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JPglee1
12-04-2006, 8:44 AM
OK guys, I rented an M4 last week that had a real AIMPOINT on it.

The AIMPOINT flat out ROCKS...My cheap Leapers red dot is "sketchy" the dot moves around as you're sighting slightly, and it just feels "cheap"

What are the options for a "real" red-dot type scope???

I'd love to find something that doesn't take batteries.


I'm so frustrated right now... My M4 upper is a flat top, and I hate flat tops. The red-dot lines up with the back of my front sight so I need a riser, or a BUIS to shoot it. The BUIS I have is an AIRSOFT sight. It works but no elevation adjustment, lol.


SO basically I'm looking for a red-dot that WORKS and isn't $1000, I'd like to stay around $250-300 maximum, if possible.


IF I keep the flat top I plan to get a YHM folding front sight and some kind of matching rear sight. Before I get the folding front sight tho, I will cut a spare A2 front sight down so the red dot will work without a riser, LOL.

I really wanna just ****can this A3 receiver entirely. Anyone wanna trade for an A2 upper? I hate flat tops.


JP

maschronic
12-04-2006, 8:51 AM
JP,

something that does not take batteries?? hrmm.... Trijicon!!!! i have the reflex and it's awesome!!! however, its not a red dot scope. its just a kick ***** red dot.

Blacktail 8541
12-04-2006, 8:52 AM
Take a look at the new Busnell. about $150. I don't know of a red dot that does not use batteries.

Stanze
12-04-2006, 8:53 AM
Search arf.com EE for great deals on used quality optics.

That said, this knock-off survived being dropped out on airplane among other torture testing on arf.com.

http://www.mwgco.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?page=MWG/PROD/RIFLE_SCOPES/SPO-MK3-NR6

It's made in South Korea, not China FYI.

JPglee1
12-04-2006, 8:58 AM
http://www.mwgco.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?page=MWG/PROD/Aimpoint/AIM-338-ML2

http://www.mwgco.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/AIM-338-ML2.gif

How about that one for $379.00 is it a decent deal/scope???



How much is a 20" upper worth, with no bolt/carrier/handle?? I can put the barrel on an A1, A2 or A3 upper ;) LOL

I have this 20" I really don't need, I think I'll sell it to get some $$$ for a scope.



JP

shark92651
12-04-2006, 9:08 AM
What about an EOTech? They can be had for about the same amount. I've never used either so would love to hear comments re EOTech VS Aimpoint.

megavolt121
12-04-2006, 9:25 AM
http://www.mwgco.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?page=MWG/PROD/Aimpoint/AIM-338-ML2

How about that one for $379.00 is it a decent deal/scope???
JP

10% has an Aimpoint ML2 listed @ $350. You don't really need the Nightvision capabilities...

I picked up a used M3 on craigslist a few months back for $250.

At those prices, why not go w/ the proven Aimpoint instead of a unproven one?

And don't touch a Bushnell. I saw one @ the Cow Palace and it sucked. The FOV was so small.

the_lynch_family
12-04-2006, 9:35 AM
I own both aimpoint and eotech. I would go with an eotech. You can get a used one for about 250.The field of view on them are awsome. And with an A2 fixed front sight it will work perfect. I have no riser and my eotech center dot is about 1/4 inch above the from sight. I dont even notice the fixed sight.. I think its just really more of a preferance , Some like a fold down front sight. I may go with one one day.

WhiteGT
12-04-2006, 9:35 AM
Rock an Eotech. I picked up my Eotech 512 for about 330 shipped earlier this year online. No riser required.

Sydwaiz
12-04-2006, 9:42 AM
Burris makes an Aimpoint style sight as well.

MysteryCereal
12-04-2006, 10:21 AM
I 2nd, 3rd, 4th that EOTech purchase. I love mine.

maxicon
12-04-2006, 11:46 AM
I've been running an Eotech 552 on my SU16 for some time, and it's great. Everybody likes it.

Never tried an Aimpoint to compare it against, though.

TEX1966
12-04-2006, 12:03 PM
I have a C-MORE CTAC and I love it. It has a rear site built in to the unit. Everyone that used it loves it to. You can also but diffrent modueles for diffrent size dots.

laabstract
12-04-2006, 12:10 PM
try this
http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/detail.aspx?ID=466

or this
http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/detail.aspx?ID=112

xenophobe
12-04-2006, 12:12 PM
I'd rather have a used, beat up Aimpoint than one of the airsoft clonepoints...

Aimpoint CompM2 is a nice sight. EOTechs are nice as well. I would save the extra cash to get the real deal.

bwiese
12-04-2006, 12:17 PM
I'd rather have a used, beat up Aimpoint than one of the airsoft clonepoints...

Aimpoint CompM2 is a nice sight. EOTechs are nice as well. I would save the extra cash to get the real deal.

Naah, Xeno, using cheap Chinese red dot scopes allows quality ammo to mimic the dispersion of Wolf....

You want that SPR to be an area-fire weapon, don't you? :)

tpliquid1
12-04-2006, 12:35 PM
eotech is a bit cheaper than aimpoint, i got my last year from nmtactical for $290 shipped

Paratus et Vigilans
12-04-2006, 1:08 PM
+1 on the EO Tech. I got mine (512.A65) from Wes for $300 and change - love it! Got that one permanently mounted on my Stag 6.8 with the ARMS #40 flip up behind it for back-up/co-witness. Great set up, IMHO.

Can't give you a comparison with the Aimpoint, never used one and don't have one. Yet.

As for cheap red dots, I've got a "Wally World" special in a 30mm tube from BSA and another BSA of the "open air" variety with a 4-reticle selector that I got on a fire sale from Midway USA. They work. They ain't EO Techs. I'm sure the Aimpoint blows them far, far away. But they were cheap, and they make decent "place holders" for the better optics with which I'll be replacing them.:)

If you've only got one build, spend the $$$ and put something top notch on it.

Also, FWIW, I like the open feel of the EO Tech better than looking through a tube - but caveat emptor, because I've yet to look through the tube of an Aimpoint.

Bottom line - unless you really need to reach out and touch someone at a long distance, the irons will get it done just fine. :D

Pokey
12-04-2006, 1:32 PM
I second ( or third or whatever # we are at) the Eotech I have a 552 that I love. I debated between the Eo and Ap but I like the Eotech reticle much better (1 moa dot with a 65 moa ring) the dot for precision and the ring for close or fast movers. It does use batteries but I think the life on 2 AAs is like 700 hrs and the reticle flashes to warn you when it is getting low. Another plus is the 522 is comperable to the M2 in price but the Eotech is ready to mount and doesn't require additional hardware (and $$). Also the 'N' battery Eotechs I would stay clear of, batteries cost more, harder to find, and shorter life.

marxdspot
12-04-2006, 1:45 PM
I have an Eotech 511.65 and 512.65. Best sights I've ever used. Tried the Aimtechs, and would say they are great, too, but I felt that I had better field of view w/ Eotech since I didn't have to look through a tube. I eventually sold my Aimtech M2 for another Eotech. Again, it all depends on preference. I suggest you try view each one before you spend a grip of cash on either sight. Good luck!

Socal858
12-04-2006, 1:59 PM
what about the bushnell licensed eotech? anything on them?

Scarecrow Repair
12-04-2006, 2:02 PM
I'd love to find something that doesn't take batteries.
The Aimpoint, or at least some of them, claim a battery life if 50,000 hours. You could leave it turned on pemanantly for almost six years.

Bladewurk
12-04-2006, 4:39 PM
The SPOT from Mounting Solutions is a good value. If you look around you can find a REAL made in Sweden Aimpoint 5000 (Blackhawk Down style)for $100. on Ebay or Such...but they eat batteries.I'd stay away from the Hakko TacPoints and Airsoft crud....

Prc329
12-04-2006, 4:59 PM
Midway USA is having a sale. $50 off $250 or more optics. The aimpoint compml2 is $329 with the coupon.

use code OPTIC25012

Bladewurk
12-04-2006, 5:05 PM
Aimpoint M2 with Rail Grabber mount for $250.,I think it is 98%...;)

http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/parts.cgi?read=183339

JPglee1
12-04-2006, 5:30 PM
As for cheap red dots, I've got a "Wally World" special in a 30mm tube from BSA and another BSA of the "open air" variety with a 4-reticle selector that I got on a fire sale from Midway USA. They work. They ain't EO Techs. I'm sure the Aimpoint blows them far, far away. But they were cheap, and they make decent "place holders" for the better optics with which I'll be replacing them.:)



Ive got a couple different cheapy red dots, they don't compare to an Aimpoint... Now that I've used an Aimpoint I can say 100% they are not even in the same neighborhood, let alone ball park haha. **** they aint even in the same time zone :D


The cheapy red-dots let the reticle "jump" all around in reference to your eye, the Aimpoint dot is rock solid, regardless of the viewing angle.

I used to love cheapo red-dots, but the difference IS truly amazing.



Jay

P.S. I saw some Eotechs in the new SGN for around $285 I think.... I know I saw an ad for one for $299.00 somewhere.

CA SHOOTER
12-04-2006, 6:32 PM
what about the bushnell licensed eotech? anything on them?

I have a Bushnell HoloSight on my KelTec SU16B and love it so far . Took about 20 shots to get dialed in and everyone that has shot it thinks it works great too . I got it new on ebay for around $170-190?

I'm now building an OLL and will swap over the Bushnell HoloSight till I can afford a Eotech 511.A65 . My OLL build is already sucking my bank acct dry :D .

*The HoloSight came with a 2yr warranty .

5968
12-04-2006, 8:12 PM
I have shot both, I personally perfer the Aimpoint M2. Both are really good sights. I guess it's more about which style you like better. I can testify to the fact that the batteries on an Aimpoint seem to last forever! My batteries have lasted a little over three years set on the lowest setting when not in use.

TACTICAL
12-04-2006, 8:15 PM
I've never tried an aimpoint but I mounted an eo-tech 552 on a A2 upper and was very impressed with how quick I can come back on target for a repeat shot. A riser was not necessary to get a good sight picture with the buis co-witnessed. You might be able to find a used one in your price range.

1hotshooter
12-04-2006, 9:47 PM
I have shot with Eotech 512 and 552.

I choose the Aimpoint Comp M3 hands down. I have the 3X Mag in front of the Comp M3 for extreme clarity.

I personally don't like the 65MOA ring with quadrant ticks, looks fuzzy.

One plus about the Eotechs is that they do not require any additional mounts. With the Aimpoint, the mount is another $125.00 (Arms 22M68).

They both have brightening features, long-lasting and very durable. Well worth every penny.

grywlfbg
12-04-2006, 10:45 PM
I have an EOTech 512 on my current rifle but I'm looking for options for my next build. Can someone comment on the difference between the ML2 and ML3? I can't tell from Aimpoint's website.

leelaw
12-04-2006, 10:51 PM
Check out OKO, I've heard only good things about them.

five.five-six
12-04-2006, 11:15 PM
+1 on EoTech and get a YHM flip up frront post

kap
12-07-2006, 7:51 PM
For anyone who might be interested Botach Tactical is having a promotion on EoTech sights. Don't know how long it will last though.

511 is $290
512 is $310
552 is $470
553 is $500

Free shipping too.

http://store.botachtactical.com/specialpromo.html

5968
12-07-2006, 8:18 PM
Basically the Aimpoints differ in body style and slightly in weight. I have the M2. It's one heck of a sight and worth every penny. I bought mine from SWFA. They had the best prices at the time and they have excellent customer service.

Prc329
12-08-2006, 6:08 PM
Anyone have any deals on Aimpoints? After playing with my knock off I want the real thing.

JPglee1
12-08-2006, 6:24 PM
Anyone have any deals on Aimpoints? After playing with my knock off I want the real thing.

How good is the knock off, is the reticle stable in your field of view, or does it move all around like those cheapie red-dots (BSA, NCSTAR, etc)


J

Prc329
12-08-2006, 6:29 PM
It is pretty stable. It just washes out in to much sunlight. You can not thread any type of diffuser on it.

Prc329
12-08-2006, 7:12 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/naytwan/Guns/IMG_0537.jpg

Best I could do right now.

Prc329
12-11-2006, 9:27 PM
Sorry to bring up an old tread but it seemed better then creating a new one. I found a used EOtech 511 for a good price. I am happier now.

alpine18
12-14-2006, 9:40 PM
Aimpoint M3/ML3 - leave the thing on for 5 years straight before you need to change the batteries - I think I change the battery in my watch more often than that. Of course, if you want to spend about $100 less, the M2/ML2 should stay on for about a year solid on one set of batteries.
I saw one of those fake aimpoints a while back... they look good, work fine, but they're just not the same - battery life is no where near the real thing. They have about 3 brightness levels and its luck to get it to turn off. I wouldn't care about the real aimpoint if it fell off a table onto a concrete floor, but I doubt the fake aimpoint would survive.

As long as you don't go dropping it or leaving it on, the fake aimpoint will function fine. But you will YEARN for the real thing. If you get a ML2/ML3, you'll then want the M2/M3 (even though you don't have a night vision device).

Be careful, the Aimpoint is the gateway drug to the ACOG.

WeThePeople
12-15-2006, 1:20 PM
The Nikon dot sight VSD has an adjustable dot size, 1, 4, 6, and 10 MOA. Waterproof, shockproof, fogproof and a good FOV. The sight has an integral mount on it.

For some reason, Nikon does not get a lot of press on this red dot, but it works great.

Made in Matte Black and Realtree camo. http://www.nikonsportoptics.com/product.php?group=16&subgroup=141&product=6614

shark92651
12-28-2006, 9:16 AM
The Nikon dot sight VSD has an adjustable dot size, 1, 4, 6, and 10 MOA. Waterproof, shockproof, fogproof and a good FOV. The sight has an integral mount on it.

For some reason, Nikon does not get a lot of press on this red dot, but it works great.

Made in Matte Black and Realtree camo. http://www.nikonsportoptics.com/product.php?group=16&subgroup=141&product=6614

opticsplanet.com reports that sight has been discontinued. How much was it?

Diablo
12-28-2006, 9:22 AM
Get the Eotech or at least try one. They are great and not expensive for what you get.

JGarrison
01-09-2007, 8:21 AM
The Nikon dot sight VSD has an adjustable dot size, 1, 4, 6, and 10 MOA. Waterproof, shockproof, fogproof and a good FOV. The sight has an integral mount on it.

For some reason, Nikon does not get a lot of press on this red dot, but it works great.

Made in Matte Black and Realtree camo. http://www.nikonsportoptics.com/product.php?group=16&subgroup=141&product=6614

Anyone have reports on this? Seems like a a pretty good setup, and Nikon makes quality stuff. They are around $300

http://www.usahuntingsupplies.com/detail.aspx?ID=2401

WeThePeople
01-09-2007, 12:49 PM
Anyone have reports on this? Seems like a a pretty good setup, and Nikon makes quality stuff. They are around $300

http://www.usahuntingsupplies.com/detail.aspx?ID=2401

I bought mine from SWFA. The adjustable MOA is a great feature. $300 seems about right. If SWFA doesn't list it on the web site, just call them and they'll get you one.

maschronic
01-09-2007, 12:54 PM
JP,

i was at metroshot on saturday and they had a trijicon reflex for 350. that is a pretty good price!! i would have bought it, but didn't have the cash.

just curious, does anybody here like trijicon?? or am i alone on this one? i'm saving up money for a trijicon acog 4x32.

proraptor
01-09-2007, 1:19 PM
I like trijicon but their prices are ridiculous

maschronic
01-09-2007, 3:00 PM
I like trijicon but their prices are ridiculous

i totally agree with you!!! they are expensive.

trackman
01-09-2007, 3:03 PM
Question here...How about the cheapestest (not typo) red dot site? I'm looking for a good one under $100. I just finished building an AR15 with Stag 1H upper (with handle). I'm thinking of getting a red dot site to mount on the handle.

Thanks