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rorschach
11-27-2006, 1:02 AM
Just got the January issue of SAR and saw some interesting new rifles. I wish I could find these online but no luck yet.

Top of page 16- Bobcat ATR1 .223 FN-FAL type rifle uses standard AR mags. Nothing on the Bobcat website yet...

Page 111- Coharie Arms CA53AR. Similar to the HK53, but uses AR mags. The one pictured is a SBR, but I'm sure these will be available with pinned fake cans to bring it out to 16".


Too bad both of these are made by Baileys' companies or I would consider puchasing one. Maybe Vector will buy some recievers and roll their own.

Q
11-27-2006, 8:09 AM
i'm gonna have to drop by barnes and nobles.;)

formerTexan
11-27-2006, 3:06 PM
Here's the Coharie Arms ad:
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n19/Todds1_2006/SAR1-2007copy.jpg

NeoWeird
11-27-2006, 3:27 PM
Just so you guys know Cohaire is the same people who do Bobcat, Special Weapons, and Vector receivers. You know them as the non-vulcan non-hk MP5 clones on the market.

From what I have heard they are decent but some have had issues, especially in regards to the extractors.

WhiteGT
11-27-2006, 3:35 PM
No rudesness implied: Maybe I am missing something, but how would this interest Californians? Those look too fun to be legal.

NSR500
11-27-2006, 3:45 PM
No rudesness implied: Maybe I am missing something, but how would this interest Californians? Those look too fun to be legal.

The more "Unlisted" Manufacturers and Models available expand our choices. Yes, they would be hard to get unless you have a dealer out of state who can Neuter things for you, but it opens up the possibilities.

Aluisious
11-27-2006, 3:54 PM
Yeah that's what I was thinking. So what if those are unlisted...they have pistol grips and detach mags.

Case closed.

NSR500
11-27-2006, 4:10 PM
Yeah that's what I was thinking. So what if those are unlisted...they have pistol grips and detach mags.

Case closed.

Maglock them and load via ejection port. If you've ever handled an HK or its Clones you'd know that the whole fire control has to come off in order to remove a locked Mag.
AR's have a tough time given the wording of the new Memo since the Mag "Unlocking" allows the fire control to stay in place.

rorschach
11-27-2006, 5:54 PM
So what if those are unlisted...they have pistol grips and detach mags. Who says we have to have detachable mags?? Behold the rorschach lock http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=37200
Case closed. Uh, nope. http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i309/tsol_roolz/HK001.jpg

Top HK911, bottom PTR91K. Both unlisted, over 30", 10 round mags, rorschach locks. PRK legal. http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i309/tsol_roolz/wicked.gif

wutzu
11-27-2006, 6:40 PM
Who says we have to have detachable mags?? Behold the rorschach lock http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=37200
Uh, nope. http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i309/tsol_roolz/HK001.jpg

Top HK911, bottom PTR91K. Both unlisted, over 30", 10 round mags, rorschach locks. PRK legal. http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i309/tsol_roolz/wicked.gif

How is the bottom one legal per SB23? Is that a fixed telestock?

grammaton76
11-27-2006, 6:48 PM
How is the bottom one legal per SB23? Is that a fixed telestock?

Fixed mag. Read the procedure below.

http://thegunwiki.com/Gunwiki/ProcFixG3Mag

blkA4alb
11-27-2006, 7:07 PM
How is the bottom one legal per SB23? Is that a fixed telestock?
Uh, with a fixed magazine you can have all the features you like.

Richard
11-27-2006, 11:43 PM
TACTICAL Weapons is Todd Bailey......was special weapons, and he is undoubtedly "NOT INTERESTED" in dealing with California.


http://www.specialweaponsinc.com/intropage.htm

rorschach
11-28-2006, 1:16 AM
TACTICAL Weapons is Todd Bailey......was special weapons, and he is undoubtedly "NOT INTERESTED" in dealing with California.

Neither are Vector, Bobcat, and JLD for that matter, but thats what CWS and Spreadfire are for.

Pryde
11-28-2006, 1:26 AM
Uh, with a fixed magazine you can have all the features you like.

Assuming it meets the 30" OAL requirement while folded/retracted.

NeoWeird
11-28-2006, 1:36 AM
For those interested, this is what Tactical Weapons had to say when I contacted them about a stripped HK94 clone receiver:

Our receivers are sheet metal and are the latest generation. Dealer price is $300.00 plus $10.00 - $15.00 to ship depending on where you are. To order, we require dealers ffl, order and method of payment we accept is cashiers check, money order or cc (additional 3%) for transaction fee. Funds should be made payable to TWTA and you can either fax your order to us at (928) 396-1538 or you can email the order or mail it to us at:

TWTA
P.O. Box 22139
Mesa, AZ 85277-2139
Attn: Wendy

Most companies won't ship stripped receivers, but if they will it only make their rifles that much easier to get in the state. Also Ohio Rapid Fire is having some full auto REAL HK parts kits coming in for MP5s starting at $2k. You could probably get all the parts from Vector for non-HK semi-auto rifles at 1/3 that price. The permium on the MP5 kits is because they are REAL HK and with the barrel ban the last full auto replacements so demand is high.

ETA: That was a generic email as I did not tell them where I was located. It didn't matter at the time.

Q
11-28-2006, 7:54 AM
special weapons was california friendly once. they had a cali version hk94-sw5. it was bolt action only with a modified locking lug or something. as i recall it was priced at $1600.

shonc99
12-11-2006, 11:34 AM
Just so you guys know Cohaire is the same people who do Bobcat, Special Weapons, and Vector receivers. You know them as the non-vulcan non-hk MP5 clones on the market.

From what I have heard they are decent but some have had issues, especially in regards to the extractors.


While Choaire/ Tactical Weapons/ Special Weapons (Bailey companies) made the recievers, both Bobcat and Vector finished them on their own. Both Vector and Bobcat are their own entities and have now tried to displace themselves from T.B. due to his instability and shady dealings.
(Do a search on hkpro.com or look at T.B. own website at hk54.com to form your own opinions.) Vulcan clones are a straight blowback, not roller locked and are regarded as the least desirable.

I talked with Andy the owner of Bobcat (now Red Rock Arms- name change related to Bobcat machinery trademark issue) at the SAR show and he is out of the HK clone business. I handled his 5.56 FAL rifle and it is quite nice. For anyone interested all you would need is a AR-15 10 rd fixed mag and load from the top. It has promise for those moving on from OLL's.

50 Freak
12-11-2006, 11:44 AM
TACTICAL Weapons is Todd Bailey......was special weapons, and he is undoubtedly "NOT INTERESTED" in dealing with California.

Screw Toad Bailey and anything he touches. His stuff is crap and he is loud mouth loser. Guess he hasn't made good on his word to "buy out HK" since his Special Weapons stuff is "equal if not better than HK".
Yeah right.

I personally have no guns from him as I refuse to do business with that guy. But have seen his stuff and heard it's always been a crap shoot with his stuff. 50% of the time it works, 50% of the time it doesn't. Just don't try going the warrantee route as he'll chew you a new one cause "my guns don't jam".

rorschach
12-11-2006, 11:45 AM
I talked with Andy the owner of Bobcat (now Red Rock Arms- name change related to Bobcat machinery trademark issue) at the SAR show and he is out of the HK clone business. I handled his 5.56 FAL rifle and it is quite nice. For anyone interested all you would need is a AR-15 10 rd fixed mag and load from the top. It has promise for those moving on from OLL's.

Did he say if he was willing to offer them to PRK??

shonc99
12-11-2006, 12:29 PM
Sorry, I didn't ask but there is always CWS and others if he isn't interested.

I didn't inspect the rifle too much but it was very solid and looked like a scaled down FAL. I would like to guess that since it is a new design (even if a scaled down copy of a FAL) that everything was designed together instead of parts made to work together- which is the achilles heel of the HK clone market.

shonc99
12-11-2006, 2:02 PM
Just got the January issue of SAR and saw some interesting new rifles. I wish I could find these online but no luck yet.

Top of page 16- Bobcat ATR1 .223 FN-FAL type rifle uses standard AR mags. Nothing on the Bobcat website yet...



I did ask about the website and it should be there now. ( I can't check at work but I remember it there before.)

xenophobe
12-11-2006, 2:04 PM
Screw Toad Bailey and anything he touches. His stuff is crap and he is loud mouth loser. Guess he hasn't made good on his word to "buy out HK" since his Special Weapons stuff is "equal if not better than HK".
Yeah right.

I personally have no guns from him as I refuse to do business with that guy. But have seen his stuff and heard it's always been a crap shoot with his stuff. 50% of the time it works, 50% of the time it doesn't. Just don't try going the warrantee route as he'll chew you a new one cause "my guns don't jam".

+1. Avoid Speschul Weapons at all costs, IMO.

Q
12-11-2006, 8:34 PM
i couldn't find the magazine at barnes and noble. anybody have a link or pic of the Bobcat ATR1 .223 FN-FAL type rifle? :confused:

thedrickel
12-11-2006, 8:50 PM
The Bobcats .223 FAL is out of the bag...

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=186241