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Latin Railroader
11-30-2006, 5:45 PM
I searched and found some info and some think its legal and some don't think it is found someone that will send me this rifle but I don't know if its legal or not thanks

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q17/latinrailroader/pix4079430829.jpg

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q17/latinrailroader/pix4079430688.jpg

blkA4alb
11-30-2006, 5:48 PM
Edit: Disregard the below info if it is a .22 Rimfire.

If that receiver is not listed, then it is not legal in that configuration.

That rifle is a centerfire, semiautomatic rifle with a detachable magazine and a thumbhole stock. Which means it is banned by features under SB-23.

12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.

To make that rifle california legal you would either have to pin a 10 round magazine in it, or you could fill the thumbhole stock in as another member on the forum has done.

leelaw
11-30-2006, 5:54 PM
Edit: Disregard the below info if it is a .22 Rimfire.

If that receiver is not listed, then it is not legal in that configuration.

That rifle is a centerfire, semiautomatic rifle with a detachable magazine and a thumbhole stock. Which means it is banned by features under SB-23.

12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.

To make that rifle california legal you would either have to pin a 10 round magazine in it, or you could fill the thumbhole stock in as another member on the forum has done.


.22 is rimfire.

If the rifle pictured is also rimfire, it is good to go as-is.

blkA4alb
11-30-2006, 5:55 PM
.22 is rimfire.

If the rifle pictured is also rimfire, it is good to go as-is.
I know ;) .

Edit: Disregard the below info if it is a .22 Rimfire.

I covered myself :) .

Ford8N
11-30-2006, 6:58 PM
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=59

Centerfire doesn't believe you. :(

M14Gunman
11-30-2006, 7:07 PM
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=59

Centerfire doesn't believe you. :(


Thats because the name of the business is "centerfire" therefor no matter what you buy.. its a "centerfire" rifle... even an airpistol.... ;)

leelaw
11-30-2006, 7:23 PM
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=59

Centerfire doesn't believe you. :(

Centerfire is playing CYA. So is Southern Ohio Gun.

Find an intermediate FFL out of state who will order, receive, and send it to your in-state FFL.

Latin Railroader
11-30-2006, 7:50 PM
Actually I have some one from out of state that will send it straight to my ffl now all I have to do is ask Ades to see if he would do the transfer for me thanks

fred40
11-30-2006, 7:53 PM
classic arms had some of these for $229. I called them up and they told me will ship to cali, but they were out of stock. call them up they might have gotten a new order in.

Latin Railroader
11-30-2006, 7:57 PM
Thanks hey I will give them a call tomorrow and see what they say

fred40
12-01-2006, 5:55 PM
Thanks hey I will give them a call tomorrow and see what they say
any luck?

Vigilante
12-01-2006, 6:49 PM
any luck?
Yeah I'm curious too. I saw that thing in Centerfire's catalog and thought that it would be cool to have.

Latin Railroader
12-04-2006, 7:14 PM
Sorry guys called them and they said they wont ship to Calif

fred40
12-04-2006, 8:28 PM
Sorry guys called them and they said they wont ship to Calif
they told me they will.I guess they got scared now......chickens!

jemaddux
12-04-2006, 8:28 PM
If you want one order it from http://www.classicarms.us/ I have one sitting here for a customer. Called DOJ just for the record and they said .22LR is a rim fire and would not be considered a AW.

Ford8N
12-05-2006, 5:11 AM
If you want one order it from http://www.classicarms.us/ I have one sitting here for a customer. Called DOJ just for the record and they said .22LR is a rim fire and would not be considered a AW.

Did you get that in writing? Because that would go along way in convincing the companys that sell the rimfire.

jemaddux
12-05-2006, 6:28 AM
Did you get that in writing? Because that would go along way in convincing the companys that sell the rimfire.


It could be done with no problem. All someone has to do or I will, is write a fast letter asking but the problem is the normally don't respond for a couple months. The place I posted has no problem sending them with ten round mags:D .

69Mach1
12-05-2006, 8:30 AM
If you want one order it from http://www.classicarms.us/ I have one sitting here for a customer. Called DOJ just for the record and they said .22LR is a rim fire and would not be considered a AW.

Hi Jemaddux. How exactly did you ask that question? This is a complete turn around in their opinion on the AK22's specifically made in Romania. One DOJ agent told my FFL that they're illegal because they "could be converted to fire centerfire". I know you would win in court, but we're talking about the opinions of the DOJ.

jemaddux
12-05-2006, 9:03 AM
Hi Jemaddux. How exactly did you ask that question? This is a complete turn around in their opinion on the AK22's specifically made in Romania. One DOJ agent told my FFL that they're illegal because they "could be converted to fire centerfire". I know you would win in court, but we're talking about the opinions of the DOJ.


And an AR can be converted to full auto, the action of doing so is illegal but owning a firearm that could be is not. I gave them the model and stated it was a 22LR firearm and they stated it is not a centerfire therefore not illegal to sell. Like I said, order it from the link I gave you. They have no problem sending them here and I am already on file with them if you need a tranfer dealer. I will call in a couple minutes and get a letter to post for people.:cool:

69Mach1
12-05-2006, 9:23 AM
And an AR can be converted to full auto, the action of doing so is illegal but owning a firearm that could be is not. I gave them the model and stated it was a 22LR firearm and they stated it is not a centerfire therefore not illegal to sell. Like I said, order it from the link I gave you. They have no problem sending them here and I am already on file with them if you need a tranfer dealer. I will call in a couple minutes and get a letter to post for people.:cool:


Thanks for the details jemaddux. I look forward to seeing that letter, and as to your transfer offer, it's not neccessary. Just because their opinion was bad, didn't mean it was illegal to do.;)

jemaddux
12-05-2006, 9:25 AM
And an AR can be converted to full auto, the action of doing so is illegal but owning a firearm that could be is not. I gave them the model and stated it was a 22LR firearm and they stated it is not a centerfire therefore not illegal to sell. Like I said, order it from the link I gave you. They have no problem sending them here and I am already on file with them if you need a tranfer dealer. I will call in a couple minutes and get a letter to post for people.:cool:



Ok, just got off the phone with DOJ and she is going to get me a letter out. As already said, it doesn't matter what it could be converted to as long as it is not converted it is legal. You can go to Turners right now and buy a AK style firearm that is a pump 7.69X39 that COULD be converted to something else.

These can be found at any gun show in California, what would be the difference?

2120

So if WASP22 is illegal so are all of these:eek: .

ivanimal
12-05-2006, 8:18 PM
I was able to pick one up from a store owner that got one and then did not want it. I did pay a bit more than what they are offering but it is new unissued with 2 mags, cleaning kit, oil bottle and sling.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/ivanimal/ak22002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/ivanimal/ak22003.jpg


of course my picture taking prowess leaves a lot to be desired.]

ivanimal
12-05-2006, 8:29 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/ivanimal/ak22004.jpg

It feel just like a full sized AK and weighs the same. it is blowback design as there is no gas tube, not enough energy from a 22 for that. The mags seem a little cheezy I have not shot it yet. I just got it home this week.

Vigilante
12-05-2006, 8:32 PM
That gun looks good. Would you mind telling us what you paid for it?

69Mach1
12-05-2006, 8:38 PM
That gun looks good. Would you mind telling us what you paid for it?

Hopefully not much more than this one.
http://www.keepshooting.com/firearms/rifles/ak22_rifle.htm

ivanimal
12-05-2006, 8:59 PM
It was 330 but I had to pay the shipping and DROS 365 sounds about right. I bought another gun from a member here at the same time so I wrote one check for both purchases. I cant keep it straight in my small brain.:o

ivanimal
12-05-2006, 9:02 PM
Hopefully not much more than this one.
http://www.keepshooting.com/firearms/rifles/ak22_rifle.htm


That is the exact same rifle except mine came with 2 mags.

leelaw
12-05-2006, 9:11 PM
If you want one order it from http://www.classicarms.us/ I have one sitting here for a customer. Called DOJ just for the record and they said .22LR is a rim fire and would not be considered a AW.


Interesting.. Whenever I talked to them (they keep bouncing me around - I haven't gotten a firm answer yet) they will say one or more of the following:

-It is an AK, therefore an assault weapon.
-It can be converted to centerfire, therefore an assault weapon.
-It has a pistol grip and detachable magazine, and therefore an assault weapon.

Basically they make about as much sense as Allison's comment on pistol grips, though not quite that stupid.

69Mach1
12-05-2006, 9:54 PM
ivanimal, do you have the rifle that's marked WASR22 or AKT-98?

Mine is a WASR22 and it uses a different and shorter magazine body. There's a 22 magazine imbedded in the .223 AK magazine body. I was hoping to order one of those 30 round look-a-likes to use. Does your insert look like mine too?

These things are great. Quite accurate and no recoil. They weigh exactly like a real AK, because they are. They have the same fire control group as a centerfire AK. The only difference is the .22lr barrel, top cover, a special trunion, reduced recoil springs, a one piece bolt and carrier combo, and an internal adapter. It also doesn't have a gas piston because it's blowback operated. Besides the change in magazine bodies, I plan on adding U.S. made hand guards, pistol grip, and buttstock to take advantage of the .22's ability to have evil features. Also, just those parts alone will make the rifle 922r compliant.
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j258/FIVESIXTN/hkSONY265.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j258/FIVESIXTN/hkSONY613-1.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j258/FIVESIXTN/hkSONY610.jpg

69Mach1
12-05-2006, 9:56 PM
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j258/FIVESIXTN/hkSONY617-1.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j258/FIVESIXTN/hkSONY608.jpg
I think I was the first, and probably the last to order this rifle from Centerfire for $250 before they got spooked.

leelaw
12-05-2006, 9:58 PM
ivanimal, do you have the rifle that's marked WASR22 or AKT-98?

Mine is a WASR22 and it uses a different and shorter magazine body. There's a 22 magazine imbedded in the .223 AK magazine body. I was hoping to order one of those 30 round look-a-likes to use. Does your insert look like mine too?


I've seen Ivan's .22lr AK. It is an AKT-98, and looks pretty snazzy.

The magazine has the same insert as yours (do you know where to get replacements.. or.. maybe ones with metal feed lips?)

The magazine body is that for a 7.62x39

69Mach1
12-05-2006, 10:11 PM
I've seen Ivan's .22lr AK. It is an AKT-98, and looks pretty snazzy.

The magazine has the same insert as yours (do you know where to get replacements.. or.. maybe ones with metal feed lips?)

The magazine body is that for a 7.62x39


I do not know where to get replacements. I asked a guy on gunbroker selling an AKT-98 if he would sell me his extra magazine one time, but that's as close as I've come. If you do find a source, first buy as many as you think you will need for the lifetime of the rifle, and second let me know where you got them. These rifles are already as rare as they come, so finding extra magazines will be a challenge. The mag body is a .223. I also just ordered a couple of AK mounts so I'll be scoping it pretty soon too.

ivanimal
12-05-2006, 10:26 PM
Where did you order the mounts?

69Mach1
12-05-2006, 10:37 PM
Actually I won them from this guy:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=61891791

I also won his PSL mount as well.

leelaw
12-05-2006, 10:47 PM
I do not know where to get replacements. I asked a guy on gunbroker selling an AKT-98 if he would sell me his extra magazine one time, but that's as close as I've come. If you do find a source, first buy as many as you think you will need for the lifetime of the rifle, and second let me know where you got them. These rifles are already as rare as they come, so finding extra magazines will be a challenge. The mag body is a .223. I also just ordered a couple of AK mounts so I'll be scoping it pretty soon too.


Southern Ohio Gun has full 10rd magazines for $20/ea.

69Mach1
12-05-2006, 10:57 PM
Southern Ohio Gun has full 10rd magazines for $20/ea.

Thanks.:) I don't see them on their website, so I'll call them.

69Mach1
12-24-2006, 12:16 PM
My new OD green stock set from KVAR arrived along with the full size 10 round magazine from SOG (thanks leelaw). I just finished installing everything. It looks great. Now to do something about that bare muzzle.:)
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j258/FIVESIXTN/hkSONY650.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j258/FIVESIXTN/hkSONY648.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j258/FIVESIXTN/hkSONY660.jpg

leelaw
12-24-2006, 12:21 PM
69Mach1, that looks pretty good..

Have you function tested the magazine yet?

69Mach1
12-24-2006, 12:25 PM
69Mach1, that looks pretty good..

Have you function tested the magazine yet?

Yep. I took the rifle out to Burro Canyon last week and rapid fired the hell out of it using the SOG magazine and there were no issues.:D I have to pick up 3 more of those mags before SOG runs out.