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s4alex
04-24-2011, 10:13 AM
So, over the weekend, we picked up our two new additions to the armory. A Gen4 Glock 23 and a Remington 870. Took them to the range and broke them in proper with about 200 rounds through the Glock and about 25 through the Remington. Not a single FTF or FTE through either. Used Factory New, Reloads, Factory surplus, glock ate them all.

So, now my wife is aching for her 45.. She has been eyeballing a Kimber, but I believe I have swayed her to get a Colt.

Now comes the decision on which one. We have a budget of around $1200, give or take.

Needs:
Stainless or Satin Finish
Full size (Government)

Wants (but, not deal breaker:
Night Sites (if it doesnt have it, can always add it later)
Rail (could do with or without)


I have been trying to going over all the models and am now completely overwhelmed and confused and need some guidance. This is not going to be a EDC or CCW, mainly range and nightstand duty (RAND, yes you heard it hear first.. RAND)

This will be for my wife, so yes she wants it to be pretty. I will also use it, so I want it functional.

Colt XSE
Colt Rail Gun
Delta Gold (do they make this in 45, kept seeing 10mm)
Colt MKIV
Series 70? Series 80?


Any guidance would be appreciated.

zdragon
04-24-2011, 10:32 AM
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giants_fan24
04-24-2011, 11:44 AM
Colt XSE are very nice, I know I have 2 of them
http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy164/jen_flip0924/DSC_0731.jpg
http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy164/jen_flip0924/ColtXSE.jpg

JanG
04-24-2011, 11:47 AM
i believe delta is the designation for 10mm colts. not sure if they make the rail gun in stainless, but the xse is and that should be the closest to what you need/want.

subrosa
04-24-2011, 12:11 PM
I have the xse in govt ss, it has been great. Some don't like the duckbill grip safety, but I figured I could always have a beavertail custom fit.

Ripon83
04-24-2011, 12:16 PM
I maybe wrong but I thought the XSE was your only new option for a Colt Govt. Model 45 1911? I don't think theyve even put their anniversary guns or the 1991 models on the list have they? I gotta go back and look.

Not sure where you are but someone has had a nice looking series 80 in the market place from the San Fran bay area for about $1k for some time. He's gotten no takers at that price. I see them on gun broker and they seem to be about 750/800 and its the bright stainless which Colt does a nice job of. Still I don't think you can buy one out of state and have it come in.

I've seen used ones on the market place from $850/925 that look quite worn.

Most of them I don't see with night sites and none of the older one's have rails.

I'm always looking, but its out of my budget right now so I just bought an RIA Tactical...my total cost with all fees and taxes was $520 and I could spend that in a single month and not have to save up for anything :) If I wanted to go Colt it'd take me a few months to save up. Which I probably will some day.

jonzer77
04-24-2011, 12:26 PM
The xse is nice because it has a lot of the features you usually end up adding later but I am not a big fan of the roll marks on it. Then there is the 1991 (01991 or 01091) but it a little bit more rough but I love the classic looking roll marks on it. It is a basic GI model though and makes a great base gun. These are the only models on the "safe" list and I would recommend the xse since it would more suit your purpose. Buds had a blued model xse for $920 a month ago but they are currently out. If you can find a ffl in your area that has a good transfer fee and doesnt charge use tax then it would be a good deal. There is a shop here in Watsonville with a stainless xse for $1199 that is looking for a good home.

Here is my 1991 Colt
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n268/jonzer77/DSC00470.jpg

Q619
04-24-2011, 2:00 PM
I had an XSE, it was a great gun! Pretty solid purchase as you get some great upgrades straight from the factory. Only thing is the safety....you'll want a beavertail to replace the factory duckbill (:p can't remember what it's called) and might want a checkered steel mainspring housing as well to replace the plastic. Apart from that, it's a hell of a gun. Mine was accurate, reliable and had a great trigger for a sub $1k gun!

movie zombie
04-24-2011, 2:20 PM
i love my blue colt mark iv officers' .45acp.......fits my hand and i bought it from another calgunner. for $850 [if i remember right].
mz

s4alex
04-24-2011, 9:03 PM
Okay, so it may look like we have a Colt XSE Stainless Rail Government in our near future...

melman
04-24-2011, 9:20 PM
I love mine.
http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n495/melman27/IMG_1042.jpg

GW
04-24-2011, 10:22 PM
Check out the Combat Elite from Colt as well
A great gun!

Cyc Wid It
04-24-2011, 10:26 PM
Colt Series 70 Repro.

Ripon83
04-24-2011, 11:01 PM
Isn't that the 1991?


Colt Series 70 Repro.

s4alex
04-24-2011, 11:01 PM
So, really, what is the difference between all the models? They are all basically a 1911, rather THE 1911.

Finish? Sights? What will one model get me vs another? Series 70 vs 80? I was looking at the specs and it all seems to be close to the same?

I still like that Stainless XSE rail.. what would the combat elite provide that a XSE Rail would not?

Q619
04-24-2011, 11:15 PM
Isn't that the 1991?

No, that gun is a series 80. The diff between the series 70 and series 80 is that the series 80 has a firing pin safety. Manufacturers simply use a heavy firing pin spring, sometimes in combination with a titanium firing pin to pass the CA drop test with the series 70 type guns. There really is no need for the safety, though most can't tell a difference between the two. Heavier trigger pull, that's about it. Many view it as just another thing that can go wrong. I'm one of those :p I like to keep it as simple as possible.

ZX-10R
04-25-2011, 8:54 AM
I just ordered a Colt XSE in SS this Friday. I got a deal that was killer due to the fact that my buddy also ordered one. My requirements for this purchase are:
- COLT (if it isn't a Colt it's not the real thing..)
- Made in USA (Colt, S&W, and Kimber are the big mass produced ones - SA 1911 is Brazilian and I love America too much for that kind of purchase)
- Dual ambi safety
- Good weight and balance (Colt and S&W felt best in my hands)

bombadillo
04-25-2011, 9:05 AM
Is there any way you could sway her toward a Dan Wesson PM7??? Its a great gun, has a great roll mark, front cocking serrations, lots of semi-custom work done as far as trigger job, beaver tail, FLGR, and lots of fitting and de-horning of the gun to smooth it out and make it feel great. Bo-Mar style target sights that are fully adjustable. I know its not a colt, but its a 70's series style gun w/o the schwartz safety and everyone I know has been impressed with mine compared to their stock kimbers, colts, and even a wilson or two has been compared. Anyway, they're stainless and looks to be everything but railed which you could add one later anyway so its a non-issue.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_2V3ZW6JNYLs/SZ4El10BsmI/AAAAAAAACC0/Ca2sFyujUXE/Dan%20Wesson%20Pointman%207.jpg

s4alex
04-25-2011, 9:10 AM
Would love to get a DW.. Les... Or one of the other customs, but that would be a bit over our $1200 limit.

Miltiades
04-25-2011, 9:10 AM
I'm a long time Colt 1911 fan and have maybe 6 of them. I've always found them to be solid, well-made and reliable. For a range gun I like older Gold Cup models, which have adjustable sights. You have to find them used in a private party transfer here in CA, of course.

Here is one that was made in 1968 and is pre Series 70, with tens of thousands of rounds through it. I have owned it for 20 years and have had it modified somewhat. But it still keeps ticking along and looks good.

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o25/pogo2/ColtGoldCup75.jpg

HardHatMan
04-25-2011, 9:21 AM
I'm a long time Colt 1911 fan and have maybe 6 of them. I've always found them to be solid, well-made and reliable. For a range gun I like older Gold Cup models, which have adjustable sights. You have to find them used in a private party transfer here in CA, of course.

Here is one that was made in 1968 and is pre Series 70, with tens of thousands of rounds through it. I have owned it for 20 years and have had it modified somewhat. But it still keeps ticking along and looks good.

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o25/pogo2/ColtGoldCup75.jpg

Gold cup = :drool5:

http://gunsgunsguns.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/goldcuptrophystainless.jpg

bombadillo
04-25-2011, 9:34 AM
Would love to get a DW.. Les... Or one of the other customs, but that would be a bit over our $1200 limit.

I got my dan wesson for around $1200 from budsgunshop.com Check there every so often because when they get their order, they go REALLY quick. I waited once and was so disappointed after it went away. It took a whole day or two for them to sell out. Then I saw another in 2010 and grabbed it at the beginning of last year. Love that gun and its been so reliable I can't complain at all.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/17997

Wow, well after looking they have them but went up by almost 300 bucks this year. Jeesh, get 'em while you can!

RealBarber
04-25-2011, 10:53 AM
the 1991's and XSE's are the only ones on the approved list

anything else you'd have to do a single shot or ppt