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PandaLuv
05-04-2011, 7:17 PM
I am currently broke, thus can't spend $260 for 1000 rounds.
I also really want to buy accessories for my pistol (sights, grips, bag etc).

How do you deal with it?

discoed
05-04-2011, 7:20 PM
Snap Caps...

tmncali
05-04-2011, 7:21 PM
work more,
reload,
buy in times of plenty.

Shady
05-04-2011, 7:22 PM
buy a .22

Trapper
05-04-2011, 7:25 PM
work more,
reload, buy in times of plenty.

+1 Reloading allows me to shoot more for less.

plankowner
05-04-2011, 7:26 PM
***** and wine...:toetap05:

Cokebottle
05-04-2011, 7:26 PM
buy a .22
Indeed.
I bought a .22 upper for one of my AR lowers.

But ya... Don't have $260 for 1000rds? How about $20-$50 for 100rds (depending on caliber) at WalMart? That'll at least cover the "fix"

Worst case? Dry fire practice. Work the muscle memory on the trigger reset and hammer release.

rdmmdr
05-04-2011, 7:26 PM
buy a .22

everyone needs one or two. just stay away from the 22 win mags they cost damn near what my 243 reloads run.
rick

PandaLuv
05-04-2011, 7:26 PM
Snap Caps...

that does help, but gets boring after dry firing it after 50 times

WilliamAnderson
05-04-2011, 7:27 PM
Clean my guns again.

eqlzr
05-04-2011, 7:27 PM
Get into accuracy instead of a lot of recoil and noise, and shoot the real-steel Weihrauch airguns from Germany with clockwork adjustable Rekord triggers that I had the good sense to buy years ago.

PandaLuv
05-04-2011, 7:28 PM
Indeed.
I bought a .22 upper for one of my AR lowers.

But ya... Don't have $260 for 1000rds? How about $20-$50 for 100rds (depending on caliber) at WalMart? That'll at least cover the "fix"

Worst case? Dry fire practice. Work the muscle memory on the trigger reset and hammer release.

That's why I want Glock17, 9mm is so cheap.

I was thinking about about the conversion kit for my sig, not worth it

Sanderhawk
05-04-2011, 7:34 PM
I can get 100 rnds of 40 at walmart for about $30 thats not to much. If you shoot slow it might last almost an hour. Better than nothing.

straykiller
05-04-2011, 7:37 PM
curl up in a ball and cry non stop,, lol

Bongos
05-04-2011, 7:37 PM
bartar and trade stuff you don't use... be ammazed how much ammo is the result

resident-shooter
05-04-2011, 7:37 PM
Like others said, buy .22's. I got two rifles in .22lr and its great. $38/1100 rounds... caint bit eat. Also, buy large quantities when you have money to spare, so when you go broke, you already have something to shoot :) I personally shop for ammo 2 or MAYBE 3 times a year, but I buy about 3000 rounds of .22 and 300-500 rounds of 9mm every time. It's costly, but I have money at that moment. Oh and as you can tell from those numbers, I do not spend half of my awake time shooting. Usually every 3-4 weeks. Works fyne.

Call_me_Tom
05-04-2011, 7:38 PM
Dry fire drills.

daybreak
05-04-2011, 7:46 PM
shoot my .22 !

JayBeeJay
05-04-2011, 7:47 PM
Snap Caps...

That made me laugh forreal. I mean I understand dry fire practice, but that will get boring in a hurry.

I agree save up some dough and look into reloading. Once you get into it's like a whole other hobby :D. My pops kicked down his RCBS Pro 2000 progressive reloader and I've been spending alot of time in my garage ever since I brought it home.

PandaLuv
05-04-2011, 7:49 PM
.22s is so lame though.... lol and reloading, I dont have space to do that
Edit:
I know I failed. I take it back

erikdjs
05-04-2011, 7:55 PM
Nothing lame about .22lr.

vintagearms
05-04-2011, 7:57 PM
10/22 and a ton of ammo or a good bolt in .22. Nothing wrong with a trainer.

PandaLuv
05-04-2011, 7:57 PM
Nothing lame about .22lr.

I guess I just don't want to spend another couple of hundred bucks on a .22 handgun.

sigfan91
05-04-2011, 8:00 PM
.22s is so lame though.... lol and reloading, I dont have space to do that

I used to think that, until I shot my friend's Phoenix 22. Then I remembered my dad has a Ruger Mk II, so I don't even need to buy a 22. I just borrow his.

Ruger Mk II is more fun than I expected. It's just so much fun to shoot for an hour and then realize that cost $9. The 22 does generate some recoil, muzzle flash, and noise. The recoil is light enough (on the heavy Mk II) that I can concentrate on the trigger and my breathing instead of not limp wristing my P220.

There are some nice 22 pistols for reasonable price. Ruger Mk III can be had for less than $300. There's the Heritage 22 single action revolver for about $200. I haven't priced a Buckmark but I don't remember the plain version being too expensive.

Better yet, leech off a friend's 22...:D

PandaLuv
05-04-2011, 8:01 PM
Ok, Sig Fans, is .22LR conversion kit any good?

Oceanbob
05-04-2011, 8:02 PM
Ask yourself if you're a LIFELONG collector, shooter of Guns in general. Not just handguns, but Rifles and maybe even a shotgun or two.

If you decide that you're in this FUN HOBBY for life then change up your immediate priorities.

Put any future Gun Purchases ON HOLD until you get these two items in your home.

1. A large secure GUN SAFE. A good safe will last your lifetime. Something you never sell and always need if you're into shooting sports.

2. For sure get into RELOADING your own AMMO. I can reload for pennies any caliber I desire. I can pump out 1000 rounds of .45 Auto in one hour (on my Dillon 1050) I can reload any Rifle cartridge I want; any pistol caliber I desire. I am now reloading 10MM on my Dillon 550B and again, saving big money.
(about 600 rounds per hour if I get busy)

A good DILLON press will also last a lifetime and once you get past the initial cost (about 2 GLOCK handguns worth) you will never be AMMO POOR AGAIN.

Here's my humble set up in my workshop:

http://i51.tinypic.com/2zhr33r.jpg

IPSICK
05-04-2011, 8:02 PM
Dry fire drills.

+1 to this. There are so many you can do and not be bored. Pull trigger, release hammer, reset, and repeat is just one of many drills you can do.

For example, drawing from holster or speed reloads or moving with gun while keeping sights aligned or target transition or target acquisition during house clearing or gripping weapon with flashlight or...

Google and search...

PandaLuv
05-04-2011, 8:06 PM
Ask yourself if you're a LIFELONG collector, shooter of Guns in general. Not just handguns, but Rifles and maybe even a shotgun or two.

If you decide that you're in this FUN HOBBY for life then change up your immediate priorities.

Put any future Gun Purchases ON HOLD until you get these two items in your home.

1. A large secure GUN SAFE. A good safe will last your lifetime. Something you never sell and always need if you're into shooting sports.

2. For sure get into RELOADING your own AMMO. I can reload for pennies any caliber I desire. I can pump out 1000 rounds of .45 Auto in one hour (on my Dillon 1050) I can reload any Rifle cartridge I want; any pistol caliber I desire. I am now reloading 10MM on my Dillon 550B and again, saving big money.
(about 600 rounds per hour if I get busy)

A good DILLON press will also last a lifetime and once you get past the initial cost (about 2 GLOCK handguns worth) you will never be AMMO POOR AGAIN.

Here's my humble set up in my workshop:

http://i51.tinypic.com/2zhr33r.jpg

^^^^ can I.... Can I move in with u?

I still live at home,and I can't really afford all that stuff either. But, later down the road I will. I really love guns as a hobby and as a lifestyle.

bohoki
05-04-2011, 8:06 PM
22lr

sigfan91
05-04-2011, 8:08 PM
Ok, Sig Fans, is .22LR conversion kit any good?

I wouldn't get one. The cheapest I've ever seen was $250 during one of the Sig specials. Normally one would cost $300 to $350. I would rather get a Ruger Mk III at that price.

MoBait
05-04-2011, 8:08 PM
Snap Caps...

This. Since my TV broke I fall asleep watching nutnfancy videos and dry firing my guns. I have had some great dreams since my TV broke, too bad its getting fixed tomorrow

Cokebottle
05-04-2011, 8:10 PM
Here's my humble set up in my workshop
He says he doesn't have room to reload and you show him THAT man cave?


Should be showing him the reloading setup that is mounted to and stores inside of a computer case because the guy's parents or room-mates don't like guns.

resident-shooter
05-04-2011, 8:11 PM
22 is lame? lol... I say your paycheck is lame

PandaLuv
05-04-2011, 8:13 PM
I wouldn't get one. The cheapest I've ever seen was $250 during one of the Sig specials. Normally one would cost $300 to $350. I would rather get a Ruger Mk III at that price.
any other semi-auto's besides Ruger MK II that you might recommend?

He says he doesn't have room to reload and you show him THAT man cave?


Should be showing him the reloading setup that is mounted to and stores inside of a computer case because the guy's parents or room-mates don't like guns.

Do you know me? :D

PandaLuv
05-04-2011, 8:13 PM
22 is lame? lol... I say your paycheck is lame

you're not helping me here by stating the obvious :D

Oceanbob
05-04-2011, 8:14 PM
He says he doesn't have room to reload and you show him THAT man cave?


Should be showing him the reloading setup that is mounted to and stores inside of a computer case because the guy's parents or room-mates don't like guns.

LOL..you're right Rich...!

But I must give the lad some goals.......;)

eqlzr
05-04-2011, 8:16 PM
Re: reloading--several years ago now, I got a free reloading press from Lee Loaders as some kind of anniversary-of-the-company deal. Several years and many hundreds of rounds later (including .45-70 rifle rounds), the press still works great and I'm saving about 75-80% versus new ammo costs. Plus, it's educational, very useful, and a relaxing way to unwind. Eventually, I also purchased an RCBS Quick-Change powder measure and an RCBS 1500 digital scale. Vastly enhanced my reloading experience and, looking back, I wish I had gotten those items long ago.

erikdjs
05-04-2011, 8:17 PM
If you just want plinking fun - google the Phoenix Arms .22lr. It has good reviews, it's the cheapest gun you can probably buy and it runs on bulk ammo.

Cokebottle
05-04-2011, 8:19 PM
Do you know me? :D
A Calgunner posted it about a year ago.

It was a really cool setup. Completely stealth when he wasn't using it.

Fishslayer
05-04-2011, 8:19 PM
.22s is so lame though.... lol and reloading, I dont have space to do that

Check out the reloading board on this and other forums. Lots of ideas on reloading in a minimum of space.

When you practice take your time & go for groups. I see guys at the range hosing the place down with a hunnert or two rounds & their targets look like they took a couple boxes of 00 buck at 50 yards....:confused:

Ronk
05-04-2011, 8:25 PM
.22 cheap to shoot, ammo everywhere, still get trigger time..hmm seems win win and win.

NoCash4theRange
05-04-2011, 8:28 PM
Ask yourself if you're a LIFELONG collector, shooter of Guns in general. Not just handguns, but Rifles and maybe even a shotgun or two.

If you decide that you're in this FUN HOBBY for life then change up your immediate priorities.

Put any future Gun Purchases ON HOLD until you get these two items in your home.

1. A large secure GUN SAFE. A good safe will last your lifetime. Something you never sell and always need if you're into shooting sports.

2. For sure get into RELOADING your own AMMO. I can reload for pennies any caliber I desire. I can pump out 1000 rounds of .45 Auto in one hour (on my Dillon 1050) I can reload any Rifle cartridge I want; any pistol caliber I desire. I am now reloading 10MM on my Dillon 550B and again, saving big money.
(about 600 rounds per hour if I get busy)

A good DILLON press will also last a lifetime and once you get past the initial cost (about 2 GLOCK handguns worth) you will never be AMMO POOR AGAIN.

Here's my humble set up in my workshop:

http://i51.tinypic.com/2zhr33r.jpg


I'm printing and framing that picture in hopes of 1 day having a "humble" setup like that....NICE! I'm inspired:D

-NoCash

Fishslayer
05-04-2011, 8:31 PM
I'm printing and framing that picture in hopes of 1 day having a "humble" setup like that....NICE! I'm inspired:D

-NoCash

I'm gonna show it to the wife as proof I don't really spend all that much on my hobby.:cool:

Naturally... all that hardware & I notice the poor SS revolver laying there all alone...:D

davek8s
05-04-2011, 8:32 PM
.22s is so lame though.... lol and reloading, I dont have space to do that

You know whats lame? Not going shooting. Me personally, I take a .22 rifle and pistol everytime I hit the range. Trigger time is trigger time

Low-Pressure
05-04-2011, 8:49 PM
I am currently broke, thus can't spend $260 for 1000 rounds.
I also really want to buy accessories for my pistol (sights, grips, bag etc).

How do you deal with it?

Hang out at the local shooting range and stand by the door holding a can and a sign saying "will work for 9mm". :D

cali_armz
05-04-2011, 8:53 PM
a nice pellet gun works well to get lots of plinking with minimal cost.

22 lr works well too

wang949
05-04-2011, 8:54 PM
I vote for a stock Ruger 10/22. Rifle is cheap and ammo is even cheaper. And over the years you can upgrade that 10/22 action into a scary accurate rifle. Of all my guns, it's the one I shoot most often (minus my 870 for hunting).

Cali-Shooter
05-04-2011, 8:59 PM
I just traded my .22 handgun for a 9mm, I did the opposite thing, lol

G lock
05-04-2011, 9:09 PM
setup a air rifle range in my house :D

Cali-Shooter
05-04-2011, 9:11 PM
setup a air rifle range in my house :D

I'm picking up my second Gamo air rifle tomorrow, nothing beats backyard plinking! High velocity air rifles are my .22's!

Everything else that are actual guns shoot centerfire cartridges.

c483125117
05-04-2011, 9:19 PM
buy a .22

This

MoBait
05-04-2011, 9:21 PM
who know how people watch Cribs on MTV and get excited and giddy and wish they could one day have 20 POS Imported sports cars or a swimming pool inside their attic? When I saw OceanBob's garage I felt like that.

daybreak
05-04-2011, 9:22 PM
I never would have guessed it, but my ruger 10/22 has become my favorite to shoot out of my small collection of an XD9, Maverick 88 12 gauge, and the ruger 10/22.

daybreak
05-04-2011, 9:22 PM
my next purchase was going to be another 9mm, but it looks like it's going to be a 22/45.

626Tony
05-04-2011, 9:26 PM
Oceanbob is my new best friend !!!

TheDeej
05-04-2011, 9:37 PM
.22s is so lame though....

:ban:

You need a .22LR, I shot 500 rounds the other day. It cost me less than $20.

cali_armz
05-04-2011, 9:38 PM
I'm picking up my second Gamo air rifle tomorrow, nothing beats backyard plinking! High velocity air rifles are my .22's!

Everything else that are actual guns shoot centerfire cartridges.

gamo makes good air guns. i have a hunter 220 that ive put tens of thousands of rounds through. beeman also makes nice airguns. i just recently bought one that came with a .177 barrel amd a .22 barrel which are interchangeable.

USMC VET
05-04-2011, 9:43 PM
.22 for sure man. 16.99 can give you a minimum hour (assuming you don't have hi-caps) or as someone put and I do very often..... buy it when you have the cash. I get paid twice a month, first check I buy a brick of .22 and the second check I buy 100rnds of 45. If I end up going to the range I try to buy ammo (if I've got extra cash) for that range trip so I'm not depleting my stock. Before you know it you'll have stock for those dry spells.

ArkinDomino
05-04-2011, 9:54 PM
I never run out of ammo...

Then again I do make decent $$ to support my hobby and I also reload my most expensive calibers (223 and 45).

emy
05-04-2011, 10:00 PM
what other guns do you have, aside from the KRINK? If you have an AR , get a 22 conversion

Timberwolf
05-04-2011, 10:04 PM
Amen on the .22.

PandaLuv
05-04-2011, 10:05 PM
Krink isn't mine. I only have p226

sequoia_nomad
05-04-2011, 10:07 PM
my next purchase was going to be another 9mm, but it looks like it's going to be a 22/45.

You can't go wrong with a 22/45.

And OP, if you are buying your centerfire ammo 1000 rounds at a time and running out that fast, you seriously need to get into reloading. It would be foolish to do otherwise, unless you seriously have more money than time.

rubber duckie
05-04-2011, 10:17 PM
Ok, Sig Fans, is .22LR conversion kit any good?

.22lr conversion is awesome. mine shoots blazer bulk like a champ, no ftf or fte. shooting 25 yards at 3 inch groups and all for 230, best money spent. forget accessories buy the conversion and cheap ammo 16 bucks for 525 rounds. i dont even have any 40 cal for range use i just have some for HD. once you shoot .22 you will be hooked.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/kietlander/random/DSC_0158.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/kietlander/random/DSC_0161.jpg

M.A.B
05-04-2011, 10:18 PM
love my ruger mk 2 22/45, cant beat the price for ammo + trigger time is trigger time

gl0ckc0ma
05-04-2011, 10:20 PM
Any good reloaders that aren't too expensive anyone can recommend?

PandaLuv
05-04-2011, 10:21 PM
.22lr conversion is awesome. mine shoots blazer bulk like a champ, no ftf or fte. shooting 25 yards at 3 inch groups and all for 230, best money spent. forget accessories buy the conversion and cheap ammo 16 bucks for 525 rounds. i dont even have any 40 cal for range use i just have some for HD. once you shoot .22 you will be hooked.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/kietlander/random/DSC_0158.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/kietlander/random/DSC_0161.jpg

How much did u get yours for and where did u get it?

rubber duckie
05-04-2011, 10:24 PM
i got mine from buds for 229 shipped.

biker777
05-04-2011, 10:24 PM
its easy, no money to buy ammo? get a slingshot and some rocks and fire away!

ROTC sniper
05-04-2011, 10:28 PM
Stop focusing on not having any money and go figure out how to make more. If it's that important to you to shoot, you'd figure out a way to do it cheaper (reload and .22 as everyone here has said) and at the same time make more money.

Ricky808maui
05-04-2011, 10:28 PM
1. Reload
2. Buy a .22
3. Buy a airsoft

jermzzzzzzz
05-04-2011, 10:31 PM
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=540808 DUH!

PandaLuv
05-04-2011, 10:31 PM
i got mine from buds for 229 shipped.

That's not bad, it will safe a bunch of money on ammo. $300=1000 rounds so that's logical.

The frame, weight and trigger pull will be the same. I love shooting and the conversion kit will help my accuracy.

Quick question though, I heard mags are crappy plastic, the slide doesn't lock back, is that true? Also, will it work with my older version p226?

Ricky808maui
05-04-2011, 10:34 PM
1.Walmart (lately prices goin up though)
2.Reload
3.Buy a .22 conversion
4.Buy a airsoft gun

PandaLuv
05-04-2011, 10:34 PM
Stop focusing on not having any money and go figure out how to make more. If it's that important to you to shoot, you'd figure out a way to do it cheaper (reload and .22 as everyone here has said) and at the same time make more money.

I work at sales, so my checks always fluctuate.
But making more money is always on my agenda, don't you worry about that

UserM4
05-04-2011, 10:34 PM
From now on, anyone that I introduce into shooting seriously, I'm gonna tell them that they should really consider the cost of reloading equipment when purchasing a firearm. Because if they start to shoot a lot, they're gonna kick themselves for spending thousands, if not tens of thousands of dollars on factory ammo. Especially rifle calibers.

If you're gonna get into shooting, cost of entry is going to be...
1. Gun
2. Reloading equipment
3. Reloading components (ammo)
4. .22LR gun
5. .22LR ammo

Before my reloading equipment, I was shooting about 1000 rounds of 9mm and 200 rounds of bulk .223 a month. It got much more expensive when I started shooting .45ACP and match .223. But that's roughly $4,000 a year on ammo. Just in the first year, with that money, I could've bought my reloading equipment and made just as much ammo in components.

Skunk2Racer
05-04-2011, 10:35 PM
Play Call of duty Black Ops.....:rofl2:

rubber duckie
05-04-2011, 10:36 PM
Quick question though, I heard mags are crappy plastic, the slide doesn't lock back, is that true? Also, will it work with my older version p226?

yeah mags are plastic, but hey they work. the slide doesnt lock back, but who cares, just keep count when you shoot. im sure it will work, to bad your up north or i will let you try it out.

you can always buy an extended follower to make the slide lock back. https://www.collectors-society-slabs.com/shoppingcart/categories/Sig-22LR-Upgrade-Parts-*ORDER/

PandaLuv
05-04-2011, 10:43 PM
Play Call of duty Black Ops.....:rofl2:


I stopped playing video games since I got into guns :D

From now on, anyone that I introduce into shooting seriously, I'm gonna tell them that they should really consider the cost of reloading equipment when purchasing a firearm. Because if they start to shoot a lot, they're gonna kick themselves for spending thousands, if not tens of thousands of dollars on factory ammo. Especially rifle calibers.

If you're gonna get into shooting, cost of entry is going to be...
1. Gun
2. Reloading equipment
3. Reloading components (ammo)
4. .22LR gun
5. .22LR ammo

Before my reloading equipment, I was shooting about 1000 rounds of 9mm and 200 rounds of bulk .223 a month. It got much more expensive when I started shooting .45ACP and match .223. But that's roughly $4,000 a year on ammo. Just in the first year, with that money, I could've bought my reloading equipment and made just as much ammo in components.
I wasn't thinking to be honest. I didn't realize how fast I can go through ammo. I bought 500 rounds when I picked my sig. Went through all of it in 3 weeks.

yeah mags are plastic, but hey they work. the slide doesnt lock back, but who cares, just keep count when you shoot. im sure it will work, to bad your up north or i will let you try it out.

you can always buy an extended follower to make the slide lock back. https://www.collectors-society-slabs.com/shoppingcart/categories/Sig-22LR-Upgrade-Parts-*ORDER/

Thanks, I appreciate :)
So is it safe to dry fire it?

rubber duckie
05-04-2011, 10:51 PM
yes and no. sig designed it to be safe on last round. but i wouldn't sit there and dry fire like i would with my .40 upper on with snap cap.

PandaLuv
05-04-2011, 10:59 PM
Alright, I just wanted to know if it's ok to dry fire the last round.

Btw, I checked buds, they are sold out. Every other site sells it for 300 and up

rubber duckie
05-04-2011, 11:04 PM
wow that sux. i just bought mine like 2.5 weeks ago.

jt-cali
05-04-2011, 11:11 PM
I'll trade ya 1000rd for your gun. You'll never run out of ammo without a gun :-).

PandaLuv
05-04-2011, 11:12 PM
Lol^^^
It better me 50AE than :)

cebuvfr
05-04-2011, 11:15 PM
.22lr conversion is awesome. mine shoots blazer bulk like a champ, no ftf or fte. shooting 25 yards at 3 inch groups and all for 230, best money spent. forget accessories buy the conversion and cheap ammo 16 bucks for 525 rounds. i dont even have any 40 cal for range use i just have some for HD. once you shoot .22 you will be hooked.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/kietlander/random/DSC_0158.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/kietlander/random/DSC_0161.jpg


this!

Penguin4091
05-04-2011, 11:19 PM
I shoot my .22 or wait for my next pay check with bated breath.

himurax13
05-04-2011, 11:24 PM
Pandaluv, a .22 lr is fine once you have the kit, broken it in, and have several mags. The initial investment is a bit costly. It is good for showing off your flaws and can help when you are flinching. I can drill one inch shot groups at 7 yards with little difficulty. I have a few Sig kits (one of which I might sell) and they work good but they are not good for rapid fire or reloading drills. The magazines are expensive and not very good. It is great for when you bring someone to the range and you don't want them blowing through your ammo.

Reloading is a better option but you need a lot of space and a good bit of money on the initial investment. I have spent far more more money on reloading than buying guns but, I have shot 10 times more than the year before. I also have enough supplies to keep on shooting for at least 6 months if I ran out of money today ;).

Womenbeshoppin
05-04-2011, 11:25 PM
I feel less of a man when I fire a 22 :rofl2: , I'd just save up for a 9. Or is the p226 9mm model you have already?

PandaLuv
05-04-2011, 11:28 PM
Pandaluv, a .22 lr is fine once you have the kit, broken it in, and have several mags. The initial investment is a bit costly. It is good for showing off your flaws and can help when you are flinching. I can drill one inch shot groups at 7 yards with little difficulty. I have a few Sig kits (one of which I might sell) and they work good but they are not good for rapid fire or reloading drills. The magazines are expensive and not very good. It is great for when you bring someone to the range and you don't want them blowing through your ammo.

Reloading is a better option but you need a lot of space and a good bit of money on the initial investment. I have spent far more more money on reloading than buying guns but, I have shot 10 times more than the year before. I also have enough supplies to keep on shooting for at least 6 months if I ran out of money today ;).

I guess what I am gonna do is buy 100 rounds and then not shoot for a 2 months and get the kit.

melman
05-04-2011, 11:31 PM
buy a .22
+1

.22s is so lame though.... lol and reloading, I dont have space to do that
I thought the same, but now i have a sig522, its so much fun to shoot


http://i51.tinypic.com/2zhr33r.jpg
NICE!

22 is lame? lol... I say your paycheck is lame
:rofl:

IPSICK
05-04-2011, 11:37 PM
Reloading is an option but as himurax13 says you will need some money on the initial investment. However, I've seen some reloading setups place in a medium sized walk-in closet. So small spaces may be ok if you are meticulous on your setup.

2 additional things to consider with dry-fire:

1. How small are your groups? If you're not shooting at least 3-5" groups at 25-yards continue proper dry-fire practice. Btw, I'm not shooting this accurately offhand at 25-yards either though I can with a sandbag rest. So I dry-fire as often as I can. You also don't need any special gizmos either. Just watch and train your eye to have a razor sharp focus on the front sight while maintaining alignment through the trigger press.

2. Was you SiG purchased new? If so, high volume dry-fire trigger pulls is like a free trigger job. A few thousand double-action dry-fire pulls like I described above will improve your accuracy exponentially while lightening and smoothening your trigger.

For action shooters, they say a majority of their improvements come from proper dry-fire drills done at home.

Grumpyoldretiredcop
05-04-2011, 11:37 PM
Break out the .22LR conversions or go out into the garage and take it out on my indoor airsoft target.

IPSICK
05-04-2011, 11:41 PM
Btw, the only 22lr conversion that I ever thought that was worth anything was my 22lr AR upper. If you can, I would just get a dedicated 22lr pistol (although I have more than glancingly considered a Marvel conversion for my 1911).

Omil
05-04-2011, 11:42 PM
its easy, no money to buy ammo? get a slingshot and some rocks and fire away!

:rofl2:

rubber duckie
05-04-2011, 11:47 PM
go out into the garage and take it out on my indoor airsoft target.

forget that, quality airsoft guns are the same as getting a .22lr gun.

j1133s
05-04-2011, 11:50 PM
I am currently broke, thus can't spend $260 for 1000 rounds.
I also really want to buy accessories for my pistol (sights, grips, bag etc).

How do you deal with it?

If you want to improve your shooting, you can do dry fire practice.

I'd not waste money on accessories; just become a better shot w/ dry fire practice. Then use the saved up money for ammo and match fees to demonstrate your abilities.

cali_armz
05-04-2011, 11:57 PM
ive found that ammunition is way too expensive. il buy it, then i dont even want to use it cause it costs so much.

but ive come to really love my m&p 15-22. i have no problem dumping out rounds with that

cali_armz
05-05-2011, 12:00 AM
forget that, quality airsoft guns are the same as getting a .22lr gun.

i think the best thing an airsoft gun is for is simply the look they have. they do look very realistic, but pellet guns are much better for actual practicing with.

hkdad
05-05-2011, 12:05 AM
Dryfire dryfire dryfire.... learned how to reload... since then... never worried about running out of ammo. :D

gatesbox
05-05-2011, 12:21 AM
Panda, maybe I should just keep my mouth shut, but I'm looking at the big picture of your story here....you join the forum in Jan, I remember your long threads on which gun to buy and why, what caliber, what do I do about this and that, how stoked you are to pick it up, etc. Etc. Now you have a thousand posts.

Maybe if you read half as much as you write you could answer your own questions...and I don't mean for that to sound rude. In one of your posts here you are already talking about a g17, which IMHO would have been a better choice to begin with. I think you said you don't have your own residence...am I the only one who thinks priorities are a little askew.

If you can't afford ammo than you have a vey nice paper weight....lock it up for a time in your life when you can afford to keep it...maybe black ops isnt such a bad idea for now, or airsoft......I don't see how buying a .22 conversion or another pistol is going to somehow make you wealthy enough to support your marksmanship hobby and training.

Now for the more constructive advice...Unless you are tearing up the 10ring at 25 yards you probably need to slow down, pop off about 50 controlled rounds per session about once a week at the most. Stockpiling ammo can be as easy as picking up a 50 count every time you stop into big five, or Wally world.

Have you sought good training...check out tactical training associates, or make sure you are going to a range or club with helpful folks to get you shooting good groups...maybe you are a savant, I'm not the authority on these things....

JaeFern
05-05-2011, 12:34 AM
Panda, maybe I should just keep my mouth shut, but I'm looking at the big picture of your story here....you join the forum in Jan, I remember your long threads on which gun to buy and why, what caliber, what do I do about this and that, how stoked you are to pick it up, etc. Etc. Now you have a thousand posts.
keep in mind, probably half of that thousand is him posting his one word responses to everyone's threads.... ":useless:".

IPSICK
05-05-2011, 12:36 AM
Panda, maybe I should just keep my mouth shut, but I'm looking at the big picture of your story here....you join the forum in Jan, I remember your long threads on which gun to buy and why, what caliber, what do I do about this and that, how stoked you are to pick it up, etc. Etc. Now you have a thousand posts.

Maybe if you read half as much as you write you could answer your own questions...and I don't mean for that to sound rude. In one of your posts here you are already talking about a g17, which IMHO would have been a better choice to begin with. I think you said you don't have your own residence...am I the only one who thinks priorities are a little askew.

If you can't afford ammo than you have a vey nice paper weight....lock it up for a time in your life when you can afford to keep it...maybe black ops isnt such a bad idea for now, or airsoft......I don't see how buying a .22 conversion or another pistol is going to somehow make you wealthy enough to support your marksmanship hobby and training.

Now for the more constructive advice...Unless you are tearing up the 10ring at 25 yards you probably need to slow down, pop off about 50 controlled rounds per session about once a week at the most. Stockpiling ammo can be as easy as picking up a 50 count every time you stop into big five, or Wally world.

Have you sought good training...check out tactical training associates, or make sure you are going to a range or club with helpful folks to get you shooting good groups...maybe you are a savant, I'm not the authority on these things....

Meanie :) j/k. Good advice

Btw, for me 50 rounds per range session is a waste of time and money.

Range fee $13 + my prep time to get ready to go to range (time = money).

22lr and dry-fire are your friends.

I didn't realize the OP ha so many posts in such a short time.

PandaLuv
05-05-2011, 12:50 AM
I do spend a lot of time here

PandaLuv
05-05-2011, 12:54 AM
Anyways, I need to think about what I should do... :(

Q619
05-05-2011, 1:12 AM
Every REAL gun nut has a .22, NOTHING is better for the war on squirrels, plinking and honing/keeping your skills sharp. That and reloading are a must. I've never been out of ammo for my guns but that's because I plan ahead, stock up and shoot less than I buy/load. Reloading doesn't save any money so much as allow you to shoot more on your current ammo budget.

As much as I shoot other calibers, I DEFINITELY shoot rimfire the most. It's a blast if you're into marksmanship. If you just want to feel recoil and make Swiss cheese out of a target, it's definitely not the best choice. I see plenty of guys with .44 magnums at the range that can't hit the broad side of a barn but are still having fun....different strokes I guess.

Markus
05-05-2011, 1:36 AM
I do a few things that help me be able to shoot no matter how little I have in my pocket.

1. Get a range membership hopefully one where you can shoot for free so you dont have to worry about range fees on top of ammo.

2. Whenever I make a Walmart ammo run I always buy a box of .22

3. .22s Ive got a 10/22 a 22/45 and a conversion kit so I can keep changing things up with the same .22 ammo.

4. Reload its a big initial investment but once you get that over with you basically have access to ammo thats cheaper than anything at the gunshow.

5. Maybe invest in a weapon with large recoil? I myself find a few rounds out of the M44 make me feel all shiny and new.

supersonic
05-05-2011, 1:38 AM
.22s is so lame though.... lol and reloading, I dont have space to do that

^^That has got to be the all-time winner of the "most lame CGN post EVER."

keep in mind, probably half of that thousand is him posting his one word responses to everyone's threads.... ":useless:".

OUCH!!.........That's gotta sting just a tad.:owned:

(you can always tell who the CGN members are who spend all their time on here trying to get their post count high - instead of actually doing anything, like shooting, training, self-educating - by a long, ridiculous string of "LOL", "NICE GUN!", ":eek:", "Ooohhh", "Aaahhh", and other assorted senseless minutia);)

intheknow
05-05-2011, 2:01 AM
I am currently broke, thus can't spend $260 for 1000 rounds.
I also really want to buy accessories for my pistol (sights, grips, bag etc).

How do you deal with it?

do what everyone else does, dress up like a bum and smear dirt on your face, make a sign with cardboard with a black sharpie with purposely bad spelling, park your BMW a block away from the corner youre at... and youll rake in about 30 dollars an hour if you get a busy freeway exit...

JaeFern
05-05-2011, 2:05 AM
Anyways, I need to think about what I should do... :(

My honest opinion, it doesn't sound like you can pull off starting in the reloading business, at the moment at least. Invest in a 22lr conversion kit and start there. Post your wants in the WTB section or respond to the previous poster who mentioned that they may be selling one of their conversion kits. I know 300 sounds expensive but take a look around your place. Are there things you don't really need or use? Sell them. By the looks of your gun enthusiasm, a conversion kit is something you really do need and will definitely use. Try not to wait too long to find that deal on a conversion kit that saves you 50 bucks. You might end up spending that on your ammo while you wait for that deal. Despite my crack at your post quantity vs quality, I do have good intentions with this reply as does everyone here.
Conclusion:
Realistically, reloading isn't a good option for you right now. Buy some snapcaps and a 22lr conversion when you can. Sell some junk on craigslist if you need to. At that point, budgets for shooting will become less if a problem. From there, work your priorities and cross each bridge as you get to them. Good luck with whichever route you decide to follow.

P.S. Check back a few posts and see if that poster who mentioned possibly selling one of their conversion kits will hook you up.

IPSICK
05-05-2011, 2:11 AM
For $300, just get another gun. .22lr this time.

Tiberius
05-05-2011, 2:18 AM
Archery!

JeffM
05-05-2011, 2:24 AM
Panda, maybe I should just keep my mouth shut, but I'm looking at the big picture of your story here....you join the forum in Jan, I remember your long threads on which gun to buy and why, what caliber, what do I do about this and that, how stoked you are to pick it up, etc. Etc. Now you have a thousand posts.

Maybe if you read half as much as you write you could answer your own questions...and I don't mean for that to sound rude. In one of your posts here you are already talking about a g17, which IMHO would have been a better choice to begin with. I think you said you don't have your own residence...am I the only one who thinks priorities are a little askew.

If you can't afford ammo than you have a vey nice paper weight....lock it up for a time in your life when you can afford to keep it...maybe black ops isnt such a bad idea for now, or airsoft......I don't see how buying a .22 conversion or another pistol is going to somehow make you wealthy enough to support your marksmanship hobby and training.

Now for the more constructive advice...Unless you are tearing up the 10ring at 25 yards you probably need to slow down, pop off about 50 controlled rounds per session about once a week at the most. Stockpiling ammo can be as easy as picking up a 50 count every time you stop into big five, or Wally world.

Have you sought good training...check out tactical training associates, or make sure you are going to a range or club with helpful folks to get you shooting good groups...maybe you are a savant, I'm not the authority on these things....

Well said.

1. Get a better job, or do better at the one you have.

2. Work on your typing skills. Your posts make you sound unemployable at anything above a part-time minimum wage job.

3. Read books. Ones without pictures. Get off the internet for a while. It makes you smarter. Seriously. This will help with numbers 1 and 2.

4. Stay at home with the folks. Free rent is a godsend. This will also help prevent you from getting a chick pregnant. You think you are broke now! Move out when you have 1-3 covered.

5. Sell your Sig and buy a .22 and a healthy supply of ammo with the proceeds. Shoot that until 1-4 are satisfied and you can buy and shoot centerfire like a grown up.

McTerry
05-05-2011, 2:26 AM
How do you deal with it?

Find a woman to infuse daily drama into your life to distract you from your own hobbies. Trust me it works, you will go a couple of months before you realize you haven't been able to do anything you wanted to do and then will rediscover your pistol, go on a rebelling kick and buy some ammo, drive out to the desert and blow holes in cactus (not endangered ones)... Just make sure you are deep enough into the desert to be out of cell phone range...

When you go home, you can argue with her until she storms out to call her mother or friend and then you can cool off by cleaning your pistol and by the time she comes back it will be all locked away and forgotten about while you try to patch things over with her and begin your two month practice of appeasing her every want and need.

johnthomas
05-05-2011, 2:28 AM
Get into accuracy instead of a lot of recoil and noise, and shoot the real-steel Weihrauch airguns from Germany with clockwork adjustable Rekord triggers that I had the good sense to buy years ago.

After looking at their web site, I don't think a guy with no money could buy one of those air guns. They are nice though.
http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/Weihrauch.htm

jermzzzzzzz
05-05-2011, 2:29 AM
True Story?

Bulleh
05-05-2011, 2:34 AM
Ask yourself if you're a LIFELONG collector, shooter of Guns in general. Not just handguns, but Rifles and maybe even a shotgun or two.

If you decide that you're in this FUN HOBBY for life then change up your immediate priorities.

Put any future Gun Purchases ON HOLD until you get these two items in your home.

1. A large secure GUN SAFE. A good safe will last your lifetime. Something you never sell and always need if you're into shooting sports.

2. For sure get into RELOADING your own AMMO. I can reload for pennies any caliber I desire. I can pump out 1000 rounds of .45 Auto in one hour (on my Dillon 1050) I can reload any Rifle cartridge I want; any pistol caliber I desire. I am now reloading 10MM on my Dillon 550B and again, saving big money.
(about 600 rounds per hour if I get busy)

A good DILLON press will also last a lifetime and once you get past the initial cost (about 2 GLOCK handguns worth) you will never be AMMO POOR AGAIN.

Here's my humble set up in my workshop:

http://i51.tinypic.com/2zhr33r.jpg


I kid you no, I was drinking my protein shake before I saw this and spit it all over my computer screen. The end result is really nasty...but wow. Impressive I have to say at the least. I like your box of tsing tao too, good beer that not a lot of people know about.


To answer the OP's question, get a 22LR or at least a 9mm. Theres a group buy for ammo somewhere in the commercial deals, $160 for 1k rounds of 9mm. That's quite a steal.

rubber duckie
05-05-2011, 2:49 AM
I like your box of tsing tao too, good beer that not a lot of people know about.


lol great eye, i bet your pro at where's waldo...

Bulleh
05-05-2011, 4:43 AM
lol great eye, i bet your pro at where's waldo...

I'm only good at finding things I like. Beer, woman and guns. Waldo never made the list sadly :D

supersonic
05-05-2011, 7:12 AM
Find a woman to infuse daily drama into your life to distract you from your own hobbies. Trust me it works, you will go a couple of months before you realize you haven't been able to do anything you wanted to do and then will rediscover your pistol, go on a rebelling kick and buy some ammo, drive out to the desert and blow holes in cactus (not endangered ones)... Just make sure you are deep enough into the desert to be out of cell phone range...

When you go home, you can argue with her until she storms out to call her mother or friend and then you can cool off by cleaning your pistol and by the time she comes back it will be all locked away and forgotten about while you try to patch things over with her and begin your two month practice of appeasing her every want and need.

^^^POST OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!!:punk:

Fishslayer
05-05-2011, 7:12 AM
Any good reloaders that aren't too expensive anyone can recommend?

A Lee Classic Turret will get you crankin' 'em out for around $300 total. You'll add stuff as you go. I just can't bring myself to recommend a single stage for loading pistol ammo.

ZX-10R
05-05-2011, 7:15 AM
You don't stockpile ammo? You need to save and stockpile ammo. Having guns with no ammo makes having a gun useless.

crazychinaman
05-05-2011, 7:18 AM
I am currently broke, thus can't spend $260 for 1000 rounds.
I also really want to buy accessories for my pistol (sights, grips, bag etc).

How do you deal with it?

Go clean the rest of my guns,go reload more ammo for a later date and sign up for more overtime at work .

Low-Pressure
05-05-2011, 7:48 AM
Panda, maybe I should just keep my mouth shut, but I'm looking at the big picture of your story here....you join the forum in Jan, I remember your long threads on which gun to buy and why, what caliber, what do I do about this and that, how stoked you are to pick it up, etc. Etc. Now you have a thousand posts.

Maybe if you read half as much as you write you could answer your own questions...and I don't mean for that to sound rude. In one of your posts here you are already talking about a g17, which IMHO would have been a better choice to begin with. I think you said you don't have your own residence...am I the only one who thinks priorities are a little askew.

If you can't afford ammo than you have a vey nice paper weight....lock it up for a time in your life when you can afford to keep it...maybe black ops isnt such a bad idea for now, or airsoft......I don't see how buying a .22 conversion or another pistol is going to somehow make you wealthy enough to support your marksmanship hobby and training.

Now for the more constructive advice...Unless you are tearing up the 10ring at 25 yards you probably need to slow down, pop off about 50 controlled rounds per session about once a week at the most. Stockpiling ammo can be as easy as picking up a 50 count every time you stop into big five, or Wally world.

Have you sought good training...check out tactical training associates, or make sure you are going to a range or club with helpful folks to get you shooting good groups...maybe you are a savant, I'm not the authority on these things....

^^^FTW^^^

ubet
05-05-2011, 8:15 AM
Find a woman to infuse daily drama into your life to distract you from your own hobbies. Trust me it works, you will go a couple of months before you realize you haven't been able to do anything you wanted to do and then will rediscover your pistol, go on a rebelling kick and buy some ammo, drive out to the desert and blow holes in cactus (not endangered ones)... Just make sure you are deep enough into the desert to be out of cell phone range...

When you go home, you can argue with her until she storms out to call her mother or friend and then you can cool off by cleaning your pistol and by the time she comes back it will be all locked away and forgotten about while you try to patch things over with her and begin your two month practice of appeasing her every want and need.

Thats seriously funny **** right there!

I must have a rare wife, and be very lucky. She tolerates my guns in all corners of the house, my man cave being a whole room to myself, complete with beer fridge. She never bats an eye when more bullets or things show up, just smiles and is pleased I have things that I like doing.

Captain Jack
05-05-2011, 8:44 AM
I must have a rare wife, and be very lucky. She tolerates my guns in all corners of the house, my man cave being a whole room to myself, complete with beer fridge. She never bats an eye when more bullets or things show up, just smiles and is pleased I have things that I like doing.

We both must be lucky men as my girlfriend pretty much carries the same attitude. She is fully aware that she comes second to my firearms. I kid, of course.

This is what our conversation looks like when I bring home a new gun:

GF: Do you really need that many guns?
Me: Do you really need that many shoes?
GF: Haha, touche.

I love my GF :D

PandaLuv
05-05-2011, 9:21 AM
Find a woman to infuse daily drama into your life to distract you from your own hobbies. Trust me it works, you will go a couple of months before you realize you haven't been able to do anything you wanted to do and then will rediscover your pistol, go on a rebelling kick and buy some ammo, drive out to the desert and blow holes in cactus (not endangered ones)... Just make sure you are deep enough into the desert to be out of cell phone range...

When you go home, you can argue with her until she storms out to call her mother or friend and then you can cool off by cleaning your pistol and by the time she comes back it will be all locked away and forgotten about while you try to patch things over with her and begin your two month practice of appeasing her every want and need.

Lol well said, I already have a GF. Cause of her I could not buy my first gun for a while cause I met her a month before I turned 21. she still bi*ches at me all the time when I am on calguns, clean my gun or shop around for accessories. I just need to calm down a little and enjoy my sig for a little longer

J.D.Allen
05-05-2011, 10:02 AM
Dry fire drills.

This. I don't care if it's boring. People fail to emphasize this as much as they should in their training and practice. Spice it up a little. Put a spent casing on top of the slide and practice dry firing without the casing falling off.

Also practice drawing and aquiring your target. Practice moving to cover while drawing. practice aquiring your target while moving, off balance, etc. You'd be surprised how many bad habits you'll catch yourself doing and be able to correct.

You can do all this without firing a single round. It's fun, and beneficial to your shooting skills at the same time. :thumbsup:

Virtuosity
05-05-2011, 10:10 AM
Has anyone tried the SureStrike Laser Ammo? I was thinking about getting it to practice at home. Though it's pricey @ $160, thought it would be better than just DF. At least you can see what you're hitting. Any thoughts?

Magic Bullet Laser Ammo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sofzweMYPAc&feature=player_embedded)

http://www.amazon.com/Laser-Ammo-9MBSCK-SureStrike-Cartridge/dp/B004F1D48K

SGGear
05-05-2011, 10:13 AM
Reload! I shoot twice as much now.

IrishPirate
05-05-2011, 10:14 AM
when i can't go shooting, i spend a lot of time here (http://www.calguns.net)

PandaLuv
05-05-2011, 10:15 AM
when i can't go shooting, i spend a lot of time here (http://www.calguns.net)

if you haven't noticed (other members did), I do the same thing and I got scolded for being here all the time.

This. I don't care if it's boring. People fail to emphasize this as much as they should in their training and practice. Spice it up a little. Put a spent casing on top of the slide and practice dry firing without the casing falling off.

Also practice drawing and aquiring your target. Practice moving to cover while drawing. practice aquiring your target while moving, off balance, etc. You'd be surprised how many bad habits you'll catch yourself doing and be able to correct.

You can do all this without firing a single round. It's fun, and beneficial to your shooting skills at the same time. :thumbsup:

thanks man, I do dry fire a lot and practice reloading with snap caps, I need to try other stuff you have said

HK Dave
05-05-2011, 10:21 AM
buy a .22

+1

I got me a 22LR AR and a 22LR Glock conversion... can shoot to my hearts content... all friggin day for $15. :D

sigfan91
05-05-2011, 10:31 AM
any other semi-auto's besides Ruger MK II that you might recommend?

The only one I have experience with are Ruger Mk II (love it, want to get one of my own), Beretta 948, and Phoenix 22. The Beretta 948 and Phoenix 22 are in the same class. They are harder to shoot than the much heavier Mk II.

Ruger Mk III is almost like the Mk II. I posted in the rimfire section asking about the differences. I'd rather have a Mk II but a Mk III would suffice. Being from the Ruger line, Mk III should be just as reliable as the Mk II. I have never seen any other 22 (semi auto) firearm as reliable as the Ruger brand.

Another suggestion is a Heritage Rough Rider single action 22 revolver. I was looking at one because it was cheap ($200). It might be perfect for you because you can only load 6 rounds at a time. It would take you a while before you finish a box of 525 round of bulk ammo. You will never have to buy magazines for a revolver. There won't be any feeding issues. There are no accessories for you to waste your money on. It's the perfect beginner's practice gun on a budget.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/577

Interesting...I didn't know there are factory blems for cheap at Buds. You can get one with a conversion cylinder to fire 22 mag rounds, just in case you need to take out a squirrel on steroids.

PandaLuv
05-05-2011, 10:44 AM
I am not a revolver kind of guy, even if it is for practice. I am kind of debating on not buying ammo for a month and just buy the conversion kit or the ruger instead.

sigfan91
05-05-2011, 10:55 AM
I am not a revolver kind of guy, even if it is for practice. I am kind of debating on not buying ammo for a month and just buy the conversion kit or the ruger instead.

Revolvers are fun. I would shoot mine more if they used cheap ammo like 22LR. My main revolver is a replica Colt SAA in 357 magnum. I haven't gotten around to buy bulk ammo for it. Maybe next time Mark does a group buy in OC...

If you are hell bent on NOT getting a revolver, then I suggest a Ruger Mk III, just a plain one will do. I prefer 5.5" barrel over the 4" barrel. It's heavier and a real honey to shoot.

tacticalcity
05-05-2011, 10:56 AM
You should be doing dry practice anyway ;).

gorenut
05-05-2011, 10:56 AM
I had a .22 conversion kit for the Sig. Didn't like it. At that point, I'd rather dry fire. It was picky and only fed CCI Minimags reliably. I've heard other people have better experiences with it. Also, because its rimfire.. you either have to count your rounds or get a follower so that:
A. You don't pull the trigger without something in the chamber.. which ruins the firing pin on rimfires
B. Your slide locks back after the last shot.

The alternative to doing this is just putting a spent case for the 10th round.. so you pretty much have to shoot 9 rounds at a time.

What I eventually did was just get a lasertrainer that fits into the bore of any gun. Gives me the same feedback as a .22, except I can train anytime and anywhere after all safety checks. As boring as you think dryfiring is.. its an integral part of training and I can personally say its improved my marksmanship by over 10-folds.

I'm lucky enough that I'm never out of ammo (crosses fingers). I buy in bulk and always try to have a surplus. There is a member on here that does group ammo buys for reloaded ammo. Great guy and if you live in any of his drop off points, it's an easy transaction. 1,000 rounds of 9mm for $180.

CSACANNONEER
05-05-2011, 10:57 AM
.22s is so lame though.... lol and reloading, I dont have space to do that

First of all, although it looks like you might be coming around. The only thing lame about .22lrs is the people who think that .22s are lame. These are usually the same people who feel the need to compensate for their short comings. Sure, some of us shoot cannons and 50BMGs but, we tend to like .22s too. Pesonally, I have more .22lrs than all other calibers/cartridges combined. I'm guessing, I have over 40 of them. .22lrs are used in many different types of competitions includeing many olympic events. .22lrs are actually a lot harder to shoot precisely than centerfire cartidges because, you can't taylor your rimfire loads to your gun. You just have to use what you can buy commercially. So, drop the macho crap and go buy a few rimfires. Do not treat them as toys. They will be far more valuable training equipment than a Sig without ammo ever will be.

any other semi-auto's besides Ruger MK II that you might recommend?


For a first .22 (of course, I told you to get a .22 as your first gun), you should get a rifle. But, since you seem hell bent on getting a handgun, stich with Ruger, Browning or High Standard for a semi auto. For a revolver, just about anything short of a RG or cheap import will do nicely. I suggest staying away from Beretta Neos, Walther P22, S&W 22A, Sig Mosquitos, etc. All of them tend to start developing problems between 10K and 20K rounds. A Ruger MKII, MKIII or Browning Buckmark will last at least 10 times that long. Of course, there are nicer .22lrs out there but, for a first gun, get a reliable gun built like a tank instead of an Olympic style or other expensive gun.

IrishPirate
05-05-2011, 10:57 AM
if you haven't noticed (other members did), I do the same thing and I got scolded for being here all the time.


others can send me some ammo if they're so concerned...

PandaLuv
05-05-2011, 11:04 AM
others can send me some ammo if they're so concerned...
I know, right?
First of all, although it looks like you might be coming around. The only thing lame about .22lrs is the people who think that .22s are lame. These are usually the same people who feel the need to compensate for their short comings. Sure, some of us shoot cannons and 50BMGs but, we tend to like .22s too. Pesonally, I have more .22lrs than all other calibers/cartridges combined. I'm guessing, I have over 40 of them. .22lrs are used in many different types of competitions includeing many olympic events. .22lrs are actually a lot harder to shoot precisely than centerfire cartidges because, you can't taylor your rimfire loads to your gun. You just have to use what you can buy commercially. So, drop the macho crap and go buy a few rimfires. Do not treat them as toys. They will be far more valuable training equipment than a Sig without ammo ever will be.



For a first .22 (of course, I told you to get a .22 as your first gun), you should get a rifle. But, since you seem hell bent on getting a handgun, stich with Ruger, Browning or High Standard for a semi auto. For a revolver, just about anything short of a RG or cheap import will do nicely. I suggest staying away from Beretta Neos, Walther P22, S&W 22A, Sig Mosquitos, etc. All of them tend to start developing problems between 10K and 20K rounds. A Ruger MKII, MKIII or Browning Buckmark will last at least 10 times that long. Of course, there are nicer .22lrs out there but, for a first gun, get a reliable gun built like a tank instead of an Olympic style or other expensive gun.
Alright, thanks man. I take back what I said about 22lr.
I had a .22 conversion kit for the Sig. Didn't like it. At that point, I'd rather dry fire. It was picky and only fed CCI Minimags reliably. I've heard other people have better experiences with it. Also, because its rimfire.. you either have to count your rounds or get a follower so that:
A. You don't pull the trigger without something in the chamber.. which ruins the firing pin on rimfires
B. Your slide locks back after the last shot.

The alternative to doing this is just putting a spent case for the 10th round.. so you pretty much have to shoot 9 rounds at a time.

What I eventually did was just get a lasertrainer that fits into the bore of any gun. Gives me the same feedback as a .22, except I can train anytime and anywhere after all safety checks. As boring as you think dryfiring is.. its an integral part of training and I can personally say its improved my marksmanship by over 10-folds.

I'm lucky enough that I'm never out of ammo (crosses fingers). I buy in bulk and always try to have a surplus. There is a member on here that does group ammo buys for reloaded ammo. Great guy and if you live in any of his drop off points, it's an easy transaction. 1,000 rounds of 9mm for $180.

Thanks for the review, gorenut. When it comes to sigs, you know your sh*t :D
Revolvers are fun. I would shoot mine more if they used cheap ammo like 22LR. My main revolver is a replica Colt SAA in 357 magnum. I haven't gotten around to buy bulk ammo for it. Maybe next time Mark does a group buy in OC...

If you are hell bent on NOT getting a revolver, then I suggest a Ruger Mk III, just a plain one will do. I prefer 5.5" barrel over the 4" barrel. It's heavier and a real honey to shoot.

I need to head over to a local gun shop again

sigfan91
05-05-2011, 11:13 AM
For a first .22 (of course, I told you to get a .22 as your first gun), you should get a rifle. But, since you seem hell bent on getting a handgun, stich with Ruger, Browning or High Standard for a semi auto. For a revolver, just about anything short of a RG or cheap import will do nicely. I suggest staying away from Beretta Neos, Walther P22, S&W 22A, Sig Mosquitos, etc. All of them tend to start developing problems between 10K and 20K rounds. A Ruger MKII, MKIII or Browning Buckmark will last at least 10 times that long. Of course, there are nicer .22lrs out there but, for a first gun, get a reliable gun built like a tank instead of an Olympic style or other expensive gun.

Yes, I forgot to mention that. Those neat looking 22 pistols aren't built like a Ruger Mk II/III, i.e. a tank. Sig Mosquito is actually made by GSG, not by Sig. I don't know about Walther P22. GSG is famous for making 22 autos that look like their bigger cousins. These new 22s have slide made of zinc alloy and they have a tendency to crack. One guy on sigforum showed pictures of his Mosquito with the front end of the slide completely breaking off.

Also gorenut made a good point. Some 22 conversion kits work well only with expensive 22 rounds like minimags or stingers. What's the point of getting a 22 if you can't shoot the bulk pack from Walmart?

GunLover
05-05-2011, 11:20 AM
I usually do not have that problem since I also reload. But i also spend a lot of time with snap caps.

Fishslayer
05-05-2011, 11:50 AM
Lol well said, I already have a GF. Cause of her I could not buy my first gun for a while cause I met her a month before I turned 21. she still bi*ches at me all the time when I am on calguns, clean my gun or shop around for accessories. I just need to calm down a little and enjoy my sig for a little longer

Hmmmm.... No $$$ for ammo... .22 are lame.... don't wanna reload... GF beeyotches when yer online or cleaning yer gun or shop for accessories.

Well... since yer in front of the computer anyway....:D
http://wonderfulwortelworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/nivea-creme.gif?w=400&h=374

gorenut
05-05-2011, 11:52 AM
Has anyone tried the SureStrike Laser Ammo? I was thinking about getting it to practice at home. Though it's pricey @ $160, thought it would be better than just DF. At least you can see what you're hitting. Any thoughts?

Magic Bullet Laser Ammo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sofzweMYPAc&feature=player_embedded)

http://www.amazon.com/Laser-Ammo-9MBSCK-SureStrike-Cartridge/dp/B004F1D48K

I have this model (http://www.amazon.com/LaserLyte-Pistol-Laser-Trainer-45-Caliber/dp/B002N2B0DO/ref=pd_sbs_sg_1). It goes into the muzzle. Wouldn't mind trying out the bullet one - seems more convenient. To me, its the better alternative than getting a 22 conversion kit because I can practice any time, anywhere, and aside from buying batteries.. "ammo" is free. Since 22 doesn't really recoil.. I believe these laser trainers correctly provides the same feedback as 22s. Now, if you just want to get a separate 22 all together, thats a different story. I'm speaking strictly in terms of getting a training took for your primary handgun. I'd rather get another 22 than getting a 22 conversion kit. Thats more for leisure though vs actual training (not to say its not training at all).

scarville
05-05-2011, 11:53 AM
From now on, anyone that I introduce into shooting seriously, I'm gonna tell them that they should really consider the cost of reloading equipment when purchasing a firearm. Because if they start to shoot a lot, they're gonna kick themselves for spending thousands, if not tens of thousands of dollars on factory ammo. Especially rifle calibers.
I think that relading is good thing but I don't spend less money on ammo, I just shoot more for the same number of dollars. I buy practice ammo by the case and save the brass for reloading. I estimate that the powder, primers and bullets for my 38 spl practice reloads cost about 1/2 the price of new ammunition so I can extend my range time by 50% to 100% for the same cost. I get an even better cost ratio on 357 magnum reloads.

Revolvers are fun.
The double action revolver is the easist handgun to learn and the hardest to master.

Fishslayer
05-05-2011, 11:57 AM
The double action revolver is the easist handgun to learn and the hardest to master.

^^^ This. If you can shoot a DA wheelgun accurately at a brisk pace you can shoot anything.;)

jermzzzzzzz
05-05-2011, 11:57 AM
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=540808 Laserlyte dry fire trainer.

PandaLuv
05-05-2011, 12:05 PM
^^^ do u own that thing?

PandaLuv
05-05-2011, 12:07 PM
I have this model (http://www.amazon.com/LaserLyte-Pistol-Laser-Trainer-45-Caliber/dp/B002N2B0DO/ref=pd_sbs_sg_1). It goes into the muzzle. Wouldn't mind trying out the bullet one - seems more convenient. To me, its the better alternative than getting a 22 conversion kit because I can practice any time, anywhere, and aside from buying batteries.. "ammo" is free. Since 22 doesn't really recoil.. I believe these laser trainers correctly provides the same feedback as 22s. Now, if you just want to get a separate 22 all together, thats a different story. I'm speaking strictly in terms of getting a training took for your primary handgun. I'd rather get another 22 than getting a 22 conversion kit. Thats more for leisure though vs actual training (not to say its not training at all).

So would u recommend it for me?

jermzzzzzzz
05-05-2011, 12:08 PM
Yes I do, its awesome.

mif_slim
05-05-2011, 12:12 PM
+1 Reloading allows me to shoot more for less.

I dont believe this statement.

"Reloading allow me to shoot more for the same amount I would spend on factory ammo" would be more correct! LOL

gorenut
05-05-2011, 12:22 PM
So would u recommend it for me?

If it'll get you to dry-fire practice more, yes. Admittedly, the Laser Ammo by SureStrike that was posted does interest me as well since it has a mode to have the laser being constantly on. I own the LaserLyte LT-Pro and it only has 1 mode, which is pretty much having the laser go off for 1 second after each shot. I know LaserLyte also made a newer model which is shaped like a bullet and will go into the chamber instead of the muzzle (http://www.laserlyte.com/Laser_Training_System/LT-9_LT-40_LT-45/LT-9_LT-40_LT-45.html). Not sure how that one is, but read a review where someone with a 1911 couldn't get the .45 model to work properly.

bsg
05-05-2011, 12:28 PM
well... i just payed $4.80 on an online auction for an "early" Sig plastic box (early 1990s). i've been searching for one for several years. it initially was issued as an occasioanl "bonus" to a new Sig purchase. after that, one could be ordered from the "Sig Quarterly" order form that was inside a Sig Quarterly. in the mid 1990s a larger plastic box with some padding inside was offered, which replaced the early box. the early box is much more difficult to find.

these boxes are separate and different from the plastic boxes that came as original with earlier Sigs; example is P6 blue plastic box.

so... when i am basically broke, i keep on keepin on.

IPSICK
05-05-2011, 12:30 PM
Don't waste your money on a laser trainer. You know you hit something during dryfire by reading the front sight. This is better than focusing on the Target or waiting for feedback from the laser trainer.

bsg
05-05-2011, 12:34 PM
get creative.

gunn
05-05-2011, 12:37 PM
The only one I have experience with are Ruger Mk II (love it, want to get one of my own), Beretta 948, and Phoenix 22. The Beretta 948 and Phoenix 22 are in the same class. They are harder to shoot than the much heavier Mk II.

Ruger Mk III is almost like the Mk II. I posted in the rimfire section asking about the differences. I'd rather have a Mk II but a Mk III would suffice. Being from the Ruger line, Mk III should be just as reliable as the Mk II. I have never seen any other 22 (semi auto) firearm as reliable as the Ruger brand.

Another suggestion is a Heritage Rough Rider single action 22 revolver. I was looking at one because it was cheap ($200). It might be perfect for you because you can only load 6 rounds at a time. It would take you a while before you finish a box of 525 round of bulk ammo. You will never have to buy magazines for a revolver. There won't be any feeding issues. There are no accessories for you to waste your money on. It's the perfect beginner's practice gun on a budget.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/577

Interesting...I didn't know there are factory blems for cheap at Buds. You can get one with a conversion cylinder to fire 22 mag rounds, just in case you need to take out a squirrel on steroids.

You can easily remove the magazine disconnect from a MKIII so your problems are solved. Magazines will drop free as with a MKII but you get the added bonus of having a mag release button (vs a tab on the bottom).


IMO, the other gun I was considering for my 22LR pistol was a browning buckmark but the MKIII ergonomics (nambu/luger grip angle) won me over.

-g

gorenut
05-05-2011, 12:40 PM
Don't waste your money on a laser trainer. You know you hit something during dryfire by reading the front sight. This is better than focusing on the Target or waiting for feedback from the laser trainer.

This is assuming someone already has the basic mechanics down. I think for most new shooters, they need some kind of feedback to recognize they're employing proper technique. The laser trainer paired with the target will show if someone is jerking their trigger. Also the laser shows up just long enough to show if you're wobbling your gun, etc.

Personally, I'll admit that I haven't used mine all that much since I've purchased it, but its because I have the luxury of being able to go to the range at least once a week and I don't think anything replaces that or pure dry-firing. This is just another tool.

sigfan91
05-05-2011, 12:59 PM
You can easily remove the magazine disconnect from a MKIII so your problems are solved. Magazines will drop free as with a MKII but you get the added bonus of having a mag release button (vs a tab on the bottom).


IMO, the other gun I was considering for my 22LR pistol was a browning buckmark but the MKIII ergonomics (nambu/luger grip angle) won me over.

-g

Mag disconnect is annoying, so is that useless chamber indicator.

I'm actually getting used to the euro style release of the Mk II. It's really convenient when I shoot left-handed.

rcserg
05-05-2011, 1:03 PM
First step anytime you have a gun is to stock pile ammo (minimum for me is 1000 rounds each caliber) then you buy ammo as needed for practice and never let your ammo drop below that buffer you have set for yourself.

Quickdraw Mcgraw
05-05-2011, 1:10 PM
I don't think anyone has recomended it yet..."CROSSBOW" the thump as it hits the target is SO SATISFYING!!

ledman
05-05-2011, 1:14 PM
I shoot mainly .22lr and 9mm due to its lower cost. If no $ for ammo I play call of duty black ops to get some sense of gratification of shooting lol

IPSICK
05-05-2011, 1:15 PM
Mag disconnect is annoying, so is that useless chamber indicator.

I'm actually getting used to the euro style release of the Mk II. It's really convenient when I shoot left-handed.

You can easily remove both features.

j1133s
05-05-2011, 5:24 PM
Thats seriously funny **** right there!

I must have a rare wife, and be very lucky. She tolerates my guns in all corners of the house, my man cave being a whole room to myself, complete with beer fridge. She never bats an eye when more bullets or things show up, just smiles and is pleased I have things that I like doing.

Wow, that sounds really nice. Does she let you go shooting ?

My wife doesn't really care how many guns/ammo I buy, but she gives me zero time to go shoot :(

Lumpia is sarap!
05-05-2011, 5:27 PM
Problem solved: work part time at the range.

iareConfusE
05-05-2011, 5:47 PM
I redid the math last night for my cost of reloading 9mm with the price I paid for my components. I calculated that it costed me $6 per box of 50 rounds of 9mm, or $.12 per round. I reload .357mag at about the same price since I use cast bullets, and .45ACP is actually pretty close, depending on the bullets I choose to use. I could probably load .45ACP at around $.15/round using PD FMJ bullets.

davek8s
05-06-2011, 4:09 AM
Lol well said, I already have a GF. Cause of her I could not buy my first gun for a while cause I met her a month before I turned 21. she still bi*ches at me all the time when I am on calguns, clean my gun or shop around for accessories. I just need to calm down a little and enjoy my sig for a little longer

Just leave her now. Its cheaper than a divorce down the road. I could've bought a sweet 1911 for the cost of my cheap divorce.

glock7
05-06-2011, 6:17 AM
sell stuff you don't need, trust me you'll have ammo in no time. if you are on a budget, save up and go once a month or so. times are lean, tighten your belt and get ammo when you can. walmart is your friend. that and gun shows.....

glock7
05-06-2011, 6:28 AM
save cans and bottles. in one month alone i'm able to buy a couple of boxes of 9mm and .223. i have people at work who donate their can and bottles to me because they know i like to shoot. be creative. i'm saving my brass and saving $ for reloading equipment as we speak....you can do it! $ is not a problem....

CSACANNONEER
05-06-2011, 7:06 AM
First step anytime you have a gun is to stock pile ammo (minimum for me is 1000 rounds each caliber) then you buy ammo as needed for practice and never let your ammo drop below that buffer you have set for yourself.

While 1000 rounds per caliber is far from a "stockpile", I would not consider it a minimum for every gun one owns. I own a lot of less popular and/or expensive calibers and investing in that much ammo would be insanely costly. I would suggest that a minimum of 5000 rounds of common calibers be at hand or, at least, have components on hand to load that amount. But, suggesting that one should stockpile 1000 rounds of 7.5 Nagant, 25-20, 32-20, 50BMG, etc is not really practical.

Cokebottle
05-06-2011, 11:30 AM
Just leave her now. Its cheaper than a divorce down the road. I could've bought a sweet 1911 for the cost of my cheap divorce.
+1

The end result of marriage?


Just go to a bar, find a woman you can't stand to be around, and buy her a house.

Eliminate all of the pain and headaches that came in between.

sigfan91
05-06-2011, 2:41 PM
While 1000 rounds per caliber is far from a "stockpile", I would not consider it a minimum for every gun one owns. I own a lot of less popular and/or expensive calibers and investing in that much ammo would be insanely costly. I would suggest that a minimum of 5000 rounds of common calibers be at hand or, at least, have components on hand to load that amount. But, suggesting that one should stockpile 1000 rounds of 7.5 Nagant, 25-20, 32-20, 50BMG, etc is not really practical.

Wha' j00 talkin' about, Willis?

Stockpiling 1000 rounds of 50 BMG is very practical. What if 10 zombies stand in a column, and there are 50 columns? :D

CSACANNONEER
05-06-2011, 4:57 PM
Wha' j00 talkin' about, Willis?

Stockpiling 1000 rounds of 50 BMG is very practical. What if 10 zombies stand in a column, and there are 50 columns? :D

I always have enough components to load 1000 rounds but, I'm never sure what type of projos I'll need next. So, I just load 'em as I need 'em. I'd hate to fill all my brass up with powder and my cache of 2K APs and then have to pull them down to load AMAXes or turned solids. Likewise, I'd hate to have 1000K of match grade ammo loaded for the wrong gun. I tend to only keep 100-200 plinking rounds and 0-250 rounds of match ammo on hand at a time.

Sniper3142
05-06-2011, 4:58 PM
I am currently broke, thus can't spend $260 for 1000 rounds.
I also really want to buy accessories for my pistol (sights, grips, bag etc).

How do you deal with it?

Emergency money withdrawls from banks always seem to work for me...

http://hellinahandbasket.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/masked-bank-robber.jpeg

;) J/K

Whiterabbit
05-06-2011, 5:02 PM
Wha' j00 talkin' about, Willis?

Stockpiling 1000 rounds of 50 BMG is very practical. What if 10 zombies stand in a column, and there are 50 columns? :D

Then you'd only need 50 rounds?

davek8s
05-06-2011, 5:04 PM
+1

The end result of marriage?


Just go to a bar, find a woman you can't stand to be around, and buy her a house.

Eliminate all of the pain and headaches that came in between.

My ex wife hated guns when we were dating. She thought i'd get over it. I figured she would just accept the fact that they're more important than her. In the end guns didn't ruin the marrage, but made for a lot of big fights.

sigfan91
05-06-2011, 5:42 PM
Then you'd only need 50 rounds?

Margin of error. Just in case if I miss or there's a zombie with body armor in that column. ;)

Cokebottle
05-06-2011, 5:55 PM
Wha' j00 talkin' about, Willis?

Stockpiling 1000 rounds of 50 BMG is very practical. What if 10 zombies stand in a column, and there are 50 columns? :D
If you're good, you can take them all out with 50 shots from the .50!

Cokebottle
05-06-2011, 5:57 PM
http://hellinahandbasket.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/masked-bank-robber.jpeg

;) J/K
Amazing.

The booger hook isn't on the bang switch!

bsg
05-06-2011, 6:29 PM
I already have a GF. Cause of her I could not buy my first gun for a while cause I met her a month before I turned 21. she still bi*ches at me all the time when I am on calguns, clean my gun or shop around for accessories. I just need to calm down a little and enjoy my sig for a little longer


good luck with this tough road to hoe.

gunslinger387
05-06-2011, 8:41 PM
Like a lot of others suggested, get a 22. They are a blast, a great tool to keep good habits, great to teach newbies and cheap. Everyone should have at least one.

den888
05-06-2011, 9:30 PM
I don't shoot, but save for the day when I can.

tuna quesadilla
05-06-2011, 11:53 PM
Lol well said, I already have a GF. Cause of her I could not buy my first gun for a while cause I met her a month before I turned 21. she still bi*ches at me all the time when I am on calguns, clean my gun or shop around for accessories. I just need to calm down a little and enjoy my sig for a little longer

Disregard women; acquire currency.

Spend currency on ammunition instead of a nagging girlfriend who obviously does not support who you are.

762.DEFENSE
05-07-2011, 12:18 AM
I work out until my next payday.

PandaLuv
05-12-2011, 5:00 PM
My girlfriend has been cool lately with me shooting and dryfiring lately, actually has been supportive. Weird, right?

Anyways, I shot a 22lr gun a week ago. I didn't like it, mainly because I didn't like the gun, Ruger MK 2. The caliber is not that fun to shoot but it's a damn bullet, which wasn't so bad.
At some point I need to buy a 22lr handgun and I am starting to lean more towards a revolver in 22. Can anyone reccomend a good SA/Da S&W revolver in 22? I actually saw one few months back, it was pretty cool.

Fishslayer
05-12-2011, 5:48 PM
a 22lr handgun and I am starting to lean more towards a revolver in 22. Can anyone reccomend a good SA/Da S&W revolver in 22? I actually saw one few months back, it was pretty cool.

ROFLMAO!

Dude. You need to get out of the basement & hit a gun shop or two.

You think you got no $$$ now? Go price some S&W .22 revolvers. IF you can find one. I know where there's a really nice one... for $2K+ :eek:

The new 10 shooter with lock is about a grand.:eek:

Ya don't like the MKII? Yer kinda fussy for someone who can't buy ammo, dontcha think? The MKII is pretty highly thought of by most...

AlliedArmory
05-12-2011, 5:48 PM
Buy 100-200 rds and hit the range. Definitely not that expensive. If that is too much, you may need a less expensive hobby.

cali_armz
05-12-2011, 6:02 PM
i love shooting big bore firearms, but shooting high power pellet guns is fun too. especially because you can do it in your backyard. you cant exactly do that with a 30-06

shooterdude
05-12-2011, 6:04 PM
I just ordered one of these from Midway : http://www.laserlyte.com/Laser_Training_System/LT-9_LT-40_LT-45/LT-9_LT-40_LT-45.html (http://www.laserlyte.com/Laser_Training_System/LT-9_LT-40_LT-45/LT-9_LT-40_LT-45.html) to play with around the house.

My problem is I have plenty of ammo sitting in my garage and not enough time to hit the range every week like I want to.

I'll report on this toy after I receive it and have a chance to play a bit. At least I only have hammer pistols and don't have to rack the slide for every shot...So there Glock biggots ;-)

PandaLuv
05-12-2011, 6:05 PM
ROFLMAO!

Dude. You need to get out of the basement & hit a gun shop or two.

You think you got no $$$ now? Go price some S&W .22 revolvers. IF you can find one. I know where there's a really nice one... for $2K+ :eek:

The new 10 shooter with lock is about a grand.:eek:

Ya don't like the MKII? Yer kinda fussy for someone who can't buy ammo, dontcha think? The MKII is pretty highly thought of by most...

Either way I am gonna end up buying ammo, I just bought 250 rounds. It just depends how much I can shoot.

I will look around a little more if I won't find it, I will just bite the bullet and buy the MK2

Fishslayer
05-12-2011, 6:06 PM
I. At least I only have hammer pistols and don't have to rack the slide for every shot...So there Glock biggots ;-)

They make pistols without hammers? Why in the world would anybody want one of those?:confused:

Might as well make one out of plastic....

Can't buy anything here
05-12-2011, 6:22 PM
Apply to become a reserve police officer or Sheriff...after about a year of background checks, a medical, physical, and psych tests, hit the academy...two nights a month and every Saturday...add in about 7 Sundays for Range training...get patrolled trained and after about a year, apply to work at Weapons training...then you can shoot all you want for free. :)

well206
05-12-2011, 7:21 PM
you don't have to get a mkII. try shooting some 22lr rifles, like a ruger 10/22 or some marlin 22lr rifle. maybe that may satisfy your trigger itch (or is it a big bang in my hand itch?). you can shoot 22lr rifles in indoor pistol ranges.

try to find enjoyment in the fundamentals and marksmanship, and not just in the *boom* of the firearm. your ammo will last you longer (because you'll be firing less per session while working on fundamentals and marksmanship), which will probably mean some savings in the future.

PandaLuv
05-12-2011, 7:36 PM
Thank you.
The whole reason for me to get 22lr is to get better at shooting.
I am actually pretty good at shooting for a beginner, I just think 22LR will help out

Ubermcoupe
05-12-2011, 7:44 PM
Shoot the .22 revolver. I use less when I have to reload every 6 rounds. :D

When I can't make it to the range to shoot I practice draw techniques.

glockwise2000
05-12-2011, 7:44 PM
:willy_nilly:

Cokebottle
05-12-2011, 8:30 PM
ROFLMAO!

Dude. You need to get out of the basement & hit a gun shop or two.

You think you got no $$$ now? Go price some S&W .22 revolvers. IF you can find one. I know where there's a really nice one... for $2K+ :eek:

The new 10 shooter with lock is about a grand.:eek:

Ya don't like the MKII? Yer kinda fussy for someone who can't buy ammo, dontcha think? The MKII is pretty highly thought of by most...
No kidding.

Wife decided that she wanted a 22 handgun to go with the AR22 and her 92FS. I priced a bunch, and it was semi-auto, or "cowboy" style.

DROS'd a Heritage 9-shot today :D

Cokebottle
05-12-2011, 8:34 PM
They make pistols without hammers? Why in the world would anybody want one of those?:confused:

Might as well make one out of plastic....
Not sure if serious ;)

If you are serious... Glock, XD, even many revolvers are hammerless DAO (but at least they are DA so they can be used with a system like the Laserlyte).

The traditional SA and SA/DA hammered pistol is becoming a relic. They'll be around for a long time, but new guns are introduced every year that are striker-fired.

PandaLuv
05-12-2011, 8:35 PM
No kidding.

Wife decided that she wanted a 22 handgun to go with the AR22 and her 92FS. I priced a bunch, and it was semi-auto, or "cowboy" style.

DROS'd a Heritage 9-shot today :D

Which one is that?

Cokebottle
05-12-2011, 8:57 PM
Which one is that?
$269 on Turner's "May madness" 3 day sale.
It's a single action only "cowboy" style gun. You don't rotate the cylinder out, you open a trap door, pull the hammer back to it's 2nd click, and drop in one round at a time until you get back to the beginning, close the trap door, and shoot.

Unloading the spent rounds is the same way.

http://www.heritagemfg.com/images/site_images/RR22MB6AS_lg.jpg

SpectreZ91
05-12-2011, 9:15 PM
I was thinking of waiting until everyone went to sleep then I could yank out the M9 and go all Mall Ninja. Pretend like I'm swat cleaning my house during the zombie attack. That might curb my urge to go to the range until my next paycheck.

:gene:

:smilielol5: Of course I'm joking and wouldn't do that.

I've got ammo, but not the admission fee for the range.. Well I do but I'm trying to save all my free cash for the gun show this weekend in case I see something I really want. :D

As for girls and guns.. To those who aren't married and into guns and have girls that give you a hard time.. Make them go shooting with you once. If they don't like it and continue to give you a hard time then leave them now.. It will only get worse with time...

My g/f doesn't like guns and wants nothing to do with them.. But she supports me in my hobbies and doesn't give me about them. She has agreed to go with me and her dad once. If she likes it and is happy with a 22 then I'm getting a semi auto .22 LR. So she can shoot with me or I can just go out and plink away when I am low on funds for the 9mm. :D

gorenut
05-12-2011, 9:17 PM
I'll report on this toy after I receive it and have a chance to play a bit. At least I only have hammer pistols and don't have to rack the slide for every shot...So there Glock biggots ;-)

Walther P99 is striker and its also DA/SA.. so no need to rack the slide every time before pulling the trigger.

socal-shooter
05-12-2011, 9:23 PM
what do i do when i need ammo money?

i tell the wife her car needs repair. i baffle her with boolshiite by naming all kinds of elaborate parts that sound expensive.

i do little or nothing to her car and spend the money on ammo ;)

Cokebottle
05-12-2011, 9:46 PM
I've got ammo, but not the admission fee for the range.
Buy a membership (or ask for one for Christmas).
$190 for a year at OC Indoor, range admission is free, gun rentals are free (have to buy their reloads for rentals though), targets are a buck a sheet.

Costs me $5 in targets and the membership averages to $16/month to go to the range. As long as I go more than once a month, I'm making money.

timmyb21
05-12-2011, 9:51 PM
Dry fire, reload, detail strip and clean. You can keep busy with guns if you try...dry firing will improve your trigger control too.

SpectreZ91
05-12-2011, 9:57 PM
Buy a membership (or ask for one for Christmas).
$190 for a year at OC Indoor, range admission is free, gun rentals are free (have to buy their reloads for rentals though), targets are a buck a sheet.

Costs me $5 in targets and the membership averages to $16/month to go to the range. As long as I go more than once a month, I'm making money.

I've been thinking about that. There's a place here in Riverside that's a little more pricey then the $190 the place in OC has. However if I factor in gas and travel time the extra cost is worth it. Then the next year is a little cheaper. If I go 15 times a year I'll break even.. If I go more then 15 times a year then it's worth it.

I'm leaning twards it.. Just comming up with that payment right now is the killer. I'm kind stretched thin for the next 2 months.. (Stupid Baseball season ticket payments) :rolleyes:

CharlesV
05-13-2011, 6:31 AM
If things are really bad financially, get a BB-gun. Dirt cheap what, $39 at Walmart? Ammo is even dirtier cheap than that and you can keep up your necessary practice in all respects.

If things are worse than that, i guess we are down to a slingshot, $16 at Sportmart. Dont worry that you cant afford marbles or ball bearings, ammo can be even free, use rocks. At the very least youd be keeping up your hand/eye/brain coordination and both a BB-gun and slingshot are fun, too.

Now....if things are just so woefully bad and $16 cant even cut it, then its going to be the rocks themselves (until they confiscate even THOSE) and at least rocks are definitely free and you keep up your aim.

See? Life aint so bad after all.

Sanderhawk
05-13-2011, 6:36 AM
what do i do when i need ammo money?

i tell the wife her car needs repair. i baffle her with boolshiite by naming all kinds of elaborate parts that sound expensive.

i do little or nothing to her car and spend the money on ammo ;)

HA HA HA thats one I never thought of.

Beelzy
05-13-2011, 6:42 AM
I retire to the garage and whip some up.

Fishslayer
05-13-2011, 7:16 AM
Thank you.
The whole reason for me to get 22lr is to get better at shooting.
I am actually pretty good at shooting for a beginner, I just think 22LR will help out

It will. Be patient and lurk at the consignment cases. Occasionally a deal does come up. Be ready with cash in hand. Cash can often get ya a bit of a discount.

Do research so you can jump on a good deal. I've missed several because I didn't know what I was looking at. Came back after doing research and.... gone. :(

I still say get into reloading. It makes cheap ammo & is a good hobby by itself.

JDW67
05-13-2011, 9:32 AM
Snap caps or a lot of COD: Black Ops...

coy80176
05-13-2011, 10:47 AM
in our house in the hallway....we build wood rubberband guns/rifles and shoot at lego targets:)

This keeps me relatively calm between monthly trap shoots with my 12 gauge SG....and then try to get out every other month or so with the pistols and long guns to shoot at paper 25/50/100 yards...which also may depend on the "honey do" list:o

cheers

drunktank
05-13-2011, 10:52 AM
Dry fire/snap caps

Save for more cash

Spetsnazos
05-13-2011, 11:05 AM
I've got a 22LR(my Ruger) but I have yet to shoot it due to busy schedule.

I'll let you guys know how fun it is :p

Shooting .380 gets sorta expensive too, its about the same price as .40 :( I've been saving all my brass for the day that I go to reload but that day hasn't come yet :p

Spetsnazos
05-13-2011, 11:10 AM
Snap caps or a lot of COD: Black Ops...

this as well haha. Alot of times I don't have the time to leave my house to the range or w/e so I just play black ops for 2 hours and get my fix

PandaLuv
05-13-2011, 11:52 AM
Black ops :ack2:

NorCalDustin
05-13-2011, 11:56 AM
I shoot lots of .22LR for next to nothing.

tacticalcity
05-13-2011, 12:02 PM
Nothing helps you master things like trigger control, and a quick/smooth draw like dry fire practice.

Paradiddle
05-13-2011, 12:20 PM
Anyways, I need to think about what I should do... :(

As you get older you will realize that you need to ensure you can financially support the hobbies you want to get serious about. You sound young so take it easy, relax, and go to work. Save up some money and take stock in your life and your priorities. You cannot have all the cool stuff without paying a price either in credit card debt or having a good job. My advice is to save money and stay out of debt.

Lead Waster
05-13-2011, 3:19 PM
Watch TV, go our with friends, play with your kids, etc, etc, etc ....

I'm assuming that shooting is just one part of your life. I could be wrong.

shooterdude
05-13-2011, 4:08 PM
I just ordered one of these from Midway : http://www.laserlyte.com/Laser_Training_System/LT-9_LT-40_LT-45/LT-9_LT-40_LT-45.html (http://www.laserlyte.com/Laser_Training_System/LT-9_LT-40_LT-45/LT-9_LT-40_LT-45.html) to play with around the house.

My problem is I have plenty of ammo sitting in my garage and not enough time to hit the range every week like I want to.

I'll report on this toy after I receive it and have a chance to play a bit. At least I only have hammer pistols and don't have to rack the slide for every shot...So there Glock biggots ;-)

Walther P99 is striker and its also DA/SA.. so no need to rack the slide every time before pulling the trigger.

That is on my list of striker fired pistols that I would ever consider buying...my list is only 1 gun :-)

Spetsnazos
05-13-2011, 4:11 PM
Black ops :ack2:

haters gonna hate.

5539
05-14-2011, 8:45 AM
Depending whether you live in a house or an apartment?

Get a Red Ryder BB Gun and don't shoot your eye out.

Targets; Tin Cans, Bottle Caps and when you need a challenge, use Aspirins.

Also it's a good way to learn how to point shoot.

Don't scoff or laugh at me, it's harder than you think.

Rudolf the Red
05-14-2011, 9:36 AM
You need a cocking air pistol, a pellet trap, 10 meters, and this: http://www.nrahq.org/education/training/marksmanship/index.asp

Shoot the International Pistol Course. When you get ammo, do the Pistol Course. If you have a .22, do the Bullseye Course. These courses give you something to do at the range. Goals are good to have in sport. You will never be bored.

I did the Bullseye Course with a Kimber .22 and it took 2000 rounds and two months to attain Expert. Try the courses. Actually do them and you will be better because of it.

CGK60
05-21-2011, 7:40 PM
Dry fire.

chaseface
05-21-2011, 8:20 PM
I spend too much time on Calguns

DasBoost
05-21-2011, 8:50 PM
When I don't have ammo or time to shoot, I live vicariously through CalGunners and their range reports/builds/etc. That usually leads to me scribbling notes on a pad about what I would build/do or new firearms to compare or consider. In my case now, I have to find a new pad as I'm out of space/pages- BAM! something to do when there is no time or ammo. :)

gobi fish
05-22-2011, 7:03 AM
get down on yoru knees and make some $$$ :)

.22 is the best idea!

drifter001
05-22-2011, 8:40 AM
ruger 10/22. fun to shoot and cheap to buy. not to mention how cheap .22 ammo is!

NotEnufGarage
05-22-2011, 8:48 AM
Not an issue here.. In times of plenty I stocked up on powder, primers, and boolits. Most I got at less than market prices.

When I get bored, when I'm watching TV, when I'm waiting for someone to show up, late at night, early in the morning, basically anytime, I make ammo.

prc77
06-05-2011, 9:06 AM
get down on yoru knees and make some $$$ :)



Now we know how you make your extra $$

5thgen4runner
06-05-2011, 9:11 AM
I stroke my rifle(s) lol

DCF
06-05-2011, 4:38 PM
I went from shooting 45acp and 9mm to shooting 9mm exclusively for pistol. Then I went from shooting 223 to 22LR for rifle. Nothing big changes my life except the part where I got married.

missiontrails
06-05-2011, 4:40 PM
My woman.

glock7
06-06-2011, 6:14 AM
As you get older you will realize that you need to ensure you can financially support the hobbies you want to get serious about. You sound young so take it easy, relax, and go to work. Save up some money and take stock in your life and your priorities. You cannot have all the cool stuff without paying a price either in credit card debt or having a good job. My advice is to save money and stay out of debt.

^good advice. it's just now that i can enjoy my hobbies.(shooting, mainly!) if you are serious about it, get a better job or a second job, shoot .22's, reload, or do what i do, save your bottles and cans. i get my co-workers to save theirs from home and bring it to me and we save them at work. i'm able to get about 25 bucks every couple of weeks. which goes towards my ammo, and doing that enabled me to buy the parts to build an ar. so it can be done. now i have to save for a .22 adapter for the ar. good luck. i've got 12 more years till retirement and i'm out of this state and all of it's shortcomings and regulations...
enjoy.

Marlin Hunter
06-06-2011, 2:43 PM
I am currently broke, thus can't spend $260 for 1000 rounds.
I also really want to buy accessories for my pistol (sights, grips, bag etc).

How do you deal with it?

Get a 22 revolver or bolt action rifle. 1000 rounds will cost you under $40

redcliff
06-06-2011, 4:26 PM
You need a cocking air pistol, a pellet trap, 10 meters, and this: http://www.nrahq.org/education/training/marksmanship/index.asp

Shoot the International Pistol Course. When you get ammo, do the Pistol Course. If you have a .22, do the Bullseye Course. These courses give you something to do at the range. Goals are good to have in sport. You will never be bored.

I did the Bullseye Course with a Kimber .22 and it took 2000 rounds and two months to attain Expert. Try the courses. Actually do them and you will be better because of it.

I really like this suggestion; I have a friend I shoot with regularly and will try to get him to do these courses with me. Thanks for the post!

Mikeb
06-06-2011, 4:36 PM
"When you don't have money for ammo to shoot, what do you do?"

Practice throwing rocks?
Mike

PandaLuv
06-06-2011, 5:12 PM
I found out recently that FFLs are gonna start getting GSG1911s in mid July this year, has anyone heard anything else about it?

My shop already ordered one for me. Can't wait :(

PandaLuv
06-06-2011, 5:12 PM
"When you don't have money for ammo to shoot, what do you do?"

Practice throwing rocks?
Mike

living in east oakland, I don't think rocks would help you

Mikeb
06-08-2011, 3:51 PM
Yeah that's why I try to keep ammo on hand...
peace
Mike

PandaLuv
06-28-2011, 10:20 AM
I did it, I bought the 22lr p226 conversion kit (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/55997)
Couldn't wait till GSG 1911 would hit my local gun shop, so I said eff it and bought this baby yesterday.
And next week, I'm making a trip to Milpitas to buy a Glock19 :43:

MrExel17
06-28-2011, 10:39 AM
Some Day..Some Day:) That's where I what to be, cool step up your workshop looks awesome much props:clap:

Ask yourself if you're a LIFELONG collector, shooter of Guns in general. Not just handguns, but Rifles and maybe even a shotgun or two.

If you decide that you're in this FUN HOBBY for life then change up your immediate priorities.

Put any future Gun Purchases ON HOLD until you get these two items in your home.

1. A large secure GUN SAFE. A good safe will last your lifetime. Something you never sell and always need if you're into shooting sports.

2. For sure get into RELOADING your own AMMO. I can reload for pennies any caliber I desire. I can pump out 1000 rounds of .45 Auto in one hour (on my Dillon 1050) I can reload any Rifle cartridge I want; any pistol caliber I desire. I am now reloading 10MM on my Dillon 550B and again, saving big money.
(about 600 rounds per hour if I get busy)

A good DILLON press will also last a lifetime and once you get past the initial cost (about 2 GLOCK handguns worth) you will never be AMMO POOR AGAIN.

Here's my humble set up in my workshop:

http://i51.tinypic.com/2zhr33r.jpg

MrExel17
06-28-2011, 10:45 AM
I agree, there is nothing wrong with a .22 as long as I'm shooting. Its fun, cheap, and keeps your skills sharp. Good Luck!

Super Spy
06-28-2011, 11:08 AM
You can get into reloading for a lot less than a fancy Dillon setup and it will produce reliable accurate ammo that goes bang everytime. I was lucky and got a hand me down RCBS Rock Crusher kit so all I needed was dies, supplies, a trimmer, etc. I can load for my Swiss rifles for 1/3 of the cost of buying new PRVI ammo let alone buying expensive stuff. Save a few bucks for the cost of 1000 rounds you can buy a Lee setup with dies and supplies. Hopefully you have some brass, if not that's the thing to start saving. If you see someone shooting the same caliber you are next to you at the range ask if you can have their brass. I accumulated tons of brass before I started reloading. Someday I'll get a fancy progressive press, right now I have much cheaper ammo and I'm learning the skill slow and steady.

Fishslayer
06-28-2011, 11:46 AM
I did it, I bought the 22lr p226 conversion kit (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/55997)
Couldn't wait till GSG 1911 would hit my local gun shop, so I said eff it and bought this baby yesterday.
And next week, I'm making a trip to Milpitas to buy a Glock19 :43:

You can get into reloading for a lot less than a fancy Dillon setup and it will produce reliable accurate ammo that goes bang everytime.


You can also get into reloading for a lot less than the cost of a G19.:confused: