View Full Version : Italian Kassnar Defender .25

05-01-2011, 11:05 AM
Hey guys , do you have any info on this pistol ? I cannot find any info or pictures , but from the description I think its a mouse gun that resembles the 1908 that I saw on consigment YEARS ago. I really like mouse guns ( for collecting porpuses ) and found one of sale out of state fairly cheap.

Main question , These arent on the roster , and I believe these where made in the early 60's. Any way to check if these are C&R or some how exempt to be shipped from out of state ? Much appreciated. I am not LEO or Roster exempt.

05-01-2011, 3:27 PM
OK, here's what I found.

It's not on the C&R list. You would need to date it to see if it is over 50 years old.

I found no pictures.

On Numrich's website they so a slide replacement that is made by FN. I'm not saying this is a Baby clone; but, it could be.


05-01-2011, 3:56 PM
Gotcha, thank you. That slide looks alot like a 1908 so it might be the pistol im talking about! The C&R rules applies to handguns as well in regards to having to be over 50 years ? I though that only applied to rifles and for handguns they had to be federally entered into the C&R list.

05-01-2011, 4:13 PM
It doesn't matter what kind of weapon it is. If it's on the Federal C&R list it could be 2 days old and it would be roster exempt.

If it is not on the federal C&R list it can still be classified as a C&R if it is older than 50 years old.

If it is not 50 years old it can still be classified a C&R if it gains most of it's value buy being limited, unusual or associated with some historic place, person or event.

05-01-2011, 4:49 PM
Well noted, Once I get pictures I am going to try find any date codes and hope the gun was made in 61' Lol. Thanks for the in put.

05-01-2011, 4:50 PM
Here's better info on C&R's for you.

Firearms Curios or Relics List

A regulation implementing Federal firearms laws, 27 CFR Section 478.11, defines C&R firearms as those "which are of special interest to collectors by reason of some quality other than is associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons."

To be recognized as C&R items, 478.11 specifies that firearms must fall within one of the following categories:

A) Firearms which were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas of such firearms;
B) Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and
C) Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event.

Firearms automatically attain C&R status when they are 50 years old. Any firearm that is at least 50 years old, and in its original configuration, would qualify as a C&R firearm. It is not necessary for such firearms to be listed in ATF’s C&R list. Therefore, ATF does not generally list firearms in the C&R publication by virtue of their age. However, if you wish for a classification of your particular firearm under categories (b) or (c) above and wish your item to be listed, you may submit the weapon to the Firearms Technology Branch (FTB) for a formal classification.

Please note that firearms regulated under the National Firearms Act (NFA) may be classified as C&R items, but still may be subject to the provisions of the NFA. If your C&R item is an NFA firearm (e.g., Winchester Trappers) and you desire removal from the NFA status, you must submit it to FTB for evaluation and a formal classification.