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Fear58
05-18-2011, 10:14 AM
So initially after a big bored rifle, I suddenly came across what I thought was a good deal...

http://palmettostatearmory.com/2202.php

$399.99 or $499.99 w/quad rail

Is this a good deal? I haven't done much research in the 6.8 upper market...

My main use for this rifle would be deer/hog hunting and occasional target practice. Is this a good load for hunting?

Is the deal relatively good?

School me on 6.8!

BANG BANG
05-18-2011, 10:20 AM
we're in the same boat, I recently have taken interest in building a 6.8 rifle for the same exact reasons as you.

I've been researching uppers and that upper looks to be the cheapest around before options.

I hope some 6.8 owners chime in to give us some first hand experience

21SF
05-18-2011, 10:27 AM
Look into 6.5x45 I think its better than the SPCII.

chicoredneck
05-18-2011, 10:35 AM
The round is fine for hunting out to 300 yards or so. After that the trajectory drops off pretty fast. A lot of the 6.8spc ammo available is designed for varmint shooting so make sure you select a bullet designed for big game if your shooting deer/pigs.

That looks like a good deal for the purpose of a hunting carbine.
Glad to see your thinking of taking an AR into the field with you!

cmace22
05-18-2011, 10:47 AM
Have you looked at ammo prices..... 308 cost less!

nrvnqsrxk
05-18-2011, 10:50 AM
Maybe they ballin'

:confused:

cmace22
05-18-2011, 11:09 AM
Maybe they ballin'

:confused:

lol didnt think of that.

7.62 Charlie
05-18-2011, 11:12 AM
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=593041

BANG BANG
05-18-2011, 11:13 AM
Maybe they ballin'

:confused:

lol didnt think of that.

nope.. it saves $$ since you don't need a complete new rifle. I can still use my 5.56 lower

originally wanted to get a .308 bolt action then thought of a AR- in .308

both of those above options would of been $1200.00+ easily for the rifle(s) and optics

chicoredneck
05-18-2011, 11:19 AM
nope.. it saves $$ since you don't need a complete new rifle. I can still use my 5.56 lower

originally wanted to get a .308 bolt action then thought of a AR- in .308

both of those above options would of been $1200.00+ easily for the rifle(s) and optics

If your using it for hunting it's not like your going to burn 500 rounds every range trip.

Spelunker
05-18-2011, 11:22 AM
Check out this forum. It contains all the info you need
http://68forums.com/forums/forum.php

The best ammo for it is this. Good out to 350 yards from a 16" barrel
http://shopwilsoncombat.com/68-SPC-95-gr-Barnes-TTSX-2850-FPS-16-Barrel-20_Box/productinfo/A68-95-TTSX

It is my opinion that this company makes the best chambers and uppers.
http://www.ar15performance.com/6_8_x_43_16__socom_uppers

Its expensive but nice for the power to weight ratio.

Cmace22----try carrying an ar10 around all day long, you will start to appreciate this ar variation by around 11am

You may be able to shoot longer distances with a 308 but I like my hogs to see the face that will be eating them later.

cmace22
05-18-2011, 11:28 AM
Check out this forum. It contains all the info you need
http://68forums.com/forums/forum.php

The best ammo for it is this. Good out to 350 yards from a 16" barrel
http://shopwilsoncombat.com/68-SPC-95-gr-Barnes-TTSX-2850-FPS-16-Barrel-20_Box/productinfo/A68-95-TTSX

It is my opinion that this company makes the best chambers and uppers.
http://www.ar15performance.com/6_8_x_43_16__socom_uppers

Its expensive but nice for the power to weight ratio.

Cmace22----try carrying an ar10 around all day long, you will start to appreciate this ar variation by around 11am

You may be able to shoot longer distances with a 308 but I like my hogs to see the face that will be eating them later.

I never said to get a 308 just offered it up as a comparison.....

Id be all for 6.8 if it wasnt 20-30 a box!

In 2000 rounds of 308 an AR-10 would pay for itself over 6.8. Weight is how you build it. There are plenty of 8-9lb AR-10's out there FYI.

k1dude
05-18-2011, 11:30 AM
That's a really good deal. It's actually cheaper to buy their 6.8 SPCII with rails than it is to buy their .223 with rails.

The 6.8 SPC II is an awesome hunting rifle out to about 300 yards. If you want to shoot out to about 1,000 yards, consider the 6.5 Grendel instead. But I doubt you'll find a Grendel upper for that kind of price.

If I didn't just recently buy a new 5.56 Palmetto upper and wasn't currently building a Grendel upper, I'd be all over that Pametto 6.8 upper.

Keep in mind it's better to reload if you're shooting either cartridge frequently. Fortunately, Wolf now cranks out relatively inexpensive and accurate rounds for the Grendel.

Fear58
05-18-2011, 11:43 AM
How is Pametto in terms of quality? Is their ammo vendors backing 6.8/ will the 6.8 likely become cheaper with time?

Spelunker
05-18-2011, 11:46 AM
I personally like the 1/11 twist rate that the better barrel makers are using (AR Performance, Bison). You should do your own research and make your own choice. I must admit it is a good deal. You can still use the higher performance ammo with this chamber also. DO NOT get a SAAMI spec chamber!!!!!

nrvnqsrxk
05-18-2011, 11:53 AM
nope.. it saves $$ since you don't need a complete new rifle. I can still use my 5.56 lower

originally wanted to get a .308 bolt action then thought of a AR- in .308

both of those above options would of been $1200.00+ easily for the rifle(s) and optics

We're talking about cost of ammo over the life of the weapon. Its like $869.97 for 1200 rounds of 6.8 SPC, as opposed to 439.99 of 5.56 at Cabelas. Meaning if you shoot 5000 rounds, the 5.56 will be cheaper by $2149.90. Chump change, right?

cmace22
05-18-2011, 11:56 AM
How is Pametto in terms of quality? Is their ammo vendors backing 6.8/ will the 6.8 likely become cheaper with time?


Not likely unless the mil adopts it or lots of competition is created by new manufacturers.

For an occasional hunting round 20-30 a box isnt bad. But you pay that price no matter what activity you are doing, plinking, training or hunting.

308 range ammo can be had in the 9-12 a box range for plinking/training or 20-30 for hunting.

BANG BANG
05-18-2011, 1:15 PM
nope.. it saves $$ since you don't need a complete new rifle. I can still use my 5.56 lower

originally wanted to get a .308 bolt action then thought of a AR- in .308

both of those above options would of been $1200.00+ easily for the rifle(s) and optics

We're talking about cost of ammo over the life of the weapon. Its like $869.97 for 1200 rounds of 6.8 SPC, as opposed to 439.99 of 5.56 at Cabelas. Meaning if you shoot 5000 rounds, the 5.56 will be cheaper by $2149.90. Chump change, right?

gotcha, well a 6.8 rifle for me will see a bit of hunting and a bit of range time.
So I def will not be burning through a bunch of ammo

My 5.56 rifles see the most action, one being converted to featureless to run my old 30 rounders and for carbine courses and I def will go through thousands of rounds!

hk91666
05-18-2011, 1:18 PM
My Stag upper is very accurate , I reload and use hornady 110 v-max bullets. Because commercial is expensive. It is a nice cartridge although haven't hunted it yet.

cmace22
05-18-2011, 2:17 PM
My Stag upper is very accurate , I reload and use hornady 110 v-max bullets. Because commercial is expensive. It is a nice cartridge although haven't hunted it yet.

How much per round on your reloads? Thinking about starting up.

javalos
05-18-2011, 3:30 PM
I have a CMMG M-4 in 6.8 SPC, it doesn't have a free-float hand-guard, just a Troy drop in and the sighting system is a scope. The intent of the rifle is deer hunting Blacktails. The round in my opinion is superb, a tack driver and a half, I punched out an X-ring at 100 yards. The round is excellent out to 350 yards, I never shoot deer past 75 yards anyway.

Sky_DiveR
05-18-2011, 4:42 PM
I laugh every time I read somebody post up that a 308 is cheaper, a 6.5G will shoot to 1k yards, or the 6.8SPC will fall from the sky after 300 yds.

C'mon now...

Factory hunting rounds in either caliber is gonna cost $20-$30. So ammo cost is a moot point.

Ethically, hunting is gonna top out around 300 - 350 yds anyways. So that is also a moot point. Tho there are some that know their limitations and can take a clean shot out to 450yds... which a 6.8 still has enough steam to get the job done.

For plinking, none of the calibers mentioned is going to be cost effective... even if you reload. Ask anybody that "plinks" with a 308 and see what they say. Another moot point. Stick with 5.56/223 if ya just want to throw lead downrange. Actually 22LR hands down would be the most economical.

For shooting 1000 yds... now the 308 is the way to go (and maybe the 6.5G) but for accuracy, I wouldn't be using a semi platform for that anyway. Since I would be using a bolt action, then there are already better calibers out there than then either the 6.5G or the 308.

I look at it this way...

6.5G or 6.8SPC if you want a light flexible hunting rig in an AR15 type platform. Both cost about the same whether you buy factory or reload, hunt or plink. Both have similar specs, with similar barrel lengths well past 350yds. Neither is really a common enough caliber that if you run out, the nearest Wally Mart isn't gonna have any in stock. All that's left is personal preference... do you want a 6.5mm or 6.8mm bullet to shoot? :shrug:

Btw, The Palmetto deal looks good and has the proper specs. For $500 railed, it's going about the same price as some 5.56's without the rail. I haven't used or heard of anybody using it but on paper it looks good.

barbasol
05-18-2011, 5:41 PM
Looks like a great deal to me! I just picked my 6.8 upper with similar specs for $600 used with 100 rds down the pipe. That was cash shipped to me though. First pig hunt coming in a few weeks! Ammunitiontogo.com has SSA ammo for $25-27 a box. I've seen plinker ammo for around $17.

Good luck

cmace22
05-18-2011, 6:57 PM
I laugh every time I read somebody post up that a 308 is cheaper, a 6.5G will shoot to 1k yards, or the 6.8SPC will fall from the sky after 300 yds.

C'mon now...

Factory hunting rounds in either caliber is gonna cost $20-$30. So ammo cost is a moot point.

Ethically, hunting is gonna top out around 300 - 350 yds anyways. So that is also a moot point. Tho there are some that know their limitations and can take a clean shot out to 450yds... which a 6.8 still has enough steam to get the job done.

For plinking, none of the calibers mentioned is going to be cost effective... even if you reload. Ask anybody that "plinks" with a 308 and see what they say. Another moot point. Stick with 5.56/223 if ya just want to throw lead downrange. Actually 22LR hands down would be the most economical.

For shooting 1000 yds... now the 308 is the way to go (and maybe the 6.5G) but for accuracy, I wouldn't be using a semi platform for that anyway. Since I would be using a bolt action, then there are already better calibers out there than then either the 6.5G or the 308.

I look at it this way...

6.5G or 6.8SPC if you want a light flexible hunting rig in an AR15 type platform. Both cost about the same whether you buy factory or reload, hunt or plink. Both have similar specs, with similar barrel lengths well past 350yds. Neither is really a common enough caliber that if you run out, the nearest Wally Mart isn't gonna have any in stock. All that's left is personal preference... do you want a 6.5mm or 6.8mm bullet to shoot? :shrug:

Btw, The Palmetto deal looks good and has the proper specs. For $500 railed, it's going about the same price as some 5.56's without the rail. I haven't used or heard of anybody using it but on paper it looks good.

Laugh away then money bags. :D

Unless your math is different from mine 10 is lower than 20 correct? Not moot to me.....

If you re read my posts I acknowledged that hunting rounds would cost about the same. Only moot for hunting rounds....

Cost effective for plinking is arguable given the depth of your pocket book and your need/want for that round. Factory 308 plinking ammo IS more cost effective than 6.8 if the best price is sought out for both. Not moot and not contestable! I asked my self since I plink with 308.

My point was this, 6.8 is expensive no matter what you do with it if you shoot it on a regular basis. I offered 308 as a comparison only but it is more cost effective, more flexible in round choice, rolls it can fill and can be found for much better prices than 6.8.

Ive owned 6.8 so I do have first hand experience. I loved it and all it offers over 556 and 7.62x39. Price of ammo and my desire to shoot it often forced me to sell it.

In the end its your money and your gun, do want you want. I would.

Fear58
05-18-2011, 9:11 PM
Thanks for all the input everyone. I'm sure the .308 would be more economical in the long run, but to be honest, as an initial purchase I just can't afford it right now (but I got cash burning in my pocket for this 6.8 deal!).

My next question I guess would be that I was ALSO considering looking out for a 7.62x39. I've heard lots of input that 6.8 SPC is a superior round over it in terms of hunting, but the x39 has more grains = more knock down? My logic could be flawed... still learning.

I also already have an SKS that would share the 7.62x39, and ammo is very cheap. Should I shop around for a x39 upper when considering deer/boar? Or jump on the 6.8 deal?

Again, thanks for all the input

drs2714
05-18-2011, 9:23 PM
Check these out.
http://www.ssarmory.com/success.aspx

cmace22
05-18-2011, 9:26 PM
From what ive read.

6.8 has more energy from higher velocity than 7.62x39. It has a flatter trajectory from a better BC and retains more energy down range 200+ than 7.62x39. Accuracy is also improved due to the above. Terminal balistics have also been shown to be better than the 7.62x39. All that and it smaller and lighter which means more ammo in your pocket or less weight to carry. Just my .02.

brando
05-18-2011, 9:28 PM
You might consider a .300BLK instead - it's essentially a .223 case necked-up to .30cal. Wilson also released a similar necked-up cartridge, 7.62 x 40WT. Both are well suited for hog hunting as you get a significant projectile mass increase without the need for .308 velocities. Both have the advantage of not requiring special magazine or bolt mods - they work with 5.56mm parts.

6.8 is a nice option, but I don't think it's suited for much beyond close-in protective work. It gives you the mass of a 9mm bullet traveling at rifle speeds, but it seems to have plenty of cons along with its pros.

brando
05-18-2011, 9:31 PM
From what ive read.

6.8 has more energy from higher velocity than 7.62. It has a flatter trajectory from a better BC and retains more energy down range 200+ than 7.62. Accuracy is also improved due to the above. Terminal balistics have also been shown to be better than the 7.62. All that and it smaller and lighter which means more ammo in your pocket or less weight to carry. Just my .02.

Uh..you might want to double-check that. I think you're confusing it with 5.56mm? Maybe 7.62x39mm? No 6.8 load will outshoot a 155 Scenar @ 2900fps or 175 SMK @ 2700fps. The .308 can load more massive bullets and push them significantly faster. End of story.

louscamaro91
05-18-2011, 10:54 PM
Here is one of my 6.8's
I have three of them.
This is a Barrett Rec7
http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp125/lisabug1785/ea135b0a.jpg

http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp125/lisabug1785/d591c524.jpg

7.62 Charlie
05-18-2011, 11:11 PM
Wow nice. I didn't think Barrett sold the REC7 to civilians

Uriah02
05-18-2011, 11:18 PM
Wow nice. I didn't think Barrett sold the REC7 to civilians

Yea I want to say it is around $2500... it is pricey!

cmace22
05-19-2011, 7:04 AM
Uh..you might want to double-check that. I think you're confusing it with 5.56mm? Maybe 7.62x39mm? No 6.8 load will outshoot a 155 Scenar @ 2900fps or 175 SMK @ 2700fps. The .308 can load more massive bullets and push them significantly faster. End of story.

Fixed it.

I wasnt confusing anything. I was referring to x39. Im on vikodin :yawn:

hk91666
05-19-2011, 7:53 AM
How much per round on your reloads? Thinking about starting up.

I haven't broke it down but here is what I bought

1. Hornady v-max 110gr .270cal 100 @ $28.49
2. Cases Remington 110@ $48.99 (I didn't use the SSC ones as I wanted large rifle primer)
3. powder $35.00 /lb I think was Re-10x but I will get recipe when I get home tonight and up date this.
4. Lee Dies about $30.00
5. Primers $5.00/100

Will update load late today. I went this way as ammo is/was hard to find and very expensive.

cmace22
05-19-2011, 7:57 AM
I haven't broke it down but here is what I bought

1. Hornady v-max 110gr .270cal 100 @ $28.49
2. Cases Remington 110@ $48.99 (I didn't use the SSC ones as I wanted large rifle primer)
3. powder $35.00 /lb I think was Re-10x but I will get recipe when I get home tonight and up date this.
4. Lee Dies about $30.00
5. Primers $5.00/100

Will update load late today. I went this way as ammo is/was hard to find and very expensive.

Looks like the first run may be the same price of factory. How many reloads do you think you can get on the brass.

Flintlock Tom
05-19-2011, 9:01 AM
I have a Stag Arms model 7 upper in 6.8 SPC with a Hogue free-float tube and a target crown. So far it's a tack driver at 100 yards.
The ammo from Silver State Armory is about .80 per round in bulk, and I have the loading dies.
Harder hitting than my 5.56 and more accurate than my 7.62x39.
I don't regret the choice of caliber.

21SF
05-19-2011, 9:22 AM
Just to confuse you more, Have you looked at the 300 blackout, as suggested above, or the 30 remington AR?

hk91666
05-19-2011, 9:25 AM
Looks like the first run may be the same price of factory. How many reloads do you think you can get on the brass.
I am hoping to get 20 or more as I am not on the upper pressure curve, I also load 7mm rem mag and have gotten 10+ reloads and then had to adjust length..

ClickClickBoom
05-19-2011, 9:39 AM
My Barrett REC 7 6.8 is in the UPS pipeline, counting down!
eric

hk91666
05-19-2011, 6:49 PM
I haven't broke it down but here is what I bought

1. Hornady v-max 110gr .270cal 100 @ $28.49
2. Cases Remington 110@ $48.99 (I didn't use the SSC ones as I wanted large rifle primer)
3. powder $35.00 /lb I think was Re-10x but I will get recipe when I get home tonight and up date this.
4. Lee Dies about $30.00
5. Primers $5.00/100

Will update load late today. I went this way as ammo is/was hard to find and very expensive.


Recipe was 27.8gr Re10x and no I have not chrony'd the load

I got a lot of info from http://68forums.com/forums/index.php

biker777
05-19-2011, 6:53 PM
Easy choice do all three

I have an AR in 5.56 , AR in 6.8spc, and a bolt action 308..all are fun to shoot and great guns, calibers

cmace22
05-19-2011, 6:53 PM
Recipe was 27.8gr Re10x and no I have not chrony'd the load

I got a lot of info from http://68forums.com/forums/index.php

I know you havent chrono'd it yet but how do you think it compares to factory velocities (not the combat loads)

Probably cant tell huh.

hk91666
05-20-2011, 11:04 AM
I know you havent chrono'd it yet but how do you think it compares to factory velocities (not the combat loads)

Probably cant tell huh.

Sent you an email

StudioDison
05-20-2011, 1:24 PM
When I got my 6.8 from AR15P, I shot 1.5" 5 shot group at 200 yards. It was a 16" barrel. I was using factory SSA Barnes 85 grain ammo. I ended up selling it because it was so expensive to shoot and it was my only AR. I think the new 95 grain Barnes would be perfect.
Now I have a bunch of AR's and am considering getting another 6.8 just for hunting. Good luck to you.

SoCalG
05-20-2011, 2:19 PM
I currently have a .556 AR. I really like the Wilson Combat 6.8 SPC - the only drawback I can see is the ammo is very expensive, so looks like I will most likely go with their 7.62 for my next AR