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2fast4u
05-04-2011, 1:43 PM
Where do you guys Rank the POF uppers and Lowers vs the other AR Markers on the Market?

Thanks.

dieselpower
05-04-2011, 2:27 PM
123... maybe more...maybe less.... depends on who is talking.

Mailman said it better in another similar topic... Hope he replies cuz it really made me laugh.

21SF
05-04-2011, 2:29 PM
I have heard so much crap about the owner and his brother that i wouldnt want a single thing from that company.

JeffW
05-04-2011, 2:30 PM
2fast4u: I have a POF upper that I've run hard, what specifically are you asking?

It works...

It has all of the downsides of any piston (weight, sharper recoil impulse)
On the plus side it does manage heat well (full mag dumps and the like), and it is easy to clean.

It's kind of apples and oranges, if they made a DI system it would be easier to compare.

rareair
05-04-2011, 2:36 PM
I LOVE my P415. I've had zero issues with it, but then again I've had no problems with any of my firearms (knock on wood) The POF definitely gets attention every time I bring it out to the range. However, at the current retail price for a POF, it doesn't fit in everyone's budget
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s146/RareAirResto/Armory/DSC_2120Large.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s146/RareAirResto/Armory/DSC_2119Large.jpg

dieselpower
05-04-2011, 2:38 PM
I have heard so much crap about the owner and his brother that i wouldnt want a single thing from that company.

whats the scoop? I havent heard this?

crazychinaman
05-04-2011, 3:04 PM
whats the scoop? I havent heard this?The owner is Frank and the older brother is John who helps run the company.Frank is kind of a jerk .I have a POF .308 rifle.Love the rifle,Only problem I had is with the mags and the bolt stop. It does not like DPMS ,CP products mags at all.It was a single shot rifle until Magpul came out with their mags.It runs great now .Not a single jam.The recoil is gentle compared to other .308 rifles.I put the wrong bolt stop in ,so it would not keep the bolt back after last round. Tried to talk to frank on the phone and through e-mails but no joy,could not get an answer from him or anybody for weeks.Finally I got a hold of him on the phone,He was kind of smart *** about it. Talked to John at the SAR show in Phoenix,It was a totally differant.I got my friend a really good deal on a 6.8 upper ,way below cost and no tax. He loves his 6.8 .No problems at all.

mlevans66
05-04-2011, 7:08 PM
I LOVE my P415. I've had zero issues with it, but then again I've had no problems with any of my firearms (knock on wood) The POF definitely gets attention every time I bring it out to the range. However, at the current retail price for a POF, it doesn't fit in everyone's budget
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s146/RareAirResto/Armory/DSC_2120Large.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s146/RareAirResto/Armory/DSC_2119Large.jpg

:iagree:Yes because we all can't be Mercs for the President. LOL

They rank in the top five i guess.

Rebellious
05-04-2011, 7:23 PM
POF?? All these years I've been calling them POS;)

The War Wagon
05-04-2011, 7:49 PM
HATED to get rid of mine, but I was building a couple of other rifles, and it finally became the odd rifle out back in January.

It was bulky & heavy, but it ran like a top. It was an early Gen.III model, and had carrier tilt starting to show after only a few hundred rounds. I'D just installed a PWS enhanced buffer tube on it (in addition to a BCM extractor upgrade, Dave Tubbs SSS flatwire buffer spring, & H2 buffer) before selling it. The last upgrade I WANTED to make, but didn't, was Seth Harness' anti-tilt buffer.

I will say, in watching POF since 2007, they seem to me, the most committed as a piston rifle mfg., to continually refining and upgrading their rifles, to MAKE them as functionally flawless as possible. I ran mine in two introductory tactical course weekends - one in single digit weather - the other in the spring - and it ran great both times.

Oh - and NEVER believe the "run-it-dry" propganda. I never run ANYTHING dry. Mine ran great wet.

Here's some pics, from her heyday.

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/The_War_Wagon/POF12.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/The_War_Wagon/POF13.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/The_War_Wagon/POF14.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/The_War_Wagon/POF15.jpg

I owned it for 2 1/2 years, FYI.

Ding126
05-04-2011, 8:08 PM
Good rifle..if based on looks I say fugly

themailman
05-04-2011, 8:24 PM
123... maybe more...maybe less.... depends on who is talking.

Mailman said it better in another similar topic... Hope he replies cuz it really made me laugh.

Lol, I cant for the life of me remember what I said. But, would I buy one? No, for that amount of cash I could build myself a much better rifle. If the POF is what you really want and you truly understand the pros-cons of that setup, then go ahead. IMO, its alot more flash than substance.

Don29palms
05-04-2011, 8:27 PM
POF on the list is after O and before Q.

mlevans66
05-04-2011, 8:36 PM
HATED to get rid of mine, but I was building a couple of other rifles, and it finally became the odd rifle out back in January.

It was bulky & heavy, but it ran like a top. It was an early Gen.III model, and had carrier tilt starting to show after only a few hundred rounds. I'D just installed a PWS enhanced buffer tube on it (in addition to a BCM extractor upgrade, Dave Tubbs SSS flatwire buffer spring, & H2 buffer) before selling it. The last upgrade I WANTED to make, but didn't, was Seth Harness' anti-tilt buffer.

I will say, in watching POF since 2007, they seem to me, the most committed as a piston rifle mfg., to continually refining and upgrading their rifles, to MAKE them as functionally flawless as possible. I ran mine in two introductory tactical course weekends - one in single digit weather - the other in the spring - and it ran great both times.

Oh - and NEVER believe the "run-it-dry" propganda. I never run ANYTHING dry. Mine ran great wet.

Here's some pics, from her heyday.

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/The_War_Wagon/POF12.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/The_War_Wagon/POF13.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/The_War_Wagon/POF14.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/The_War_Wagon/POF15.jpg

I owned it for 2 1/2 years, FYI.

I actually like the the rifle.

Uriah02
05-04-2011, 8:41 PM
They are hard to compare because there aren't a whole lot of dedicated piston AR mfgs that I can think of. I would think they run toe to toe with LWRC or Addax.

NorCalAthlete
05-20-2011, 5:06 PM
HATED to get rid of mine, but I was building a couple of other rifles, and it finally became the odd rifle out back in January.

It was bulky & heavy, but it ran like a top. It was an early Gen.III model, and had carrier tilt starting to show after only a few hundred rounds. I'D just installed a PWS enhanced buffer tube on it (in addition to a BCM extractor upgrade, Dave Tubbs SSS flatwire buffer spring, & H2 buffer) before selling it. The last upgrade I WANTED to make, but didn't, was Seth Harness' anti-tilt buffer.

I will say, in watching POF since 2007, they seem to me, the most committed as a piston rifle mfg., to continually refining and upgrading their rifles, to MAKE them as functionally flawless as possible. I ran mine in two introductory tactical course weekends - one in single digit weather - the other in the spring - and it ran great both times.

Oh - and NEVER believe the "run-it-dry" propganda. I never run ANYTHING dry. Mine ran great wet.

Here's some pics, from her heyday.
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I owned it for 2 1/2 years, FYI.

Any idea if the newer versions have any carrier tilt issues? I like them as a cheaper alternative to the LWRC REPR, they seem identical minus the side charging handle. Looking at the POF .308.

Josh3239
05-20-2011, 5:13 PM
POF got off to a great start, but as time goes on I just hear more and more that their QC is slipping. Honestly, if a gas piston upper is what you want it is difficult to beat LWRC or PWS. I think DIs are far better; DD, BCM, Colt, Spikes, Riflegear all good to go.

NorCalAthlete
05-20-2011, 5:29 PM
POF got off to a great start, but as time goes on I just hear more and more that their QC is slipping. Honestly, if a gas piston upper is what you want it is difficult to beat LWRC or PWS. I think DIs are far better; DD, BCM, Colt, Spikes, Riflegear all good to go.

Yeah but I want a .308 piston upper...LWRC and POF are the top two choices for me due to ambidextrous lowers and piston combos.

If I were just going for 5.56 it'd be different.

emtnsocali
05-20-2011, 5:50 PM
i love my POF .308. i did have some issues with the upper at first but pof took care of it and added some extra's for my time. im not sure where it exatly ranks with other piston rifles but i have to say its soft shooting and havent had an issue since it came back from the shop. i only use magpul 20rds. i did have an issue with the dmps 10rd mag. would i do it again.....yes.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e163/emtnsocali/DSC01782.jpg

bomb_on_bus
05-20-2011, 10:28 PM
I would say its an all around great system. I have been an owner of their 5.56mm and .308 setups for almost 5 years and I have to say that out of all the guns I have owned and shot the POF system delivers time and time again.

The barrels are some of the best on the market with competition and match shooting in mind from the get go.

The lowers and upper rails are built to last and handle all sorts of abuse as well as be end user friendly for both left and right handed shooters.

The recoil impulse has been tammed down since the earlier models.

And if you ever get the chance to run these guns suppressed you will see why these guns are liked in the free states.

Everything about this gun has been well thought out with accuracy, durability, reliability, competitions incorporated in every step of the design process.

rareair
05-20-2011, 10:47 PM
Yeah but I want a .308 piston upper...LWRC and POF are the top two choices for me due to ambidextrous lowers and piston combos.

You know SIG Sauer just released a few more rifles including the SIG716
http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/catalog/product/716-Patrol-hero-detail.jpg

santacruzstefan
05-20-2011, 11:56 PM
LMT, LWRC > POF, imho.

762.DEFENSE
05-21-2011, 12:03 AM
HATED to get rid of mine, but I was building a couple of other rifles, and it finally became the odd rifle out back in January.

It was bulky & heavy, but it ran like a top. It was an early Gen.III model, and had carrier tilt starting to show after only a few hundred rounds. I'D just installed a PWS enhanced buffer tube on it (in addition to a BCM extractor upgrade, Dave Tubbs SSS flatwire buffer spring, & H2 buffer) before selling it. The last upgrade I WANTED to make, but didn't, was Seth Harness' anti-tilt buffer.

I will say, in watching POF since 2007, they seem to me, the most committed as a piston rifle mfg., to continually refining and upgrading their rifles, to MAKE them as functionally flawless as possible. I ran mine in two introductory tactical course weekends - one in single digit weather - the other in the spring - and it ran great both times.

Oh - and NEVER believe the "run-it-dry" propganda. I never run ANYTHING dry. Mine ran great wet.

Here's some pics, from her heyday.

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/The_War_Wagon/POF12.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/The_War_Wagon/POF13.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/The_War_Wagon/POF14.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/The_War_Wagon/POF15.jpg

I owned it for 2 1/2 years, FYI.

Totally digging your rifle! :thumbsup:

NorCalAthlete
05-21-2011, 12:05 AM
LMT, LWRC > POF, imho.

REPR : $3500
POF : $2700

Can I afford it? Sure. Do I want to pay $700 for a side charging handle and BUIs? Not particularly.

More relevantly though, I can't really tell a difference between the LWRC and POF stuff on their websites...they both claim the same coatings, free float pistons, etc. Can anyone clarify for their .308s?

tacticalcity
05-21-2011, 12:37 AM
Within the AR world there are lots of different kinds of uppers and rifles. If you are into piston uppers you will like it.

7.62 Charlie
05-21-2011, 12:38 AM
REPR : $3500
POF : $2700

Can I afford it? Sure. Do I want to pay $700 for a side charging handle and BUIs? Not particularly.

More relevantly though, I can't really tell a difference between the LWRC and POF stuff on their websites...they both claim the same coatings, free float pistons, etc. Can anyone clarify for their .308s?

I wouldn't pay that much for a rifle period.

santacruzstefan
05-21-2011, 3:38 AM
REPR : $3500
POF : $2700

Can I afford it? Sure. Do I want to pay $700 for a side charging handle and BUIs? Not particularly.

More relevantly though, I can't really tell a difference between the LWRC and POF stuff on their websites...they both claim the same coatings, free float pistons, etc. Can anyone clarify for their .308s?

Don't get me wrong, LWRC is way overpriced, for all their stuff. I mean, people still pay it, so I guess good for the company, but yeah, its expensive. But it is quality stuff that the company will absolutely stand by. Not sure you can say the same about POF; as was mentioned above, their lack of customer service is legendary.

Hoop
05-21-2011, 7:33 AM
Yeah but I want a .308 piston upper...

Why?

Build a DI gun. Your dollars will go a lot farther and it will be just as reliable. Yeah all the cool kids have a piston but honestly it's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

edit: if you're dead set on a piston 308 I vote for a pof in 16" flavor. Cheaper and the barrels they use are better than the LWRC ones.