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plumbum
04-30-2011, 8:44 PM
Are there any?

I don't see myself dragging a rifle around in this manner, and it doesn't seem to allow much flexibility for scope mounting. The idea of iron sights is really great, but that can also be added onto a standard rail. In looking at what people are putting together, it doesn't seem to have much of a following, but it seems to be included in a lot of uppers.

P.S. on a side note, has anyone tried those little 4x28 scopes that mount to a carry handle? They always seem like a cheap way to milk a little extra range for those of us who are open-sight deficient.

Cokebottle
04-30-2011, 8:53 PM
Are there any?
Nope.
P.S. on a side note, has anyone tried those little 4x28 scopes that mount to a carry handle? They always seem like a cheap way to milk a little extra range for those of us who are open-sight deficient.The optic is too far above the bore axis.

There's a reason that the A4 has a flat top receiver.

The carry handle was never intended to be a carry handle, and recruits find that out the hard way from their DI when they use it as such.
The initial prototypes of the M16 had a "trigger" style charging handle on the top of the receiver. The "carry handle" was simply an open shroud to protect it from damage (and to keep it from damaging things).
Cost being king, when the wedge style charging handle was adapted to the actual production version, the "carry handle" was left, as it was also the RSB, there was no need to make a change that major to the tooling.

a1fabweld
04-30-2011, 8:57 PM
There's something sexy about a carry handle though!

plumbum
04-30-2011, 8:58 PM
Now that you mention I do remember seeing pictures of upside-down triggers sticking out into the carry handle!

Cokebottle
04-30-2011, 9:11 PM
Now that you mention I do remember seeing pictures of upside-down triggers sticking out into the carry handle!
Ya, those were pre-production receivers. I don't know if any were actually issued to GIs or not, but there never were very many of them.

http://pullig.dyndns.org/retroblackrifle/sitebuilder/images/Proto000001-600x174.jpg

jdouglas
04-30-2011, 9:16 PM
Yeah, the carry handle doesn't seem to serve much purpose. It gives an AR that classic look though, which is why I'm planning on getting one. ;-)

dieselpower
04-30-2011, 9:21 PM
Ya, those were pre-production receivers. I don't know if any were actually issued to GIs or not, but there never were very many of them.

http://pullig.dyndns.org/retroblackrifle/sitebuilder/images/Proto000001-600x174.jpg

there was a request to a manufacture to do it as a mod to the upper. I think it was CMMG. Never heard another thing about it. The limited market probably made the mod too expensive.

Pred@tor
04-30-2011, 9:23 PM
Theres a whole dedicated form to these on ar15.com The A2 forum :D

Norsemen308
04-30-2011, 9:23 PM
if you get a carry handle and plan on putting a scope on, just beware you need the lazer bore sighter, classic bore sighters will not work. I am having a hell of a time helping a buddy with his. he has a a4 rail gun with the bolt on rail, then with a bolt on scope adapter, and then the scope, so you have 2 friggin points of contact that can wiggle by just the slightest about... its zero'd in and doing well but it seems like every time he takes it out of the case its off by a few windage and elevation...

leoffensive
04-30-2011, 10:34 PM
lol i carry my ar by the carry handle lol never had any issues

Droppin Deuces
04-30-2011, 10:49 PM
Bam. Secks.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/doghair/IMG_2701BW.jpg

wash
05-01-2011, 12:00 AM
Bolt on carry handles are pretty lame, you have to have little girl fingers to use it as a handle.

I guess that's ok when you are carrying it like a purse.

But really it's just there for the rear sight and there are plenty of nice rear sights that don't have a handle on it.

TheDeej
05-01-2011, 12:05 AM
LMT Tactical Rear Sight, same sight picture, more rail space to go around.

Droppin Deuces
05-01-2011, 12:12 AM
Bolt on carry handles are pretty lame, you have to have little girl fingers to use it as a handle.

I guess that's ok when you are carrying it like a purse.

But really it's just there for the rear sight and there are plenty of nice rear sights that don't have a handle on it.

My brief case has a carry handle. Purses have slings. Doesn't yours?:eek:

MrPlink
05-01-2011, 12:59 AM
What is the point of the removable carry handle? Why do it at all as opposed to other types of irons (such as the LMT, which I love)?
I have one, but honestly its just because I love the way they look. Outside of that, Im not sure why anybody would actually prefer one, even if you arent using other optics.

cali_armz
05-01-2011, 1:02 AM
i like the carry handle on my AR, if for no other reason than it just looks cool.

i also like the idea of mounting a scope above the carry handle so you can either use the iron sights or the scope.

jeffrice6
05-01-2011, 1:26 AM
I love flat tops with the carry handle!!! Every AR I've had without a scope has been setup in this manner.... I dig the utility as well as the form! I think the sights are safer/ stronger as opposed to BUIS. My personal preference, but thats why I also go flat top.... Case i change my mind.

IPSICK
05-01-2011, 1:46 AM
I thought I remember reading that the non-carry handle LMT iron sight was not s stable as the carry handle version. I think it was because of two attachment points versus one.

The DPMS Rear Iron Sight has two attachment screws but the elevation dial is exposed to the rear.

m1a1driver
05-01-2011, 1:53 AM
the only real advantage I can see is in the "dissipator" setup. Where you have the full length handguards and the same sight radius as the 20" rifle but with a 16" barrel. Those were designed to be used with the A2 handle and iron sights.

General Urko
05-01-2011, 2:15 AM
Lightweight mil spec purpose built humping the boonies early original blend for me. My eyes work fine.. don't need a lumpy junk magnet that weighs more than I do... I don't sit in chairs and shoot at paper. The handle is good when you have to get moving with it as it was intended for.
Its a tool, not a toy.

WW2Buff
05-01-2011, 2:16 AM
Nostalgia. That's coming from a guy who takes a carry handle over other sight options any day of the week.

ETA: I actually use mine as a handle! :eek:

BRUNO1911
05-01-2011, 8:23 AM
Lightweight mil spec purpose built humping the boonies, "Its a tool, not a toy"

Amen Brother :cool:

supersonic
05-01-2011, 8:45 AM
Yes. They are BADASS. And there is a reason highpower service rifle shooters all use them.;)

Here's my pre-production ( pre-Agile prototype) clone:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb181/giftedgiver/DSCN0373.jpg

SuperSet
05-01-2011, 8:48 AM
One advantage is that if you plop a small scope like a Compact ACOG on the carry handle, you can switch to irons immediately by simply changing your cheekweld without having to futz around with flip-ups.

donw
05-01-2011, 8:50 AM
I love flat tops with the carry handle!!! Every AR I've had without a scope has been setup in this manner.... I dig the utility as well as the form! I think the sights are safer/ stronger as opposed to BUIS. My personal preference, but thats why I also go flat top.... Case i change my mind.

+1

if i want to mount optics...i simply remove the carry handle...

docsmileyface
05-01-2011, 8:57 AM
Carry handle has more precise adjustments than most BUIS.

evidens83
05-01-2011, 9:22 AM
Carry handles look clean!

r6raff
05-01-2011, 9:37 AM
I think they look cool and represent the dawning of a new era of weaponry, besides that i'm not a fan of the Carry Handle. If I ever come across one of the first gen uppers where the CH is the trigger type I will buy the crap out of it... However, I have never even seen one, let alone been in a position to buy one, so im not holding my breath

Full Clip
05-01-2011, 10:10 AM
I got this upper in a trade and was not too keen on the carry handle at first. Great match with he Micro though, and the irons setup is fine. I'd go flattop if I was to get another as there are many more setup options, but this is great.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-3/981624/ARx39-Carbine-1.gif.jpg

The Undertaker
05-01-2011, 11:41 AM
I've always found the "channel" on top of the carrying handle helpful in quickly lining up an accurate shot using the iron sights... I guess it helps by immediately guiding the shooter's eye down to the front sight.

killshot44
05-01-2011, 1:10 PM
http://i878.photobucket.com/albums/ab348/Killshot44_bucket/carryh1-2.jpg

Muzzle down, obviously a professional.
(is that a plate-carrier or a life-preserver?)

http://i878.photobucket.com/albums/ab348/Killshot44_bucket/scopedAR.jpg

Carry-Handles; nothing is more versatile.......
(all kinds of wrong happening here)

:43::43::43:

BigfootHunter
05-01-2011, 1:14 PM
Not a fan of the bolt on handles, but I love my regular carry handle upper - LAR Grizzly had blems on special not to long ago (may still have some?), anyway, here's mine:

http://teambigfoothunter.com/145ltwt_2.jpg

C.W.M.V.
05-01-2011, 1:16 PM
I got this upper in a trade and was not too keen on the carry handle at first. Great match with he Micro though, and the irons setup is fine. I'd go flattop if I was to get another as there are many more setup options, but this is great.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-3/981624/ARx39-Carbine-1.gif.jpg

Hey whats that mount that your optic is sitting on? I need one of these.

TheDeej
05-01-2011, 1:22 PM
This thread is starting to stir up those "I want a carry handle" feelings.

Full Clip
05-01-2011, 1:23 PM
Hey whats that mount that your optic is sitting on? I need one of these.

It's just a KZ carry handle mount. (http://www.botachtactical.com/kzaimisehtmo.html) Got it as part of a combo deal with the Aimpoint and it has worked fine.

Merc1138
05-01-2011, 1:47 PM
Carry handle has more precise adjustments than most BUIS.

You can get iron sights that aren't flipups and have as much precision as a carry handle but weigh less with less bulk.

Lightweight mil spec purpose built humping the boonies early original blend for me. My eyes work fine.. don't need a lumpy junk magnet that weighs more than I do... I don't sit in chairs and shoot at paper. The handle is good when you have to get moving with it as it was intended for.
Its a tool, not a toy.

It wasn't intended to be a carry handle... that's why the rifle has sling swivels.

TheDeej
05-01-2011, 1:59 PM
You can get iron sights that aren't flipups and have as much precision as a carry handle but weigh less with less bulk.


I have found the LMT but that is it so far. I have a matech but that is only good if you're using ammo with the ballistics it was designed for. I've got a cmmg .22 upper on the way and want good irons for it, is there an alternative to the LMT? The upper on the way has an F-marked FSB.

rattlesnake_nm
05-01-2011, 2:01 PM
Hey whats that mount that your optic is sitting on? I need one of these.

Not a fan of the bolt on handles, but I love my regular carry handle upper - LAR Grizzly had blems on special not to long ago (may still have some?), anyway, here's mine:

http://teambigfoothunter.com/145ltwt_2.jpg

What magwell grips are those? They look useful.

Merc1138
05-01-2011, 2:07 PM
I have found the LMT but that is it so far. I have a matech but that is only good if you're using ammo with the ballistics it was designed for. I've got a cmmg .22 upper on the way and want good irons for it, is there an alternative to the LMT? The upper on the way has an F-marked FSB.

YHM and RRA are other options off the top of my head. Call 'em and find out if they work with an F marked FSB.

C.W.M.V.
05-01-2011, 2:16 PM
It's just a KZ carry handle mount. (http://www.botachtactical.com/kzaimisehtmo.html) Got it as part of a combo deal with the Aimpoint and it has worked fine.

Thanks will probably throw this on my A1.:thumbsup:

supersonic
05-01-2011, 2:39 PM
This thread inspired me to go out and take some pics of my Highpower Service Rifle I recently finished building.

-RRA LAR-15 lower w/ Jewell Trigger; A2 stock & SPR Adjustable Buttplate
-ArmaLite NMA2 Upper w/ Lothar Walther 1/8 SS BBL; LBC-Young NM BC w/ Colt G.I.Bolt; Compass Lake NMA2 rear sight.
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb181/giftedgiver/DSCN0602.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb181/giftedgiver/DSCN0603.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb181/giftedgiver/DSCN0604.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb181/giftedgiver/DSCN0605.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb181/giftedgiver/DSCN0606.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb181/giftedgiver/DSCN0607.jpg

ant71992
05-01-2011, 2:42 PM
I see the carrying handle like the mag on the AK, it just gives it that distinct look. Im purchasing an AR soon and def want one on mine.

BigfootHunter
05-01-2011, 4:10 PM
The mag grip is a sixell neverquit grip, I bought it on clearance from lapolicegear.com they were like $15, and I figured what the heck if nothing else it will break up the black of theower/upper with some brown. Matches pretty good with the Magpul FDE ( I think get call it "sand" or something). I like the width it adds to the magwell. I'm actually thinking about ditching the forward grip as I really only use it as a reference point.

plumbum
05-01-2011, 4:58 PM
I see the carrying handle like the mag on the AK, it just gives it that distinct look. Im purchasing an AR soon and def want one on mine.

In looking at the pictures posted, it just doesn't look right without one now!

mlevans66
05-01-2011, 7:36 PM
My brief case has a carry handle. Purses have slings. Doesn't yours?:eek:

Haaaaaa! +1! :rofl: