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DarkKro
04-25-2011, 12:10 AM
For duty carry?

cali_armz
04-25-2011, 12:29 AM
For duty carry?

im thinking G17 because then you can have higher capacity mags. if its a duty carry weapon, the more rounds you have in your mag, the better

cali_armz
04-25-2011, 12:34 AM
you know, its too bad you cant carry a romanian draco as your on duty side arm. that would be cooler than a glock

DannyZRC
04-25-2011, 1:02 AM
none of the above. :p

TenSeven
04-25-2011, 1:39 AM
For duty carry?

none of the above. :p


Indeed.

For Duty Carry,

Glock 31

The 357Sig has every ballistic advantage over the 9, 40, and 45.

If you can, Use it!

giants_fan24
04-25-2011, 6:42 AM
I haven't heard alot of good things about the 4th gen. I haven't fired one myself yet tho but I would agree with TenSeven the 357Sig is a better round.

Sydwaiz
04-25-2011, 6:43 AM
M&P :p

locosway
04-25-2011, 6:54 AM
.357sig/10mm if someone else is footing the ammo bill, or they're acceptable for duty use. If not, then the G17 for it's light weight and high round count.

Shenaniguns
04-25-2011, 7:49 AM
I don't like .40 personally but the .40 4th Gen Glocks tend to be more reliable than the 9mm's right now.

locosway
04-25-2011, 7:49 AM
I don't like .40 personally but the .40 4th Gen Glocks tend to be more reliable than the 9mm's right now.

You have a source to back this up?

den888
04-25-2011, 7:49 AM
G23, then get a 9mm conversion barrel to shoot both .40S&W and 9mm.

Shenaniguns
04-25-2011, 7:50 AM
You have a source to back this up?


Uh I've listed plenty before, is this a challenge? :43:

gorenut
04-25-2011, 7:51 AM
I don't like .40 personally but the .40 4th Gen Glocks tend to be more reliable than the 9mm's right now.

I've heard the same, but was wondering if there has been a sizable amount with this issue (mainly extraction problems) or if its all just hearsay/internet rumors blown out of proportions.

locosway
04-25-2011, 7:52 AM
Uh I've listed plenty before, is this a challenge? :43:

A challenge? No, it's a question. I see people say that the first batch of Gen4 Glocks had issues, but it's been corrected. I haven't seen anything other than a couple forum posts about it from various people who heard it from someone else.

Cali-Shooter
04-25-2011, 7:54 AM
The 17 is beating out everything else.

CAglock20c
04-25-2011, 8:18 AM
glock 20 ftw!

Shenaniguns
04-25-2011, 8:26 AM
I've heard the same, but was wondering if there has been a sizable amount with this issue (mainly extraction problems) or if its all just hearsay/internet rumors blown out of proportions.


A challenge? No, it's a question. I see people say that the first batch of Gen4 Glocks had issues, but it's been corrected. I haven't seen anything other than a couple forum posts about it from various people who heard it from someone else.


I do not believe the bugs are worked out of them yet, the first smaller frame Glocks were designed around 9mm and were reliable in 9mm with problems in .357 and .40. The Gen 4 was designed around .40 and is now having intermittent extraction problems with the 9mm models that are being diagnosed heavily by Todd Green and people on his forum who shoot alot (500-1000+ a week). The problems are possibly related to the extractor, ejector and/or recoil assembly.

Todd Green will probably have the highest round privately owned Gen 4 Glock http://pistol-training.com/archives/4695
http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?346-pistol-training.com-2011-Endurance-Test-Gun

Showing some of the different numbered and shaped extractors:
http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?571-Gen4-19-The-problems-have-started-....

There are 14 pages of status reports of good and bad with various Gen 4 models here:
http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=69328&highlight=vickers

Interesting reading from Glocktalk who is as Pro-Glock as they get:

A small sample of these people have had extraction problems here
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1337583

The endurance test on GT
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=17222341#post17222341

All the recoil assemblies available which looks to me as Glock is hoping a lighter recoil assembly may fix the problem for most problematic guns, and why did they add a counterbore to the slide so soon after being released? IMO, they're still chasing what ever problems that are popping up as round counts rise.

GLOCK RECOIL SPRING ASSEMBLY (RSA) PART NUMBERS FOR GEN4 PISTOLS
11-20-10 - Glock now offers 6 different Gen4 RSAs for our Gen4 pistols

1st Model Gen4 G17 serial # prefixes prior to but not including “PUN”
NOT-COUNTERBORED
(still current & in production now, on into 2011)

· SP 08692 – RSA for “Variant 1” Gen4 17 with flat-back slide-nose-ring.
· Use in Gen4 G17 pistols serial # prefixes “PFB, PMN, PMP, PMR, PMS, PPM, PPP, PPR, PPS”, etc.
· For all Gen4 G17 serial # prefixes prior to but not including “PUN”.
· SP 08692 is marked on the rear flange: “0 2 1”


2nd Model Gen4 G17 serial # prefix “PUN” & later, & all Gen4 G34 pistols
COUNTERBORED

· SP 08284 – RSA for “Variant 2” Gen4 G17 & G34 that have a “chamfer” or “counterbore” around the
nose-ring-hole inside the slide (like a G26 or G27).
· Use in Gen4 G17 pistols with serial # prefix “PUN” & later, & all Gen4 G34 pistols.
· NOTE: One small batch of serial # prefix “PUN” Gen4 G17 pistols was run for the commercial market (not
LE), to test the new SP 08284 RSA for Gen4 G17 & Gen4 G34 pistols.
· “Variant 2” Gen4 G17 pistols are not currently in production as of 1120-18-10.

· Do NOT use the SP 08284 in Gen4 G17 pistols with serial #s prior to “PUN”.
· SP 08284 is marked on the rear flange: “0 2”


1st model Gen4 G22 & Gen4 G37 serial # prefixes prior to but not including “PUN”
NOT-COUNTERBORED

· SP 08694 – RSA for “Variant 1” Gen4 22 & Gen4 G37 with flat-back slide-nose-ring.
· Use in Gen4 G22 & Gen4 G37 with serial # prefix “PCG” & other serial # prefixes prior to “PUN”.
· SP 08694 is marked on the rear flange: “0 1 1”


2nd model Gen4 G22 & Gen4 G37, & all Gen4 G31 & Gen4 G35 models # prefix “PUN” & later, & all Gen4 G31 & G35 pistols
COUNTERBORED


· SP 07577 – RSA for “Variant 2” Gen4 G22 & Gen4 G37 pistols that have a “chamfer” or “counterbore”
around the nose-ring-hole inside the slide (like a G26 or G27), & all Gen4 G31
& Gen4 G35.

· Use in Gen4 G22 & Gen4 G37 with serial # prefix PUN & later, & all Gen4 G31 & Gen4 G35 models.

· Do NOT use the SP 07577 in Gen4 G22 & Gen4 G37 pistols with serial #s prior to “PUN”.
· SP 07577 is marked on the rear flange: - “0 1”


ALL Gen4 G19

· SP 08703 – RSA for all Gen4 G19 pistols.
· Standard on all G19s beginning with serial # prefix “RCY” on 11-03-10.
· Available as Spare Parts about 11-20-10.
· SP 08703 is marked on the rear flange: “0 4”





IMO I'd wait until more bugs are worked out before buying one personally, with the M&P I knew there were still a few bugs even after being out about 5 years but I knew what the fixes were.

hybridatsun350
04-25-2011, 8:57 AM
I voted 17 only because the 34 was not an option. If I could pick? Gen-3 Glock 34

JayBeeJay
04-25-2011, 9:11 AM
you know, its too bad you cant carry a romanian draco as your on duty side arm. that would be cooler than a glock

Your joking right? I got 2 Draco's and I would never think about using them for a on duty side arm. Those are simply range toys to me and not much more than that.

I would go with either the 19 or 23. Which ever caliber you prefer.

Gryff
04-25-2011, 9:40 AM
Gen 1 or 2 G17 or a Gen 3 G34.

Ubermcoupe
04-25-2011, 10:19 AM
Partial to a .40. and the correct answer would have been the glock OD **** :D

tbhracing
04-25-2011, 10:23 AM
Duty gun for me- G17, 3RD GENERATION!

HUTCH 7.62
04-25-2011, 10:23 AM
I would pick the XD-40, but the G-17 can accept 'Brady certified' assault clips which until recently adds to it's coolness

duc748bip
04-25-2011, 10:38 AM
Of the four I picked 22 since someone else will be pay :D ... well i actually mean you might have to shoot through barrier so larger cal is better.

cali_armz
04-25-2011, 1:31 PM
Your joking right? I got 2 Draco's and I would never think about using them for a on duty side arm. Those are simply range toys to me and not much more than that.

I would go with either the 19 or 23. Which ever caliber you prefer.

why do you say that? i was under the impression that dracos were incredibly reliable. maybe a little impractical, especially for a side arm, but the power they pack is still pretty good.

NSR500
04-25-2011, 1:38 PM
Glock 21SF

Jimmy310
04-25-2011, 2:01 PM
You have a source to back this up?

If you check youtube, many gen4 g17/19 has problems with stovepipes/fte's/etc. The gen 4 22/23 do not. Hopefully everythings fixed by now.

DannyZRC
04-25-2011, 2:21 PM
none of the above. :p

To further expand;

I'm not alone in thinking/advocating that a manual safety is a good feature for an openly carried duty gun.

I'm also a fan of the DA/SA platform (far less universal support for this, clearly ;))

If you want a good duty gun, it's hard to beat a full size M&P with a thumb safety, in .40 if you can't shoot 9 any better (and 9 if you can shoot it better than .40).

For DA/SA leaning folks, There are Berettas and HKs that have both decockers and safeties.

KIDRR
04-25-2011, 3:02 PM
3rd gen G20SF>G21SF>G17>G22

c20rj
04-25-2011, 3:11 PM
G20......

RealBarber
04-25-2011, 3:52 PM
Glock 21SF

angelina
04-25-2011, 4:03 PM
Your joking right? I got 2 Draco's and I would never think about using them for a on duty side arm. Those are simply range toys to me and not much more than that.

I would go with either the 19 or 23. Which ever caliber you prefer.

I love 19's

djeddiebear
04-25-2011, 8:34 PM
I say 19.

FUBAR
04-25-2011, 8:36 PM
G19 but a Gen4 G34 would be nice.

HCz
04-25-2011, 9:58 PM
I don't like .40 personally but the .40 4th Gen Glocks tend to be more reliable than the 9mm's right now.

+1 Glock got it right with Gen4 for .40SW versions, but doesn't seem so with 9mm versions.

SinisterBud
04-25-2011, 10:11 PM
gen3 23

GW
04-25-2011, 11:00 PM
Model 22 gets my vote I've had mine since '91 and I have Gen 3 G-22's as well That gun/caliber is just a very good fit for me.

Roddd
04-26-2011, 1:39 AM
My patrol and off duty gun is a Glock 21. I have thousands of rounds through it and it runs like a top. If you're lookin for a .40, I have nothing but good things to say about the G34. I love mine, it's well balanced and that longer sight radius makes the thing a tack driver. But the G21 is definitely my favorite. 13 + 1 .45 is comforting when you're contacting dirtbags at 3 a.m.

Shenaniguns
04-26-2011, 5:01 AM
Roddd, the G34 is 9mm so you probably mean the G35.

zfields
04-26-2011, 5:26 AM
19 RTF2

7anthony7
04-26-2011, 9:38 PM
Whatever you shoot better with and feels more comfortable. I have a Gen 4 17 and have fired about 3k rounds through it. I have no clue where the other poster listed FTE and stove pipes. I have read up on issues and have been to Glocks Armorer class. The Gen 4 has had issues, like any new model will. The Gen 3 does as well, especially the compact 40 with a tac light that isn't Glock. Find the one you shoot the best with that your department will let you carry.

peter95
04-26-2011, 9:40 PM
For Duty Carry, G22
For Conceal Carry, G23

ceasefire15
05-15-2011, 9:09 PM
gen3 23

+1 Glock 23 OD

davek8s
05-15-2011, 9:23 PM
Glock 22

Prophet
05-16-2011, 6:42 AM
I would go with the 19 or 23.

West coast
05-16-2011, 7:47 AM
For duty?? GLOCK 22

Penguin4091
05-16-2011, 8:07 AM
Desert Eagle 50AE :rofl: but seriously Glock 17, you get capacity and easy recoil control for fast followup shots. Plus ammo is cheap but if you don't have to pay for ammo that really doesn't matter.

Lumpia is sarap!®
05-16-2011, 8:15 AM
+1 Glock 23 OD

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/Gregdog/Pin%20Ups/NewG23007.jpg

knucklez
05-16-2011, 9:01 AM
gen3 g17.

tacticalcity
05-16-2011, 9:06 AM
I voted for 17. Odds are it will fit your hand better. It certainly does mine and I don't have the biggest hands in the world. The finger grooves on the 19 are too close together. Also the grip area is rather small. I notice during 8 hour training days my hand would start to creep up the grip because the surface area was so small and uncomfortable and I would get slide bite. Stings a little, doesn't exactly hurt. But with the 17's larger grip surface area it doesn't happen...at least not to me.

daybreak
05-16-2011, 9:10 AM
g17, agreed with the above poster about the g19's finger grooves. I wish it was the g19 was a quarter inch longer in the grip.

Luieburger
05-16-2011, 9:17 AM
I don't know who is paying for your practice ammo, but practicing in 9mm is cheaper than the others. Because it is cheaper, you are more likely to practice often and can afford to practice more often (at least this is the case for a penny pincher like me).

That's why I voted for the 17 in this poll.

451040
05-16-2011, 9:30 AM
Glock 4th gen 22

PandaLuv
05-16-2011, 9:37 AM
Glock18 :43:

Glock 17, mainly cause of the 17+1 rounds. Or glock 21, realized you do have that option. 23 is a go for me as well though

mossy
05-16-2011, 9:46 AM
the one your department issues you

CSACANNONEER
05-16-2011, 9:48 AM
G1911

mossy
05-16-2011, 9:59 AM
G1911

i hear those jam all the time though :p

CSACANNONEER
05-16-2011, 12:47 PM
i hear those jam all the time though :p

But, they shoot straight and don't Kaboom!

ceasefire15
05-17-2011, 10:33 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/Gregdog/Pin%20Ups/NewG23007.jpg

My favorite...

http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc378/sacease/AR15%20and%20Glock%2023%20OD/DSC_0448.jpg

4thHorse
05-17-2011, 11:04 PM
3rd gen 17

CK_32
05-18-2011, 8:12 AM
Not one person says 21?? Why not a full size .45??

locosway
05-18-2011, 8:14 AM
Not one person says 21?? Why not a full size .45??

Why compromise for a .45 when you can have a 10mm?

ballyhoo
05-18-2011, 8:14 AM
Gen-3 Glock 21

CK_32
05-18-2011, 8:21 AM
Why compromise for a .45 when you can have a 10mm?

Idk what so special about a 10mm? I'm just getting into hand guns and have been researching my first one one and off for about a year and came up on the glock 21 for my SHTF carry and night stand gun/ desert play days.

I just recently ruled off the g17 and have made most of my mind up on a 21 being the gun for me... I'm asking why hasn't anyone mentioned the 21 and maybe for my need Im set on the wrong glock.

I know the 21 is a 45 good hd knock down power and is full size which I like. I'm a civy stuck with the 10rnd limit anyways... Do I need to lock my door and get to clicking around the net again or should i be good to go with the 21 for my needs?
Gen-3 Glock 21

Thank you :p

locosway
05-18-2011, 8:36 AM
Idk what so special about a 10mm? I'm just getting into hand guns and have been researching my first one one and off for about a year and came up on the glock 21 for my SHTF carry and night stand gun/ desert play days.

I just recently ruled off the g17 and have made most of my mind up on a 21 being the gun for me... I'm asking why hasn't anyone mentioned the 21 and maybe for my need Im set on the wrong glock.

I know the 21 is a 45 good hd knock down power and is full size which I like. I'm a civy stuck with the 10rnd limit anyways... Do I need to lock my door and get to clicking around the net again or should i be good to go with the 21 for my needs?


Thank you :p

The 10mm was developed to address the short comings of the .45acp. Also, the .45 having "knock down power" is somewhat of a myth, especially with modern ammo and JHP designs being the way they are.

A good reason to go with a G17 over a G21 is cost. I can shoot twice as much as you for the same price.

Overall you should test fire the guns and find which one shoots best in your hands. Only you can decide which gun is best for you, and no amount of research online will help you with that. As much as I love my G20, and I also go to my G17 for most everything. My G20 is more of my "woods" gun, even though I haven't been to the woods since I've owned it.

Uxi
05-18-2011, 8:39 AM
error: 21 not found.

CK_32
05-18-2011, 8:48 AM
The 10mm was developed to address the short comings of the .45acp. Also, the .45 having "knock down power" is somewhat of a myth, especially with modern ammo and JHP designs being the way they are.

A good reason to go with a G17 over a G21 is cost. I can shoot twice as much as you for the same price.

Overall you should test fire the guns and find which one shoots best in your hands. Only you can decide which gun is best for you, and no amount of research online will help you with that. As much as I love my G20, and I also go to my G17 for most everything. My G20 is more of my "woods" gun, even though I haven't been to the woods since I've owned it.

Thaw another thing too I reload so costs don't scare me too much. And I was looking into one of those 22lr conversion kits. Man I was almost fully confadant in the 21sf now I'm back to square one with either the g17 or g21....

locosway
05-18-2011, 8:58 AM
Thaw another thing too I reload so costs don't scare me too much. And I was looking into one of those 22lr conversion kits. Man I was almost fully confadant in the 21sf now I'm back to square one with either the g17 or g21....

Reloading is great, and I save all my brass... but I can't justify sitting in the garage for hours making 100 rounds that will last me a few minutes at the range. I'd rather buy my ammo new and not have to worry about a double charge or all that other crap. Not to mention that if my gun KB's that I'll have a better chance of getting it replaced through the insurance on the ammo manufacturer or the gun maker. If I lose some fingers because of my crappy reloads then it's all on me. I'm not retired yet, so I need my hands. I'll wait to reload once I'm old and don't care if I can't use my hands.

DannyInSoCal
05-18-2011, 9:00 AM
G50GI

:43:

CK_32
05-18-2011, 9:08 AM
Reloading is great, and I save all my brass... but I can't justify sitting in the garage for hours making 100 rounds that will last me a few minutes at the range. I'd rather buy my ammo new and not have to worry about a double charge or all that other crap. Not to mention that if my gun KB's that I'll have a better chance of getting it replaced through the insurance on the ammo manufacturer or the gun maker. If I lose some fingers because of my crappy reloads then it's all on me. I'm not retired yet, so I need my hands. I'll wait to reload once I'm old and don't care if I can't use my hands.


I take it you don't reload yet.... And I almost like reloading as much as I do going out and shooting when I can't get out. I load thousands of rounds of my 5.56 and my 308. Not a single mid fire yet. But if money and high caps weren't an issue would you still go 17 over the 22 for home defense and SHTF gun?

locosway
05-18-2011, 9:10 AM
I take it you don't reload yet.... And I almost like reloading as much as I do going out and shooting when I can't get out. I load thousands of rounds of my 5.56 and my 308. Not a single mid fire yet. But if money and high caps weren't an issue would you still go 17 over the 22 for home defense and SHTF gun?

I reload for my 10mm, and I find that it's too time consuming now. I'm young and have better things to do with my time. However, I do save all of my brass, so eventually I'll be able to just reload and not worry about having to buy brass.

I haven't had an issues with my 10mm reloads yet either, but there's always that chance. Right now I'd rather not chance it.

Bart1
05-18-2011, 9:23 AM
I voted for 17. Odds are it will fit your hand better. It certainly does mine and I don't have the biggest hands in the world. The finger grooves on the 19 are too close together. Also the grip area is rather small. I notice during 8 hour training days my hand would start to creep up the grip because the surface area was so small and uncomfortable and I would get slide bite. Stings a little, doesn't exactly hurt. But with the 17's larger grip surface area it doesn't happen...at least not to me.

G17 RTF all the way! 17rnds of a +p HP are just plain nasty! I noticed that about the G19's also. I still like em though.

If going the .45acp I would look into a G30.

locosway
05-18-2011, 9:24 AM
^ Yes, I love my G17 RTF2! It's by far my favorite handgun, even more so than my G20. Now, if I had a G20 RTF2 then all bets would be off!

RealBarber
05-18-2011, 9:25 AM
Glock 21SF