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furfam4
05-05-2011, 4:21 PM
I need your help guys! Seriously, my research time is putting me in the dog house.

I spend countless hrs on here and spent all day yesterday and today on the comp.

My intentions are two build the lower and buy a complete upper. I would like to go with companies that have a good reputation and that makes quality products. I don't need the best of the best. Use will be for HD, CQC, fun shooting.

I would like to spend about $800 so I can have $ for optics and accessories.

Is this reasonable?

Can I get some recommendations for lowers and uppers that will stay in that price range?

If you could cover me and make sure to list all I will need for my Lower Build. As well as the parts I will need to assemble the Lower to the Upper. I will research how to do it.

Thank you

stix213
05-05-2011, 4:29 PM
Most lowers are the same pretty much. Most people buy a lower based on how cool the marking is. Your lower parts kit has more impact on function than the lower itself.

For uppers, pick a specific one out you like based on features, weight, etc and then look for reviews on that specific one or ask questions about it. If you just want to ask for quality uppers on a forum, you're going to get recommendations that break your $800 price point. To fit in to your price range you're going to end up with a medium quality rifle. AR's are a hobby where if you go for quality you need to expect to pay up for it.

You really are building an AR cause you expect CQC?

You'll need your complete upper, stripped lower, lower parts kit, stock / buffer tube / buffer spring, and one of those wrenches for the castle nut. I think that's it other than optics. There are instructions on youtube on how to put it all together. Adding the LPK to the lower is the hardest part.

edit: Oh you'll also either need a Bullet Button, or you'll need to go featureless when selecting all your parts. See the AW guide for details.

furfam4
05-05-2011, 4:44 PM
You really are building an AR cause you expect CQC?


No. Hope I never encounter it but if I do in SHTF I want it added to the compliment


You'll need your complete upper, stripped lower, lower parts kit, stock / buffer tube / buffer spring, and one of those wrenches for the castle nut. I think that's it other than optics. There are instructions on youtube on how to put it all together. Adding the LPK to the lower is the hardest part.

edit: Oh you'll also either need a Bullet Button, or you'll need to go featureless when selecting all your parts. See the AW guide for details.

Ok thanks. Any recommendation of lower parts kit? Also, if you buy online you gotta pay transfer fee too right, is that only for the lower?

apbrian112
05-05-2011, 4:59 PM
Ok thanks. Any recommendation of lower parts kit? Also, if you buy online you gotta pay transfer fee too right, is that only for the lower?

only for the lower... the lower will be the only part that needs to be shipped to an FFL so that it can be dros'd. all other parts are just that, parts; and these can be shipped directly to you.

killshot44
05-05-2011, 5:07 PM
First guy that links "the chart" for him gets banned......:43:

dieselpower
05-05-2011, 5:09 PM
You, like most new builders, are getting yourself too caught up in the politics of the build and not focusing on the build. Stop screwing around.

Stop caring what people write and start buying whats available to you.

My buddy was the same way. LAST YEAR before Christmas he said he was going to start looking into building an AR. Last Wednesday I got fed up with him talking and researching and took him to a gun shop to buy the lower.

It gets out of jail on Saturday. He will buy a LPK and BB when he picks it up. He went with a higher priced Lower. He could have just bought the cheapest one. Its not that big a deal. He liked the Sun Devil for the adjustment screw for the upper attachment point.

Now, you get your freaking lazy butt to a gun shop or three & find out who has lowers in stock and BUY ONE! Once you do that then start looking for the rest of the firearm.

just remember DROS is $25 and you are going to pay tax.

apbrian112
05-05-2011, 5:12 PM
i think the OP's in huntington beach... if this is correct you're only a stones throw from one of the best shops in socal (imo). Riflegear is a member/vendor on here and they'll be able to get you started.

Lead Waster
05-05-2011, 5:24 PM
Do this (if you buy online, get it all at once to save on shipping)

Buy a lower, this is the thing that needs paperwork. Any one will do, they just hold all the other stuff together. $100 + DROS (depends, but at least $25 can be up to $50+ if you are transferring from somewhere else)

Buy a lower parts kit. Cheapest I've seen is DPMS for $58 (midway usa).
Buy a bullet button to replace the mag release in your lpk. $20
Buy a stock $50 for the simplest, goes up to $infinity

Buy a complete upper. MidwayUSA has a lot as do many many many other places. Cost $400 to infinity depending on what you want. Say $500 is a decent price.

Buy one or more magazines $10-$30 depending on brand, coolness, etc. 10 rounds only please!

Sights/sites do you want optics or iron sights...did you BUY AN UPPER THAT INCLUDED SIGHTS? Sights are expensive for a set, expect at least $100. For good ones about $200+ but then ... why not buy optics then?

I think that's it. Then download some online instructions for assembling the lower with the lpk etc.

Buiy some ammo, reloading press, dies, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc ....

Then SUPER DUPER SIMPLE: Buy a lower, then buy a "kit" which has the assmbled upper, stock, lpk, etc, etc AND a bullet button (they tend not to come with them). Midway USA, JT Distributing, Delton, etc, etc, etc has kits starting around $500 (that's for the whole kit minus lower!). Are they as "good" as the piecemeal method? Well...sure, why not? You're not going to war are you?

r6raff
05-05-2011, 5:31 PM
Upper for 575.00 http://www.riflegear.com/p-46-stag-a...ete-upper.aspx
Stripped Lower 99.00 http://www.riflegear.com/p-549-spike...olor-fill.aspx
LPK 69.00 http://www.riflegear.com/p-448-rra-l...parts-kit.aspx
Adjustable Stock 89.99 http://www.riflegear.com/p-143-stag-...-assembly.aspx
Raddlock 35.99 http://www.riflegear.com/p-470-raddl...operation.aspx

Thats a complete rifle that will most deffinately get the job done, with front and rear irons.

With Dros and Tax it will be a bit over what you are aiming for but this I think is a great build for $900 bucks. (edit) Closer to $1000, apparently I fail at basic math =\

Then when you are ready you can step up to the plate with the big biys and get yourself a BCM :43:

Let the BCM hate begin... in 3...2...1...

apbrian112
05-05-2011, 5:35 PM
Upper for 575.00 http://www.riflegear.com/p-46-stag-a...ete-upper.aspx
Stripped Lower 99.00 http://www.riflegear.com/p-549-spike...olor-fill.aspx
LPK 69.00 http://www.riflegear.com/p-448-rra-l...parts-kit.aspx
Adjustable Stock 89.99 http://www.riflegear.com/p-143-stag-...-assembly.aspx
Raddlock 35.99 http://www.riflegear.com/p-470-raddl...operation.aspx

Thats a complete rifle that will most deffinately get the job done, with front and rear irons.

With Dros and Tax it will be a bit over what you are aiming for but this I think is a great build for 900 bucks.

Then when you are ready you can step up to the plate with the big biys and get yourself a BCM :43:

Let the BCM hate begin... in 3...2...1...

no BCM hate here but unless i'm mistaken, your math is a little off and it'd be closer to $1k after dros and tax which is quite a bit more (25%) than what his stated budget was. Funny how that works huh (with ALL projects, not just firearms) :43:

r6raff
05-05-2011, 5:42 PM
no BCM hate here but unless i'm mistaken, your math is a little off and it'd be closer to $1k after dros and tax which is quite a bit more (25%) than what his stated budget was. Funny how that works huh (with ALL projects, not just firearms) :43:

You sir are correct, Probably could go a little cheaper on the upper but I wouldn't.

OP- Don't worry about optics at this point, get good with the Irons then in a few weeks or so buy some glass. Otherwise, you will have to go real cheap to meet your price expectations.

furfam4
05-05-2011, 5:47 PM
i think the OP's in huntington beach... if this is correct you're only a stones throw from one of the best shops in socal (imo). Riflegear is a member/vendor on here and they'll be able to get you started.

I am yes, do tell? I've only been to Turner's in FV and Fieldtime (like but expensive) in Westminster bought my 1911 there. Where you talking about.

***Edit- Riflegear...FV...will pay them a visit tomorrow.

Diesel- I just went to turner's today and didn't see any lowers? Tell me where to go, and I'm there, are you kidding? Don't threaten me with a good time! :D

Lead waster good stuff and I will be researching reloading. Taking a class at Fieldtime on the 14th.

r6raff- haven't checked those links yet but will. thanks

***Edit- like those links, like them alot.

Everyone- thanks for your time!

glockwise2000
05-05-2011, 5:50 PM
First, you need to buy a stripped lower. Then worry about the next part. You just need to put your one foot forward.

Lowers are basically and almost the same. It just varies from markings that people prefers. Just get in a gunshop and choose.

gemini1
05-05-2011, 5:51 PM
For the budget you've set, get a Delton kit, its complete minus the lower receiver. As for quality? some says its junk but those who uses it says otherwise.

dieselpower
05-05-2011, 5:54 PM
I am yes, do tell? I've only been to Turner's in FV and Fieldtime (like but expensive) in Westminster bought my 1911 there. Where you talking about.

Diesel- I just went to turner's today and didn't see any lowers? Tell me where to go, and I'm there, are you kidding? Don't threaten me with a good time! :D

Lead waster good stuff and I will be researching reloading. Taking a class at Fieldtime on the 14th.

r6raff- haven't checked those links yet but will. thanks

Everyone- thanks for your time!

riflegear...go there tomorrow, or staturday... click me (http://www.riflegear.com/t-contact.aspx)

bring your check book, ID and expect to waste about 2 hours...1 hour looking, 45 minutes talking 15 minutes filling out an ATF form 4473.

apbrian112
05-05-2011, 5:59 PM
For the budget you've set, get a Delton kit, its complete minus the lower receiver. As for quality? some says its junk but those who uses it says otherwise.

i have one of their 16" LW kits that i threw together for my GF and it only ended up costing roughly $700 give or take... the only options i chose were yhm FF and BO tac latch and i got a take-off carry handle here for $30, threw in some JP yellow springs and called it a day. everything fit like it was supposed to and it goes bang when i pull the trigger.

ewxlt66
05-05-2011, 6:04 PM
I was overwhelmed by the research too, so I just bought one complete (not new). If I get a wild hair to build one, I can learn by what I hate or what sucks on my purchased one.
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5227/5691492991_4bc097dcaf.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30741622@N07/5691492991/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/30741622@N07/5691492991/) by ewxlt (http://www.flickr.com/people/30741622@N07/), on Flickr

Redchevyman
05-05-2011, 6:08 PM
Del-ton has the best bang for your buck by far. People that own Del-tons say they are great quality. Most people that have anything bad to say about them do not actually own one and base their opinion on lame low price equals low quality argument.

I can set you up with a new Del-ton complete upper and parts kit for $485 plus $20 shipping. I also have bullet buttons available for $20. All you need to buy is a lower receiver and a 10 round magazine.

http://www.gunco.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DelTonRifleKit.jpg

TNW gas piston kits $200
http://rcmgunparts.com/product_images/gas_piston_kit-200px.jpg

torquefliteterror
05-05-2011, 6:16 PM
Ive built 10 delton midlength's. every one has been a winner . great price and great customer service. One time i got a lower parts kit from them and it was missing two little but crucial pieces. they answered their email within a day and shipped shortly after no questions asked. my most recent order involved 2 lower parts kits. they forgot to put one in and only shipped one. I sent them an email explaining and without a hassle or bs, they shipped within a day. i love their excellent customer service. don't wait just pick something and go with it. then build another one. youll be happy you did.

rubber duckie
05-05-2011, 6:25 PM
building them can be just as fun as shooting them. buy your parts, put it together. how else will you know whats going on and how to fix things if something were to go wrong.

furfam4
05-05-2011, 6:42 PM
Del-ton has the best bang for your buck by far. People that own Del-tons say they are great quality. Most people that have anything bad to say about them do not actually own one and base their opinion on lame low price equals low quality argument.

I can set you up with a new Del-ton complete upper and parts kit for $485 plus $20 shipping. I also have bullet buttons available for $20. All you need to buy is a lower receiver and a 10 round magazine.

http://www.gunco.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DelTonRifleKit.jpg

what kind of stock is that? What brand LPK? Specs on that Upper? And how much would it be to change out that Bulbuss handguard with a railed one? that's damn cheap btw. i could be done for under $700. Definately interested.

dieselpower
05-05-2011, 6:46 PM
Del-ton has the best bang for your buck by far. People that own Del-tons say they are great quality. Most people that have anything bad to say about them do not actually own one and base their opinion on lame low price equals low quality argument.

I can set you up with a new Del-ton complete upper and parts kit for $485 plus $20 shipping. I also have bullet buttons available for $20. All you need to buy is a lower receiver and a 10 round magazine.

http://www.gunco.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DelTonRifleKit.jpg

you really cant beat that deal for a desent AR15.

Buy the Delton kit for $505 shipped. Buy a Plumcrazy complete lower for about $190 out the door. You then have a spare LPK and Stock parts.

Redchevyman
05-05-2011, 7:04 PM
what kind of stock is that? What brand LPK? And how much would it be to change out that Bulbuss front piece?
The stock is a 6 position stock from Del-ton. The LPK is also from Del-ton. What do you want to change the "Bulbuss front piece" with? I assume you are talking about the front hand guard. I have quad rail front hand guards available from a couple different makers. They cost $45 extra to trade it out.

furfam4
05-05-2011, 7:21 PM
The stock is a 6 position stock from Del-ton. The LPK is also from Del-ton. What do you want to change the "Bulbuss front piece" with? I assume you are talking about the front hand guard. I have quad rail front hand guards available from a couple different makers. They cost $45 extra to trade it out.

yeah the handguard. I would like to see what you've got and I think we've got a deal. Looking for keeping it slim and square not round able to attach a front grip and light on the side. Going for a red dot optic. Is that a 16" barrel. Specs? Thanks.

giants_fan24
05-05-2011, 7:22 PM
Wow that is a good deal for the Del-ton

furfam4
05-05-2011, 7:42 PM
you really cant beat that deal for a desent AR15.

Buy the Delton kit for $505 shipped. Buy a Plumcrazy complete lower for about $190 out the door. You then have a spare LPK and Stock parts.

Id rather have an aluminum Lower Receiver.

Nite100
05-05-2011, 8:24 PM
Redchevyman, do you have a website??

Redchevyman
05-05-2011, 10:27 PM
Redchevyman, do you have a website??
Yes I do
http://www.rcmgunparts.com
It is in the banners on the top of Calguns web site.
The AR-15 accessories are on my web site but the Del-ton parts kit and bullet buttons are not since I only have a few of them.

jasonnorcal
05-05-2011, 10:33 PM
Dude.....dont cheap out. spend a tiny bit more to get the riflegear upper. Think long term.

Joe
05-05-2011, 10:37 PM
Stag complete rifle kit for $614 shipped. Everything minus the stripped lower.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=22&t=382832

furfam4
05-06-2011, 12:35 PM
so I went with the Spike's stripped lower

http://www.riflegear.com/images/Product/medium/923.jpg

its in jail for 10

and went with the STAG 2H M-4 16" UPPER with Flip-Up Rear Site, AND a side sling adapter, AND a STAG 6 POS TAC STOCK KIT, AND a STAG LOWER PARTS KIT

http://ar15sa.fatcow.com/store/media/newkit2.jpg


cant wait to get it

added a BB OTD 784.00 right in my budget range! :party:

now to find some mags

** oh and forgot to thank you all...THANKS

r6raff
05-06-2011, 12:43 PM
Nice, that will be a reliable build that will last you a very long time. Congrats on the purchase and welcome to the club... and get ready to drain your savings, retirement, kids college funds on the Black Rifle Disease :D

SeaweedMonkey
05-06-2011, 1:07 PM
what tools would you need to fully assemble the lower? how long does it usually take? thanks ahead of time!

r6raff
05-06-2011, 1:20 PM
First time it will take 30-40 minutes, each time after 15-20. Obviously depending on your adeptness to following directions and putting things together.

Tools, my lpk tool kit consists of a small punch, vise grips, channel locks, Castle nut wrench for stock. Everything else you need you should have. Thats just off the top of my head, im not at home so I can't go to the work bench and look at everything

dieselpower
05-06-2011, 1:59 PM
what tools would you need to fully assemble the lower? how long does it usually take? thanks ahead of time!

youtube is your friend

Joe
05-06-2011, 5:48 PM
Sounds like its gonna be a decent rifle. Hope you enjoy it!

so I went with the Spike's stripped lower

http://www.riflegear.com/images/Product/medium/923.jpg

its in jail for 10

and went with the STAG 2H M-4 16" UPPER with Flip-Up Rear Site, AND a side sling adapter, AND a STAG 6 POS TAC STOCK KIT, AND a STAG LOWER PARTS KIT

http://ar15sa.fatcow.com/store/media/newkit2.jpg


cant wait to get it

added a BB OTD 784.00 right in my budget range! :party:

now to find some mags

** oh and forgot to thank you all...THANKS

sleepercar
05-07-2011, 8:07 AM
what tools would you need to fully assemble the lower? how long does it usually take? thanks ahead of time!

It's pretty simple. Just make sure you clear out your working area. Some of those detents and springs are TINY. You drop one on the carpet or off the work bench and you're SOL.

As far as tools, punch set, is a must. Then you've got the basics like hammer and screwdriver.. Most important one for me was the towel I had to place over my coffee table to avoid scratching it.
Other than that, it probably shouldnt take you more than 20 minutes.
Make sure you check out the assembly diagram on here somewhere. A lot of the springs look very similair with differences that are far from obvious.

Good luck.

r6raff
05-07-2011, 1:24 PM
http://www.calguns.net/OLL/assembly.html

Im not sure if you can print out the one in that thread (I used the one from ar15.com in the past), but what I do is print out the picture of each piece laid out, and then lay out all my parts on top of each of their pictures. I then just take each pieces as I need it, it help a bit because there are a few pins and springs that can be easily mistaken for another and mess up your entire build.

Also, I used blue tape to tape up the lower while putting in a the mag catch roll pin and stuff, plus a razor blade to hold down the front takedown pin detent and spring. All that should be in the guide, that is where I got it from originally.