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Ub3rDorK
05-02-2011, 10:57 PM
Im starting to slow myself down and think before I buy a Sig P226 BTFO and possibly go rent some guns at a local range just to make sure I REALLY want the 226.

My requirements:

9mm
SA/DA
Full size
Not for carry (but down the road could possibly)
Accy Rail

those are my main items I want. I love the sig p226, it shoots amazing. I already own a Springfield XDSC in 9mm, kimber 1911 and a bersa thunder 380.
Im just looking for recommendations to go check out since the local gun shops dont have EVERYTHING and some places have skewed visions on certain manufacturers. Please if you can be descriptive in why.

sniper4usmc
05-02-2011, 11:01 PM
CZ 75 SP-01 or Beretta 92

five.five-six
05-02-2011, 11:03 PM
waltehr p99, love mine

leelaw
05-02-2011, 11:05 PM
CZ 75 SP-01

Right there is the answer.

Ub3rDorK
05-02-2011, 11:06 PM
Ok CZ 75....Why? and over the p226 BTFO?

Blackhawk556
05-02-2011, 11:17 PM
Look at my avatar. The one on the right ;)

nimbus
05-02-2011, 11:22 PM
CZ75 SP01. Has all of your requirements and is a whole lot less expensive than the Sig.

I bought one and will never sell it. I shot and owned P226's and could never be very accurate with it. The position of the slide lock/release really got in the way of my grip. So instead of changing the way I shot, I changed the gun to the CZ and never looked back.

To me ergos in the CZ are superior, accuracy with my shooting is superior, the reliability is equal. Stock trigger would go to Sig in terms of smoothness, but a CZ competition hammer solved that problem.

The 226 is an awesome gun, but not $300-$400 more awesome than my CZ. It just didn't have that kind of value to me.

I would also recommend the FNP-9 and Beretta M9 as well.

Ub3rDorK
05-02-2011, 11:25 PM
question...is the CZ polymer?

thats an excellent answer. That will be on my list to check out.

I have to say the Sig had an amazing trigger on it...I almost like it more than my 1911. Also...the CZ has a 5 year warranty? The sig lifetime?

Lych
05-02-2011, 11:30 PM
the cz 75 sp01 is all steel
there is a polymer framed cz sp01 phantom but i dont think its on the list

zfields
05-02-2011, 11:32 PM
phantom is not on the list.

The spo1 is a great gun, but heeeeeeeeeeavy

my 75 SA only is heavy enough, that full length dustcover/rail just tacks on more :)

sniper4usmc
05-02-2011, 11:35 PM
or you can buy Both FNP9 and taurus PT92 for under $1000:hide:

Ub3rDorK
05-02-2011, 11:37 PM
well its boiling down to having employee stock purchase and I have a little over $1000 in it. I'm just trying to figure out which I should get.

what about the S&W MnP?

626Tony
05-02-2011, 11:39 PM
smith and wesson M&P compact then

zfields
05-02-2011, 11:40 PM
M&P are very good guns also. Im not a fan of the trigger personaly.

They are not DA/SA though, they are striker fired "Safe" action (never understood why people call this DAO, THEY ARE NOT DOUBLE ACTION)

Ub3rDorK
05-02-2011, 11:40 PM
oh I thought i read it was...this stuff just blends together after a while.

zfields
05-02-2011, 11:42 PM
they list it, along with glocks, and XDs are DAO....but try pulling that trigger a second time and see what it does : )

tonelar
05-02-2011, 11:43 PM
You already have a standard P226 and you want to spend under $1000 before deciding on buying a P226 BTFO?

Ub3rDorK
05-02-2011, 11:43 PM
No i dont have a p226...i want one in BTFO.

bsg
05-02-2011, 11:44 PM
i am a fan of the older w german/german P226 in 9mm. no accessory rail or other whistles and bells; just an offering of unmistakable german craftsmanship. these older examples of the P226 are wonderful shooters. i have no dislike for the newer offerings; simply prefer the older P226.

FrankDux
05-02-2011, 11:51 PM
Get the BTFO if you love the p226, only difference between the p226r and the btfo is the front cocking serrations which i like, tru-glo front sight and it comes with 4 mags. for some odd reason i shot all over the place with it, think it goes for all 9mm with me, so i got rid of it, wish i just switched out the sights and put the E2 grips on it.

tonelar
05-02-2011, 11:56 PM
Buy a German or better yet W German P 226. That's cheaper than the BTFO and will spoil you for all other wonder nines.

i am a fan of the older w german/german P226 in 9mm. no accessory rail or other whistles and bells; just an offering of unmistakable german craftsmanship. these older examples of the P226 are wonderful shooters. i have no dislike for the newer offerings; simply prefer the older P226.

1nsanity
05-03-2011, 12:49 AM
p226st or cz75

pumpkinonapost
05-03-2011, 12:54 AM
FNP-9

duc748bip
05-03-2011, 2:07 AM
H&K P2000, just because no one mention it yet.

ivanimal
05-03-2011, 2:08 AM
CZ is what I would buy.

erik18
05-03-2011, 5:10 AM
P229 with e2 grips. It's just slightly smaller than full size and the new e2 grips are amazing. I love my 229e2. It's my EDC gun...

Call_me_Tom
05-03-2011, 5:24 AM
I also suggest a CZ SP-01 for the same reasons already mentioned. Sig QC has gone down hill in the last few years. Like many others have suggested, if you get a Sig buy an older German made one.

ninjawho?
05-03-2011, 5:55 AM
I also suggest a CZ SP-01 for the same reasons already mentioned. Sig QC has gone down hill in the last few years. Like many others have suggested, if you get a Sig buy an older German made one.

Concur..

glockmeister
05-03-2011, 6:23 AM
CZ SP01. Ergos are great, has the accessory rail, full size and accurate. Took mine out for a UDPSA shoot over the weekend and loved it. Trigger could be better, but that's easy to upgrade with all the goodies from czc custom.

rogervzv
05-03-2011, 7:16 AM
Im starting to slow myself down and think before I buy a Sig P226 BTFO and possibly go rent some guns at a local range just to make sure I REALLY want the 226.

My requirements:

9mm
SA/DA
Full size
Not for carry (but down the road could possibly)
Accy Rail
.

Beretta M9A1 meets those criteria. I pick mine up Thursday. :D

Damiiaaannn
05-03-2011, 7:28 AM
Browning HP, even though it's not ever thing you required. Test fire it and see what you think, I think its the best 9mm pistol ever.

Oceanbob
05-03-2011, 7:31 AM
a HK P 30 9MM v3

jonzer77
05-03-2011, 7:35 AM
Cz sp-01 ftw

jermzzzzzzz
05-03-2011, 7:38 AM
Can't go wrong with either a P226 or a Beretta M9A1.

giants_fan24
05-03-2011, 7:55 AM
If your willing to spend the money then just get the Sig. If you buy the CZ its a good gun but you'll always think about the Sig, so save your self the trouble and get Sig trust me.

timmy8151
05-03-2011, 8:38 AM
Go for the CZ.

1 SIG fan
05-03-2011, 8:43 AM
The Btfo is awesome. The tritium fiber optic front sight is great. Gun is smooth and accurate. The 226 is one of my fav shooters

gorenut
05-03-2011, 8:57 AM
I'd go CZ as well and I've owned 3 P226s. They are indeed nice guns.. but I don't think they're worth the extra cost vs CZ.

CZs just point and shoot more naturally for me and I think have better ergos + controls. It has a reverse/scalloped frame/rail setup so you can ride the gun higher. I've never had a CZ not lock up properly for me after the last shot. With Sigs, you have to make sure your hand doesn't interfere with the slide catch. The lower bore axis is just a bonus.

I've been through Sigs and H&Ks and if I were in the market for a steel DA/SA today, I'd go CZ. Just off of shooting my friend's Phantom and 75 B, I know the SP-01 is a champ.

USMC VET
05-03-2011, 9:06 AM
I didnt see the CZ SP01 on the list just the P01, same gun?

gorenut
05-03-2011, 9:17 AM
I didnt see the CZ SP01 on the list just the P01, same gun?

SP01 is the full size, p01 is a "compact"

HK Dave
05-03-2011, 9:19 AM
HK USP ;)

gorenut
05-03-2011, 9:22 AM
waltehr p99, love mine

^ I think its worth a look too. In my opinion, it won't give you the "luxury" feeling shooting that a P226 or a CZ might give you (it is polymer afterall), but I think its a very innovative DA/SA gun. It differs from most because its striker-fired instead of hammer and you can carry the gun safely in 3 different trigger modes. Its got one of the cleanest breaks in DA/SA.

Admittedly, compared to other guns I've shot, there is more perceived recoil for me, but it might be because I'm currently shooting with the medium back strap. I just switched it with the large last night, hopefully it'll serve me better next range visit. - BTW, another great feature of the gun.. comes with 3 different back straps.

ZX-10R
05-03-2011, 9:23 AM
FNP-9 and M&P 9...Then you have the best of both worlds.

Ub3rDorK
05-03-2011, 9:36 AM
Wow I had no idea that the cz was so popular. I think this is going to be at the top of my list to check out. Plus if they are 300 or so cheaper I can grab some goodies for it.

How are the sights on the cz75?

Ub3rDorK
05-03-2011, 9:37 AM
What about the hk usp?

gorenut
05-03-2011, 9:54 AM
What about the hk usp?

It feels like a tried and true, but semi-outdated design to me. Controls are overly big to accommodate those shooting with gloves. That can be both a negative or positive depending on user. One of the selling points of USPs is that you can carry it in Condition 1 like a 1911. I think since USPs have been around for some time and H&K already has newer models/updates of guns.. USPs have finally fallen to a price-point which I think they're worth. I've seen used ones go for around the $500 mark. Mags will still be expensive unless you go with USP 40, I see them on clearance a lot on various sites like CDNN Investments (~$20), probably because they're the most common.

Personally, I like the P226 and CZ better than the USP (as far as how they feel and shoot). I even like the SigPro better than the USP (then again, I like it even better than the P226). The USP is not in any way a bad gun (quite the contrary), but as mentioned before, it feels outdated (to me) in its class of guns. The H&K P30 is the updated and more "modern" USP, however its not on the roster so expect to pay over a grand for it if you find one.

The USP's recoil spring system is also one of those advantages/disadvantages depending on user. It does have a lower perceived recoil.. but it achieves this by slowing the cycle so the recoil is spread through a longer period. For me, it made reacquiring targets slower.

For what its worth, my USP ran 100% all the time though - can't say the same about all my P226s (guess ultimately, thats what really counts) and the lines on the slide itself are really attractive. No other gun looks meaner.. its the frame that feels outdated and unaccommodating, but maybe us American shooters are just a spoiled bunch.

Interfan
05-03-2011, 10:23 AM
The CZ is nice. If you really want a P226, get a P226. You can't go wrong with it. The BTFO is nice, the sights are decent. Sig's slides and hammers won't bit you if you are using a strong grip. If it were me, I would buy a standard p226 and spend the extra money on mags. I have a P226 Navy and love it. I shoot it more than anything else, barring carbines.

A few things to consider from my experience are:
1. Get either MecGar or Sig branded mags. Promags suck and will make a very reliable gun stumble and choke. Promags are cheap for a good reason.
2. Sig's customer service is excellent. If you have questions or problems, call them first. They will help you and they will make any issues right. An even better scenario is to buy your Sig from a dealer that is also a certified Sig armorer. This way if there is any issue or you require sight adjustments, etc. Your dealer can handle it for you. National Police Supply in Vista is this type of dealer.
3. Don't believe the internet hype about Sig's quality declining. Sig is still head and shoulders above a lot of others, even with 'Made in USA' slides and frames. German quality is excellent, but we do still know how to make something here.
4. Preventative maintenance is important. Keep your Sig lubed.

Whatever you decide, have fun with it.

luckygunner
05-03-2011, 10:29 AM
If you really want the Sig I would suggest just getting it.

I think where I and many of the other posters are falling in, is that you can get an equal quality pistol for a much lower price. My vote is for the CZ SP01. I have a couple 75s and have shot the SP01. While Sigs are nice I think they are carrying a much higher price than what they are truly worth.

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JayCo
05-03-2011, 10:55 AM
I love my M&P9.....the trigger is not the greatest but you could get the gun and the APEX trigger (Whenever its back in stock) for less than $1000.....

Ub3rDorK
05-03-2011, 11:06 AM
I like the idea of a more inexpensive comparable gun...that leaves me more money for another gun! Now I just need to go shoot some before I make my decision.

zfields
05-03-2011, 11:45 AM
If your ever up in norcal your welcome to shoot my CZ : )

Ub3rDorK
05-03-2011, 11:49 AM
If your ever up in norcal your welcome to shoot my CZ : )

much appreciated!

So what about accy's for the CZ...like grips, sights, holsters, etc?

timmy8151
05-03-2011, 12:01 PM
Check out czcustom.com for CZ parts and accessories

zfields
05-03-2011, 12:05 PM
czcustom is about it. theres also a guy on the cz forums who does much cheaper trigger jobs.

CZs are really gaining steam latley, but parts / accesories are pretty expensive and hard to find. The more end users, the more stuff comes and and the price goes down :)The out of the box gun is great though.

loose_electron
05-03-2011, 12:10 PM
I've got a P226R in SS, but the stainless are a little tough to find.
Probably my favorite pistol to shoot (see list below) My next to get is a Beretta 92FS.

Johansenk
05-03-2011, 1:52 PM
I hate that CZ's don't fit my hand at all. I hate it even more when the majority of people say they have the best ergo's. I hate it because they are great handguns, all of the ones I have shot. But they just feel wrong in my hand. Everybody is different. SIG's standard grip is perfect for me. I just wish they could stay up on QC, and not worry about stupid crap like diamond plate slides, or rainbow finishes. Forget the bs, focus on making pistols to old SIG standards "to hell and back reliability"

tacticalcity
05-03-2011, 2:02 PM
My requirements:

DA/SA



Right there is where you loose me. I am NOT a DA/SA fan. Learned the hardway that fighting both the safety and two different trigger pulls can be a nightmare in defensive shooting. As many people love them as hate them however. Some people actually shine on them. But others own them for things like brand loyalty and don't take all that hard a look at their own performance with them. At the end of the day, how well you can master it and perform with it is all that matters. Everybody is different.

The H&K USP and P2000 offer DA/SA models that can be carried cocked and locked. Allowing you to bypass the really heavy DA trigger pull. The V1 trigger pack in particular on the USP allows this. I am told CZs can do the same thing but I do not have any first hand experience with them. I do know the HK USP V1 I owned that could do this was one heck of a firearm. If I couldn't carry a Glock or 1911 then it would be my firearm of choice.

What I don't like about DA/SA Sigs, and it is pretty much the only thing I don't like about them since they are extremely well made, is that their decocker forces you to have to carry hammer down and fight the first DA trigger pull. If they could be carried cocked and locked I would love them. Since your requirement is DA/SA only I will not go into my gripes about the DAK trigger system compared to the Glock.

In any case, give the H&Ks and CZs that can be carried cocked and locked a look. You might like them. They offer more carry condition options. You may not need or want to carry cocked and locked today, but if you change your mind down the road you will have the option. It is nice to have options.

Ub3rDorK
05-03-2011, 3:14 PM
well the reason I want DA/SA is just to add to a collection i have started...2 of my handguns are SA only and one of them (technically my fiance's) is DA/SA. I figured I would have an all around full size that doesnt limit me. If that didnt matter I'd probably just pick up another XD.

I am just not a fan of the glock thats why I went for the XD. I think I've narrowed it to a Beretta 92FS, P226, and the CZ to go check out all in one range trip assuming they have all 3 to check out.

Paradiddle
05-03-2011, 3:17 PM
CZ 75 SP-01

+1million

I would dump the requirement for a rail and get the 75B. IMO best pointing 9mm save the Browning Hi-Power which is single action only.

626Tony
05-03-2011, 3:19 PM
i HAD TO SAY IT 9MM BROWNING $900 AT AMMO BROS !

Ub3rDorK
05-03-2011, 3:21 PM
sorry for my ignorance, but isnt the browning similar to the 1911 design?

bsg
05-03-2011, 3:44 PM
Buy a German or better yet W German P 226. That's cheaper than the BTFO and will spoil you for all other wonder nines.


all my Sigs are w german; current P226 is JJ (1988).

Gary13
05-03-2011, 4:06 PM
I have both the SP01 and USP. For flexibility, the USP is great due to DA/SA, decocker, and locked and cocked. The SP01 is DA/SA with the option of locked and cocked, but no decocker. Both great guns.

I also have SA(1911) and stricker fired(XD).

I like the 226, but don't own one, yet. The few times I have shot one I have not been very accurate with them. I did shoot a P6 and really liked it and was accurate.

Good luck.

PandaLuv
05-03-2011, 4:48 PM
p226,

atsaubrey
05-03-2011, 4:53 PM
I know almost nothing about handguns but just picked up a Sig P2022...just felt right compared to the Glocks, S&W and Springfield. I have not read a sinlge review about it that was negative. Got mine locally for $500, better deals out there online that i've seen. There is my .002 cents....since I know nothing.

chadd446
05-03-2011, 4:57 PM
BTFO has better sights than anything else listed, it comes with four mags and its a Sig. Problem solved.

Ub3rDorK
05-03-2011, 4:59 PM
I like the 2022 but I got an XD instead.

The BTFO is awesome because it's not much more for all the extras you get.

sammy
05-03-2011, 5:03 PM
If you must have a gun in DA/SA my vote would be for a HK P2000. I own one with around 2000-3000 rounds through it and has never had a failure of any kind. Now that i think about it all of the HK pistols I own have never had a failure. I can't say that about any other pistols other than my S&W 3914 & 1006 but they have fairly light round counts.

gobi fish
05-03-2011, 7:00 PM
hk usp sd

ya gotta love that sweet *** hk match trigger!

Breadfan
05-03-2011, 9:06 PM
xdm

sammy
05-03-2011, 9:07 PM
hk usp sd

ya gotta love that sweet *** hk match trigger!

You have not fired a decent 1911. My USP Expert trigger sucks. Great for an HK but not even good compared to most makes. What are you shooting. What kind of groups are you getting? Just curious.

deldgeetar
05-03-2011, 10:32 PM
HK P2000. I have the V3 DA/SA with decocker. LOVE it. Also love the CZ-75 and Hi-Power. Can't go wrong with any of those!

SpectreZ91
05-03-2011, 10:42 PM
Beretta M9A1 meets those criteria. I pick mine up Thursday. :D

+1

And I pick mine up on Monday. ;)

Ub3rDorK
05-03-2011, 10:44 PM
I think the 92fs innox is sexy

GW
05-03-2011, 10:50 PM
CZ-75
Runs about $580

Saym14
05-03-2011, 11:02 PM
hk P30

biloutkast
05-03-2011, 11:05 PM
P226 or CZ

Tiberius
05-03-2011, 11:05 PM
C'mon, the poor guy is trying to spend a grand and lots of these guns are about half that. What's he to do, buy ammo with the rest?

Maybe an H-K USP in 9?

Gryff
05-03-2011, 11:22 PM
CZ SP-01

gobi fish
05-04-2011, 1:30 AM
You have not fired a decent 1911. My USP Expert trigger sucks. Great for an HK but not even good compared to most makes. What are you shooting. What kind of groups are you getting? Just curious.

I have shot a few custom 1911's in the thousands of dollars as well as Match trigger Hk's and the HK's are just as good if not better then some the 1911's! You should have your HK looked at by an armor cuz it sounds like something aint right! with my HK, I can put 2 bullets thru the same hole at 7 yards. Mines is a .45acp though.

Moto4Fun
05-04-2011, 9:55 AM
I own a number of Sigs and have always loved them. That being said, I recently shot my buddy's USP9 and USP45c, and I shot very well with them. It would take some getting used to because they felt different, and the safety and DA/SA operation would take some training to perfect whichever method I chose to use it in; but right off the bat, I was very accurate and quick with both of them. I have handle (not shot) the HK45 and it felt like a dream! I have heard that the p30 is similar but in 9mm and I read a review from a guy that did a year long test with one and it was all positive. If you have $1000 to spend to make a good addition to your collection, a nice p226 or HK would certainly be a good option.

Ub3rDorK
05-04-2011, 11:53 AM
C'mon, the poor guy is trying to spend a grand and lots of these guns are about half that. What's he to do, buy ammo with the rest?

Maybe an H-K USP in 9?

well $1000 is my limit...if I could get something around $600 that would be a plus...then I could fund another AR project haha or heck buy a 2nd pistol

EscalonShooter
05-04-2011, 11:48 PM
OK....We all know opinions on guns are about as varied as the individual who does the shooting....everyone has developed favorites....I know I have mine.....I have shot mainly 9mm over the last several years....Here's my input on 9mm:
1. Glock - Had one or two and sold them all - First, they did not eat marginal ammo(jammed a lot, prob due to a heavier recoil spring) and tended to jam if you were the least bit limp wristed. I will not buy another Glock 9mm
2. Sig's - Great guns - Prob I have with them is same as Glock - Marginal ammo and they tend to jam and not be very happy.....Plus it seems you need to be more attentive to maintenance.....
3. S&W 6946 - This is a DAO 9mm - Like it...Eats any ammo I feed it but not my favorite
4. Hi Point(Yes I said Hi Point) - Not the prettiest girl at the prom, goofy looking and very weird to shoot, BUT she is accurate, eats anything I feed her, rarely jams and seems to require very little maintenance
5. FN & HK - No Comment. I have never shot either gun
6. SpringField XD-9 - Little fussy with the ammo she is fed - Does not like lighter 9mm ammo - Fun to shoot and I like both the look and feel
7. Beretta Model 92(or a variant) - In use by military and polices forces globally in huge numbers - I absolutely love mine - I read somewhere that the barrel is good for in excess of 75k rounds. - My Beretta 92 eats damn near anything I feed it(and I have fed her some pretty crappy low power reloads), I have never had a jamming problem - She has been dropped(by accident), even had dirt in her(from when I field stripped at the range one time and accidently got knocked off the table and into the dirt), wiped the gun off, reassembled and continued to shoot with no problems. - Result: I LOVE my Beretta. I THINK everyone should own a Beretta Model 92 if you want a gun to last a lifetime.
8. CZ-75B - As much as I like my Beretta, my nickel CZ-75 is my BABY!!! I have read that the CZ-75 is considered to be one of the best combat handguns available in 9mm. My CZ has all the same reliability characteristics as the Beretta. The biggest difference for me is that the CZ seems to be a little more accurate than the Beretta. I am not even sure if I actually have to clean or lube either my Beretta or CZ. Both have somewhere around 8k rounds a piece and I have never had a problem given the periodic cleaning and lube I do.

If I had to chose one gun that fits the criteria that the OP posted, hands down it would be either the Beretta 92(or a model 92 variant) OR the CZ. They are both super reliable, well made, reasonably accurate and most importantly(at least to me) they go BANG!!! every time I pull the trigger(even on the crappiest ammo).

Sunday
05-05-2011, 6:36 AM
Sig????? XD or Glock, half the price and twice as good.

gorenut
05-05-2011, 9:11 AM
Wow Escalon.. you must have the worst luck of anyone I know. Never seen anyone with so many guns having finicky ammo problems.

jermzzzzzzz
05-05-2011, 9:19 AM
Sig????? XD or Glock, half the price and twice as good.

DOUBT IT!

J.D.Allen
05-05-2011, 10:26 AM
+1million

I would dump the requirement for a rail and get the 75B. IMO best pointing 9mm save the Browning Hi-Power which is single action only.

Well there is a SAO version of the 75B and that trigger is a beauty. They can be had for under 500 bones before transfer and all that. One of the best all around options in my opinion. I found a guy that makes a bushing to replace the right side ambi safety lever that fits completely flush. This pistol is my EDC, and its great! :thumbsup:

gorenut
05-05-2011, 10:30 AM
Sig????? XD or Glock, half the price and twice as good.

I think "just as good" would be more appropriate. Of course it'd all depend on the operator.

Ub3rDorK
05-05-2011, 2:20 PM
Sig????? XD or Glock, half the price and twice as good.

I really don't agree with this.

1 SIG fan
05-05-2011, 2:26 PM
^--I agree that I don't agree!

Ub3rDorK
05-05-2011, 2:28 PM
I mean sure my xd is awesome but without trigger mods and accuracy differences I can't say it's better than a sig. Plus being not sa/da it's a whole different gun.

duc748bip
05-05-2011, 2:35 PM
well $1000 is my limit...if I could get something around $600 that would be a plus...then I could fund another AR project haha or heck buy a 2nd pistol
If under 600 will be a plus... then alot of replies you get will be Glock or XD. but since you say must be DA/SA maybe a PD trade in SIG or 92FS.

camron882
05-06-2011, 9:46 AM
dont know if it was mentioned but i have a walther p99 AS 9mm and it is great. Heavy trigger but a really well made gun for $600-800 bucks before fees.

camron882
05-06-2011, 9:47 AM
waltehr p99, love mine

+1, first gun i ever bought and i aint ever sellin it

Timbob55
05-06-2011, 10:50 AM
+1 on the CZ sp-01

Johansenk
05-06-2011, 10:53 AM
Look for a Police trade in P228. I'm surprised nobody has said this. Miss mine every day. Damn economy :(

placergold1
05-09-2011, 4:32 PM
I'd go with the CZ pistols. They are a great value, durable, comfortable, reliable. When I take a 9mm to the range it is usually the CZ in my bag. Also CZ makes the fantastic Kadet .22 conversion kit that offers inexpensive practice with a top quality sights and operation using the exact same frame/trigger that your used to.

Donnovin
05-09-2011, 5:24 PM
+1 on the P226R SS (stainless). Runs a bit more than $900 if you can find one in stock. The frame is german stainless resulting in a heavier gun that shoots 9mm smooth as butter. Double taps are spot on.

The BTFO has front serrations on the slide, but I have never had an issue racking at any point along the slide, front, middle, back, no problem. I have several thousand rounds through mine and have never had a FTF or FTE.

Hoot951
05-09-2011, 6:11 PM
My choice would be a Glock 19 only on the fact of weight (for when your gonna carry it) and accesories. I know everyone likes the CZ SP01 but my cousin been looking for one in SO-CAL for months now but to no avail and parts and accesories are very limited. Dont get me wrong I love CZ I own a CZ P01 but I cant easlily walk into a gun shop and buy a extra mag like I would with a Glock. Sigs are good guns too (owned one last year) but I dont like the price tag and the finish on the slide it doesn't handle holstering well.