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gamename
05-08-2011, 9:08 AM
Hi,

I broke down and got a S&W M&P 15 Optic-Ready AR15. I also bought a Troy Industries 7" Drop-in Battle Rail. Do I need to get any special tools to help me install it?

Thanks,
-T

evidens83
05-08-2011, 9:19 AM
Nope. I do suggest you get an extra pair of hands though. I held down the delta ring while my wife placed the rail. Thats all to it.

CK_32
05-08-2011, 9:20 AM
It's possible to do it your self tho.. A pain but I put my Daniel defense rain on by my self. Like said above the delta ring is a pain in the as* tho

TheDeej
05-08-2011, 9:20 AM
^ +1, wife helped me too :D

Buy ammo, it goes fast.

rdmmdr
05-08-2011, 9:21 AM
a progressive reloader

FourLoko
05-08-2011, 9:24 AM
ammo

cleaning supplies

I still don't get the hand guard obsession. I'm going to take the $100-$250 dollars and use it to shoot the damn thing with the plain, plastic hand guards.

Z.1
05-08-2011, 9:25 AM
I managed to install my troy battle rail by myself, twice. I used my mechanix gloves to grip the delta ring... helped big time.

Congrats on the new rifle!
And condolences on the BRD :43:

missiontrails
05-08-2011, 9:32 AM
Hi,

I broke down and got a S&W M&P 15 Optic-Ready AR15. I also bought a Troy Industries 7" Drop-in Battle Rail. Do I need to get any special tools to help me install it?

Thanks,
-T
Sounds to me like you need optics....lol Since it is optics ready:)

seronian
05-08-2011, 9:37 AM
+1 on the optics and cleaning supply,lots of ammo.

MacDime
05-08-2011, 9:39 AM
AMMO

Which Way Out
05-08-2011, 9:40 AM
I have the same one. I installed Magpul BUS and riser to mount a scope. I am happy with the way it turned out. Its nothing like some on here, but does the job. I just wish I had an endless supply of AMMO:43:

dieselpower
05-08-2011, 9:41 AM
can I slap you upside the head one time?

Why did you....

1) go buy a expensive rail without first knowing if you will like said rail on your FIRST AR15!

2) save that cash and instead buy a good optic?

I understand guys want the "flash"...thats how we get the chics...but Gibbs would still treat you like a probbe for doing it.

:7: I was looking for the DiNozzo head slap, but that emoticon is on AR15.com..not here.

missiontrails
05-08-2011, 9:41 AM
If you are looking for a reasonably priced optic that is not Aimpoint or Eotech........... The Vortex stuff is decent, and the mounts are included. The Vortex Strikefire has a 4MOA dot, and the SPARC has a 2MOA dot. For me, 2MOA is the choice.

missiontrails
05-08-2011, 9:45 AM
can I slap you upside the head one time?

Why did you....

1) go buy a expensive rail without first knowing if you will like said rail on your FIRST AR15!

2) save that cash and instead buy a good optic?

I understand guys want the "flash"...thats how we get the chics...but Gibbs would still treat you like a probbe for doing it.

:7: I was looking for the DiNozzo head slap, but that emoticon is on AR15.com..not here.
Exactaly.........there is just something nice about having a good fat set of M4 plastic handguards (not the thinner carbine profile ones).

seronian
05-08-2011, 9:46 AM
:7: I was looking for the DiNozzo head slap, but that emoticon is on AR15.com..not here.

NCIS!

gamename
05-08-2011, 10:05 AM
can I slap you upside the head one time?

Why did you....

1) go buy a expensive rail without first knowing if you will like said rail on your FIRST AR15!

2) save that cash and instead buy a good optic?

I understand guys want the "flash"...thats how we get the chics...but Gibbs would still treat you like a probbe for doing it.

:7: I was looking for the DiNozzo head slap, but that emoticon is on AR15.com..not here.

:chillpill: LOL ... I already have optics. Have had an Aimpoint CompM3 for years and an ACOG. :D I"m getting the rail for a quick-detach sling ring.

-T

shadow65
05-08-2011, 10:10 AM
A CMMG .22 dedicated upper so you can get maximum range time cheap.:D
Dave N

Archie B.
05-08-2011, 11:10 AM
:chillpill: LOL ... I already have optics. Have had an Aimpoint CompM3 for years and an ACOG. :D I"m getting the rail for a quick-detach sling ring.

-T

You will need BUIS.

dieselpower
05-08-2011, 11:20 AM
:chillpill: LOL ... I already have optics. Have had an Aimpoint CompM3 for years and an ACOG. :D I"m getting the rail for a quick-detach sling ring.

-T

than you can DiNozzo me back...LOL

ojisan
05-08-2011, 11:29 AM
You need to get all the pieces to swap things around until you get it the way you really like best:
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh9/extreamleadbass/fusm4an.gif

2Bear
05-08-2011, 11:33 AM
I was looking for the DiNozzo head slap, but that emoticon is on AR15.com..not here.

Don't let that stop you...

http://i55.tinypic.com/29x9hn6.gif

gamename
05-08-2011, 2:02 PM
A CMMG .22 dedicated upper so you can get maximum range time cheap.:D
Dave N

That's a good point. Was seriously thinking of doing that. Do they work very well?

-T

gamename
05-08-2011, 2:03 PM
Don't let that stop you...

http://i55.tinypic.com/29x9hn6.gif


Thanks. :D

iskra31
05-08-2011, 3:00 PM
Very well! Out of 1500 rounds only had 5 FTE. Best investment I've made gun-wise. CMMG has made a name for themselves



That's a good point. Was seriously thinking of doing that. Do they work very well?

-T

shadow65
05-08-2011, 3:55 PM
My M4 LE test rifle has 12K through it. I have had exactly 3 FTE's that were not due to bad ammo or excessive crud. And my results are not exclusive. Several I have dealt with have thousands of reliable rounds through them.
CMMG did their home work on these.
Dave N

762.DEFENSE
05-08-2011, 4:27 PM
Optics, Ammo, Gun cleaner, gas money, and range time.

Sunday
05-08-2011, 4:33 PM
can I slap you upside the head one time?

Why did you....

1) go buy a expensive rail without first knowing if you will like said rail on your FIRST AR15!

2) save that cash and instead buy a good optic?

I understand guys want the "flash"...thats how we get the chics...but Gibbs would still treat you like a probbe for doing it.

:7: I was looking for the DiNozzo head slap, but that emoticon is on AR15.com..not here.

That is what you posa do!! tacticool don't ya know.

ceasefire15
05-08-2011, 7:14 PM
If you are looking for a reasonably priced optic that is not Aimpoint or Eotech........... The Vortex stuff is decent, and the mounts are included. The Vortex Strikefire has a 4MOA dot, and the SPARC has a 2MOA dot. For me, 2MOA is the choice.

I like Primary Arms! It's a good optics for its price. I recommend it, I have PA M3.

shadow65
05-08-2011, 7:29 PM
I've also had good luck with Primary Arms. I've done a small amount of testing for them.
Great customer service too.
Dave N

blazeaglory
05-08-2011, 7:40 PM
AMMO
MAGS
cleaning kit

ive always like the stock foregaurds but i also like the DD guards. guess im going to have to buy another AR?

IrishPirate
05-08-2011, 7:50 PM
start with this:
http://westernmassfirearms.com/images/catalog/bulk223ammo.jpg

Add this:
http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac104/Harkness_2010/NewishMags8.jpg

End with this:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/AK_Zeke/AR-15s/HPIM0721.jpg

that'll be a good enough start....

OutkastSL
05-08-2011, 8:36 PM
WOW^^^^

glockwise2000
05-08-2011, 8:49 PM
If it is a hassle for you to remove the handguards by yourself, get the handguard removal tool. You don't want to scratch your precious rail before you even fire the rifle.

G1500
05-08-2011, 9:18 PM
start with this:
http://westernmassfirearms.com/images/catalog/bulk223ammo.jpg

Add this:
http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac104/Harkness_2010/NewishMags8.jpg

End with this:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/AK_Zeke/AR-15s/HPIM0721.jpg

that'll be a good enough start....


Sweet.

How long did that take you? lol

blazeaglory
05-08-2011, 9:28 PM
now THATS a hobby ;)

do you plan on having a never ending fire fight where you will never get the chance to reload your mags..lol

IrishPirate
05-08-2011, 9:36 PM
those aren't my mags. found them on google images. It was just for visual effect. all new guns should have plenty of magazines and plenty of ammo.

blazeaglory
05-08-2011, 9:57 PM
that is awesome. if only i didnt spend all my green on guiness and whores

2Bear
05-08-2011, 10:32 PM
It's nice to hit the range with 3600 rounds already in the mags so you don't waste too much time reloading. "Yes. These are my pre-ban standard capacity mags."

mlevans66
05-08-2011, 10:33 PM
start with this:
http://westernmassfirearms.com/images/catalog/bulk223ammo.jpg

Add this:
http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac104/Harkness_2010/NewishMags8.jpg

End with this:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/AK_Zeke/AR-15s/HPIM0721.jpg

that'll be a good enough start....

Oh well this is a wet dream!
Anyway do what the quote sez.

blazeaglory
05-08-2011, 10:34 PM
happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing i know...how true

2 bear i love you man

and yes, do what the post says

Sgt. J Beezy
05-09-2011, 12:37 AM
1. Rounds.
2. Mags.
3. Cleaning Gear.
4. Optics!
Lets see some pics also!!!

West coast
05-09-2011, 8:50 AM
AMMO!!!!! AMMO!!!!! AMMO!!!!!

Lead Waster
05-09-2011, 9:40 AM
Speaking of ammo, what's a good price for .223 ammo?

mlevans66
05-09-2011, 9:53 AM
Speaking of ammo, what's a good price for .223 ammo?

The price it is when you pay for it, killa! Just look around and get some.

tacticalcity
05-09-2011, 9:56 AM
Tools to install the rail: A nice handguard removal tool will make the job a lot easier and keep you from loosing some skin on your hands and from ruining your Delta ring. Might want to wrap the Delta Ring with some Masking or Duck Tape to protect it from scratches as well. You can clean off glue easier than you can repaint it.

Cleaning gear: Cleanzoil, a boresnake, a rag and a tooth brush are all you need. That and to watch a YouTube video on how to completely strip down your AR.

Ammo: Before buying in bulk try out that brand and model (if they have multiple styles of ammo) first. Nothing worse than having 2K rounds of ammo that won't feed through your rifle. My particular M4 doesn't like Fiocci, but other people's rifles love it. Meanwhile it loves all kinds of stuff other people complain about. Usually I run Seller & Bellet, just because it has been pretty consistent.

Magazines: Magpul PMAGS or EMAGS are the way to go. Jam free, and will stand up to abuse. I run both. The only difference between them are the outside ridges. The Emags have less ridges and will feed in some of the newer non AR15 ARs as a result. They run in the AR15 just fine. I picked up a few EMAGS because they were on sale. I also like the version with the window, so you can tell when to stop loading without having to count each round. For a 10/30 magazines you can load all 10 rounds because you have all that excess spring. But for other magazines you do not want to top them off. For 30 round magazines only load 25 rounds. For 20 round magazines only load 17. For 10 round magazines only load 7-8. This prevents malfunctions caused by the magazine not seating properly. Which by the way is the most common cause of malfunctions in any magazine fed firearm. Avoid the metal GI mags. The seam on the back splits apart over time causing malfunctions.

Optics: Much longer discussion...

For CQB and home defense get a red dot. I prefer EoTech because of the reticle, but Aimpoint has its pros as well. Those two lead the pack. Next in line as far as being battle proven would be C-More. They are huge with the Europeans but have not found much love with the commercial market here in the states. An up and commer with great reviews and a really nice sticker price is the Vortex Sparc. I don't have any experience with it myself. If you just need something to hold you over while you save up then the Primary Arms Micro with the Tall Mount is a nice little sight for under $100. Not a battle optic, but good enough for training.

For 50-200 yard moving targets then the Trijicon ACOG is really nice. I am not a fan of using it for bench rest shooting however.

For 50-200 or more yards and stationary targets I would get a nice variable power scope. I like something that gets at least upto 10x. It is not that you can't hit the targets with a 4x, it is just that you will be guessing. With the 10x or highter you actually can see that you hit it.

All my personal opinion of course, based on what has worked for me.

Lead Waster
05-09-2011, 9:58 AM
I bought a scope from Cabelas and since I was paying for shipping anyway, I thought I'd tack on some ammo. Now I gotta get some .223 dies and components to go along with that brass once it's been emptied!

gamename
05-09-2011, 10:07 AM
start with this:
http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac104/Harkness_2010/NewishMags8.jpg


Very true. I bought a bulk pack of m14 mags for my M1A and have never regretted it.

Any suggestions on bulk buys for Kalifornia *spit* AR15 10 round mags?

tacticalcity
05-09-2011, 10:13 AM
My only word of caution is that GI magazines are very jam prone. If you bench rest shoot, and are cautiously loading each magazine and giving them extra love and attention to make sure your magazine has seated properly you would never know it. But if you are running and gunning and changing magazines mid stride as you bolt from cover to cover it becomes very obvious. I am not a huge Magpul fan boy, but I have seen first hand that their magazines make a huge difference. The main issue with the metal magazine is their design. That seam along the back likes to spread apart over time. Causing it not to fully seat.

StrikeIndustries
05-09-2011, 10:54 AM
A Strike Industries pistol grip ;)

Congrats on the new rifle!

mattmattmatt
05-09-2011, 11:26 AM
What do you plan to do with the rifle? Home defense, hunting, classes, competition, etc?

Everything except home defense you will want a sling. The two I like are from Viking Tactics and Blue Force Gear:

VTAC sling:
http://www.vikingtactics.com/prod_sling_VTAC-MK1-a.html

Blue Force Gear:
http://www.blueforcegear.com/products/Vickers-Combat-Applications-Sling%E2%84%A2.html

evollep3
05-09-2011, 12:27 PM
Nope. I do suggest you get an extra pair of hands though. I held down the delta ring while my wife placed the rail. Thats all to it.

Pssstttt i did it all by my self up till i smashed my finger :mad:

the things i would get,
Cleaning kit - is your number one especially your breaking in a new barrel
then all the other stuff is up to your choosing weither its mag's or ammo. just dont go cheap on optics

tacticalcity
05-09-2011, 12:34 PM
What do you plan to do with the rifle? Home defense, hunting, classes, competition, etc?

Everything except home defense you will want a sling. The two I like are from Viking Tactics and Blue Force Gear:

VTAC sling:
http://www.vikingtactics.com/prod_sling_VTAC-MK1-a.html

Blue Force Gear:
http://www.blueforcegear.com/products/Vickers-Combat-Applications-Sling%E2%84%A2.html

5.11 is making the VTAC sling as well. I run the Blue Force version myself, great sling.

biker777
05-09-2011, 12:36 PM
http://i55.tinypic.com/29x9hn6.gif

ok how do I make this work! its totally cool..lol

gun505
05-09-2011, 1:17 PM
Exactaly.........there is just something nice about having a good fat set of M4 plastic handguards (not the thinner carbine profile ones).

totally agree

tacticalcity
05-09-2011, 1:51 PM
http://i55.tinypic.com/29x9hn6.gif

ok how do I make this work! its totally cool..lol

- Click edit
- Immediately infront of the web address type [ I M G ] but without the spaces
- Immediately after the web address type [ / I M G ] but without the spaces.

G1500
05-09-2011, 3:53 PM
- Click edit
- Immediately infront of the web address type [ I M G ] but without the spaces
- Immediately after the web address type [ / I M G ] but without the spaces.

Or, click on the insert image icon http://i55.tinypic.com/sy1fzo.jpg and paste the URL of the image.


:)

Which Way Out
05-29-2011, 1:34 PM
start with this:
http://westernmassfirearms.com/images/catalog/bulk223ammo.jpg

Add this:
http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac104/Harkness_2010/NewishMags8.jpg

End with this:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/AK_Zeke/AR-15s/HPIM0721.jpg

that'll be a good enough start....

As good as Gold

glock7
05-30-2011, 7:32 AM
magazines and ammo. excuse me...ammo and magazines. enjoy!

glock7
05-30-2011, 7:33 AM
As good as Gold

what he said! that's the ticket right there......

r6raff
05-30-2011, 8:14 AM
As good as Gold

Depending on the scenario I would say thats better than gold LOL, either way, there is a saying... when **** hits the fan, the only things that will be worth a damn are Guns and Gold.

r6raff
05-30-2011, 8:24 AM
Speaking of ammo, what's a good price for .223 ammo?

For plinking ammo and stockpile, I personally wont spend more than about .30 a round. Most the times I find 1k xm193 or equivalent for about $300 shipped to my door, every now and then I come across a deal for 1k for 270ish. For match ammo, expect to pay significantly more, I only shoot steel targets so I don't waste my money on Match booleets.


OP: Don't let them hurt your feelings about the rail, we buy ARs for the modularity, rails, etc... most folks I know buy a tricked out AR first and then realize they don't need all that weight and then build a second KISS AR.

I would buy a set of iron sights and get good with them, if your optics fail, you still want to be able to hit stuff. Then buy a S load of ammo, if you can afford to buy in bulk I know the guys at Tactical Ammunition dot com will give you a deal and probably some others. PalmettoStateArmory is good to go for ammo, consistently lower prices and $12 flat rate shipping per 1k rounds.