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BoJackUSMC
05-11-2011, 12:40 PM
I know few members in here are in the process of Border Patrol right now. I was just wondering about the CASS system. Mine says, "A review of your work experience and/or education has been completed and you have been found to be qualified at Grade 9." Is this mean when I get hire, I will start as GL-9?
thank you very much for your help and your time.
I am little confuse, I been told I qualify as GL-5 last month, but I just got this email now.

hawk1
05-11-2011, 1:51 PM
My understanding is that if a grade 5 job is offered, you can turn it down to wait for a grade 9 offer. Then question would be are you better off taking an opportunity offered or waiting for a grade 9 offer

edit to remove some info not needed.

BoJackUSMC
05-11-2011, 2:57 PM
thanks for the info

Axewound
05-11-2011, 8:40 PM
I'd call just to clarify. Take the 9 if you can.

Bunyfofu69
05-17-2011, 7:11 PM
you'll be offered at 9. but won't promote for 1 year. people at 5/7 promote after 6 months.

BoJackUSMC
05-17-2011, 9:29 PM
thank you for the infor Bunyfofu69
My CASS says I qualify for grade 9 and so did the twin center hiring process.
I just hope I get station at California.

HarrisonS004
05-20-2011, 12:25 PM
thank you for the infor Bunyfofu69
My CASS says I qualify for grade 9 and so did the twin center hiring process.
I just hope I get station at California.

Yeah dont we all haha. I figure its worth it to take anything you get though. Texas cant be that bad.... right?

Noah3683
05-20-2011, 12:39 PM
I've been told by a supervisor that it is pretty much standard procedure now that all incoming agents get stationed outside of their home state. It is supposedly a measure to reduce chances of fraud and corruption.

Noah3683
05-20-2011, 12:44 PM
Yeah dont we all haha. I figure its worth it to take anything you get though. Texas cant be that bad.... right?My buddy got sent to Falfurrias and says its a hell hole. His brother got Yuma, and another of our friends went to Nogales. That pretty much goes in line with what I was told and forced me to back out of the process due to shared custody. My daughter has to come first.

BoJackUSMC
05-20-2011, 12:56 PM
I been told first two years is the most difficult for new agents. I am willing to go anywhere they send me, but I can always hope and pray for California.

Noah3683
05-20-2011, 1:05 PM
I been told first two years is the most difficult for new agents. I am willing to go anywhere they send me, but I can always hope and pray for California.Well good luck to you, it's a great opportunity. I did the long distance custody split once, and gave it a $15,000 fight to get her back into California. I couldn't do it again even for the career. I figured it was easier to back out sooner than to go through it all and get sent to BFE afterward.

BoJackUSMC
05-20-2011, 1:19 PM
Do they like the job so far? How is it to transfer to different location?
I been also told many border patrol agents end up transferring to different federal agencies like ATF, DEA, Marshal and etc..

Noah3683
05-20-2011, 1:42 PM
Well my friend in Falfurrias is actually in the process of transferring into ICE. His brother and our other friend absolutely love it. I think the location really got to my buddy more than anything

Axewound
05-20-2011, 2:08 PM
Go where the action is.
BP is a good stepping stone for other agencies.

DesertGunner
05-20-2011, 5:54 PM
I been told first two years is the most difficult for new agents. I am willing to go anywhere they send me, but I can always hope and pray for California.

This is completely untrue. I've heard they used to have some policy like this many years ago. But it certainly isn't true now.

Jack L
05-20-2011, 7:36 PM
I visit my friends in Ajo, AZ., and Why, AZ., a few times a year. The area there is loaded with BP. I mean loaded (hundreds if not more). Check out the stats, building giant building complex for BP in Why, AZ. Anyway I have met many of them and they they hate it down there. If you know the area it is remote and used as a corridor for smuggling. A huge Indian reservation is in that area on the border. None I met were happy and their wives would not live there. And they were not all from AZ.

They are very happy they have a job and all say in a few years they will get to transfer. That's all I know from first hand experience..

I really like it down there in the winter but you have to be a desert person.

Takes a while to load but check the size of the Tohono o' Odham reservation and all the open space for illegals, coyotes, smuggling mules and who knows what else to walk across.

http://www.land.state.az.us/images/maps/stateimage.pdf

Beagle
05-20-2011, 9:07 PM
It sounds like on your application you put down that you were willing to accept a GL-5 position?

I know for other job series they almost always offer the lowest position and I really don't see any reason to offer a higher grade since they get plenty of applicants. So if you turn down a GL-5/7 position there is no guarantee they will offer you a GL-9 position later down the road.

Just my opinion, personally I would take the GL-5 position unless you already have a high paying job and can't position live on a GL-5 salary for a short time.

BoJackUSMC
05-21-2011, 6:39 AM
I am willing to take any level, but I can always pray and hope for GL 9 since I qualify for it.

Beagle
05-21-2011, 8:39 AM
What I meant is the GL-5 offer isn't there forever meaning you have to accept it by a certain time.

BoJackUSMC
05-21-2011, 9:23 AM
I know, but I have not received the offer yet. I am still in the background check process. However, they did qualify me as grade 9 according to the hiring center.

veeklog
05-21-2011, 9:42 AM
Sending people out of their own state is bunch of crap? Pre 1995 I would say that you were right on that because the INS wanted to make sure there were no problems with corruption, which was a load of BS anyway. I knew about a lot of PA's that got in trouble that weren't from the duty station they got sent to. After Operation Goatherder, er, I mean Gatekeeper got enacted they stopped that stupid policy and began to give people a choice where they wanted to get sent to. Are you telling me that they are going to send every potential BP and CBP officer applicant to South Texas/Arizona/New Mexico if you were from California? Please. When the Border Patrol was 2000 or even 6000 strong, that could happen. But now they are 20000 strong. The only ones that you really don't know where you will after graduation is the DEA or FBI.

tony270
05-21-2011, 11:01 AM
I'm not a LEO.

The Human Resource Office reviewed your job experience and they rated/qualified you at the GL-09 level, GL-09 is a Supervisor lever position. When you applied for the position there was a question on what grade you would accept, you might have selected GL5. If you did you should go back and change that to say that you are willing to accept anything from GL-05 to GL-09.

Then you’ll have a better chance at being considered for higher level positions. I know, some positions read GL-05/09. Those positions are open continually for the most part, if you’re selected for one of those you could start off at whatever level they offer, most likely GS-07.

Positions that have opening and closing dates for the most part only hire at the level they are announced at, but not all. If the announcement says GL-05/GL-09, the highly qualified people for the most part will start off at the GL-07 level, but not all the time.

I've had 9 different Government Positions, I've appllied more than a few times.

I know few members in here are in the process of Border Patrol right now. I was just wondering about the CASS system. Mine says, "A review of your work experience and/or education has been completed and you have been found to be qualified at Grade 9." Is this mean when I get hire, I will start as GL-9?
thank you very much for your help and your time.
I am little confuse, I been told I qualify as GL-5 last month, but I just got this email now.

veeklog
05-21-2011, 1:01 PM
A GL-09 is not a supervisor position with the Border Patrol. A first line supervisor is a GS-13 position. I don't even know what a GL series is because I got hired under the GS pay scale. You can get hired as a GL-09 if you fall under a certain criteria, like an outstnding scholar, educational experiencen law enforcement, etc.I know one of my BP classmates got hired as a GS-09 because he was in Phd program.

Beagle
05-21-2011, 4:56 PM
GL is for law enforcement up to GL-10 then it convert to GS after that. GL is a little more than GS.

veeklog
05-22-2011, 9:41 AM
I didn't even know what a GL series was or when OPM converted over. I was initially hired with BP as a GS-05/01, and on paper my starting salary was "drum roll:" $27,500 USD a year. That was all on paper, since they didn't add locality pay or AUO. We had a guest speaker in college that was an ATF agent, and she said if you survived your first year working for the Federal Government you would okay. Boy, was she right!I ate a lot of Taco Bell and Top Ramen my first year as a trainee. Felt a lot like I didn't leave college.

veeklog
05-22-2011, 9:42 AM
Double Tap; stupid Blackberry!

tony270
05-22-2011, 7:14 PM
Hi.

I have 33 years of Government service, and GS-13 is not a first line supervisor, GS-13 is more like a Deputy Director or Second Line Supervisory position. I've held several supervisor positions and lost them due to base closers.

DOD Police Supervisors/Leaders could start out at the GS-07 level and the Border Patrol isn’t that much different. I knew what the GL acronym stood for because I've come across GL jobs announcements while surfing the USAJOB's web site. I guess LE can still retire at 50.

Did you know that persons selected for GS/GL-12 positions and above have to be approved by Congress?

A GL-09 is not a supervisor position with the Border Patrol. A first line supervisor is a GS-13 position. I don't even know what a GL series is because I got hired under the GS pay scale. You can get hired as a GL-09 if you fall under a certain criteria, like an outstnding scholar, educational experiencen law enforcement, etc.I know one of my BP classmates got hired as a GS-09 because he was in Phd program.

veeklog
05-22-2011, 8:11 PM
Hi.

I have 33 years of Government service, and GS-13 is not a first line supervisor, GS-13 is more like a Deputy Director or Second Line Supervisory position. I've held several supervisor positions and lost them due to base closers.

DOD Police Supervisors/Leaders could start out at the GS-07 level and the Border Patrol isn’t that much different. I knew what the GL acronym stood for because I've come across GL jobs announcements while surfing the USAJOB's web site. I guess LE can still retire at 50.

Did you know that persons selected for GS/GL-12 positions and above have to be approved by Congress?

I was a GS-09/04 and literally got ONE paycheck as a GS-11 journeyman when we got our across the board GS-11 status when I left Border Patrol close to ten years ago. Today I am a GS-13/05 Journeyman 1811 Special Agent, and like all 1811's, we come under the Executive Branch.

BP and CBP officers got their GS-12 Journeyman status close to two months ago. First line BP supervisors are now GS-13 with FLSA. How do I know this? I just had dinner with an acting BP Assistant Chief Patrol Agent less than three hours ago. Here's the link and announcement from the CBP website: http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/careers/customs_careers/border_careers/bp_agent/faqs_working_for_the_usbp.xml

"Q: What are the grades and salary levels?

A: Entry level is at grade GL-5, GL-7 or GL-9, depending on qualifications. Upon successful completion of the 6Ĺ-month probationary examination, individuals hired at the GL-5 level are eligible for promotion to grade GL-7, and individuals hired at GL-7 are eligible for promotion to GL-9. Career progression to the GS-11 and GS-12 generally follows after one year at the preceding lower grade level (GL-9/GS-11). Positions above the GS-12 level are filled through agency merit promotion competition. Entry-level Agents are entitled to special salary rates for law enforcement officers, and may be entitled to special locality pay. Information on the current salary schedule is available from your local Office of Personnel Management, from any Human Resources Office, or on the Internet at Office of Personnel Management. ( Office of Personnel Management )"

DOD Police is completely different animal than CBP, Border Patrol, or any 1811 position with HSI, DEA, ATF, FBI, Secret Service, Etc. A lot of Federal agencies like DOD Police, Postal Police (not the same as Postal Inspectors), Bureau of Prisons (Journeyman level is a GS-08), etc get screwed big time.

DesertGunner
05-22-2011, 8:43 PM
Hi.

I have 33 years of Government service, and GS-13 is not a first line supervisor, GS-13 is more like a Deputy Director or Second Line Supervisory position. I've held several supervisor positions and lost them due to base closers.



FAIL.

Border Patrol agents are Journeyman GS-12, as of last August.

First and Second-line supervisors are GS-13.

SIP2000GLO
05-22-2011, 11:40 PM
^^^^^^Correct.

tony270
05-23-2011, 4:58 AM
I'm not going to debate this issue, if anyone wants to see what a GL-12 is, go to the USAJOB's web site and search for the supervisor GL positions, then select a GL-12 then and scroll down to the “Job Responsibilities and Duties”, you see it states that a GL-12 is a 2nd line supervisor.

Furthermore a GL-09 is a Captain GL (General Law Enforcement), government LE has always had a much lower base pay than their civilian counterpart. I don't wnat to post links that prove my point, do your own searches.

veeklog
05-23-2011, 5:53 AM
I don't need to look at OPM website; all I have to do is look at my LES' and SF-50's from INS, USCS, and now DHS for the past thirteen years. I posted CBP's link to the commonly asked questions which explains everything most trainees ask. Also, there is the "Unofficial Border Patrol" website run by a retired BP/INS Special Agent if more questions are needed.

To get back to the OP's orginal question, the answer is "yes," you can be hired as a GL-09, as per CBP guidelines. Will they offer you the position as a GL-09? It's up to the bean counters in DC. If they offer you a GL-07 in a ideal location duty, it will be up to you if you want to position or wait out for a GL-09.

tony270
05-23-2011, 7:04 AM
Hi veeklog.

I didn’t need to look either, but I looked to make sure things hadn’t change with the GL designation compared to GS (General Schedule). I can be wrong, but I wasn’t.

veeklog
05-23-2011, 8:49 AM
Hi veeklog.

I didnít need to look either, but I looked to make sure things hadnít change with the GL designation compared to GS (General Schedule). I can be wrong, but I wasnít.

I think you are getting way off track from the original question that was asked by BoJackUSMC. CBP/Twin Cities said that under their guidelines he is eligible to be hired as GL-09. For the Border Patrol, the GL05/07/09 are consider ENTRY level positions, period. For your agency, a GL-09 is a supervisory position, not for the Border Patrol; first line supervisors are now GS-13's (formally GS-12's). The Border Patrol still gets 6C Law Enforcement Retirement because it is considered law enforcement; Border Patrol Agents used to be Border Patrol Inspectors, and Congress changed their titles to Agents so they could get the 6C Law Enforcement Retirement pay/benefits.

I admit I didn't know what a GL series was; I first heard about it back in 2008 from one of my trainees. I really didn't care what it meant because I was already a 13. I thought it was only for trainees so they could get rid of them if they didn't make their probation after two years.

As for your 33 years of Government Service, I commend you for your time and service. But the truth is that I started my Government career as a Border Patrol Agent, and had the displeasure of going to Glynco twice: once for the Border Patrol Academy in the late 90's and the second time going through CITP/CBES in 2002. So, I was Series 1895 Immigration Officer/Border Patrol Agent and spent my time driving a beat up lime green Bronco. When was the last time, besides this board, that you spoke to a Border Patrol Agent? The next time you talk to one, ask him/her what their journeyman level is and what is the first line supervisor.

The bottom line that we are here to help applicants like BoJackUSMC and others that aspire to be in the Border Patrol or may later want to jump to a 1811 criminal investigator position. I can't tell someone what's it like to be a Sheriff's Deputy in the jails because I never worked there. But I am answering on a subject that I know all too well.

I posted links to both CBP's Official website and the Unofficial Border Patrol website, honorfirst.com. Any questions about the Border Patrol could be answered on that site, from hiring, academy questions, duty stations, firearms, history of the Border Patrol, FTO's, etc. In closing, all I want to point out is that the last thing applicants need to hear is misinformation because it is a long process, and every day waiting for the call/Fed Ex Package is painful. Let's help them out and make the process less strenuous.

Just my two cents.

tony270
05-23-2011, 9:21 AM
Thanks you for your service too.

I believe GL-09 positions are reserved for people with a Federal competitive status, that makes GL-09 far from an entry level position. You can find more information at the USAJOB's site, if you want I'll post that too. Please see the bold words in the quote below:

http://borderpatrolacademy.com/cass.html
The Central Applicant Self Service (CASS), a Web-based application available to U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), and United States Citizenship and Immigration Service (USCIS) job applicants via the CBP public Web site, was moved back into production on March 6, 2006, at the request of the Office of Human Resources Management (HRM). This system was originally built for HRM in 2002 and has been off-line over the last year or so at the direction of HRM. The latest version of the application includes modest enhancements requested by HRM and synchronizes CASS data with the Interactive Voice Response System (or "IVR") used by HRM at their Minneapolis, Minnesota, HRM field office. The data for CASS is provided by that same office.
The system provides entry-level applicants (GS-05/07) with the status of their job applications with CBP, ICE, or USCIS on-line via the web. CASS data is limited to the following job titles:
• Adjudication Officer
• Ag Specialist
• Border Patrol Agent
• CBP Officer
• Criminal Investigator
• Deportation Officer
• Detention Enforcement Officer
• Immigration Agent
• Marine Enforcement Officer, and
• Pilot
If you applied for an entry-level position for one or more of these jobs, you can see the status of these requirements: pre-employment forms, qualifications, medical exams, fitness test, structured interview, drug screening, background investigation, and schedule report date. You also have access to a Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ’s) document, which provides more specific details on the application process.
Please note that you will not be in the system until you have been referred on a certificate, selected and issued a Tentative Selection Letter. ( Central Applicant Self-Service (CASS) Program )

DesertGunner
05-23-2011, 9:28 PM
Thanks you for your service too.

I believe GL-09 positions are reserved for people with a Federal competitive status, that makes GL-09 far from an entry level position. You can find more information at the USAJOB's site, if you want I'll post that too. Please see the bold words in the quote below:

http://borderpatrolacademy.com/cass.html


GL-9 is NOT reserved for people with competitive status. However, someone probabably wouldn't qualify for it without prior LE experience. If someone does, more power to them.

I just want to add in case it's not clear to people applying, if you are hired as GL5 or 7, you will be promoted six months after entering on duty, then you will go up one grade each year until you reach the full performance level of GS-12.

Axewound
05-23-2011, 11:24 PM
That sums it up along with what veeklog has said

tony270
05-24-2011, 5:42 AM
Without a contract there’s no way you will get promoted like that. You can get to GL-07 automatically but not higher.

It all depends on your performance. What you will get is step increases, and that depends on your performance too, GL has 10 steps, 1 to 10 (GL-05/07/09---setp 1-10. If you get a contract that says you will get grade increase like that then you will, but that needs to be in writing.


Don’t get a step increase confused with a cost of living increase raise (COLA). For the most part GL-09 positions are for employees with a Competitive Status. You’ll never get GL-09/GL-12 automatically, if you did, who would be the supervisor? Like I've already wrote, I've held 9 different Government Positions, so I'm quite familiar with the hiring system.


GL-9 is NOT reserved for people with competitive status. However, someone probabably wouldn't qualify for it without prior LE experience. If someone does, more power to them.

I just want to add in case it's not clear to people applying, if you are hired as GL5 or 7, you will be promoted six months after entering on duty, then you will go up one grade each year until you reach the full performance level of GS-12.

Bunyfofu69
05-24-2011, 10:15 AM
Without a contract thereís no way you will get promoted like that. You can get to GL-07 automatically but not higher.

It all depends on your performance. What you will get is step increases, and that depends on your performance too, GL has 10 steps, 1 to 10 (GL-05/07/09---setp 1-10. If you get a contract that says you will get grade increase like that then you will, but that needs to be in writing.


Donít get a step increase confused with a cost of living increase raise (COLA). For the most part GL-09 positions are for employees with a Competitive Status. Youíll never get GL-09/GL-12 automatically, if you did, who would be the supervisor? Like I've already wrote, I've held 9 different Government Positions, so I'm quite familiar with the hiring system.

1st promotion in 6.5 months. Yearly GRADE increases to full potential 12. supervisors are 13.

Its in writing.

veeklog
05-24-2011, 12:51 PM
Without a contract thereís no way you will get promoted like that. You can get to GL-07 automatically but not higher.

It all depends on your performance. What you will get is step increases, and that depends on your performance too, GL has 10 steps, 1 to 10 (GL-05/07/09---setp 1-10. If you get a contract that says you will get grade increase like that then you will, but that needs to be in writing.


Donít get a step increase confused with a cost of living increase raise (COLA). For the most part GL-09 positions are for employees with a Competitive Status. Youíll never get GL-09/GL-12 automatically, if you did, who would be the supervisor? Like I've already wrote, I've held 9 different Government Positions, so I'm quite familiar with the hiring system.

Okay, through all this thread I have been trying to be the voice of reason, stating known facts that only a PA would know and even posting CBP's own website for fact verification. After reading the insanity that I just read, I have come to the conclusion that I need to ask the following

Tony270, please answer the following questions:

(1) Were you at any time in your 33 years of government service a United States Border Patrol Agent? At this time are you still a PA, and if you retired, when did you retire?
(2) What was your class number, and where did you go through the academy? Were you able to complete the academy?
(3) What was your first duty station?
(4) If you made it through the academy, did you pass either your 6 1/2 month or ten month exams?
(5) Do you know any Border Patrol Agents that are still working now, and did you in fact ask them what their journeyman/first line supervisor grades are?

Tony 270, if you cannot answer ALL these questions that I posed to you then I can say that you do NOT know what you are talking, therefore trolling in order to incite people. I don't care if you have 33 years or 33 days in government service, but there are former and active Border Patrol Agents that have attempted to tell you politely that you are wrong and you don't know what you are talking about!!!

I have tried to get back on topic and answer the questions posed by the OP with the utmost respect and dignity because like I said earlier, our job is to inform future applicants, educate them on the hiring process, and what to expect after they are hired. Moderator, if this thread is locked I do apologize. It was never my intention to have this thread locked, but I guess the ex-PA in me got fustrated and lost his cool.

Beagle
05-24-2011, 2:17 PM
I'm not going to debate this issue, if anyone wants to see what a GL-12 is, go to the USAJOB's web site and search for the supervisor GL positions, then select a GL-12 then and scroll down to the “Job Responsibilities and Duties”, you see it states that a GL-12 is a 2nd line supervisor.

Furthermore a GL-09 is a Captain GL (General Law Enforcement),government LE has always had a much lower base pay than their civilian counterpart. I don't wnat to post links that prove my point, do your own searches.

Right.........except GL-12 doesn't exist.

First line supervisor is GS-13 and the announcement on usajobs that you saw was for a GS-13 2nd line supervisor. That means that first line and 2nd line supervisors are receiving the same pay. Of course the 2nd line sup has a little more authority or maybe a lot who knows? But they both qualify to apply for GS-14.

Perhap the agency with a Captain receiving GL-9 pay receive a much lower base pay then their civilian counterpart but not with DHS.

Were any of those 9 positions in INS/Customs/DHS?

tony270
05-24-2011, 2:22 PM
I donít have time for silly games or name calling. Here you go, boom:

http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/Search.aspx?lid=316&rad_units=miles&brd=3876&pp=25&sort=rv%2c-dtex&jbf522=1896&jbf785=5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13&vw=b&re=134&FedEmp=Y&FedPub=Y&caller=advanced.aspx

Job Title: Supervisory Border Patrol Agent
Department: Department Of Homeland Security
Agency: Customs and Border Protection
Job Announcement Number: MHCBPMP-477483-KLF


SALARY RANGE: $68,809.00 - $106,369.00 /year
OPEN PERIOD: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 to Wednesday, June 01, 2011
SERIES & GRADE: GS-1896-12/13
POSITION INFORMATION: Full Time Career/Career Conditional
PROMOTION POTENTIAL: 13
DUTY LOCATIONS: few vacancies - Lordsburg Station. Lordsburg, NM; few vacancies - Ajo Station. Ajo, AZ; few vacancies - Douglas Station. Douglas, AZ
WHO MAY BE CONSIDERED: Current U.S. Customs and Border Protection employees with competitive status


JOB SUMMARY:
CBP Securing America's Borders:
Whether on the frontlines or serving behind the scenes supporting our mission, the men and women of CBP are dedicated to keeping America safe. CBP counts on them. Our Nation counts on them. Can we count on you?

Duties
As a first-line Supervisory Border Patrol Agent you will serve as a primary law enforcement officer (under 5 U.S.C. 8331 (6C) and 8412 (d) and be responsible for ē directing assignments of subordinate agents and specialized units that perform Border Patrol functions, and station operations. directing activities aimed at preventing the illegal entry of aliens into the United States by land, water, or air seeking out and apprehending smugglers or aliens who are illegally in the United States enforcing the criminal provisions of the Immigration and Nationality laws, all normal functions involved in supervising personnel, including the approval of leave, resolve disciplinary problems, and preparing annual performance appraisals
***The duties described above are the general duties of a first-line Supervisory Border Patrol Agent. Your duties may be more specific depending on the position you apply to and are selected for.

QUALIFICATIONS REQUIRED:
Basic Qualification Requirements: The basic qualification requirements include experience in law enforcement or other responsible work that demonstrates the ability to make arrests and exercise sound judgment in the use of firearms; to deal effectively with individuals or persons in a courteous, tactful manner; and to analyze information rapidly and make prompt decisions.
AND
GS-12: You qualify at the GS-12 level if you meet the basic qualification requirements and possess one (1) year of specialized experience. The specialized experience includes interpreting and enforcing immigration or comparable laws, rules, and regulations and performing intelligence, prosecutions, investigations, anti-smuggling, and other work of comparable difficulty related to Border Patrol operations.
GS-13: You qualify at the GS-13 level if you meet the basic qualification requirements and possess one (1) year of specialized experience. The specialized experience includes interpreting and enforcing immigration or comparable laws, rules, and regulations and performing intelligence, prosecutions, investigations, anti-smuggling, identifying operational problems, devising solutions, ensuring compliance of enforcement and operational practices, and apprises management of deficiencies or noted problems.
Knowledge, Skills, Abilities and Other Characteristics (KSAOs):
Candidates who meet the minimum qualification requirements are required to possess certain Knowledge, Skills, Abilities, or Other Characteristics (KSAOs) to successfully perform the functions of this position. The KSAOs are:
ē Knowledge of Immigration and Nationality Laws
ē Knowledge of proper law enforcement methods
ē Skill in analyzing disparate facts, events, and other types of intelligence material
ē Skill in using a variety of automated information systems to gather information for intelligence, enforcement, prosecutions, and to facilitate decision making
NOTE: Agents who are selected and receive a fully funded relocation with this announcement will be ineligible for one year to apply for another reassignment.
NOTE: You cannot apply for a lateral reassignment if you have received a paid move within the past year.

tony270
05-24-2011, 2:24 PM
By the way I'm a WG-10-2823 Automotive Mechanic, far from being retired, but I could if I wanted to. I'm one of the last few who will go out under the old CSRS.

Beagle
05-24-2011, 2:28 PM
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/careers/customs_careers/border_careers/bp_agent/faqs_working_for_the_usbp.xml#PayandBenefits

Q: What are the grades and salary levels?
A: Entry level is at grade GL-5, GL-7 or GL-9, depending on qualifications. Upon successful completion of the 6Ĺ-month probationary examination, individuals hired at the GL-5 level are eligible for promotion to grade GL-7, and individuals hired at GL-7 are eligible for promotion to GL-9. Career progression to the GS-11 and GS-12 generally follows after one year at the preceding lower grade level (GL-9/GS-11). Positions above the GS-12 level are filled through agency merit promotion competition. Entry-level Agents are entitled to special salary rates for law enforcement officers, and may be entitled to special locality pay. Information on the current salary schedule is available from your local Office of Personnel Management, from any Human Resources Office, or on the Internet at Office of Personnel Management.

Nice you just ignored my last message GS-13 is first and 2nd line supervisor. For a automotive mechanic you seem to think you know a lot about LEO pay. Unless of course you're a mechanic in DHS.

tony270
05-24-2011, 2:32 PM
Hey Beagle, why the nit-picking?
I can post a GS/GL 12 Second Line STUPERVISOR if I search for it; it was up the other day. We are talking about automatically moving up and becoming a GL-09/13, that's BS.

Bunyfofu69
05-24-2011, 2:34 PM
Don't forget to add the 25% AUO and FLSA (7%).

tony270
05-24-2011, 2:50 PM
Hea Beagle, this is for you:
A: Entry level is at grade GL-5, GL-7 or GL-9, depending on qualifications.
A promotion from GL-05/07/09 depends on your qualifications, it’s not automatic
Upon successful completion of the 6Ĺ-month probationary examination, individuals hired at the GL-5 level are eligible for promotion to grade GL-7, and individuals hired at GL-7 are eligible for promotion to GL-9.
And this is saying you are ELIGIBLE for a promotion, not that you will be promoted.


“Career progression to the GS-11 and GS-12 generally follows after one year at the preceding lower grade level (GL-9/GS-11)”.
And this is saying Generally, generally is closed but no cigar.

Positions above the GS-12 level are filled through agency merit promotion competition. Entry-level Agents are entitled to special salary rates for law enforcement officers, and may be entitled to special locality pay. Information on the current salary schedule is available from your local Office of Personnel Management, from any Human Resources Office, or on the Internet at Office of Personnel Management.

Bunyfofu69
05-24-2011, 3:14 PM
My promotions were automatic. Didn't even know I got promoted till I saw my direct deposit. Only time I knew I went up in grade is when I moved to 13. THAT, I had to test and interview for.

Different world from mechanics.

Beagle
05-24-2011, 3:18 PM
Hi.

I have 33 years of Government service, and GS-13 is not a first line supervisor, GS-13 is more like a Deputy Director or Second Line Supervisory position.

Cool I feel special but really though some GS-13 are normal regular positions

I've held several supervisor positions and lost them due to base closers.

That's why I quit applying for DOD positions 4 years ago.
How about some GS-13 aren't even supervisor

DOD Police Supervisors/Leaders could start out at the GS-07 level and the Border Patrol isnít that much different.

Yes big different between DOD and DHS.

I knew what the GL acronym stood for because I've come across GL jobs announcements while surfing the USAJOB's web site. I guess LE can still retire at 50.

Did you know that persons selected for GS/GL-12 positions and above have to be approved by Congress?

What?

Not nit picking just setting the record straight

Noah3683
05-24-2011, 3:45 PM
All 3 of my friends CURRENTLY in Border Patrol have responded to me in in correlation with Veeklog, Beagle, and bunyfofu69. Seems you are wrong tony regardless of what you find on usajobs. They also said they were all unaware of their promotions ahead of time and were automatically upgraded. It seems to me if you don't make the criteria for the promotion, you probably wouldn't even still be there when that time came around.

jeff762
05-24-2011, 5:31 PM
By the way I'm a WG-10-2823 Automotive Mechanic, far from being retired, but I could if I wanted to. I'm one of the last few who will go out under the old CSRS.

i'm one of them too at scm. are you at indio?

HisOwnHero
05-24-2011, 7:54 PM
I know few members in here are in the process of Border Patrol right now. I was just wondering about the CASS system. Mine says, "A review of your work experience and/or education has been completed and you have been found to be qualified at Grade 9." Is this mean when I get hire, I will start as GL-9?
thank you very much for your help and your time.
I am little confuse, I been told I qualify as GL-5 last month, but I just got this email now.

Here is the voice of reason and the answer to your question...

You will START the academy at the GS-9 level if that is what you have been approved for. Currently, the wait for this job depending on how far you are along in the process can be two years or more. Once you pass all phases of the process, you will be put in what is known as TSU (Training and Scheduling Unit). You will wait a long time to hear from them with an academy date so don't get impatient. Once you are offered an academy date, they will also offer a station. You can then accept or decline. If you accept, you will be scheduled to take a pre academy fitness test. If you pass this test you will be expected to report to your assigned Sector Headquarters for 2 days of filling out paperwork. You will then sent by the Border Patrol from Sector Headquarters to the academy. Once there, the academy is 12 weeks. If you do not speak Spanish, you will have to stay for another 8 weeks for the Spanish portion. ALL of your required equipment right down to the boots you wear will be issued to you there unlike some departments that require you to purchase your own duty belt/uniform etc.

Upon graduating from both the academy and the Spanish portion, you will be given "x" amount of time to return to your home, get your things and report to your station. Usually a few days to a week. Once you report to your station, you will be assigned to the FTU (Field Training Unit). You will be in the Field Training Unit riding with an FTO and other new Trainees for approximately 12 weeks. If your FTO(s) feel that you are competent to go to the field, you will be put into a regular schedule and you will be out working the line. You will be assigned a senior Agent(s) that will watch over you in the field and be your mentor but for the most part you will be working on your own. With the GS-9 pay, you will not be eligible to advance to the GS-11 level until you have a year in. Everyone however, will be a GS-12 by the time they have 3-4 years in. You will just get there a little faster then your classmates. If you have any questions about the Border Patrol or the process please PM me or feel free to ask me questions on here.

When I started in law enforcement, I frequented a lot of forums and there were a lot of "arm chair Cops" that were not Cops giving bad advice and posing as law enforcement because they could never really get hired, pass the academy or do the job period.

Hopefully you will be able to sort through the b.s. posts and find some useful information. To those of you posing as LEO's that aren't, remember that doing so is in fact a crime and people HAVE been arrested for it.

fmxmyway
05-24-2011, 11:54 PM
Go where the action is.
BP is a good stepping stone for other agencies.

I was told that you have a good chance of doing a bi lateral transfer to the DEA as long as you meet all the requirements and they are obviously hiring at the time. Is there any validity to this assertion?

Bunyfofu69
05-25-2011, 4:00 AM
I was told that you have a good chance of doing a bi lateral transfer to the DEA as long as you meet all the requirements and they are obviously hiring at the time. Is there any validity to this assertion?

No validity. There is no lateral option.

retired
05-25-2011, 12:11 PM
Tony, like the other leo thread concerning carrying an unloaded handgun in a locked trunk, you were dispensing information that was incorrect and yet you persisted to insist you were correct and the leos who posted were wrong.

It wasn't until I showed you by copying/pasting the law from the California Firearms booklet and what 12026.1 actually said that you admitted you were wrong.

I have no knowledge about the BP in particular and the Federal Govt. jobs in general, but it certainly seems those who are BP agents or who were BP agents know what they are talking about and you are not correct.

In any case, I hope the OP is able to glean the information they wanted from the correct posts here.

I am closing this thread for two reasons:

1. I believe the OP has had their question answered.

2. This thread has devolved into a needless back and forth argument and if I were the OP I would rely on the agents here; not a Fed. mechanic, no matter how much time on the job.