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garbageman
05-03-2011, 8:17 PM
I would like to shoot a 100 yards or more. The rifle should have a light trigger and cost under 800 dollars. Thanks for the info.

ElvenSoul
05-03-2011, 8:30 PM
Check out CZ

sephy
05-03-2011, 8:35 PM
CZ 452. I owned one and sadly sold it. Fantastic rifle. I'll probably buy another... actually, I just bought $375 in Budsgunshop gift cards...

wu_dot_com
05-03-2011, 9:06 PM
nope to CZ, why not try vostok cm2. single shot, bolt action, the trigger is fully adjustable down to oz (hair trigger). it can either be mounted with a scope or iron peep sight.

Russian use it as the Olympic trainer. its design to shoot about 100M.

the best part is, CDNN have them on sale for 280 a pop, $18 flat fee shipping upto 4 rifles.

the accuracy of the CM2 will take CZ452 around the block and then some, it will shoot just as accurate as thousands of dollars anschutz 1907 with match ammo on bench rest.

its not a thing of beauty. but like most other russian made guns, they put the attentions on where it counts.

this is one of those sleeper guns that gets all the rave over on rimfirecentral.

BTW, the gun is a little bit on the heavy side, so only buy it if you are serious about accuracy and hair trigger. if you just want a toy gun that looks pretty, CZ will be more than enough to handle what you want to do.

pro-nra
05-03-2011, 9:13 PM
If price is no object then hand down Anschütz. For $400 or $600 look at the Kimber 82G from CMP.

usmcchet9296
05-03-2011, 9:58 PM
Check out CZ

Yup mine is great

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5245/5382776772_5533a5e5c2_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jhermesmeyer/5382776772/)
CZ452V (5) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jhermesmeyer/5382776772/) by usmcchet92_96 (http://www.flickr.com/people/jhermesmeyer/), on Flickr

first outting it was shooting 1 inch groups at 100 with Aguila match and has done so since
Im sure with better ammo it will shoot even better

nick
05-03-2011, 10:00 PM
http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/MARKIIBTVS

doctor_vals
05-03-2011, 10:03 PM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=228086344

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=227669173

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=227786028

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=227557157

Kryptyde
05-04-2011, 12:33 PM
I did quite a lot of research on this subject.

You will be hard pressed to beat a CZ 452 at this price point if its accuracy and quality you are after. There is a wide selection of configurations available to suit your individual taste.

www.cz-usa.com

There is a *massive* fanbase for these guns over at rimfirecentral.com and more information than you could ever want.

I have been extremely pleased with mine.

003
05-04-2011, 3:41 PM
http://www.thecmp.org/22targetsurplus.htm

Get a new in the box Kimber from CMP for $600.00

NRAhighpowershooter
05-04-2011, 3:57 PM
http://www.thecmp.org/22targetsurplus.htm

Get a new in the box Kimber from CMP for $600.00

problem with the Kimbers from the CMP is there are no parts back up... you break something on the riffle.. youse is done...that is why the CMP has been trying to get rid of them for the last 10 or so years....

Excelsior
05-04-2011, 4:38 PM
I would recommend a Savage MK II bolt rifle -- there are several versions available. They will out-shoot the vaunted CZs, they are American made and they cost considerably less.

Excelsior
05-04-2011, 4:40 PM
http://www.thecmp.org/22targetsurplus.htm

Get a new in the box Kimber from CMP for $600.00
For some time I have been hearing/seeing the $400.00 Kimbers to be just as clean as the $600.00 Kimbers...

ElvenSoul
05-04-2011, 4:46 PM
There is allways the $100 H&R Single Shot

fliparch
05-04-2011, 5:35 PM
+1 CZ 452

G-forceJunkie
05-04-2011, 5:35 PM
Except for the fact they are made in the Lakefield factory in Canada last I heard :) None the less, My BV is a great shooter with Wolf MT.I would recommend a Savage MK II bolt rifle -- there are several versions available. They will out-shoot the vaunted CZs, they are American made and they cost considerably less.

Tom-ADC
05-04-2011, 6:58 PM
Savage MK II with accu-trigger

rojocorsa
05-04-2011, 7:16 PM
CZ-452.


If I had an $800 budget, I'd probably roll with the 452 (which I think is the gun USMC Chet has in his pic).

I'm running a military trainer and I am really happy with it. I'm not the best marksman yet, so I don't have any amazing groups to post up. I recently put some 1.25" sling swivels and my USGI on it. I can't wait to try shooting with the sling on Friday.

FUBAR
05-04-2011, 9:11 PM
I'm kinda pushing towards the Russian rifles.

garbageman
05-04-2011, 9:14 PM
Thanks for all the input will check out the different guns and go from there.

Timberwolf
05-04-2011, 9:18 PM
Ditto on the Savage MkII. I've seen and shot more than my share of 22s especially the past couple of years and I feel quite confident in saying it is the most accurate out of the box 22 sans a dedicated target rifle

Flyingpootang
05-04-2011, 11:10 PM
CZ 452 387.00 I just completed a pillar/bedded the stock 8.00 and installed a YoDave kit 20.00 (black .014 spacer and the 1/2 pound spring. I shot it the range today it will shoot an 5 shot oblong hole at 25 yards with Federal 525 bulk ammo from Wally World. CZ's are dead nutz amazing for 415.00

j1133s
05-04-2011, 11:32 PM
I would like to shoot a 100 yards or more. The rifle should have a light trigger and cost under 800 dollars. Thanks for the info.

Most 22 rifles at the $800 price will have adjustable trigger pull weights which you can lighten as much as you like.

I'll save you some oney and ask you an important question, what do you want to do with this rifle? For example, if you want to shoot benchrest, hten weight isn't an issue, stock shape that sits stable on the bag is important; if you want to shoot silhouette/offhand and where classificcation also takes into account of rifle/scope weight, then it's a different set of requirements.

However, seriously, if you are willing to pay $800, I'd add just a little more to make it $1k, then you get a lot more (better) options.

j1133s
05-04-2011, 11:38 PM
problem with the Kimbers from the CMP is there are no parts back up... you break something on the riffle.. youse is done...that is why the CMP has been trying to get rid of them for the last 10 or so years....

I disagree. I think the reason CMP can't sell them is because those rifles are not suitable for anything (competitions/collecting/historical/or cheap shooters). So you say benchrest? Well, they aren't good enough for serious shooters and they are too expensive for beginners who should just use whatever rifle they have and buy a real benchrest rifle later. 3 position? (which looks like their original purpose), seriously, who shoots those besides the juniors and they just don't have any money sp theyuse the club rifles.

The only remaining buyers that I see are people who just want to shoot from the bench at range days. And there aren't that many willing to pay $600 for a non-tactical looking bolt action.

Mr. Burns
05-04-2011, 11:47 PM
Savage

sephy
05-05-2011, 2:06 AM
I forgot to ask first time around, but are you looking for an $800 rifle to add optics to or $800 for the whole thing?

If you're looking for the whole thing I'd go with CZ first (I have a thing for CZ) or Savage second (My brother has one and it is very accurate). This way you'll have enough green leftover to purchase a decent optic to sit on top of it.

mkane
05-06-2011, 7:16 AM
CZ 453/Nitrez TR-1 6x20AO. Bench use only. If I were to use this for hunting, a different scope would be mounted. 500$ for the 453, scope is 200$, DIP trigger guard 120$, J&P action screws, delrin weaver adaptors, firing pin spring, 50$, Burris sig, Z rings, 40$, jewelled bolt, 55$. Very accurate rimfire when used with the ammo the gun likes. My favorite rimfire.

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll58/MKane63t/001-1.jpg

Excelsior
05-06-2011, 7:40 AM
Except for the fact they are made in the Lakefield factory in Canada last I heard :) None the less, My BV is a great shooter with Wolf MT.
Touche! ;)

They'll still out-shoot a CZ and they are still cheaper...

Excelsior
05-06-2011, 7:47 AM
http://www.frontierfirearms.ca/images/93r17brj.png
Savage Mark II BRJ. Under $375.00 and it will easily out-shoot a CZ 452 -- not massaging needed...

Kryptyde
05-06-2011, 7:48 AM
Touche! ;)

They'll still out-shoot a CZ and they are still cheaper...

Most consider CZ to be of higher quality and accuracy in general than Savage Arms. CZ are also notorious for getting very good results with low price ammo which is a bonus.

Excelsior
05-06-2011, 7:55 AM
Most consider CZ to be of higher quality and accuracy in general than Savage Arms. CZ are also notorious for getting very good results with low price ammo which is a bonus.

Naw. Savage 22's measure up very well with similarly priced CZs. In terms of pure accuracy I suspect a sub-$200.00 Savage would compete head-on with CZs costing twice as much.

Kryptyde
05-06-2011, 8:00 AM
Naw. Savage 22's measure up very well with similarly priced CZs. In terms of pure accuracy I suspect a sub-$200.00 Savage would compete head-on with CZs costing twice as much.

Not according to the real experts over on rfc that have personally owned or tested all of these guns and can provide an unbiased opinion.

wu_dot_com
05-06-2011, 8:19 AM
Not according to the real experts over on rfc that have personally owned or tested all of these guns and can provide an unbiased opinion.

by the same token, RFC expert also agreed that vostok CM2 will out shoot both CZ and savage while being cheaper. vostok can shoot just as well as those Annis from bench.

plus the trigger on those older CM2 can be adjusted all the way down to a few oz, while most sub 1k guns only allows you to adjust down to lbs.

for $280 neither savage or CZ can beat this package. this is as long as you can get over the ugliness of the gun.

Timberwolf
05-06-2011, 8:21 AM
I don't know about the what the "real experts" at RFC say but I do know what I've seen at the 22 matches that I hosted over the past three years and that is that the varmint versions of the Savage Mark II are one o the most accurate out of he box 22 rifles I've ever seen for their price, hands down. I would even venture to say that they are bullet splitting accurate and I have quite a few witnesses on that.

rojocorsa
05-06-2011, 9:10 AM
http://www.frontierfirearms.ca/images/93r17brj.png
Savage Mark II BRJ. Under $375.00 and it will easily out-shoot a CZ 452 -- not massaging needed...

Then again, that one looks like its purpose built for target shooting. Same thing with that Soviet CM-2. It's a purpose built target rifle.

My gun OTOH, is more of a field gun...(as are the Varmint and the American.)
http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/8310/cz001.jpg



I guess the only real way is to go on a head to head competition, right?



One detail I like about my 452 Trainer is its Mauser-esque likeness. So much so that I refer to it as "Little Brother of Mauser."

wu_dot_com
05-06-2011, 9:27 AM
Then again, that one looks like its purpose built for target shooting. Same thing with that Soviet CM-2. It's a purpose built target rifle.

My gun OTOH, is more of a field gun...(as are the Varmint and the American.)
http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/8310/cz001.jpg



I guess the only real way is to go on a head to head competition, right?



One detail I like about my 452 Trainer is its Mauser-esque likeness. So much so that I refer to it as "Little Brother of Mauser."

by all means, if OP is intended to shoot small games out to 100 yds. the 452 trainer or the 452 FS will be a solid choice.

but if he want to be "very accurate" i.e. target shooting, than those target rifles are better choice.

kojak5150
05-06-2011, 9:32 AM
I have one of these and love it.


http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/MARKIIBTVS

bombadillo
05-06-2011, 9:34 AM
I'm a savage fan. I really like the small bore savage rifles. They are made top notch, have dependable accurate barrels, and their triggers are almost unbeatable from the box if you get an accutrigger.

rojocorsa
05-06-2011, 9:36 AM
by all means, if OP is intended to shoot small games out to 100 yds. the 452 trainer or the 452 FS will be a solid choice.

but if he want to be "very accurate" i.e. target shooting, than those target rifles are better choice.

I agree 100%. Though OP was very broad, and I think that's how the rest of the thread developed.

I would like to shoot a 100 yards or more. The rifle should have a light trigger and cost under 800 dollars. Thanks for the info.


He did not specify whether he wanted a target or a field gun, you know?

I just wanted to point out that Mk.2 pictured above was not in the same league because it was target specific given its features.


I guess the bottom line is that OP could not go wrong with both.

bombadillo
05-06-2011, 9:38 AM
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_62/products_id/411540387

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/25740.jpg

A bit flashy, but nuts accurate!

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_62/products_id/43580

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/D11/43/43580.jpg

This is what I would go with given I needed ANOTHER .22!!!

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_62/products_id/60986

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/60986.gif

And the tactical in a McMillan style target stock. I like all three for different reasons.

All have the accutrigger which is adjustable down to sub 3 lbs, and is going to break very clean!

IPSICK
05-06-2011, 10:41 AM
These are all making want to shoot my Mark II FVT during my lunch break.

Btw, I don't think you can go wrong with either the CZ452 or the Savage Mark II. I just prefer the Mark II because it has an Accutrigger like my hunting rifle.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_62/products_id/411540387

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/25740.jpg

A bit flashy, but nuts accurate!

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_62/products_id/43580

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/D11/43/43580.jpg

This is what I would go with given I needed ANOTHER .22!!!

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_62/products_id/60986

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/60986.gif

And the tactical in a McMillan style target stock. I like all three for different reasons.

All have the accutrigger which is adjustable down to sub 3 lbs, and is going to break very clean!

nakoomba
05-06-2011, 11:11 AM
Only problem with a savage is the quality control. In the 22 matches we used to have at apts there is always someone with a savage in every match having some kind of problem with the bolt getting stuck, firing ping not working, magazine not dropping etc.

I wouldn't trust it in any kind of tournament environment.

bombadillo
05-06-2011, 11:27 AM
Only problem with a savage is the quality control. In the 22 matches we used to have at apts there is always someone with a savage in every match having some kind of problem with the bolt getting stuck, firing ping not working, magazine not dropping etc.

I wouldn't trust it in any kind of tournament environment.

I'm surprised you say that. I've seen quite a few of them and they've all run flawless around here. I may chalk that up to user error of some sort but you never know...

Excelsior
05-06-2011, 2:36 PM
Not according to the real experts over on rfc that have personally owned or tested all of these guns and can provide an unbiased opinion.
Yeah? You have information where shooters owned both Savages and CZs and prepared reports that the CZs out-shot the Savages? Let's see them.

Quite a few seem to be in love with the CZ -- largely because of cost at first, although they are no longer cheap. Those who write about CZs usually wouldn't even consider a Savage because they lack the CZs largely pseudo panache.

Excelsior
05-06-2011, 2:38 PM
I'm surprised you say that. I've seen quite a few of them and they've all run flawless around here. I may chalk that up to user error of some sort but you never know...
Same here. Nothing wrong with the quality of Savage rifles. If anything they're like bomb-proof simple weapons...

Excelsior
05-06-2011, 2:38 PM
Only problem with a savage is the quality control. In the 22 matches we used to have at apts there is always someone with a savage in every match having some kind of problem with the bolt getting stuck, firing ping not working, magazine not dropping etc.

I wouldn't trust it in any kind of tournament environment.
I have never witnessed that. Not ever.

Excelsior
05-06-2011, 2:42 PM
I don't know about the what the "real experts" at RFC say but I do know what I've seen at the 22 matches that I hosted over the past three years and that is that the varmint versions of the Savage Mark II are one o the most accurate out of he box 22 rifles I've ever seen for their price, hands down. I would even venture to say that they are bullet splitting accurate and I have quite a few witnesses on that.
Amen!

Timberwolf
05-06-2011, 6:40 PM
I guess we could put the Sav v CZ to a test just to see. I have a bone stock MkII BTVS if someone has a similar CZ - say 1/4" dots at 50 yards = 20 dots, one shot per dot from the bench using bipod and rear bag.

And I wouldn't really classify my Sav as a target rifle - its bloodied way too many squirrels

Mike A
05-06-2011, 7:26 PM
I have a Savage 93 "Classic" with the Accutrigger. It really IS a classic; looks like a big game rifle. I put a 2x7 scope on it and have used it for a ground squirrel/jackrabbit/crow killer for two years. Have a look at one. Not a target rifle, but shoots better than most people can shoot it. And it is beautiful, unlike the MKII series.

Excelsior
05-06-2011, 7:32 PM
I guess we could put the Sav v CZ to a test just to see. I have a bone stock MkII BTVS if someone has a similar CZ - say 1/4" dots at 50 yards = 20 dots, one shot per dot from the bench using bipod and rear bag.

And I wouldn't really classify my Sav as a target rifle - its bloodied way too many squirrels
That would be awesome. If I had a CZ I would try to compete via posted scanned targets...

Excelsior
05-06-2011, 7:35 PM
Only problem with a savage is the quality control. In the 22 matches we used to have at apts there is always someone with a savage in every match having some kind of problem with the bolt getting stuck, firing ping not working, magazine not dropping etc.

I wouldn't trust it in any kind of tournament environment.

I have been thinking about this and I have to call "malarkey."

I don't think Savage 22's have "quality control" problems based on visual inspections and actual use. They are simple firearms and they are fairly rock solid. Nothing esoteric about them.

You comment "there is always someone with a savage in every match having some kind of problem with the bolt getting stuck, firing ping not working, magazine not dropping etc." just doesn't ring true.

Flyingpootang
05-07-2011, 6:53 AM
Since this is turning into a Savage vs CZ debate I'll throw my .02 into it. I found a thread on RFC where someone was trying to decide between a MKII and a 452 which was posted in the Savage forum. Before reading it I was expecting to hear a lot of CZ bashing, but I was surprised with a majority of the post saying out of the box the Savage has the slightly better trigger, the accuracy was about the same, the Savage was more finiky with ammo, while the CZ got amazing results with bulk ammo, and the CZ was better machined and all around build was better. The Savage was defintly cheaper and the extra mags are about 1/2 the price of a CZ. There is a vids on YouTube with a Marine shooting a 452, iron sights, over 250 yards and hitting a 6" target every time. There are also a few others with a scoped 452 hitting targets further away. The down side of the

Excelsior
05-07-2011, 7:38 AM
Since this is turning into a Savage vs CZ debate I'll throw my .02 into it. I found a thread on RFC where someone was trying to decide between a MKII and a 452 which was posted in the Savage forum. Before reading it I was expecting to hear a lot of CZ bashing, but I was surprised with a majority of the post saying out of the box the Savage has the slightly better trigger, the accuracy was about the same, the Savage was more finiky with ammo, while the CZ got amazing results with bulk ammo, and the CZ was better machined and all around build was better. The Savage was defintly cheaper and the extra mags are about 1/2 the price of a CZ. There is a vids on YouTube with a Marine shooting a 452, iron sights, over 250 yards and hitting a 6" target every time. There are also a few others with a scoped 452 hitting targets further away. The down side of the
How so? Did someone actually get hold of a set of prints for both rifles and mic-out sample for each?

rojocorsa
05-07-2011, 9:04 AM
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/60986.gif

I like this one. Not gonna lie.

dwh100
05-07-2011, 9:59 AM
They will out-shoot the vaunted CZs, ...

They'll still out-shoot a CZ and they are still cheaper...

In terms of pure accuracy I suspect a sub-$200.00 Savage would compete head-on with CZs costing twice as much.

Sounds like your just a Savage fanboy. First they will...., then you suspect..... What's next? Will you guess? Will you bet a penny? :smilielol5: Got any proof to back up your claims? Fanboys need facts not hunches.

CZs and Savages are both fine shooting rifles! I've shot both and liked both, but I pefered the CZ. In the examples I shot the CZ was more consistent, and a tiny bit more accurate. Plus the fit and finish on the CZ are nicer IMHO.

only10x
05-07-2011, 10:03 AM
both suck.
Get an Anschutz 54.18 or 1712 :p

Excelsior
05-07-2011, 1:03 PM
Sounds like your just a Savage fanboy. First they will...., then you suspect..... What's next? Will you guess? Will you bet a penny? :smilielol5: Got any proof to back up your claims? Fanboys need facts not hunches.

CZs and Savages are both fine shooting rifles! I've shot both and liked both, but I pefered the CZ. In the examples I shot the CZ was more consistent, and a tiny bit more accurate. Plus the fit and finish on the CZ are nicer IMHO.

I don't have a horse in this race. While I have shot both CZ and Savage .22's, my tastes run towards Remingtons. My most accurate .22 is an old CMP 541X. With the rough dunked-in-boiled linseed oil finish and Williams sights, it will easily out-shoot either the CZ or the Savage.

That said the Savage is impossible to beat it accuracy and low price are paramount concerns. The comments about Savage's "quality control" is simply nonsense from those who covet their CZs.

Flyingpootang
05-07-2011, 2:36 PM
How so? Did someone actually get hold of a set of prints for both rifles and mic-out sample for each?

First off I'm sure Savages are great rifles, but the people making the comparisons are owners of both, so "a set of prints" aren't required. Secondly try not to be so critical if someone doesn't agree with your views by quoting every differing opinion other then your own. I couldn't say one was better than the other since I don't on a Savage, but only post on my research findings and my own experience. Here are one of the many existing post from RFC inside of the Savage forum: http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=391919

Just so you don't have to reply to my post in a quote I'm sure there are other threads stating how stellar Savages are and how they're individually blessed by the Gun Gods themselves :eek:

Excelsior
05-07-2011, 4:25 PM
First off I'm sure Savages are great rifles, but the people making the comparisons are owners of both, so "a set of prints" aren't required. Secondly try not to be so critical if someone doesn't agree with your views by quoting every differing opinion other then your own. I couldn't say one was better than the other since I don't on a Savage, but only post on my research findings and my own experience. Here are one of the many existing post from RFC inside of the Savage forum: http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=391919

Just so you don't have to reply to my post in a quote I'm sure there are other threads stating how stellar Savages are and how they're individually blessed by the Gun Gods themselves :eek:
What "research findings?" You think posters on RFC are authorities? My only question was just what the hell does "the CZ was better machined and all around build was better" actually mean?

Was the CZ closer in tolerance to its actual design? Did you and the RFC brain-trust actually measure a set? Did the CZ design specify a surface finish that was more to your liking based on a visual inspection? Just what does your quote mean?

People seem to make (and repeat) comments that have absolutely no basis in fact. Your "the CZ was better machined and all around build was better" seems to be one of those. When I asked what it actually meant I was meant with hyperbole that was meant to obfuscate rather than answer the question.

Flyingpootang
05-08-2011, 6:35 AM
What "research findings?" You think posters on RFC are authorities? My only question was just what the hell does "the CZ was better machined and all around build was better" actually mean?

Was the CZ closer in tolerance to its actual design? Did you and the RFC brain-trust actually measure a set? Did the CZ design specify a surface finish that was more to your liking based on a visual inspection? Just what does your quote mean?

People seem to make (and repeat) comments that have absolutely no basis in fact. Your "the CZ was better machined and all around build was better" seems to be one of those. When I asked what it actually meant I was meant with hyperbole that was meant to obfuscate rather than answer the question.

I'm sorry every thing you have/own is way better than everyone else and since your expertise is so renowned all over the world we (the common folk) will forever live in your shadow. Maybe you should be the only one to post and we should just sit back anxiously await your words of wisdom:sleeping::sleeping::sleeping:.

ccrews
05-08-2011, 6:41 AM
I have both the Savage and the CZ. Both are bone stock. Either is a good gun but I choose the Savage. Mine is the MKII with the thumb hole stock. The factory adjustable trigger swings the deal for me.

donw
05-08-2011, 8:23 AM
CZ 452 with Leupold RF glass...:hurray::hurray::hurray::coolgleamA:

Flyingpootang
05-08-2011, 11:23 AM
I have both the Savage and the CZ. Both are bone stock. Either is a good gun but I choose the Savage. Mine is the MKII with the thumb hole stock. The factory adjustable trigger swings the deal for me.

For what Savage is offering out of the box is a great deal. IF I had room for one more I'd get a MRR.

johnthomas
05-08-2011, 12:28 PM
http://www.henryrepeating.com/rifle-acubolt.cfm
Made in America, by Americans with American products.

bombadillo
05-08-2011, 12:56 PM
http://www.henryrepeating.com/rifle-acubolt.cfm
Made in America, by Americans with American products.

Dig it, but I'd still rather do a Savage thumbhole bull barreled .17hmr for around the same price.

Excelsior
05-08-2011, 5:00 PM
I'm sorry every thing you have/own is way better than everyone else and since your expertise is so renowned all over the world we (the common folk) will forever live in your shadow. Maybe you should be the only one to post and we should just sit back anxiously await your words of wisdom:sleeping::sleeping::sleeping:.

Why not try to substantiate your comments that I asked about rather than try to misdirect the conversation? Your comments fool no one -- you are unable to give proof to your claims.

Ripon83
05-08-2011, 10:44 PM
Be a contrarian....77/22....I've enjoyed it for 20 + years....it can't seem to miss anything I shoot at

Flyingpootang
05-09-2011, 6:21 AM
Why not try to substantiate your comments that I asked about rather than try to misdirect the conversation? Your comments fool no one -- you are unable to give proof to your claims.

Learn to read, comprehend, then intelligently respond, I might want to respond to your post. I simply stated what other CZ and Savage owners said in a Savage forum "hence It's their opinion" of the difference between the 2 and their preferences. My decision to by a CZ as previously stated was done on "My research" not on scientific data. Until you've learned that ranting and showing your ignorance is only making you look foolish you will be ignored by me and others who have already stopped responding to your post.

Excelsior
05-09-2011, 1:04 PM
Learn to read, comprehend, then intelligently respond, I might want to respond to your post. I simply stated what other CZ and Savage owners said in a Savage forum "hence It's their opinion" of the difference between the 2 and their preferences. My decision to by a CZ as previously stated was done on "My research" not on scientific data. Until you've learned that ranting and showing your ignorance is only making you look foolish you will be ignored by me and others who have already stopped responding to your post.
You need to learn that making/repeating comments like "the CZ was better machined and all around build was better" is bad form. Just what does it mean or are you just parroting an "expert" from RFC?

You also need to learn that ad hominems meant to obfuscate are very transparent. You just don't want to defend your claims. As far as "looking foolish" one wonders if you are looking in a mirror right now?

You can start "ignoring" me now... ;)

Excelsior
05-09-2011, 1:05 PM
Be a contrarian....77/22....I've enjoyed it for 20 + years....it can't seem to miss anything I shoot at
Those are good rifles but Ruger seems to be awfully proud of them when it comes to pricing...

Flyingpootang
05-09-2011, 3:46 PM
You need to learn that making/repeating comments like "the CZ was better machined and all around build was better" is bad form. Just what does it mean or are you just parroting an "expert" from RFC?

You also need to learn that ad hominems meant to obfuscate are very transparent. You just don't want to defend your claims. As far as "looking foolish" one wonders if you are looking in a mirror right now?

You can start "ignoring" me now... ;)

Again read, comprehend, then post. I never said the marching was better. RFC members who owned both stated it. Instead of wasting time looking for eloquent words in the dictionary to use in your post, try to read over what I posted, then spend all the rest of your life looking in the mirror:smilielol5:

Timberwolf
05-09-2011, 4:48 PM
How about we end all the word slinging and settle it shooter's style - if we're all too spread out for a good ol' fashion shootin match then . . . can we say postal match. CZs vs Savages - 50 yards - 1/2" dots - 1 shot per dot - 20 dots - no radial tears counted only real hits - we can scan in our targets into .pdf and let the results speak for themselves. I can post the target if y'all like as it was a std stage in my rimfire matches.

Timberwolf
05-09-2011, 4:55 PM
Here ya go
http://mytargets.com/target24%20red%20half%20inch%20on%20grid.pdf

G-forceJunkie
05-09-2011, 6:31 PM
But...But...I can't win that being an internet tough guy!?!?How about we end all the word slinging and settle it shooter's style - if we're all too spread out for a good ol' fashion shootin match then . . . can we say postal match. CZs vs Savages - 50 yards - 1/2" dots - 1 shot per dot - 20 dots - no radial tears counted only real hits - we can scan in our targets into .pdf and let the results speak for themselves. I can post the target if y'all like as it was a std stage in my rimfire matches.

Timberwolf
05-09-2011, 6:50 PM
But...But...I can't win that being an internet tough guy!?!?

LOL

wu_dot_com
05-09-2011, 9:30 PM
BTW, i think to be fair, you might need to set some ground rules.

i.e. scope or iron? if scope what magnification?

what type of ammo? bulk pack, SV, target?

prone, knee, free standing, sandbag?

in door vs out door?

otherwise the shootout test will be a reflection of each shooters skills rather than the capability of the gun.

Flyingpootang
05-10-2011, 6:53 AM
How about we end all the word slinging and settle it shooter's style - if we're all too spread out for a good ol' fashion shootin match then . . . can we say postal match. CZs vs Savages - 50 yards - 1/2" dots - 1 shot per dot - 20 dots - no radial tears counted only real hits - we can scan in our targets into .pdf and let the results speak for themselves. I can post the target if y'all like as it was a std stage in my rimfire matches.

Sounds great to me, but you have to set all the ground rules like the other member stated: Scope, iron, indoor/outdoor, bipod, bag, etc..\

shooterdude
05-10-2011, 9:12 AM
Ditto on the Savage MkII. I've seen and shot more than my share of 22s especially the past couple of years and I feel quite confident in saying it is the most accurate out of the box 22 sans a dedicated target rifle

My Savage MK2 with a standard barrel, composite factory stock and a cheap Centerpoint 3-9 scope from Walmart can hit pieces of clay birds at 50 yards with cheap bulk ammo all day long or until I get bored :-)

IrishPirate
05-10-2011, 9:14 AM
I would recommend a Savage MK II bolt rifle -- there are several versions available. They will out-shoot the vaunted CZs, they are American made and they cost considerably less.

+1


if you really want to shoot accurate, get the .17hmr model. Little more expensive to shoot, but SO MUCH FUN!!!!!

[url]http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/D11/43/43580.jpg


my buddy bought his dad that rifle in .17hmr and it is AMAZING! it just feels so good in your hands. it's rediculously accurate too, and he paid $400. he threw a scope and bipod on it and the total was $500 and change. he's shot abunch of critters with it already and destroys mandarin oranges out past 100yds no problem. if you're thinking savage, this gun wont dissapoint.

rojocorsa
05-10-2011, 2:17 PM
I have both the Savage and the CZ. Both are bone stock. Either is a good gun but I choose the Savage. Mine is the MKII with the thumb hole stock. The factory adjustable trigger swings the deal for me.

You realize that the 452 also has a factory adjustable trigger, correct?

http://rimfireshooting.com/index.php?showtopic=4228

rojocorsa
05-10-2011, 2:19 PM
The only way to resolve the CZ vs. Savage piss match is to go head to head. That is all.

Tanner68
05-10-2011, 9:53 PM
Here ya go
http://mytargets.com/target24%20red%20half%20inch%20on%20grid.pdf

So are those two guys going to pick up that glove, or just keep slinging words? I have both my dictionary and my rifle ready.

Thefeeder
05-11-2011, 12:01 AM
If you want the best of the best 22 sporters made :

Anschutz 54 Sporter
Remington 40X Sporter (the early 70's version)
Winchester 52 Sporter
Kimber 82 Super America (OR)
Kimber 82 Custom Match (OR)

Next in line:

Kimber 82
Kimber HS
Kimber SVT
Browning 52
Browning ATD
Remington 541T

Thats it! I'm done

bombadillo
05-11-2011, 7:31 AM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=228802662

How about a Remington 40-x Benchrest rifle. Set to a rough pull of 2oz!!! :D

Thefeeder
05-11-2011, 11:52 AM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=228802662

How about a Remington 40-x Benchrest rifle. Set to a rough pull of 2oz!!! :D


22? Thats a 222

This 22

http://www.gunsamerica.com/920550306/Guns/Rifles/Remington-Rifles-Modern/Bolt-Action-Non-Model-700/Remington_40X_Sporter_22_rimfire_custom_shop_rifle .htm

bombadillo
05-11-2011, 12:28 PM
Aww, crap!! Wrong link. Same rifle though. Those 40-X rifles are sweet shooters, but they bring in a pretty penny. Got to shoot one with a harmonic barrel adjuster, bedded, trick trigger, and a bunch of doodads here and there and boy it was a tack driver at 50 and 100 yards.

rojocorsa
05-11-2011, 4:57 PM
If you want the best of the best 22 sporters made :

Anschutz 54 Sporter
Remington 40X Sporter (the early 70's version)
Winchester 52 Sporter
Kimber 82 Super America (OR)
Kimber 82 Custom Match (OR)

Next in line:

Kimber 82
Kimber HS
Kimber SVT
Browning 52
Browning ATD
Remington 541T

Thats it! I'm done

Just curious, what is the criteria for these being the best? I am not a rimfire connoisseur, so I am indeed curious. I just know about the every-day brands, from Marlin to CZ.

Thefeeder
05-11-2011, 6:59 PM
Just curious, what is the criteria for these being the best? I am not a rimfire connoisseur, so I am indeed curious. I just know about the every-day brands, from Marlin to CZ.

OP asked "who makes a accurate quality 22 bolt action"

These are 22 with match chambers, high quality or match actions, quality wood all the way up to AAA French or Carlo Walnut, high collectability and high resale value, many continue to appreciate in value.

The Kimber HS came with a factory shot 50yd group....the one I bought came with a .32 inch 50yd test group.

Hope this is the info you were asking for

Punch some of these models in a search and find more info on them.

Forgot to add Cooper models to the list

mkane
05-12-2011, 5:06 AM
Not many under 800$ Buy a CZ 453 and never look back.

rojocorsa
05-12-2011, 10:31 AM
OP asked "who makes a accurate quality 22 bolt action"

These are 22 with match chambers, high quality or match actions, quality wood all the way up to AAA French or Carlo Walnut, high collectability and high resale value, many continue to appreciate in value.

The Kimber HS came with a factory shot 50yd group....the one I bought came with a .32 inch 50yd test group.

Hope this is the info you were asking for

Punch some of these models in a search and find more info on them.

Forgot to add Cooper models to the list


OK, the part in bold helps. Thank you.

mkane
06-04-2011, 8:33 AM
Bring back the dead. CZ 453 5 shot groups.
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll58/MKane63t/001-5.jpg