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Inquirer
05-16-2011, 9:02 PM
Couldn't find anything on the forums about this; title kinda says it all. I've decided on the AK platform but after watching both Gabe Suarez's Kalashnikov Gunfighting (http://www.paladin-press.com/product/Kalashnikov_Rifle_Gunfighting/Shoulder_Weapons)and Magpul's AOTTC (http://store.magpul.com/product/DYN001/76) (both excellent, though very similar just distinguished by which platform they run), I've decided that Costa & Haley's MS2 rig seems much better than Suarez's classic 2-point sling. But how would one mount it? Ideally, it would be a one-point mount so the weapon can hang like this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/saryan25/88aad8bc.jpg

Basically, just have the point of contact be where the natural weight center of the rifle is so it doesn't dangle to one side or the other.

Any thoughts? Anybody have any experience with this type of set-up? All comments appreciated.

esskay
05-16-2011, 9:18 PM
You mean something like this? I don't have one so can't give you first hand feedback on it. But I have run single points on other weapon systems attached on the side and it does make it difficult to do support side transitions, so this sling mount looks promising:

http://www.echo93.com/#!products

http://i892.photobucket.com/albums/ac126/dallasdeadeye/akslingv1.jpg

Dhena81
05-16-2011, 9:19 PM
I don't know of an end plate like that for an AK or what kind of stock your running on your AK but if its just a traditional stock I would probably go with a universal wire loop like this (http://www.blueforcegear.com/products/Blue-Force-Gear%C2%AE-Universal-Wire-Loop%E2%84%A2.html) from Blue force. If your running a collapsible stock I would go with a QD swivel and mount your sling to that. Have you considered looking at TacStrap (http://www.tacstrap.com/)?

^^^That looks cool

evidens83
05-16-2011, 9:19 PM
I was considering the 1 point up until the AR hit my pee pee one two three many times. Stick with the 2 point ;)

Inquirer
05-16-2011, 9:20 PM
Looks pretty promising, Esskay! Unless there's some amazing, rugged, or better solution that seems pretty close to perfect. Looks like it might work on a featureless build, too, if it were taken into account.

Thanks.

I don't know of an end plate like that for an AK or what kind of stock your running on your AK but if its just a traditional stock I would probably go with a universal wire loop like this (http://www.blueforcegear.com/products/Blue-Force-Gear%C2%AE-Universal-Wire-Loop%E2%84%A2.html) from Blue force. If your running a collapsible stock I would go with a QD swivel and mount your sling to that. Have you considered looking at TacStrap (http://www.tacstrap.com/)?

^^^That looks cool

Well, initially it's probably gonna be a traditional stock but eventually I want to put a Magpul CTR on there like the AK in my other thread. In which case, yeah I guess I could just use a regular QD. Does it seat differently or will it work with whatever buffer tube ends up going on the AK?

As for the Tac-Strap, it's only 7 bucks cheaper than the MS2 and they don't have the reputation or the QA guarantee that Magpul does, AFAIK. And aesthetically, it looks to be a little cheaper and shinier, like a seatbelt kind of vibe. Would rather pay the extra 7 bucks.

BigfootHunter
05-16-2011, 9:34 PM
I've got a couple MS2's - I like the material they're made out of and don't mind that they are thinner width-wise than many other rifle slings. That being said, I REALLY DISLIKE it as a 1-pt. If you haven't tried using a 1pt setup yet - try it first, especially if you're concerned with the thing sitting straight up and down, most rifles will angle one way or the other, depending on how they're setup. I have one of the fancy magpul ASAP plates on my AR and when I first got the sling, I was so excited to put the thing together and test it out. That being said, if you have any type of movement planned wearing it in 1pt mode, you better be wearing a stout athletic cup as well....:pinch:

I rung my bells so many times with that thing it wasn't even funny, so now i use it as a 2pt, with the second attachment point just in front of the receiver (there's a QD point on my rail there).

YMMV, but that's my 2p.

ETA: Didn't realize it was for an AK (doh!) but i still say a short as possible (between connection points) 2pt setup will be much more stable and save the jewels. Also, check out the Blueforcegear SOC-C Contractor setup (http://www.blueforcegear.com/products/SOC%252dC%E2%84%A2-Contractor-Pack.html) which you can run 1, 2 or 3pt.

BigfootHunter
05-16-2011, 9:42 PM
Well, initially it's probably gonna be a traditional stock but eventually I want to put a Magpul CTR on there like the AK in my other thread. In which case, yeah I guess I could just use a regular QD. Does it seat differently or will it work with whatever buffer tube ends up going on the AK?

As for the Tac-Strap, it's only 7 bucks cheaper than the MS2 and they don't have the reputation or the QA guarantee that Magpul does, AFAIK. And aesthetically, it looks to be a little cheaper and shinier, like a seatbelt kind of vibe. Would rather pay the extra 7 bucks.

I don't think the AR stock adapter plates will allow the use of an ASAP adapter as they are not setup the same as the back of an AR receiver (buffer tube screws through receiver) on the AK I think most of the adapters screw into a socket welded onto a plate.

Also, the MS2 is shiny as well, and if you get the FDE version the slider is actually a metallic gold color (guess that's the closest they could get??). So don't think it's going to be super flat with no gloss to it.

Inquirer
05-16-2011, 9:49 PM
My Balls are busted enough as it is. Three point style for me. I just want to have the weapon easily droppable should a switch to a secondary be necessitated.

Granted, that's probably going to be more for Airsoft duty than anything else, but one never knows when the S may HTF.

3-Point Sling for AK Recs?

esskay
05-16-2011, 9:50 PM
I've got a couple MS2's - I like the material they're made out of and don't mind that they are thinner width-wise than many other rifle slings. That being said, I REALLY DISLIKE it as a 1-pt. If you haven't tried using a 1pt setup yet - try it first, especially if you're concerned with the thing sitting straight up and down, most rifles will angle one way or the other, depending on how they're setup. I have one of the fancy magpul ASAP plates on my AR and when I first got the sling, I was so excited to put the thing together and test it out. That being said, if you have any type of movement planned wearing it in 1pt mode, you better be wearing a stout athletic cup as well....:pinch:

I rung my bells so many times with that thing it wasn't even funny, so now i use it as a 2pt, with the second attachment point just in front of the receiver (there's a QD point on my rail there).

YMMV, but that's my 2p.

ETA: Didn't realize it was for an AK (doh!) but i still say a short as possible (between connection points) 2pt setup will be much more stable and save the jewels. Also, check out the Blueforcegear SOC-C Contractor setup (http://www.blueforcegear.com/products/SOC%252dC%E2%84%A2-Contractor-Pack.html) which you can run 1, 2 or 3pt.

Putting aside the ball busting aspect of single point slings (which is generally independent of which single point sling you're running), I have a different view of the MS/2. I like it very much for single point mode, but I think it is a mediocre two point sling. It is too difficult to adjust the length, when compared to slings like Ares Husky Amentum, VTAC, or Vickers slings... and easily adjustable length is a critical aspect of being able to run two point slings effectively.

So IMO, if you primarily want a single point sling (with the bonus of flexibility to use in two point mode), consider the MS/2. If you prefer two point slings, I really encourage you to check out the slings listed above... they are really slick and purpose built for that mode.

Dhena81
05-16-2011, 9:53 PM
As for the Tac-Strap, it's only 7 bucks cheaper than the MS2 and they don't have the reputation or the QA guarantee that Magpul does, AFAIK. And aesthetically, it looks to be a little cheaper and shinier, like a seatbelt kind of vibe. Would rather pay the extra 7 bucks.

Although it hasn't happened to me I've read people have had problems with their rifles dropping in the dirt from the MS2's snap shackle opening I don't think that would happen with a ITW mash hook or HK hook. I think the guy that made the TacStrap is a calgunner BTW I don't own a TacStrap just sayin I'm in the same boat as you. I just ordered a VLTOR mod stock adapter with a CTR and need a sling I was going to go with a Vickers 2 point even though I really prefer a 1 point which doesn't make any sense.

esskay
05-16-2011, 9:54 PM
My Balls are busted enough as it is. Three point style for me. I just want to have the weapon easily droppable should a switch to a secondary be necessitated.

Granted, that's probably going to be more for Airsoft duty than anything else, but one never knows when the S may HTF.

3-Point Sling for AK Recs?

I don't think anyone is recommending a 3-point, but rather a 2-point sling...

ETA, I'm not really an AK guy, but based on my experience with 2 points on ARs, I'd recommend taking a look at the Husky Amentum, VTAC, or Vickers slings.

Inquirer
05-16-2011, 9:56 PM
HOLY ****, that VTAC sling is awesome. Just watched their demo video. Think I'm sold. Checking out the Ares and Vickers now though.

BigfootHunter
05-16-2011, 10:48 PM
Yeah, I've got other slings as well (end of last year blueforcegear had a 1/2 off sale on all of their camo green aka foliage green slings so I stocked up), and I would recommend the Vickers as well.

The MS2 does have the ability to quickly lengthen/shorten it in 2pt mode, and for me it does the trick as well as my Vickers does. I also like the smaller footprint on the MS2, as well as it's lack of structure, meaning it doesn't hold a set like my Vickers does and therefore takes up less space.

You can't go wrong with any of the above-mentioned slings.

esskay
05-16-2011, 11:11 PM
I seem to have at least one of all of those slings! lol

IME, the Vickers is a little stiff to start with. Takes a bit to get broken in, but never seems to end up quite as smoothly adjusting as the VTAC or Husky. Advantage over the VTAC is has no tail.

The MS/2, I love for single point, but just does not adjust smoothly enough for me to use in 2 point mode primarily (I have two of them, maybe later versions work better?).

The VTAC is fantastic for adjusting quickly and in very fine increments with long range of adjustment, making it awesome for use as a shooting support. Downside is the long tail that flops around.

The Husky Amentum from Ares is a new design. I like to describe it as being for people who wish the Vickers were more like the VTAC and the VTAC were more like the Vickers. No tail, very quick and easy to adjust. Might give up a tad to the VTAC as sling support. Slick design, good folks down in the SD area. It's new, so doesn't have the track record of the others but I understand it was picked up by MARSOC so things are looking good for this sling.

pyro3k2
05-16-2011, 11:23 PM
nothing short of a 9 point tactical suspension rig will do, unless we are talking about an AK in which case get one of these. They are cheap, they work, and are even combat PROVEN!
http://www.modelguns.co.uk/images/ak47slingp2.jpg

BigfootHunter
05-16-2011, 11:36 PM
^^^ do milled receivers all have that sling attachment point above the pistol grip, or is that something you added? I think if I had one of those I'd definitely go with the above sling on an AK.

pyro3k2
05-16-2011, 11:41 PM
^^^ do milled receivers all have that sling attachment point above the pistol grip, or is that something you added? I think if I had one of those I'd definitely go with the above sling on an AK.

not my personal firearm but my wire sling attachment is on the side of the buttstock. I personally don't think a single point is a good idea for an AK 2-point or 3 point work best for most users with the 2 point being more favorable.

Inquirer
05-17-2011, 12:00 AM
Thanks for the replies, guys. Think Ares is getting my money.

RobGR
05-17-2011, 12:17 PM
Here's the magpul solution with an ACE adapter and buffer tube. So, just get the internal block, the pignose adapter, the buffer tube from ACE and the stock from magpul, obviously avoid the folding mechanism unless your rifle will measure 30" folded.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=4&f=98&t=129664

Inquirer
05-17-2011, 12:25 PM
That is almost EXACTLY how I'd want my rifle set up, only non-SBRed. Thanks for the pics/thread. So cool. Is he just using a stock Ultimak rail set-up? Looks different for some reason; more squared-off. Folding disqualifies you from featureless though, right?

EDIT: Also, if you get your SBR tax stamp does that allow you to run preban hicaps & features?

RobGR
05-17-2011, 1:48 PM
You cannot get an SBR tax stamp in CA, it is almost impossible if you are a law abiding citizen.

As far as running preban hi-caps, there is only one way you can run those legally and that's if you owned them before the ban.

Features, evil features still constitute running a bullet button, there is no way around this. IMO, the best bullet button is the solar tactical gen II.

http://www.solartactical.com/SOLAR-TACTICAL-GEN-2-AK-MAGAZINE-LOCK-124.htm

I want to say folding does not disqualify you from featureless if you firearm is running 30" + in length folded... but huh...

Inquirer
05-17-2011, 1:59 PM
It's the "but huh" I'm unclear about. The rest I got. But theoretically, would an SBR tax stamp enable you to put AW features on your gun?

762.DEFENSE
05-17-2011, 2:59 PM
I was considering the 1 point up until the AR hit my pee pee one two three many times. Stick with the 2 point ;)

So true haha. :rolleyes:

RobGR
05-17-2011, 3:25 PM
It's the "but huh" I'm unclear about. The rest I got. But theoretically, would an SBR tax stamp enable you to put AW features on your gun?

No, an SBR is simply a "short barrel rifle", under 16" brl, it does not exempt one from evil features.

mlevans66
05-17-2011, 3:51 PM
nothing short of a 9 point tactical suspension rig will do, unless we are talking about an AK in which case get one of these. They are cheap, they work, and are even combat PROVEN!
http://www.modelguns.co.uk/images/ak47slingp2.jpg

Uh....want...so bad...my have it..LOL
Get the sling that fits you best, killa. If you like the Magpul, rock that sucker till it's just threads!

RobGR
05-17-2011, 6:16 PM
You cannot get an SBR tax stamp in CA, it is almost impossible if you are a law abiding citizen.

As far as running preban hi-caps, there is only one way you can run those legally and that's if you owned them before the ban.

Features, evil features still constitute running a bullet button, there is no way around this. IMO, the best bullet button is the solar tactical gen II.

http://www.solartactical.com/SOLAR-TACTICAL-GEN-2-AK-MAGAZINE-LOCK-124.htm

I want to say folding does not disqualify you from featureless if you firearm is running 30" + in length folded... but huh...

Under article one, point C of Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act of 1989, a folding or telescoping stock constitutes an evil feature.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California

Therefore you will need a BB if you have either. Additionally, you also have to make sure that the rifle is 30" + in length in the folded or collapsed position.

The STG2 BB I posted above is really easy to attach and to manipulate. You can probably find it cheaper that on the ST site.