Attorney General Kenneth Blanco.

PJMedia has heard from sources that since DOJ’s attempt to make Acting ATF Director Ken Melson the fall guy failed when he turned King’s Evidence, DOJ is now planning to make Blanco the sacrificial lamb.

A third name of extreme interest: Gary Grindler, Eric Holder’s chief of staff.

It’s a bit difficult to believe that Holder’s chief of staff knew about this operation, but Holder didn’t.

Issa and Grassley are demanding all communications records between the 12 relating to Operation Fast and Furious.

It’s becoming increasingly difficult for Holder to claim — as he has all along – that he didn’t know about the operation until it blew up in his face. Issa and Grassley must keep pounding away until the guilty parties are hauled before a federal grand jury – the country owes Brian Terry and Jamie Zapata nothing less.

Dutch3
07-14-2011, 9:44 PM
@Dutch3 really?! Do you have any links for that?

The "reduced apprehension" allegations were raised by Arizona Sheriff Larry Dever. Fox news did a few pieces on it (yes, I know, it is Fox...)

BP Ordered to Reduce Illegal Apprehensions (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/03/sheriff-testifies-border-patrol-agents-ordered-reduce-arrests-illegal/)

Earlier Report (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/19/arizona-sheriff-cites-flood-border-agents-confirming-feds-apprehension-policy/)





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Wernher von Browning
07-14-2011, 9:46 PM
Man, I thought this stuff only happens in old clique governmental conspiracy movies.
Eerie to find out that it actually does occur in real life-



At the latest, "real life" matched those "conspiracy movies" round about the time of "Wag the Dog" and BJ Billy's dalliance with m(')nica / simultaneous cruise missile strikes on some guy nobody ever heard of before... what, Been Loddin or something like that? BJ Billy missed, but that Loddin feller got in the next shot and didn't miss.

Since "Wag the Dog" played out in real life -- and nobody really got the connection -- nothing surprises me anymore.

atomicwedgy
07-14-2011, 10:06 PM
how do we get a documentary filmed on the whole thing?

vincewarde
07-15-2011, 12:35 PM
July 12, 2011 - Gun attorney David Hardy, writing in his blog "Of Arms and the Law" (http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/2011/07/did_fast_furiou.php), lays out a strong case that ATF agents and other involved in the Gunwalker scandal broke the "Arms Export Control Act" (22 USC §2778). Those responsible could be subject to "a fine for each violation not more than $1,000,000 or imprisonment of not more than ten years, or both."

July 13, 2011 - Rep. Blake Farenthold, appearing on an NRA vidcast, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSatZvqfIF4&feature=player_embedded) states that the purpose of "Fast and Furious" was to justify further gun control laws.

July 13, 2011 - Katie Pavlich writing at Townhall.com (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2011/07/13/operation_fast_and_furious_designed_to_promote_gun _control) reports that "Fast and Furious" was designed to promote gun control. She has copies of an internal ATF email that appears to support her claim.

July 15, 2011 - The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review prints an editorial (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/s_746568.html) calling for Eric Holder's resignation.

July 15, 2011 - PBS reports on the outrage in Mexico (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2011/07/fast-and-furious.html) over "Fastand Furious". The story is gaining traction in even liberal media.

July 15, 2011 - The Sacramento Bee prints an opinion piece (http://www.sacbee.com/2011/07/15/3771113/californians-have-a-stake-in-probe.html) by Margaret A. Bengs which makes the point that California has an interest in the "Gunwalker" investigation.

July 15, 2011 - The Jamestown Sun (http://www.jamestownsun.com/event/article/id/140073/group/Outdoors/) calls for further investigation of the ATF and the resignation of Eric Holder.

July 15, 2011 - City Watch LA (http://www.citywatchla.com/component/content/article/317-8box-right/1995-fast-and-furious-atfs-risky-gun-operation-responsible-for-agents-deaths) - an LA online outlet reports on the ATF scandal.

vincewarde
07-16-2011, 12:30 PM
July 15, 2011 - The LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-gun-trafficking-20110715,0,5822491.story?track=rss) covers new gun control bills to be introduced in congress, but makes a point of covering Gunwalker in the same article, including asking if the bills were merely an attempt to distract from the ATF scandal.

July 15, 2011 - The Weekly Standard publishes a very large article (http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/more-doj-malpractice_576922.html?page=1) on Gunwalker entitled: More DOJ Malpractice - A misbegotten scheme to boost gun control turns deadly.

July 16, 2011 - The Christian Science Monitor publishes a large article (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/0716/US-gun-tracing-program-in-Mexican-drug-war-comes-under-congressional-fire) including coverage of Gunwalker.

SoCal Bob
07-16-2011, 1:35 PM
I see that PBS is still more than happy to pass along the lie rather than do any investigative reporting: A report commissioned by Congress in June indicated that 70 percent of firearms recovered at crime scenes in Mexico and traced to their origin in 2009 and 2010 had come from the United States.

vincewarde
07-16-2011, 2:55 PM
I see that PBS is still more than happy to pass along the lie rather than do any investigative reporting: A report commissioned by Congress in June indicated that 70 percent of firearms recovered at crime scenes in Mexico and traced to their origin in 2009 and 2010 had come from the United States.

Give them time. They are slowly catching on. They are in the same position Republicans were in during Watergate - they are still hoping Obama and Holder did not know. Of course, we all know how Watergate turned out :)

One of the things that very well may come out of this is increased credibility for the gun rights movement and the gun rights media. Especially if and when proof emerges that Gunwalker was intended to justify more gun control laws.

vincewarde
07-16-2011, 9:10 PM
July 16, 2011 - The LA Times reports on the FBI involvement (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-cartel-guns-20110717,0,6972222.story) in Gunwalker.

July 16, 2011 - The Austin Statesman reports (http://www.statesman.com/opinion/what-part-of-illegal-isnt-clear-1615592.html) on a case where a firearms dealer reported a suspicious buyer to ATF and the resulting conviction. They then report on 'Fast and Furious" and conclude that this all somehow proves the need for mandatory reporting on multiple rifle sales.

Dhena81
07-17-2011, 9:09 AM
I just sent a link to the blog to everyone in my mail contacts list good job on this.

vincewarde
07-18-2011, 1:52 PM
I just sent a link to the blog to everyone in my mail contacts list good job on this.

Thanks! Thank God for the internet - if this happened in the 1970s we never would have heard about it - except the parts that could be twisted to push new gun control.

vincewarde
07-18-2011, 1:56 PM
July 17, 2011 - The Tennessean reports (http://www.tennessean.com/article/20110717/NEWS/307170065/GOP-calls-data-gun-sting) that congressional investigators have evidence that the scandal reaches "the highest levels" of the Justice Department - including "Senate confirmed appointees". Rep. Issa has demanded further information, including emails and other documents.

July 17, 2011 - Fox 26, (http://www.fox26medford.com/la-na-guns-cartel-20110718,0,6479572.story) the Fox station in Medford Oregon reports that the family of DEA agent Jaime Zapata has retained a lawyer and that ATF has refused them any information in reagrds to the firearms used in his murder.

July 18, 2011 - The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/18/issa-grassley-press-fbi-dea-for-fast-and-furious-documents-information/) reports that Isaa and Grassley are pushing the FBI and DEA hard for answered regarding their involvement in Gunwalker.

July 18, 2011 - ABC News reports (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/07/exclusive-atf-directors-eyes-nearly-popped-out-of-his-head-when-he-learned-atf-might-have-been-selli.html) that Acting Director Melson's, "Eyes nearly popped out of his head" when he found out that the subjects ATF was enabling to by firearms and smuggle them across the boarder were on the FBI payroll. When he communicated this to deputy attorney general (DAG) Jim Cole, he did not seem to be shocked.

July 18, 2011 - CNN reports (http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/07/18/congress.fast.and.furious/) on the congressional demand for DEA, FBI and DOJ documents

Dutch3
07-18-2011, 3:19 PM
I am still in disbelief how so many people I talk to know nothing about this.

The "under the radar" ploy certainly seemed to work in regard to most people. However, I am spreading the word. :D

The usual reaction is delayed shock, followed by outrage.

Thank you for your excellent service, Vince!

Paul S
07-18-2011, 8:20 PM
L.A. Times today:

Justice Department trying to shield officials in guns scandal, ATF chief says
Kenneth Melson, the ATF's acting director, claims Justice Department officials refuse to release a telling internal report on the Fast and Furious operation.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-na-guns-scandal-20110719,0,2052417.story

Burbur
07-19-2011, 10:24 AM
I just found this little gem and didn't notice it here yet:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=106959&stc=1&d=1311096227

vincewarde
07-19-2011, 12:15 PM
July 19, 2011 - More articles on the alleged DOJ cover up of Gunwalker, including the existence of a 'smoking gun" internal report: Fox News Latino (http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2011/07/19/lawmakers-say-justice-dept-stonewalling-on-fast-and-furious/) LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-na-guns-scandal-20110719,0,2052417.story) CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20080479-10391695.html) Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/07/18/general-us-fast-and-furious_8571460.html) USA Today (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/07/atf-guns-operation-fast-and-furious-border-/1) Main Justice (http://www.mainjustice.com/2011/07/19/do-withheld-atf-documents-protect-doj-political-appointees/)

vincewarde
07-20-2011, 12:29 PM
July 19, 2011 - Reuters carries a story (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/19/us-mexico-usa-guns-idUSTRE76I5YS20110719) about Gunwalker, focusing upon a gun dealer who did not want to participate.

July 20, 2011 - Fox News does a story on the straw buyers (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/20/operation-fast-and-furious-straw-buyers/) and the failure of "Fast and Furious" to snare any high ranking catel members. They also report that new hearings will take place on July 26.

jwkincal
07-21-2011, 3:50 PM
LA Times has a rather damning article today... looking for link now...

Front page... online at least. Dateline from this afternoon.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-0722-fast-furious-emails,0,5029419.story

iambrian
07-21-2011, 8:43 PM
anybody else hear issa on the john and ken show?

Southwest Chuck
07-21-2011, 9:10 PM
LA Times has a rather damning article today... looking for link now...

Front page... online at least. Dateline from this afternoon.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-0722-fast-furious-emails,0,5029419.story

Wow. Does this scream "Cover-Up" or what? Obstruction?

Southwest Chuck
07-21-2011, 9:12 PM
anybody else hear issa on the john and ken show?

No. How about a rundown? Anything new?

GOEX FFF
07-22-2011, 4:02 AM
As been said, I can't wait for the movie. This is so intense and real life, and its just the first act!

vincewarde
07-23-2011, 8:13 PM
July 22, 2011 - The LA Times reports (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-fast-furious-emails-20110722,0,7402157.story) that the BATFE attempted to mislead congressional investigators earlier in the investigation.

July 22, 2011 - Sen. Grassley is interviewed by Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/happening-now/index.html#/v/1067695735001/lawmakers-want-more-fast-and-furious-info/?playlist_id=159319). He reports that DOJ withheld documents given to them by the acting director of ATF. Grassley believes that DOJ is probably "stonewalling" and that "very high ranking officials in DOJ" knew of the program.

July 22, 2011 - Human Events reports (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45050) that the DOJ's Inspector General has opened a formal investigation into alleged retaliation against ATF whistle blowers.

July 22, 2011 - Sen. Grassley is quoted in a Newsmax story (http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Grassley-FastandFurious-cover-up/2011/07/22/id/404541) as saying that Gunwalker clearly involved criminal activity. He also indicated that acting ATF director Melson was not only told to quit he was ordered not to talk to congress.

vincewarde
07-24-2011, 11:21 PM
July 24, 2011 - The Toledo Blade prints an OP ED by Jack Lessenberry, (http://www.toledoblade.com/JackLessenberry/2011/07/24/Botched-gun-sale-scheme-deserves-more-scrutiny.html) the paper's ombudsman and member of the journalism faculty at Wayne State University. In it Lessenberry expresses concern in regards to the lack of coverage of Gunwalker.

July 24, 2011 - The Eureka Times-Standard reports (http://www.times-standard.com/guest_opinion/ci_18540410) on the DOJ cover up.

July 24, 2011 - World Net Daily publishes a commentary by Rodger Hedgecook (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=325641) in which he points out that having created a scandal, the administration is now attempting to use it to pass additional gun control laws. He also reports that "the Obama administration is also running guns directly to the Zeta cartel through the State Department's U.S. Direct Commercial Sales program. The weapons in that program include "anti-aircraft weapons and hand grenades from the Vietnam War era" as well as "grenade launchers … and military gear including night vision goggles and body armor."

Fyathyrio
07-25-2011, 9:44 AM
At least two Phoenix straw purchasers were prohibited. (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/25/feds-refuse-to-explain-why-proper-background-checks-werent-conducted-on-fast/) FBI approved the sales anyway.

NorCal Mtn Flyer
07-25-2011, 10:07 AM
As per the post above, 2 convicted felons buying a total of 360 weapons between them, with FBI tacit approval! Otherwise the NICS is a total sham! UNBELIEVABLE!

It is absolutley time for a Special Prosecutor and for Obummer and his pet Holder to go DOWN....

RRangel
07-25-2011, 11:08 AM
As per the post above, 2 convicted felons buying a total of 360 weapons between them, with FBI tacit approval! Otherwise the NICS is a total sham! UNBELIEVABLE!

It is absolutley time for a Special Prosecutor and for Obummer and his pet Holder to go DOWN....

Well, NICS is definitely not a sham. The answer is obvious and I would agree.

2Bear
07-25-2011, 11:42 AM
July 24, 2011 - World Net Daily publishes a commentary by Rodger Hedgecook (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=325641) in which he points out that having created a scandal, the administration is now attempting to use it to pass additional gun control laws. He also reports that "the Obama administration is also running guns directly to the Zeta cartel through the State Department's U.S. Direct Commercial Sales program. The weapons in that program include "anti-aircraft weapons and hand grenades from the Vietnam War era" as well as "grenade launchers … and military gear including night vision goggles and body armor."

Sounds tragically all too familiar... Now, Hillary is pulling an Iran-Contra 2.0 :eek:?

vincewarde
07-25-2011, 12:16 PM
July 25, 2011 - The LA Times reports (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-fast-furious-20110725,0,7881661.story) that the US Embassy in Mexico City was intentionally kept "out of the loop" on Gunwalker.

July 25, 2011 - Fox News reports (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/25/feds-refuse-to-explain-why-proper-background-checks-werent-conducted-on-fast/) that ATF and FBI manipulated the National Instant Check System (NICS) to allow straw buyers in "Fast and Furious" to buy firearms, even when they were prohibited persons. Human Events (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45093) and the Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/25/officials-mum-on-how-two-fast-and-furious-suspects-with-criminal-records-obtained-guns/) also carry stories.

J.S.Riesch
07-25-2011, 12:35 PM
Sounds tragically all too familiar... Now, Hillary is pulling an Iran-Contra 2.0 :eek:?

This thing began to stink more and more. Good Lord, what is wrong with these clowns?
This amounts to treason. Cartels killing our LEO with guns purchased on taxpayers money. Really? This Eric Holden guy needs to be put in prison for that.

2Bear
07-25-2011, 1:01 PM
This thing began to stink more and more.

http://www.animateit.net/data/media/17/1smellfish.gif

Even with the growing "Gunwalker" revelations, the push for more gun control lives on.

Over the weekend, the San Francisco Chronicle ran a story with the headline, "ATF data defy theory, tie U.S. gun flow to cartels."

Sens. Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer are cited in the article demanding restoration of the expired federal ban on "assault weapons."

Read more: Guns for Mexican cartels http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=325641#ixzz1T9HSJIsv

RaceDay
07-25-2011, 4:33 PM
I just got an e-mail alert that Washington Post has a long article on Fast & Furious as well.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-anti-gunrunning-effort-turns-fatally-wrong/2011/07/14/gIQAH5d6YI_story.html?wpisrc=al_excl

vincewarde
07-25-2011, 7:46 PM
I just got an e-mail alert that Washington Post has a long article on Fast & Furious as well.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-anti-gunrunning-effort-turns-fatally-wrong/2011/07/14/gIQAH5d6YI_story.html?wpisrc=al_excl

Thanks - after I read it I'll post the link with a description.

As for why the Washington Post published it, simple: Tomorrow there will be more hearings. My guess is that they fear this whole thing may blow up tomorrow - and someone might ask why they have hardly reported on it.

Tomorrow is going to be very interesting.....

RRangel
07-25-2011, 8:19 PM
I just got an e-mail alert that Washington Post has a long article on Fast & Furious as well.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-anti-gunrunning-effort-turns-fatally-wrong/2011/07/14/gIQAH5d6YI_story.html?wpisrc=al_excl

I just started to read the article. I can't believe some of the statements from those that look to defend the BATFE action. It's very obvious what a failure it is. I mean the article quotes "individuals inside ATF" making the statement that “This is an open, ongoing investigation. It is so unfair.”

What planet are these people on?

The operation looks to have been done under the auspices of "investigating" a "network." Though the recent embassy correspondence revealed that even the U.S. embassy directed BATFE to concentrate on stopping the straw buyers they allowed to walk guns into Mexico. Most firearms take years to end up in crime. Not the firearms that were walked in under Fast and Furious. That's damning all by itself.

Fyathyrio
07-25-2011, 9:08 PM
Tomorrow is going to be very interesting.....
I hope you're right, that'd be the best birthday present I could wish for!

vincewarde
07-25-2011, 11:18 PM
July 25, 2011 - On the eve of new hearings the Washington Post publishes an article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-anti-gunrunning-effort-turns-fatally-wrong/2011/07/14/gIQAH5d6YI_story.html?wpisrc=al_excl) portraying Gunwalker as a well intentioned, but risky program that just went wrong. They report that their ATF sources are still contending that it still may result in the arrest of high ranking members of the cartel, and if it doesn't it is because Isaa and Grassley's investigation ruined it. Of course the Washington Post contends that tougher gun laws could fix the whole problem.

July 26, 2011 - Fox News reports (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/26/atf-accused-in-congressional-report-arming-cartel-for-war-through-operation/) that a congressional report indicates that the ATF, through "Fast and Furious" was the primary arms source for the Sinaloa Cartel, helping them to buy 1,026 weapons worth more than $650,000. When ATF agents in Mexico reported this "flood of weapons" they were told "everything is under control". Perhaps the most devestating aspect of the report is that Lanny Breuer, the head of the Criminal Division of the Justice Department, was fully briefed on the number of guns and who they were going to. This removes any doubt that high ranking DOJ managers knew of the operation. Breuer's boss is AG Eric Holder, Holder's boss is President Obama.

stitchnicklas
07-25-2011, 11:31 PM
for tomorrow --->http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=458664

SoCal Bob
07-25-2011, 11:37 PM
July 25, 2011 - On the eve of new hearings the Washington Post publishes an article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-anti-gunrunning-effort-turns-fatally-wrong/2011/07/14/gIQAH5d6YI_story.html?wpisrc=al_excl) portraying Gunwalker as a well intentioned, but risky program that just went wrong. They report that their ATF sources are still contending that it still may result in the arrest of high ranking members of the cartel, and if it doesn't it is because Isaa and Grassley's investigation ruined it. Of course the Washington Post contends that tougher gun laws could fix the whole problem.

I wonder what color the Sun is on their planet...:p

ALSystems
07-26-2011, 4:15 AM
I wonder what color the Sun is on their planet...:p
They probably live on a world with a blue star that burns hot briefly and then destroys itself in a massive supernova. :D

RaceDay
07-26-2011, 9:16 AM
I wonder what color the Sun is on their planet...:p

Ha ha. That was a maximum spin article. I was shocked when I got the e-mail alert. After I read the article last night, I figured out what WaPo was doing. They were re-framing reality for their readers-- Gunrunner was a great idea, it just went astray.

On the good news/more sane news front, Google news is linking to the following "perfect storm of idiocy" headline story at CBS by Sherryl Atkisson. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/26/cbsnews_investigates/main20083453.shtml

For old timers, this looks like Obama's Iran-Contra investigation. I wonder who they will choose to be the Oliver North. Its amazing to me how much power some Lt Colonel had. In this case, I bet some assistant to a Attorney General will end up at the top of the pyramid.

VegasND
07-26-2011, 9:38 AM
I, too, am wondering who will be the sacrificial lamb of the Obama Administration. I also wonder if he will go as willingly to the slaughter as Ollie North did.
Ha ha. That was a maximum spin article. I was shocked when I got the e-mail alert. After I read the article last night, I figured out what WaPo was doing. They were re-framing reality for their readers-- Gunrunner was a great idea, it just went astray.

On the good news/more sane news front, Google news is linking to the following "perfect storm of idiocy" headline story at CBS by Sherryl Atkisson. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/26/cbsnews_investigates/main20083453.shtml

For old timers, this looks like Obama's Iran-Contra investigation. I wonder who they will choose to be the Oliver North. Its amazing to me how much power some Lt Colonel had. In this case, I bet some assistant to a Attorney General will end up at the top of the pyramid.

stitchnicklas
07-26-2011, 9:45 AM
watch it right now