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puppy8a9
04-22-2011, 11:00 PM
Tuesday, April 26 · 7:30pm - 9:00pm
Pleasant Hill City Hall
Planning Commission Meeting
100 Gregory Lane Pleasant Hill, CA 94523

The city of Pleasant Hill has been approached by the Brady Campaign and LCAV about creating a zoning ordinance (Sept 2010) against firearms dealers to try and drive them out of business or make life difficult.

It was stopped temporarily by a council member and now it is time for citizen action. Bring your friends and help stop this ordinance. Even if they pull the item from agenda we will be speaking out against this at the planning meeting where Legal Community Against Violence submitted info for this meeting.

Bring all your friends to this event and let's stop Brady Terror on the city of Pleasant Hill. We all need to protect firearms dealers here in CA. A show of force could help.

LCAV has provided additional information to the city to move this forward. You can go to the agenda and click on the link for the memo about the ordinance http://www.ci.pleasant-hill.ca.us/archives/32/04-26-11%20pc.pdf memo: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/77727053/LCAV-Pleasant-Hill-CA

The proposed ordinance is http://www.docstoc.com/docs/77729063/2011-04-18-Pleasant-Hill-City-Zoning-Ordinance-ONLY-_2_

This is a city office so no open carry please though everyone is encouraged to attend.

Librarian
04-22-2011, 11:49 PM
What lovely people are the LCAV!

The proposed ordinance (at the link, but I don't care to register with yet another web site)

It shall be unlawful to establish a firearms and/or ammunition sales establishment if the location is

1. within a 500 foot radius of a residential land use designation.
2. within an 800 foot radius of a school or park use designation.
3. within an 800 foot radius of a religious institution.
4. within 1000 feet of any other firearms or ammunition sales use.

Exactly what problems have been caused by having such businesses located within the proximities specified? Where's the evidence?

What - no evidence? Then why bother?

LCAV might be correct that a city might legally do this, though I'm not so sure.

But if there is no confirmed problem, the Council should move on to other issues.

jdberger
04-22-2011, 11:59 PM
Alright folks. Let's make this happen. We'll get the rules up shortly regarding speakers, speaker cards, etc.

Some tried and true rules are:


Dress Respectfully: At the very least, wear a collared shirt. If possible a sportcoat.
Speak Respectfully: Screaming gets you nowhere. In fact, it denegrates your point of view.
Act Respectfully: I think this speaks for itself.


Our objective here, is to convince the Planning Commission that following LCAV's advice isn't just stupid, it's financially irresponsible.

Thanks to puppy9a0 for alerting us to this.

Stay tuned and watch this space.

zvardan
04-23-2011, 12:01 AM
City arms was having an issue. Ph doesn't want them there.

puppy8a9
04-23-2011, 12:13 AM
I embedded the images on this website http://responsiblecitizensofcalifornia.org/profiles/blogs/zoning-ordinance-in-pleasant from DocStoc, I hope this works better. I hate registering for added websites too.

Pleasant Hill had no problem with the business but Brady Campaign Karen Arntzen did and emailed all council members about creating a zoning ordinance 9/8/2010. She met with the two council members that now serve on the special secret ad hoc committee. The definition of an ad hoc committee is not what is going on it is just the city is operating it this way in order to not provide information to the public including what members of the public serve on this committee making this recommendation.

I have been pulling records and checking up on the formation and how this came about and there is plenty dirty afloat here.

There is much to do but we need the show of force to stop the actions before they can be set in place. This ordinance leaves no place for gun dealers to operate in the city.

Librarian
04-23-2011, 12:46 AM
Should be possible to provide crime data from the PD web site: http://www.ci.pleasant-hill.ca.us/index.aspx?NID=744

Maybe 6 mos before and 6 mos after City Arms (60 Golf Club Road, Unit B)?

Crimes around Diablo Valley Gun works (1942 Linda Dr).

ETA No, not that helpful for time, because the map has data only from Nov 1, 2010 forward. Basically nothing close to DVGW in that span. Not much around City Arms, either.

puppy8a9
04-23-2011, 1:04 AM
Should be possible to provide crime data from the PD web site: http://www.ci.pleasant-hill.ca.us/index.aspx?NID=744

Maybe 6 mos before and 6 mos after City Arms (60 Golf Club Road, Unit B)?

Crimes around Diablo Valley Gun works (1942 Linda Dr)

If you come that would be great info to bring

jdberger
04-23-2011, 1:40 AM
Should be possible to provide crime data from the PD web site: http://www.ci.pleasant-hill.ca.us/index.aspx?NID=744

Maybe 6 mos before and 6 mos after City Arms (60 Golf Club Road, Unit B)?

Crimes around Diablo Valley Gun works (1942 Linda Dr).

ETA No, not that helpful for time, because the map has data only from Nov 1, 2010 forward. Basically nothing close to DVGW in that span. Not much around City Arms, either.

IIRC, Pleasant Hill is Karen Arntzen's (Brady Campaign) stomping grounds. Either she works there or lives there. We had a couple friends attend the California Brady Campaign's annual lunch back in November in Oakland and she mentioned that it was a priority for her to get DVG (I think) shut down.

Frankly, I'm suprised that it's taken them this long to get moving on it.

nagorb
04-23-2011, 2:07 AM
What lovely people are the LCAV!

The proposed ordinance (at the link, but I don't care to register with yet another web site)

It shall be unlawful to establish a firearms and/or ammunition sales establishment if the location is

1. within a 500 foot radius of a residential land use designation.
2. within an 800 foot radius of a school or park use designation.
3. within an 800 foot radius of a religious institution.
4. within 1000 feet of any other firearms or ammunition sales use.

Exactly what problems have been caused by having such businesses located within the proximities specified? Where's the evidence?

What - no evidence? Then why bother?

LCAV might be correct that a city might legally do this, though I'm not so sure.

But if there is no confirmed problem, the Council should move on to other issues.

Why do they need a problem? This is just another great example of a solution without a problem:rolleyes:

I actually might be able to make this one, though I really don't think it would make any difference.

unusedusername
04-23-2011, 2:09 AM
Looks like I finally need to dry clean that suit.

Will await info on speakers cards and that process... or if nobody else posts it I'll give them a call on Monday and ask how the process works.

unusedusername
04-23-2011, 2:12 AM
I actually might be able to make this one, though I really don't think it would make any difference.

Even if you say nothing, just showing up and filling the room can make a difference. It has worked before in San Mateo county.

Seriously, this is the kind of politics where a single non-law backgrounded person can make a difference.

Skidmark
04-23-2011, 6:52 AM
Thanks for the tip. I'm already double-booked that night, but I'll get a letter off to the P.H. council covering the main points.

Purple K
04-23-2011, 7:02 AM
Dusting off the suit and polishing the shoes. I'll be there.

RipVanWinkle
04-23-2011, 7:51 AM
Should be possible to provide crime data from the PD web site: http://www.ci.pleasant-hill.ca.us/index.aspx?NID=744

Maybe 6 mos before and 6 mos after City Arms (60 Golf Club Road, Unit B)?

Crimes around Diablo Valley Gun works (1942 Linda Dr).

ETA No, not that helpful for time, because the map has data only from Nov 1, 2010 forward. Basically nothing close to DVGW in that span. Not much around City Arms, either.

How about this?

Uniform Crime Reporting Statistics - UCR Data Online
http://www.ucrdatatool.gov/


Crime reported by Pleasant Hill Police Dept, California

Year Months Pop. Violent crime Murder Forcible Robbery Agg.
total Manslaughter rape assault

1985 12 28553 90 1 6 56 27
1986 12 28194 81 0 5 39 37
1987 12 29200 68 1 2 30 35
1988 12 29796 103 2 6 49 46
1989 12 31400 113 2 10 38 63
1990 12 31585 120 0 5 39 76
1991 12 32242 173 1 8 49 115
1992 12 32758 192 0 12 62 118
1993 12 32118 170 0 3 58 109
1994 12 32344 173 0 7 66 100
1995 12 31794 163 1 4 53 105
1996 12 32084 103 0 5 38 60
1997 12 32476 157 2 3 51 101
1998 12 33186 126 0 7 35 84
1999 12 33799 105 0 7 33 65
2000 12 32837 140 0 11 37 92
2001 12 33447 129 0 9 57 63
2002 12 34044 152 0 10 62 80
2003 12 33889 134 0 8 52 74
2004 12 34250 136 1 7 35 93
2005 12 33752 127 1 10 47 69
2006 12 33452 136 0 9 56 71
2007 12 33233 125 1 10 48 66
2008 12 32664 115 0 4 50 61
2009 12 32841 104 1 7 46 50

Notes: When data are unavailable, the cells are blank or the year is not presented.


Sources: FBI, Uniform Crime Reports, prepared by the National Archive of Criminal
Justice Data
Date of download: Apr 23 2011


Won't let me re-format it, but somewhat readable.:mad:

RipVanWinkle
04-23-2011, 8:23 AM
Another attempt:

http://img.att.net/photos/83/38059383/496548/PleasantHill.jpg?66ed3814-5265-4796-9b92-da57ed546c89


That's better.:o

ricochet
04-23-2011, 9:47 AM
Sorry; too late for me to travel that far on a school night (I turn into a pumpkin early these days :-) . Good luck to ya in fighting the good fight ...

Tuesday, April 26 · 7:30pm - 9:00pm
Pleasant Hill City Hall
Planning Commission Meeting
100 Gregory Lane Pleasant Hill, CA 94523

The city of Pleasant Hill has been approached by the Brady Campaign and LCAV about creating a zoning ordinance (Sept 2010) against firearms dealers to try and drive them out of business or make life difficult.

It was stopped temporarily by a council member and now it is time for citizen action. Bring your friends and help stop this ordinance. Even if they pull the item from agenda we will be speaking out against this at the planning meeting where Legal Community Against Violence submitted info for this meeting.

Bring all your friends to this event and let's stop Brady Terror on the city of Pleasant Hill. We all need to protect firearms dealers here in CA. A show of force could help.

LCAV has provided additional information to the city to move this forward. You can go to the agenda and click on the link for the memo about the ordinance http://www.ci.pleasant-hill.ca.us/archives/32/04-26-11%20pc.pdf memo: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/77727053/LCAV-Pleasant-Hill-CA

The proposed ordinance is http://www.docstoc.com/docs/77729063/2011-04-18-Pleasant-Hill-City-Zoning-Ordinance-ONLY-_2_

This is a city office so no open carry please though everyone is encouraged to attend.

Librarian
04-23-2011, 10:36 AM
How about this?

Uniform Crime Reporting Statistics - UCR Data Online
http://www.ucrdatatool.gov/


Won't let me re-format it, but somewhat readable.:mad:

If you want to keep formatting, I've found that putting [CODE] tags round the table works pretty well (the "#" button above the 'advanced' text window).

UCR is good, but the PH maps a bit better. Both come ultimately from what PHPD report, but since the 'complaint' seems to be based on location, having the locations of the crimes is a helpful.

I'll be there. Coat and tie.

Steyr_223
04-23-2011, 10:48 AM
Brady Campaign Karen Arntzen aka the Enemy..

F4OMBTCmKVA

Karen Arntzen at an open carry "event" in Contra Costa County.

ufhCEjXB7fY

SJgunguy24
04-23-2011, 1:29 PM
How far from BART is this?

Drivedabizness
04-23-2011, 2:11 PM
Its a couple of miles...maybe less.

puppy8a9
04-23-2011, 2:12 PM
How far from BART is this?

It is a ways but if you get to bart by 6 or 6:30 I will come grab you. I will pm you

NorCalAthlete
04-23-2011, 2:16 PM
Brady Campaign Karen Arntzen aka the Enemy..

F4OMBTCmKVA

Karen Arntzen at an open carry "event" in Contra Costa County.

ufhCEjXB7fY

Wow. She has no idea what she's talking about. 2nd ammendment rights end where the community begins, "just like smoking and secondhand smoke"? Wha....? Huh? Her arguments against people open carrying don't make sense either. And she keeps dropping the phrase "semi-automatic" like it's a trump card...yet even without being there I'm 99% positive there were plenty of revolvers around too. As for 40 people with handguns and a couple mags of ammo having more firepower than a "platoon"...lmao, one real soldier in a platoon carries a standard, basic loadout of 210 rounds. Figure each of those 40 people carries 2 mags of 10 rounds each, that's only 800 rounds. So, 40 people have the firepower of 4 people in a typical platoon...and platoons have anywhere from 30-100 people in them. Great argument there. I wouldn't mind tracking her down sometime at one of these rallies and shooting down all her arguments...

mrdd
04-23-2011, 2:51 PM
Has anyone made the argument that in California, licensed dealers are required due to state law? Since it is not legal to transfer firearms without a licensed dealer (except in a very small number of cases), how can they try to eliminate them all?

RipVanWinkle
04-23-2011, 4:19 PM
1. within a 500 foot radius of a residential land use designation.
2. within an 800 foot radius of a school or park use designation.
3. within an 800 foot radius of a religious institution.
4. within 1000 feet of any other firearms or ammunition sales use.[/INDENT]


It looks as though the existing gun shops are in jeopardy.

Diablo Valley Gun Works is probably within 800' of Faith Lutheran Church, and almost certainly within 500' of a residential land use designation. In the Google Earth shot below the inner gray circle is 500' radius, the rust/orange circle is 800', and the outer circle is 1000'. I don't see any schools in there, but there may be one. The proposed ordinance does specify that the distances are to be measured from the property boundary. This has to be the most Byzantine "gun store free zone" proposal of all time. Who thinks these things up?:confused:

http://img.att.net/photos/83/38059383/496550/PleasantHillDVGW.jpg?4dd807aa-a954-4508-9d40-bdaac2756841

City Arms is close to being in one of the forbidden zones. I've made the same size circles here, but different colors. It might just clip the corner of the tennis courts at DVC, and it's almost certainly within 800' of Chilpancingo Park, and like Diablo Valley Gun Works it probably is within 500' of a residential land use designation. Both shops are too close to call without more accurate locations. Sheeeesh....

http://img.att.net/photos/83/38059383/496550/PleasantHillCityArms.jpg?c22b878c-63cd-4768-bdb8-a62bb34f5478

puppy8a9
04-23-2011, 5:19 PM
Kitty corner from city arms are apartments so yes they are in a zone. I am also pretty sure Kmart sells shot shell which makes them within 1000 feet of another ammunition dealer.

THANKS FOR THE MAP, We will use that.

chiz
04-23-2011, 6:19 PM
That Kmart no longer sells ammo.

Zimz
04-23-2011, 7:03 PM
I might be able to make it. Anyone know if CCW is allowed in a City hall?

wash
04-23-2011, 7:20 PM
I'll see if my suit is ready for action.

jb7706
04-23-2011, 7:49 PM
I might be able to make it. Anyone know if CCW is allowed in a City hall?

If you are carrying on a 12050 permit with no prohibiting restrictions, you are legal.

puppy8a9
04-23-2011, 7:57 PM
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/217593_1923449215391_1516920629_2079705_6804468_n. jpg
Also here:
http://responsiblecitizensofcalifornia.org/profiles/blogs/zoning-ordinance-in-pleasant?xg_source=activity

How does this look for a flyer to distribute?

blakdawg
04-23-2011, 8:17 PM
ok, blocked it on my calendar, can give up to 3 people rides from San Jose if necessary. (2 of those people will need to be comfortable in the back seat of a 5-series BMW, which isn't impossible but not going to be pleasant if you're > 6' tall )

puppy8a9
04-23-2011, 9:36 PM
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/217357_1923437335094_1516920629_2079686_3640536_n. jpg

Image 2 created by another gun rights woman who involved herself independently. Well done!

jdberger
04-23-2011, 10:50 PM
Brainstorm for talking points?

Librarian
04-23-2011, 10:53 PM
Brainstorm for talking points?

Open or PM?

ivanimal
04-23-2011, 11:09 PM
I am a Pleasant Hill resident. I will be there and can speak on the matter if need be. Give me a strategy.

aklover_91
04-23-2011, 11:21 PM
I am a Pleasant Hill resident. I will be there and can speak on the matter if need be. Give me a strategy.

Print out that crime table that's been posted, point out that it's at an all time low so the gun shops can't be negatively affecting the area.

jdberger
04-23-2011, 11:25 PM
One quick thing, it's important that we do our best to sit in the front row. I've noticed at the last few events that we've a tendency to sit in the back rows. Thus, we allow the Brady biddies to sit in the front, always in the view of the Commission/Council with their t-shirts and disapproving scowls.

Let's make an effort to change this.

jdberger
04-23-2011, 11:43 PM
Open or PM?

Let's start it off via PM. Use the group I notified last night. Just hit "reply all".

wash
04-23-2011, 11:54 PM
ok, blocked it on my calendar, can give up to 3 people rides from San Jose if necessary. (2 of those people will need to be comfortable in the back seat of a 5-series BMW, which isn't impossible but not going to be pleasant if you're > 6' tall )
I would like to carpool if possible.

Gas isn't cheap.

I'll be in Sunnyvale near Lawrence and 237.

blakdawg
04-24-2011, 12:10 AM
If you want to read about Karen Arntzen's complaints to the Pleasant Hill Planning Commission re her next-door-neighbor teaching children to swim in a backyard pool, search Google for "Little Dippers Swim Club" - http://www.ci.pleasant-hill.ca.us/DocumentView.aspx?DID=1003 has a pretty good summary and http://www.ci.pleasant-hill.ca.us/DocumentView.aspx?DID=941 has more.

wash
04-24-2011, 12:19 AM
She doesn't want people to be able to defend themselves from violent crime or water.

The Soup Nazi
04-24-2011, 7:59 AM
ok, blocked it on my calendar, can give up to 3 people rides from San Jose if necessary. (2 of those people will need to be comfortable in the back seat of a 5-series BMW, which isn't impossible but not going to be pleasant if you're > 6' tall )

Taking blakdawg on his offer, will be there.

marcus_bervus
04-24-2011, 8:12 AM
to make your position effective, my advice, center your argument of the issue of specific legislation against gun store it violate EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE of the Constitution. DOn't make it personal against the proponent of the zoning initiative, this will only weaken your position.

high_revs
04-24-2011, 8:38 AM
How far from BART is this?

I"m unsure yet SJgunguy... I won't find out until Tuesday morning. But if I can go, I can pick you up from the Dublin/Pleasanton BART and we can carpool from there. PM me your # and can call/text you Tuesday morning.

Inoxmark
04-24-2011, 12:28 PM
Current Pleasant Hill zoning map in high resolution can be downloaded here:
http://www.ci.pleasant-hill.ca.us/DocumentView.aspx?DID=276

After studying this map it appears that in the entire city of Pleasant Hill only three buildings meet these requirements, that is unless I missed another restriction somewhere:
- two buildings on Buskirk Ave immediately north of Best Buy, currently occupied by "Newhall Industries" and "Pleasant Hill Coin and Jewelry";
- building on Contra Costa Blvd and 2nd Ave right next to Kragen Auto Parts, currently occupied by some aquarium store called "All About Fish".

chiz
04-24-2011, 1:53 PM
How far from BART is this?

It is about a mile from bart. You could catch the route 18 bus at Pleasant Hill bart and get off on Gregory lane. It is the 6th stop.

NotEnufGarage
04-24-2011, 3:19 PM
A point to make to the city is that a gun shop generates sales tax revenue similar to a high end electronics store. If possible, provide some examples of the types of firearms typically sold at these establishments and mention the amount of sales tax that such a sale would generate. I don't know what share of the 9.25% sales tax goes to the city, but by driving these establishments out of the city, they are driving tax revenue away as well. Make sure they know that "feel good" actions have a cost.

I found it.. The city gets 1% of the sales tax, the state gets 8.25% in this case.

It would probably be useful to find the annual sales figure of the targetted establishments so the amount can be quantified.

If each store does $1 million per year in sales, that's $10,000 in sales tax revenue they're forfeiting if the businesses move out of town.

wash
04-24-2011, 6:54 PM
I wonder if her neighborhood is in a gun free school zone?

Dutch3
04-24-2011, 8:02 PM
It's the Bay Area. Is this really surprising to anyone?

N6ATF
04-24-2011, 8:23 PM
Letters to neighbors/coworkers with an abandoned warehouse as the return address/none at all?

ro442173
04-24-2011, 8:26 PM
Oh man, I love City Arms.

BusBoy
04-24-2011, 8:38 PM
I'll be there... and I can pick up people from Pleasant Hill BART and deliver them back after the meeting.

PM me if interested. I can take 3... little honda civic but its only like a 5 minute drive.

BusBoy
04-24-2011, 8:46 PM
I embedded the images on this website http://responsiblecitizensofcalifornia.org/profiles/blogs/zoning-ordinance-in-pleasant from DocStoc, I hope this works better. I hate registering for added websites too.

Pleasant Hill had no problem with the business but Brady Campaign Karen Arntzen did and emailed all council members about creating a zoning ordinance 9/8/2010. She met with the two council members that now serve on the special secret ad hoc committee. The definition of an ad hoc committee is not what is going on it is just the city is operating it this way in order to not provide information to the public including what members of the public serve on this committee making this recommendation.

I have been pulling records and checking up on the formation and how this came about and there is plenty dirty afloat here.

There is much to do but we need the show of force to stop the actions before they can be set in place. This ordinance leaves no place for gun dealers to operate in the city.

Puppy... I think Ive seen you at the USI meetings... You may want to see if you can contact the powers that be of those 5 clubs and see if you can get volunteers to show up... make sure that you remind them of the dress nice and speak nice policy ;)

I'll see if the chairman of the Diablo Action Pistol group will let me send an email to the group.... thats 200+ people right there.

Drivedabizness
04-24-2011, 8:49 PM
Remember the PC can't enact squat without the approval of the City Council.

Its certainly worthwhile to show up (en masse) and ask questions that will help identify the real agenda, expose inconsistencies in the arguments of LCAV, etc.

Recommend everyone keep some powder dry for the Council meeting where any resulting item from the PC will be considered. Let's face it - its likely the item will be forwarded to the Council - these folks are obviously carrying water for SOMEONE.

Swiss
04-24-2011, 9:36 PM
What are the stated reasons for this ordinance and how would its passage impact the two existing shops?

NotEnufGarage
04-24-2011, 9:39 PM
The title of this thread throws up a big flashing red light to me.

"Zoning Ordinance in Pleasant Hill against Gun Dealers!"

Do not refer to Federally Licensed Firearm Retailers as "Dealers". It makes it too easy for the other side to draw on peoples negative outlook towards drug dealers, as if the business they're engaged in is illegal.

Refer to them as what they are. They are Businessmen. Federally Licensed Firearm Retailers. Sporting Goods Retailers. Whatever.. But don't call them "Dealers".

That makes it too easy for the other side to draw subliminal equivalances between them and actual felons.

Librarian
04-24-2011, 10:05 PM
What are the stated reasons for this ordinance and how would its passage impact the two existing shops?

I don't believe the available docs give a reason. As for existing shops, I dunno.

puppy8a9
04-24-2011, 10:44 PM
Puppy... I think Ive seen you at the USI meetings... You may want to see if you can contact the powers that be of those 5 clubs and see if you can get volunteers to show up... make sure that you remind them of the dress nice and speak nice policy ;)

I'll see if the chairman of the Diablo Action Pistol group will let me send an email to the group.... thats 200+ people right there.

Perfect, I do not have the contact information to the club but yes you see me at those meetings. Thanks

puppy8a9
04-24-2011, 10:53 PM
I don't believe the available docs give a reason. As for existing shops, I dunno.

No reasons at all. They have been what is considered a good neighbor where they are. This is one concern to bring up is that the ordinance is meant to harass since it does not address any identified issues or problems.

The special interest groups have a hand in this which is the Brady Campaign and LCAV which they have sought legal advice from without finding a fair and impartial participant for advice. These serial communications are subject to public records and I will be seeking them next week after I pick up the next records request from last week.

The more I get the more I need with this item. Secret 'ad hoc' meetings were not documenting participants. According to the 2/7 meeting there were community members they were engaged with. I would bet the person is a special interest of anti-gun organizations. Ad Hoc means "for this" which this does not fit the definition of an ad hoc since the identified subjects were more than one area making it the definition of a standing committee.

2/7 item 7.7 formation of committee starting at 39 minutes into the meeting
http://pleasanthill.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=580
(TIME 45: )Ad-Hoc in some ways unique to this year current purposes, public health and safety committee. Safety related issues did not do a big write up on that. Things like Dr. Harris smoking ordinance and number of other items we may want to look at related public safety. Not subject to the Brown Act, get input other ways. Intent is public outreach and get input then looking at existing codes to see if items we need to include. (NOT NARROW SCOPE) Gun stores, noise issues, smoking related issues. Harris, Durant and staffed by City Manager and when needed police chief as needed. Moved, second further discussion none.


There is so much wrong with this situation here. I will post the independant write up on this separately

puppy8a9
04-24-2011, 10:56 PM
Pleasant Hill Gunning for Second Amendment Rights


Over the past several months City of Pleasant Hill officials have been quietly planning to adopt new regulations to limit firearms and ammunition sales in the City. On Tuesday, April 26, 2011 the City’s Planning Commission is scheduled to take the first formal step to restrict firearms and ammunition sales, by amending its zoning ordinance to create a new land use category for such sales and requiring retailers to obtain a use permit. If the Commission adopts this amendment it will lay the foundation for additional regulation to restrict firearms and ammunition sales within City limits, which appears to be the intent of Mayor David Durant and Councilmember Michael Harris.


How Did We Get Here?

During the past six months Pleasant Hill City Council members and City Council candidates were contacted by Karen Arntzen from the California Brady Campaign, a 501(c)3 organization seeking to reduce “gun violence” and “educate the public about gun violence through litigation, grassroots mobilization, and outreach to affected communities.” During this period Arntzen made contact with City officials – and met with Councilmembers David Durant and Michael Harris – for the purpose of discussing new regulation of firearms and ammunition sales in Pleasant Hill.

On February 7, 2011, the City Council approved Mayor David Durant's request to form an “ad hoc” Public Health and Safety Subcommittee (“Safety Committee”), composed of Durant, Councilmember Michael Harris, City Manager June Catalano, and Police Chief Peter Dunbar or his designee "when needed." At that Council meeting the Safety Committee’s role was established to “advise the Council, make recommendations on future programs and policies, or suggest revisions to existing programs.”

Ad hoc committees are not subject to California Brown Act open meeting rules, enabling public officials and staff to meet privately without notice, agendas, meeting minutes or public input. Ad hoc committees, by definition, convene for a limited period and have no "continuing subject matter jurisdiction." Since formation of the Safety Committee, questions have arisen regarding whether the ad hoc designation was made properly. Suspicions remain whether the ad hoc designation was used as a procedural ruse, to allow consideration of controversial firearms regulations outside of public view. [i]


Pornographic Guns?

During the Planning Commission’s March 22, 2011 study session, preliminary consideration was given to regulations developed by the Safety Committee. Thestaff report for the Planning Commission’s March 22nd meeting states:

At the request of the recently established Public Safety Subcommittee of the City Council, staff has drafted an amendment for the Commission to review and consider that would establish a use permit requirement for retail establishments that sell firearms and ammunition . . . The amendment would also establish location limitations for such establishments that are similar to those pertaining to adult businesses. The purpose of the amendment is to ensure that such establishments will not be located in close proximity to sensitive uses and to ensure that any site proposed for such an establishment will be compatible with surrounding areas.

The proposed regulation would have, in effect, restricted firearms and ammunition sales to the far northern Pleasant Hill/Pacheco border area (commonly known as the “adult-bookstore-and-casino end of town”). In proposing this regulation the City apparently intended to zone firearms retailers to the “undesirables” end of town.

Observers report that, at the Planning Commission’s March 22nd meeting, Commissioners appeared surprised by staff's unexpected introduction of amendments targeting firearms and ammunition sales. The Planning Commission directed staff to provide them with additional information, including a map on where firearms and ammunition retailers would be permitted to operate under the proposed regulations.


When At First You Don’t Succeed, Try an Incremental Approach

When word spread about the proposed regulations and their potential impact on existing City businesses, the level of public concern increased. Subsequently the proposed regulations were pulled from the April Planning Commission agenda and replaced with a less drastic proposal. The April 26, 2011 Planning Commission Staff Report recommends approval of a new land use category for firearms and ammunition sales and will require retailers to obtain a use permit. With this regulatory foundation in place, the city will be poised to impose new restrictions on gun shops in the future.

puppy8a9
04-24-2011, 10:57 PM
More Questions Than Answers

As community awareness and concern grow regarding the specter of new restrictions on City retailers, questions are being raised regarding the City’s motives and intentions. Below are some of the questions most frequently asked by residents and business owners:

1. How many gun shops are currently in the City? Have they created problems for local law enforcement or the community at large? Does Pleasant Hill have a “gun violence” problem?

Pleasant Hill currently has two retailers that sell firearms and ammunition and three federal firearms licensed dealers who operate from their homes. The older retailer, Diablo Valley Gun Works, has been in operation since 1978. The shop is located in a commercial zone on Linda Drive, adjoining a residential area. Diablo Valley Gun Works is owned by Bill Segraves, a retired Pleasant Hill Police Officer. Adjacent business owners and residents say that the shop is a “good neighbor” and its clientele and operations create no disruption or concerns to area businesses and residents.

The second retailer, City Arms LLC, has been operating in Pleasant Hill for about a year. The shop is located in a retail center off of Golf Club Road. Adjacent business owners say that the shop is a “good neighbor” and that neither its clientele nor its operations create disruption or concern.

Historically there have been other firearms and ammunition retailers in Pleasant Hill, including Hogan’s Sports located on Contra Costa Boulevard, a city landmark for decades until its closure in recent years.

One would expect that law enforcement or other problems caused by these establishments would be detailed in the staff report provided to the Commission, particularly in light of the Police Chief’s participation on the Safety Committee. Planning Commission public meeting records do not cite any problems caused by the current firearms shops or dealers, nor is there an indication that these operations pose a community safety hazard. Lacking such evidence, efforts to impose new regulations on these businesses appear to be independent of any actual community need or urgent problem.

2. Can the City afford to jeopardize sales tax revenues by risking the loss of successful retailers? Why does the City equate gun sales with pornography?

The March 22, 2011 Planning Commission staff report equates firearms retailers with adult book stores, without explanation. The City appears to regard firearms retailers as “undesirables” that are a source of embarrassment and don’t belong in the “nice” areas of town. The comparison of adult bookstores and firearms retailers puzzles gun owners and retailers alike. Why would the City insult retailers that help generate its sales tax revenues? Why would City officials risk alienating the City’s lawful gun collectors, hobbyists and sportsmen by smearing them?

3. Firearms sales are heavily regulated by state and federal authorities. Is City regulation also needed?

Anyone who has purchased a firearm knows that to do so requires many pages of state and federal paperwork, in addition to a background check and performance test to ensure the buyer has the knowledge and skill for safe operation. Firearms and ammunition sales in Contra Costa County are among the most heavily regulated retail items sold statewide.

Firearms and ammunition sales have been ongoing in Pleasant Hill for most of its 50-year history – legally, safely and without incident. The City’s crime statisticsshow no evidence of a firearm violence problem in Pleasant Hill. Why, then, do some believe that new regulation of retailers is necessary? What factors are driving the push to impose new regulations on particular retailers which could adversely impact their operations? What specific decision factors led the Safety Committee to recommend those regulations presented to the Planning Commission in March? How did the City’s communications with the Brady Campaign or other groups impact its formation of the Safety Committee and development of the proposed firearms regulations presented to the Planning Commission on March 22, 2011?

4. What information has staff and/or the Safety Committee provided to the Planning Commission?

In response to the Planning Commission’s request for background information, the April 26, 2011 staff report provides a memo from the Legal Community Against Violence (LCAV), an organization that advocates nationwide gun control starting at the local level, as a means of “preventing gun violence.” LCAV’s mission states:

In the absence of comprehensive federal regulation, it is up to state and local governments to adopt policies to prevent gun violence. The future of the gun violence prevention movement depends on building grassroots strength to achieve reform at the state and local level so that, ultimately, nationwide solutions will be more easily achievable. When cities, counties and states adopt gun regulations, they not only address local and regional concerns, they show their representatives in Washington that there is a base of support for regulating firearms.

Under any definition, the background information from the LCAV group cannot be considered objective or authoritative. LCAV exists solely to advance its political agenda to pursue stricter regulation of firearms/ammunition retailers.

Before the Planning Commission acts to adopt new land use restrictions it customarily articulates a clear rationale for doing so and deliberates on the likely impacts of new regulation. In the case of new regulations for firearms/ammunition retailers, where is the compelling evidence or rationale?

There is no indication that Pleasant Hill has experienced a rash of violent crimes associated with legally-owned, licensed firearms. Is it possible that the Safety Committee’s recommendations are simply a politically-motivated effort by Mayor Durant and Councilmember Harris to push certain “undesirable” businesses out of Pleasant Hill or to its outskirts?


All Eyes On Pleasant Hill’s Planning Commission 7:30pm Tuesday, April 26th

The proposed zoning ordinance amendment to establish firearms and ammunition sales as a “new use classification” is a precursor to additional regulation. Indeed, there is no other reason to amend the ordinance.

Information presented to the Planning Commission to date provides an insufficient basis for new regulation of firearms and ammunition retailers. In fact, many residents are concerned that the Planning Commission is being manipulated to advance an anti-gun political agenda. The questionable manner in which the ad hoc Safety Committee was formed and has conducted its business in private, without public input or transparency, has given rise to widespread community distrust of the City.

Numerous Pleasant Hill residents and businesses report a sense of “regulatory overreach” in their lives and livelihoods from local, state and federal government agencies. Many maintain that Pleasant Hill does not need to impose new regulation on businesses that have operated safely, cooperatively and productively for decades. Indeed, with increasing frequency residents and businesses wonder whether the City seeks to adopt progressively more regulations because it can – rather than doing so only as necessary in response to real (rather than imagined) community problems.

Absent a rational basis and demonstrated need for more regulation of retailers, the Planning Commission should reject the staff recommendation to amend the zoning ordinance. In so doing, the Commission will stand against unnecessary regulation and, more importantly, defend individual freedom to lawfully possess firearms, earn a living and run a business without unreasonable government interference.

Pleasant Hill Planning Commissioners have an opportunity to take an affirmative stand to support individual freedom – and resist pressure from special interests to pass unnecessary laws designed to advance a political agenda.

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[i] As of April 5, 2011 the Public Health and Safety Subcommittee reportedly had met only once and produced one proposed zoning ordinance amendment to restrict the sale of firearms and ammunition. Thus, it appears this committee (despite its broad title of “public health and safety”) was formed for the limited purpose of developing regulations to restrict firearms and ammunition sales within the City. If so, some observers maintain that Durant properly should have disclosed the true reason behind his request to establish a new ad hoc committee before putting the item to vote at the February 7, 2011 Council meeting. Additionally, Durant should have disclosed communications and meetings with special interests (Brady Campaign, et. al.) that appear to have been the impetus behind the Committee's formation. If the Public Health and Safety Subcommittee is intended to consider more than the one issue, it would be more appropriate to form a standing committee with "continuing subject matter jurisdiction" rather than an ad hoc committee that is not subject to the Brown Act. The complete series of events that led to the proposal of a new firearms regulation have not been disclosed, giving rise to widespread suspicion that the City is deliberately acting to conceal its actions from the public by using as its fig leaf state laws governing “ad hoc” committees.

oaklander
04-24-2011, 10:58 PM
Holy Moly!!!

I am glad you are on OUR side!!!

This is EPIC. . .

KLT

Pleasant Hill Gunning for Second Amendment Rights


Over the past several months City of Pleasant Hill officials have been quietly planning to adopt new regulations to limit firearms and ammunition sales in the City. . .

JWilson
04-25-2011, 1:13 AM
Alright folks. Let's make this happen. We'll get the rules up shortly regarding speakers, speaker cards, etc.

Some tried and true rules are:


Dress Respectfully: At the very least, wear a collared shirt. If possible a sportcoat.
Speak Respectfully: Screaming gets you nowhere. In fact, it denegrates your point of view.
Act Respectfully: I think this speaks for itself.


Our objective here, is to convince the Planning Commission that following LCAV's advice isn't just stupid, it's financially irresponsible.

Thanks to puppy9a0 for alerting us to this.

Stay tuned and watch this space.

I think that while it is important to be civilized at times, it is also important to be pissed off and smartly so. If you act all subdued, they already know they won their tyranny over you. You see, these commie/land-use/gun-grabbers design mazes for you to go towards dead ends and only they come out of it winning. War in the pocket.

chiselchst
04-25-2011, 1:13 AM
I'll be there. I also emailed everyone I know...

How far from BART is this?

Hell, I'll do shuttles from BART...if the need is there. I have a 7 passenger SUV.

puppy8a9
04-25-2011, 1:37 AM
Hell, I'll do shuttles...if the need is there.

I will pick up from Bart in Pleasant Hill anytime prior to 7pm. All you have to do is call when you get there (925) 917-1252

Wherryj
04-25-2011, 8:07 AM
She doesn't want people to be able to defend themselves from violent crime or water.

"Think of the children...unless it comes to teaching them to swim, then you should think of the neighbors!"

oaklander
04-25-2011, 8:26 AM
It's not this simple. But thank you for the cartoon version of reality. It is entertaining.

:)

I think that while it is important to be civilized at times, it is also important to be pissed off and smartly so. If you act all subdued, they already know they won their tyranny over you. You see, these commie/land-use/gun-grabbers design mazes for you to go towards dead ends and only they come out of it winning. War in the pocket.

rrr70
04-25-2011, 9:19 AM
On February 7, 2011, the City Council approved Mayor David Durant's request to form an “ad hoc” Public Health and Safety Subcommittee (“Safety Committee”), composed of Durant, Councilmember Michael Harris, City Manager June Catalano, and Police Chief Peter Dunbar or his designee "when needed." At that Council meeting the Safety Committee’s role was established to “advise the Council, make recommendations on future programs and policies, or suggest revisions to existing programs.”
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One would expect that law enforcement or other problems caused by these establishments would be detailed in the staff report provided to the Commission, particularly in light of the Police Chief’s participation on the Safety Committee..



Interesting fact: City Arms East had ZERO customers that identified themselvs as a members of PHPD. Are there any kind of internal memos in PHPD regarding this?:TFH:

masameet
04-25-2011, 10:29 AM
Pleasant Hill Gunning for Second Amendment Rights ....

About an hour ago I spoke with the author of this blog: http://www.halfwaytoconcord.com/pleasant-hill-gunning-for-second-amendment-rights/

She wants everybody to know that she updated the story -- with hyperlinks -- since puppy8a9 posted it.

She sounds like a great gal. She and her husband are both gun enthusiasts as well as Pleasant Hill residents. She'll be at tomorrow night's meeting and I hope to meet her. For sure, Calguns/CFN really should find a way to bring her and her husband onboard in some kind of advocacy position. Her writing and ability to synthesize information show her worth.

Also she said that in watching the Brady YT videos, she believes Brady is attempting to go city-by-city and get gun control ordinances introduced. So is Pleasant Hill among the first California municipalities (it is unincorporated) to get such cozy attention by Brady and LCAV?

And for what it's worth, I've also contacted (by phone and email) others, including my club's membership guy, who suggested I contact USI's top guy in getting the message out regarding tomorrow night's meeting. Wendy, the author of the article, echoed my own sentiment: We need actual Pleasant Hill gun-owning residents to be at that meeting who will voice opposition to the proposed ordinance.

Librarian
04-25-2011, 10:41 AM
So is Pleasant Hill among the first California municipalities (it is unincorporated) to get such cozy attention by Brady and LCAV?


Oh, heck no. We had a nice Calguns showing when Emeryville has this particular wild hair. SF Bay Area is 'back yard' for LCAV.

It's 'back yard' for us, too. :chris:

masameet
04-25-2011, 10:59 AM
Doh! For some reason Emeryville popped up in my mind when I wrote my query but I couldn't remember why. :D

RipVanWinkle
04-25-2011, 11:08 AM
Interesting fact: City Arms East had ZERO customers that identified themselvs as a members of PHPD. Are there any kind of internal memos in PHPD regarding this?:TFH:

Or, is that simply a consequence of "old boy" networking?

The older retailer, Diablo Valley Gun Works, has been in operation since 1978.........Diablo Valley Gun Works is owned by Bill Segraves, a retired Pleasant Hill Police Officer.

The second retailer, City Arms LLC, has been operating in Pleasant Hill for about a year.

In any event, City Arms has only been in business in Pleasant Hill for about a year. The idea of a proposal to create a new land use category didn't just pop up overnight. It's conceivable that planning to restrict firearms retailers in Pleasant Hill is nearly contemporaneous with the town's licensing process that approved City Arms' business in the first place. Considering the large cost of establishing a new business location, to now turn around and enact regulations that would uproot City Arms would be extremely perfidious, even by bureaucratic standards!:mad:

jdberger
04-25-2011, 11:11 AM
Here's an interesting chart.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports

Is there a way to break it down by zip code?

Also, I need someone to extract about 60 seconds of video from a YouTube video so I can download it to my iPad.

Joe
04-25-2011, 11:17 AM
tagged

jdberger
04-25-2011, 11:39 AM
Or, is that simply a consequence of "old boy" networking?





In any event, City Arms has only been in business in Pleasant Hill for about a year. The idea of a proposal to create a new land use category didn't just pop up overnight. It's conceivable that planning to restrict firearms retailers in Pleasant Hill is nearly contemporaneous with the town's licensing process that approved City Arms' business in the first place. Considering the large cost of establishing a new business location, to now turn around and enact regulations that would uproot City Arms would be extremely perfidious, even by bureaucratic standards!:mad:

Arntzen (a NIMBY ninny if I've ever seen one) has had a hard-on for City Arms since before November. It aggravates her that they dared to set up near Diablo Valley College. I've an email from her somewhere....

She's interesting in that she appears to be a professional complainer.

jdberger
04-25-2011, 12:35 PM
Another chart. Almost 1 million guns change hands in the California per year.

That's a bundle of tax money, both in sales taxes and business taxes.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/StateTotals_19982011.pdf

vincewarde
04-25-2011, 1:53 PM
.....of attempting to limit fundamental constitutional rights via zoning rules. A few years ago they tried to require permits for home Bible studies. No permit required to have any number of guests at your home for a party (including with alcohol), or a Tupperware party, or a political meeting - but if the meeting is religious then city government approval would have been required - and they made it clear that they would not approve at least some of the applications.

I believe after a ton of opposition from the religious community, they backed down - however, it does not surprise me that they have as little respect for the 2nd Amendment as they have for the 1st.

Sad situation.

N6ATF
04-25-2011, 4:59 PM
Also, I need someone to extract about 60 seconds of video from a YouTube video so I can download it to my iPad.

I'm on this, guys and dolls. :chris:

oaklander
04-25-2011, 7:34 PM
I wish I could kiss you now!

:kiss:

I may have to come. It's about 3 hours from here in traffic, but I'll bring my bike. And that means BUTTLESS CHAPS - FTW!!!

I'll pretend I don't know you guys, so they don't think we are all like me. . .

I'm on this, guys and dolls. :chris:

joelogic
04-25-2011, 7:42 PM
Anyone want to go from SF? PM me.

masameet
04-25-2011, 7:46 PM
Holy Moly!!!

I am glad you are on OUR side!!!

This is EPIC. . .

KLT

I'm glad puppy8a9 posted this thread and the blog article too, but he did not write the article. Wendy Lack did, and she will be at tomorrow night's meeting too.

oaklander
04-25-2011, 7:59 PM
Sweet!

That was well written!

I want to shake her hand tomorrow night.

:)

ALSO ALSO ALSO

I have reserved a larger room at a local hotel. I'm going to stay there after the "event" (I would normally stay with a friend in Oakland - but this is a straight shot into SF - and I need to go there for something on Wednesday).

SO:

I am going to have a little "party" afterwards!!! Every Calgunner is invited. You bring the stuff to drink. And I will provide hotel ice in plastic cups!!! (Such a deal). . .

I'll give address info for the hotel, after the event. Again, all Calgunners are welcome. For those of you who might not know other folks, this is a good way to meet us all, etc. . . And the hotel is "nice - but not so nice that we can't talk loudly about how awesome we are, etc. . . And how we did a good thing.

I'm glad puppy8a9 posted this thread and the blog article too, but he did not write the article. Wendy Lack did, and she will be at tomorrow night's meeting too.

puppy8a9
04-25-2011, 8:04 PM
Interesting fact: City Arms East had ZERO customers that identified themselvs as a members of PHPD. Are there any kind of internal memos in PHPD regarding this?:TFH:

2/7 item 7.7 formation of committee starting at 39 minutes into the meeting
http://pleasanthill.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=580

Skidmark
04-25-2011, 8:18 PM
About an hour ago I spoke with the author of this blog: http://www.halfwaytoconcord.com/pleasant-hill-gunning-for-second-amendment-rights/

She wants everybody to know that she updated the story -- with hyperlinks -- since puppy8a9 posted it.

She sounds like a great gal. She and her husband are both gun enthusiasts as well as Pleasant Hill residents. She'll be at tomorrow night's meeting and I hope to meet her. For sure, Calguns/CFN really should find a way to bring her and her husband onboard in some kind of advocacy position. Her writing and ability to synthesize information show her worth.

Halfway to Concord and Wendy Lack FTW!!!

puppy8a9
04-25-2011, 8:19 PM
I'm glad puppy8a9 posted this thread and the blog article too, but he did not write the article. Wendy Lack did, and she will be at tomorrow night's meeting too.

Wendy did a bang up job, she came across this after talking to my associate who I filled in with details I found. It is a circle of people involved, not just one. That is why the title is independent write up. Wendy now has additional information and details including records I have already requested and have possession of.

I hope Wendy, Thomas, Ken, Paul, John, Dave, Heather and the many others stay involved. I am glad others want to hold people accountable. I can say all participants who have been involved even those involved for shorter times will be showing up.

I am seeing the Tea Parties, GS2AC, CalGuns, Open Carry groups, and other groups are involved in this. We need to stand strong and keep active in defending our rights. This is what can move mountains for gun rights.

oaklander
04-25-2011, 8:22 PM
Puppy, I know we've communicated in the past on certain things, and I would like to invite you and the people you mention below to the after-party as well.

I do not want to exclude non-Calguns people, since are all "one" on this, as well as most other issues. Methods sometimes differ, but we agree on the main goal, etc. . .

Wendy did a bang up job, she came across this after talking to my associate who I filled in with details I found. It is a circle of people involved, not just one. That is why the title is independent write up. Wendy now has additional information and details including records I have already requested and have possession of.

I hope Wendy, Thomas, Ken, Paul, John, Dave, Heather and the many others stay involved. I am glad others want to hold people accountable. I can say all participants who have been involved even those involved for shorter times will be showing up.

I am seeing the Tea Parties, GS2AC, CalGuns, Open Carry groups, and other groups are involved in this. We need to stand strong and keep active in defending our rights. This is what can move mountains for gun rights.

oaklander
04-25-2011, 8:57 PM
Emeryville was instructive. My sense was that they didn't want people from Oakland coming into their little "artificial uptopia" and buying guns.

The fact that they had something like 10 armed LEO's there at various points, for a total room of 50 people, was also instructive. Did I mention that their C.O.P. allegedly wears Birkenstocks and actually travels around the state trying to convince lawmakers that "guns are bad??"

It's a weird alternate reality there in EV - that's for sure!!!

My guess is that Peasant Hill is the same. Oh wait, I think the demographics of Peasant Hill are significantly different enough from surrounding areas to make me kind of smell the same stench of subtle racism that I smelled back in Elmerville.

If this sort of thing does NOT disturb anyone who likes the concept of "rights" - I do not know what will. . .

:D

Oh, heck no. We had a nice Calguns showing when Emeryville has this particular wild hair. SF Bay Area is 'back yard' for LCAV.

It's 'back yard' for us, too. :chris:

BusBoy
04-25-2011, 9:22 PM
Sweet!

That was well written!

I want to shake her hand tomorrow night.

:)

ALSO ALSO ALSO

I have reserved a larger room at a local hotel. I'm going to stay there after the "event" (I would normally stay with a friend in Oakland - but this is a straight shot into SF - and I need to go there for something on Wednesday).

SO:

I am going to have a little "party" afterwards!!! Every Calgunner is invited. You bring the stuff to drink. And I will provide hotel ice in plastic cups!!! (Such a deal). . .

I'll give address info for the hotel, after the event. Again, all Calgunners are welcome. For those of you who might not know other folks, this is a good way to meet us all, etc. . . And the hotel is "nice - but not so nice that we can't talk loudly about how awesome we are, etc. . . And how we did a good thing.

Sweet I can meet the famous OAKLANDER!! :D

I'll be there! Also... I penned an email to another local blog... Claycord.Com its the largest newsblog in the area and is followed by MANY people. I asked him to look into the story and to a write up both before and after if he can.

Was there an organized talking point list mentioned or is this off the cuff speaking?? Unified delivery of a message? I didnt see anything and wanted to ask.

puppy8a9
04-25-2011, 9:22 PM
I wish I could kiss you now!

:kiss:

I may have to come. It's about 3 hours from here in traffic, but I'll bring my bike. And that means BUTTLESS CHAPS - FTW!!!

I'll pretend I don't know you guys, so they don't think we are all like me. . .

Oooo, Buttless chaps, I just ride with thigh high boots to protect my legs but I will have my van tomorrow to grab people from bart. City already knows me well for pink helmet and pink jacket and armed now they will have buttless chaps guy. If you want to stash them in my van you can while at the meeting. Mine is the Gun=Freedom and 2A lettered van.

...and yes I really do ride like that

tommyid1
04-25-2011, 9:36 PM
i have work till late and it would be pushing it but i can probably make it there by 730. should i show up in my hospital scrubbs or should i bring a change of clothes. and if so what should i wear?

oaklander
04-25-2011, 9:36 PM
LOL, I'm just a little guy, maybe 5 feet tall, and I have a receding hairline and and wear thick rimmed glasses, and stutter and stuff.

You won't even recognize me!!!! I just disappear in crowds.

;)

Sweet I can meet the famous OAKLANDER!! :D

oaklander
04-25-2011, 9:40 PM
LOL - I'm liking this crowd already!!!!

:D

We SERIOUSLY have fun fighting for our rights. That's why we are winning. This is actually FUN for us (and WORK TOO), but mostly fun. . .

The anti's act like they are pulling teeth when they do anything (more like gnashing of teeth). That hampers them, since they make this stuff "not fun" for themselves. . .

They kind of come at this from a position of "hate" - and we come at it from a position of "love."

They HATE rights.

We LOVE rights.

It's a simple equation. . .


Oooo, Buttless chaps, I just ride with thigh high boots to protect my legs but I will have my van tomorrow to grab people from bart. City already knows me well for pink helmet and pink jacket and armed now they will have buttless chaps guy. If you want to stash them in my van you can while at the meeting. Mine is the Gun=Freedom and 2A lettered van.

...and yes I really do ride like that

chiselchst
04-25-2011, 9:51 PM
...I penned an email to another local blog... Claycord.Com its the largest newsblog in the area and is followed by MANY people. I asked him to look into the story and to a write up both before and after if he can.

Excellent move! I searched their site and couldn't find anything regarding this matter...

I, too, am excited about meeting Oaklander - but from the front only considering the appearal he might wear... :eek:

oaklander
04-25-2011, 9:56 PM
LOL - I may go to hotel first and change into something more presentable. . .

I'm thinking a nice dress (j/k). . .

I do encourage folks to take many pics (to extent allowable by rules/law/etc.) - AND THEN POST HERE.

EPIC would be if someone would use a 4G phone and livestream some stuff into this thread (or new thread, etc.) - maybe using QIK ???

http://qik.com/

We CAN peacefully and legally "crowd source" this little hearing into an event that the entire state will be watching. Sunshine prevents mold.

oaklander
04-25-2011, 9:58 PM
Scrubs.

You are a working person, like me and all of us, and you have a legitimate reason to wear that stuff there. People need to see that folks from all walks of life are against this. I would urge people who *can* (i.e., are not prevented by certain rules) to just wear their "uniforms" there.

For the rest of us who do not wear uniforms, we will dress nicely. Or as nice as we can. We don't want to look like dorks with cheap clip-on ties, but we also don't want to look like we just got done working on our cars (unless we do that for a living). . .

Does this make sense?

ALSO - has this been posted yet?

Members of the audience wishing to speak on any matter must fill out a card and turn it in to the secretary. [. . .] Comments on any item under the Public Hearing portion of the agenda will be accepted only when the public hearing is opened for that item. Comments are limited to three minutes per speaker. [. . .]

Please be EXTRA nice to the secretary. He or she is our helper on this project, and will help us understand how to speak on the item, etc. . .

i have work till late and it would be pushing it but i can probably make it there by 730. should i show up in my hospital scrubbs or should i bring a change of clothes. and if so what should i wear?

Librarian
04-25-2011, 10:05 PM
LOL, I'm just a little guy, maybe 5 feet tall, and I have a receding hairline and and wear thick rimmed glasses, and stutter and stuff.

You won't even recognize me!!!! I just disappear in crowds.

;)

Yep, I've met him. Looks just like that. That is, if you've had a couple of beers or six, stand him next to Bill Weise, and squint just right.

chiselchst
04-25-2011, 10:33 PM
Members of the audience wishing to speak on any matter must fill out a card and turn it in to the secretary. Comments on any item under the Public Hearing portion of the agenda will be accepted only when the public hearing is opened for that item. Comments are limited to three minutes per speaker.

At some events I've attended (IIRC), folks that did not want to speak, could fill out their card, and yield it to another speaker. Not saying that will be the case Tuesday, but if it is, we should exploit that to our advantage...

(I won't be speaking, because I REALLY do stutter)

Swiss
04-25-2011, 11:04 PM
I'm going to be there. If there are special talking points PM me and I'll try an overcome my dislike for public speaking.

oaklander
04-26-2011, 12:35 AM
I actually DO stutter sometimes as well. . .

We are all just normal people who believe in something - this is REAL grassroots.

:)

At some events I've attended (IIRC), folks that did not want to speak, could fill out their card, and yield it to another speaker. Not saying that will be the case Tuesday, but if it is, we should exploit that to our advantage...

(I won't be speaking, because I REALLY do stutter)

oaklander
04-26-2011, 2:15 AM
Look what I found:

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rkt88edmo
04-26-2011, 6:46 AM
At some events I've attended (IIRC), folks that did not want to speak, could fill out their card, and yield it to another speaker. Not saying that will be the case Tuesday, but if it is, we should exploit that to our advantage...

(I won't be speaking, because I REALLY do stutter)

This probably will be the case, it may be best to identify the best speakers, I believe one of the earliest posts said that discussion is limited to 15 minutes, or 15 minutes per side, so very few will speak.

chiselchst
04-26-2011, 8:10 AM
This probably will be the case, it may be best to identify the best speakers, I believe one of the earliest posts said that discussion is limited to 15 minutes, or 15 minutes per side, so very few will speak.

I think it might have been 5 minutes per speaker...

jdberger
04-26-2011, 8:31 AM
3 minutes per speaker for the Council meetings. Planning commission might be a little different.

J

jdberger
04-26-2011, 8:47 AM
Confirmed. 3 minutes per speaker. Either we'll speak during public comment or before the agenda item. Pick up a speaker card when you enter the room and turn it in.

SIT UP FRONT

No signs, though maps and other demonstratives might be helpful.

Dress for success.

Wear a collared shirt.
No t-shirts.
No slogans.
No baseball caps.
No camouflage.

Let's make a good impression and convey to the planning department that the desires of one professional complainer isn't worth the loss of tax revenue, enormous legal bills, and the ire of the citizenry.

Not one inch.

wash
04-26-2011, 9:02 AM
I would suggest for anyone that fears public speaking to just jump in. After my third or fourth time speaking to city councils I became much more comfortable. If I hadn't gotten up there I would still be afraid.

You have to start somewhere, this is as good as any place.

I can give you a little coaching even.

oaklander
04-26-2011, 9:06 AM
Thanks JD for all your hard work on this!!!! Look forward to seeing you tonight!!!

:D

I miss my Bay Area buds. . .

The only thing I would add is to PLEASE EVERYONE be nice to EVERYONE. LCAV will be there, and be extra nice to them. Although we disagree with them, and I am actually making a little fun of JL's little public speaking FAIL in that video - they are NOT "bad people."

They believe in what they believe in - and we believe in what we believe in. Let's at least respect them for taking a stand (even though it's a wrong stand).

Although we poke fun at them - we do it in a good natured way ONLY. We DO NOT do it in a hateful way. We do it in a light-hearted way.

Everyone, please remember that we are the ones having fun here. It IS FUN being on the right side of an issue. And it IS FUN hanging out with friends. The correct way to think about any event like this is that it is a chance for us to show that we are just normal people, who strongly support (and fight for) a civil right.

That's why I am having a party after the event. We are celebrating things. We are not "hating" on anyone. Hating is for losers.

Celebrating is for winners!!!!

:D

Confirmed. 3 minutes per speaker. Either we'll speak during public comment or before the agenda item. Pick up a speaker card when you enter the room and turn it in.

SIT UP FRONT

No signs, though maps and other demonstratives might be helpful.

Dress for success.

Wear a collared shirt.
No t-shirts.
No slogans.
No baseball caps.
No camouflage.

Let's make a good impression and convey to the planning department that the desires of one professional complainer isn't worth the loss of tax revenue, enormous legal bills, and the ire of the citizenry.

Not one inch.

Zimz
04-26-2011, 9:34 AM
Also she said that in watching the Brady YT videos, she believes Brady is attempting to go city-by-city and get gun control ordinances introduced. So is Pleasant Hill among the first California municipalities (it is unincorporated) to get such cozy attention by Brady and LCAV?


While not the first or last city to try this, it dosen't surprise me. Pleasant Hill is where the CA chapter of the Brady bunch is based.

I may have to come. It's about 3 hours from here in traffic, but I'll bring my bike. And that means BUTTLESS CHAPS - FTW!!!

I'll pretend I don't know you guys, so they don't think we are all like me. . .


I'll probably be riding too, but I'll leave the buttless chaps wearing to you...

ivanimal
04-26-2011, 9:40 AM
Just finishing the draft of my rant! See you guys there, PM me or call me if you need anything.

oaklander
04-26-2011, 9:45 AM
Interesting, I'm such a dummy sometimes - I knew the location of Brady - but I didn't make the connection. Senior moment time!!!

Well, I guess that means that we'll have to be nice to the Brady bunch tonight as well.

LOL - on the CHAPS. I didn't realize how much FAIL is contained in chaps - I wore them for years and did not notice it. Until that stupid South Park episode with all the bikers. . .

Now, I'm like "crap, I hope it's not cold out there - I do not want to have to wear my chaps!!!"

:)

To give you an idea of how awesome the CGF guys are - I actually wore them through an entire CGF Board Meeting once. They were all polite enough to not even say anything about my attire. I know they were LOL'ing inside, though - but they were nice enough to not say anything to me!!!!!

While not the first or last city to try this, it dosen't surprise me. Pleasant Hill is where the CA chapter of the Brady bunch is based.



I'll probably be riding too, but I'll leave the buttless chaps wearing to you...

thedrickel
04-26-2011, 9:47 AM
Honestly guys if you are preparing something, I would have a backup plan if (WHEN) they see how many people have shown up and decide to cut your time from 3 minutes to 1. (as has happened at every city council meeting so far)

Librarian
04-26-2011, 9:52 AM
Honestly guys if you are preparing something, I would have a backup plan if (WHEN) they see how many people have shown up and decide to cut your time from 3 minutes to 1. (as has happened at every city council meeting so far)

Yes, that's a good idea. I was going to suggest to Ivan that he read his rant aloud to a stopwatch, and be sure it ran under 3 minutes. Same advice to everyone who plans to speak.

Besides squeezing every possible dollar out of a broadcast hour, there's a reason bubblegum radio limited its songs to the notional "3:05" - the short attention span of listeners.

wash
04-26-2011, 9:53 AM
I think it's when you don't ride a motorcycle, you have a Village People/Freddy Mercury moustache and you're wearing a leather vest without a shirt that ***-less chaps have a bad connotation.

Zachs300zx
04-26-2011, 10:46 AM
While not the first or last city to try this, it dosen't surprise me. Pleasant Hill is where the CA chapter of the Brady bunch is based

Ewwww, I live in the same city as the Brady bunch home base! I'll be there tonight. Gotta see which neighbors to watch out for :43:

oaklander
04-26-2011, 11:03 AM
Oh crap!!!

I think it's when you don't ride a motorcycle, you have a Village People/Freddy Mercury moustache and you're wearing a leather vest without a shirt that ***-less chaps have a bad connotation.

PEBKAC
04-26-2011, 11:04 AM
I am afraid I won't be able to make this one unfortunately. :(

Meaning I'm part of the telecommuting cheering section. :p

Dooligan
04-26-2011, 11:24 AM
If you don't want to speak but just show support, is there anything you can do to help? I would like to attend, but with the list of speakers from this thread, I feel that we are covered.

What is the best way to help for someone who does not want to speak?

(I'll be there with the GF after 7:30...)

wash
04-26-2011, 11:31 AM
We want to pack the house, so show up!

Make sure you look presentable.

Even Red was able to clean up nice at Nordyke 3D, so no excuses.

Swiss
04-26-2011, 11:39 AM
Anyone have details on how the public forum part will go? Is each speaker limited to 3 minutes, or is there an overall time limit for all pro/con presentations?

Librarian
04-26-2011, 12:04 PM
Anyone have details on how the public forum part will go? Is each speaker limited to 3 minutes, or is there an overall time limit for all pro/con presentations?

Both the 3-minute limit/speaker, and probably 15 min total.

These things have been known to get switched to 1 min/speaker, and sometimes longer total time.

oaklander
04-26-2011, 12:12 PM
In case they cut it down even shorter to like 10 seconds or something, I was just going to say, "don't do it, or you will get sued."

:D

That's really our basic message. They already know the public policy on this is weak. They aren't stupid. They are simply trying to look like they are "fighting crime" to score points with voters.

They know that, and we know that.

The essential message here is "you will get sued, and it will cost you money that you do not have."

That is all they need to know at this point. Seriously.

If we give them the public policy reasons to reject the idea, then they can take those back to the voters to cover their political behinds. That's about the only reason that we even need to get complicated here on public policy issues.

Again, the above falls into the category of "things I should probably not say online - but it's the truth." The dynamics here are simple. We just need to explain those dynamics.

Oakland and "Elmerville" did not listen, now they are getting sued, and they will lose. Every city that has tried this has either STOPPED before doing it, or been sued (and lost).

This is not hard to explain to them. We are seriously doing them a favor by pointing out how expensive the LCAV kool-aid is. . .

Both the 3-minute limit/speaker, and probably 15 min total.

These things have been known to get switched to 1 min/speaker, and sometimes longer total time.

N6ATF
04-26-2011, 12:19 PM
People who want to make innocent people defenseless by violating human rights are not what I'd call "not bad people". That would be like saying the KKK and the Third Reich had good intentions.

blakdawg
04-26-2011, 12:23 PM
FYI - the memo from LCAV is authored by Laura Cutilletta. A person named Laura Cutilletta is shown as an owner of real property located in Pleasant Hill.

thedrickel
04-26-2011, 12:31 PM
In case they cut it down even shorter to like 10 seconds or something, I was just going to say, "don't do it, or you will get sued."

:D

That's really our basic message. They already know the public policy on this is weak. They aren't stupid. They are simply trying to look like they are "fighting crime" to score points with voters.

They know that, and we know that.

The essential message here is "you will get sued, and it will cost you money that you do not have."

That is all they need to know at this point. Seriously.

If we give them the public policy reasons to reject the idea, then they can take those back to the voters to cover their political behinds. That's about the only reason that we even need to get complicated here on public policy issues.

Again, the above falls into the category of "things I should probably not say online - but it's the truth." The dynamics here are simple. We just need to explain those dynamics.

Oakland and "Elmerville" did not listen, now they are getting sued, and they will lose. Every city that has tried this has either STOPPED before doing it, or been sued (and lost).

This is not hard to explain to them. We are seriously doing them a favor by pointing out how expensive the LCAV kool-aid is. . .

It's Pleasant Hill . . . they probably have gobs of money to throw around. :TFH:

oaklander
04-26-2011, 12:31 PM
There is some logic in this. Let me rethink. . .

People who want to make innocent people defenseless by violating human rights are not what I'd call "not bad people". That would be like saying the KKK and the Third Reich had good intentions.

yakmon
04-26-2011, 12:37 PM
It's Pleasant Hill . . . they probably have gobs of money to throw around. :TFH:

well, if they pass this, some of that money will go into CGF coffers.

blakdawg
04-26-2011, 12:42 PM
It's Pleasant Hill . . . they probably have gobs of money to throw around. :TFH:

Not really - the city is projecting a $1.9 million deficit by the end of 2013, and they are reducing health and retirement benefits to city employees.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_17776852

N6ATF
04-26-2011, 12:42 PM
Should ask them:
"Would you like to cut a $3 million check to the Calguns Foundation and drop this proposed ordinance now, or would you like to cut it after you pass this ordinance and lose in court?"

wash
04-26-2011, 12:52 PM
It wouldn't be $3,000,000.00, it might be more like $150,000.00.

Three million is for a case that gets to SCOTUS.

jdberger
04-26-2011, 12:55 PM
Actually, it's estimated that after all was said and done, San Francisco spent just south of $1MM on Fiscal (Prop H). IIRC, $300K went to Chuck Michel et al.

Edit: $380K to Plaintiffs. Approx $200K to their own counsel + "equal value of lawyers time donated to the City for the unsuccessful defense of this case, the total costs to City taxpayers in defending against Proposition H, a civilian disarmament attempt, approaches $800,000. "

http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/NewsReleases.aspx?id=12098

wash
04-26-2011, 12:59 PM
Yeah, but would pleasant hill go that big?

I think that our lawyers could bank on $150,000.00

jdberger
04-26-2011, 1:13 PM
Doesn't matter. What would you, as a taxpayer prefer your city spend your money on? Lawyers or Librarians?

No one thought Nordyke v King would run over a decade. Can you imagine the legal fees for that one? 3 times to the 9th Circuit? Preparing 3 times? One en banc panel?

The County of Alameda was probably counting on a quick and painless win like they got in Great Western v LA - instead, they took crappy legal advice from lawyers who are tops in their fields when it comes to taxes or intellectual property, but haven't a clue when it comes to civil rights or guns. Thus, they've been spanked by various courts around the country - and they're costing the Cities who they bamboozle into enacting this poorly thought out legislation, millions upon millions of dollars in legal fees and civil rights judgements.

Honestly, the Cities would be better off taking advice from the Flat Earthers.

Librarian
04-26-2011, 1:23 PM
Doesn't matter. What would you, as a taxpayer prefer your city spend your money on? Lawyers or Librarians?
I vote for Librarians, every time.

No one thought Nordyke v King would run over a decade. Can you imagine the legal fees for that one? 3 times to the 9th Circuit? Preparing 3 times? One en banc panel?

The County of Alameda was probably counting on a quick and painless win like they got in Great Western v LA - instead, they took crappy legal advice from lawyers who are tops in their fields when it comes to taxes or intellectual property, but haven't a clue when it comes to civil rights or guns. Thus, they've been spanked by various courts around the country - and they're costing the Cities who they bamboozle into enacting this poorly thought out legislation, millions upon millions of dollars in legal fees and civil rights judgements.

Honestly, the Cities would be better off taking advice from the Flat Earthers.

Are they still around? By golly, they are (http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/). I think Chicago and DC have been taking lessons in persistence from the FES.

wash
04-26-2011, 1:26 PM
I get it, I just like a realistic number rather than some hyperbole.

If you say three million, they will think "of course it's not three million" and not worry about the money.

When you say $150,000.00 and they ask their legal council about it, they will have to say it's entirely possible.

I'm guessing that's about two librarians or maybe 1.5 cops.

BusBoy
04-26-2011, 2:11 PM
LOL - I may go to hotel first and change into something more presentable. . .

I'm thinking a nice dress (j/k). . .

I do encourage folks to take many pics (to extent allowable by rules/law/etc.) - AND THEN POST HERE.

EPIC would be if someone would use a 4G phone and livestream some stuff into this thread (or new thread, etc.) - maybe using QIK ???

http://qik.com/

We CAN peacefully and legally "crowd source" this little hearing into an event that the entire state will be watching. Sunshine prevents mold.

Signed up and created a Qik account... The test video I shot looks like crap. The AT&T network still has a ways to go and the wifes Xoom hasnt been converted to 4G yet. I'll film and upload HD from the iPhone and when I get home I'll post it. Might take some still shot of peeps also.

Dooligan
04-26-2011, 3:25 PM
Well, I'm looking forward to meeting all of you there...I will do my best to introduce myself. Off to dinner with the family!

timdps
04-26-2011, 3:53 PM
Oakland and "Elmerville" did not listen, now they are getting sued, and they will lose. Every city that has tried this has either STOPPED before doing it, or been sued (and lost).


Need to list ALL the cities that ARE being sued and well as the smart ones who did NOT adopt the ordinances to PREVENT being sued.

Tim

unusedusername
04-26-2011, 5:07 PM
Have arrived. Is there a meeting place picked?

wash
04-26-2011, 5:12 PM
Same here, I'm at Peets coffee using their wifi.

It's at crescent plaza and crescent dr.

chiselchst
04-26-2011, 5:13 PM
I predict, if turnout is good, they'll see the amount of speaker cards, and respond accordingly...

Leaving now :D

unusedusername
04-26-2011, 5:17 PM
Heading to petes with my iPad...

BusBoy
04-26-2011, 5:17 PM
Whoa... early! Sweet.. well if there is a "meeting place" decided please let me know and I'll swing out there as soon as the wife gets home... I'm dragging her out with me so she can watch. :D

Does anyone know if I can take photographs inside where this will be going down?

haiedras
04-26-2011, 5:48 PM
on the way, see you guys there!

unusedusername
04-26-2011, 6:15 PM
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5026/5659465389_7c3fc89db5_b.jpg

Something changed, can someone put IMG tags around this?

yakmon
04-26-2011, 6:21 PM
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5026/5659465389_7c3fc89db5_b.jpg

any streaming audio/video ?

SierraApril
04-26-2011, 6:21 PM
Beat me to it :)

yakmon
04-26-2011, 6:23 PM
my fingers are quick! it's all the video gaming....

unusedusername
04-26-2011, 6:24 PM
There is a video set up in the room, I dont know if it streams though...

SierraApril
04-26-2011, 6:41 PM
my fingers are quick! it's all the video gaming....

Well, I only learned how to do that yesterday, so I was happy just to remember how!

So...does this mean that the issue won't be discussed at tonight's meeting at all and that everyone went there for nothing?

jdberger
04-26-2011, 6:44 PM
Here we go. The room is packed with gunnies. We have the front row

Karen Arntzen is here with about 4 people. She was talking to the City Atty Brenda Margolis.

The meeting might be streamed. There are plenty of cameras.

unusedusername
04-26-2011, 6:45 PM
We can (and will) still make our point. I think the letter from Chuck Michel's office was quite convincing.

If we don't make our point then we may need to come back later, so now is a really good time to be heard.

Also, since it isnt obvious, that photo is from the planninc comission agenda, which is defferent from what is posted online. Ill scan/post it tomorrow.

jdberger
04-26-2011, 6:49 PM
Anyone want to do sow quick opposition research on the planning commission folks? Googletheir name and gun.

jdberger
04-26-2011, 6:50 PM
Wallace
Vavrek
Bonato
Abbot
Flaherty
Mascaro

yakmon
04-26-2011, 7:19 PM
i was gaming but i can check it out now hang on
wallace came up with nothing....
vavrek, nothing
only relavent link on bonato is this (http://www.yog-sothoth.com/threads/7258-My-turn-to-ask-for-scenario-help...)
dunno if it helps didnt read it all
abbot only turned up some limey shotgun stuff. irrelevant.
flaherty turned up a gun dealer in canada....
the last guy's name turns up with a shooting in new york.
i'm googling * + gun if there's some other search you want done different terms or search, just drop a post.

SierraApril
04-26-2011, 7:29 PM
I didn't come up with anything useful, either, but was afraid it might just be due to my less-than-masterful Google skills. All I got was that there's a Flaherty who's an FFL in Simi Valley.

jdberger
04-26-2011, 7:33 PM
We are winning so far. The commission seems t like us so far.

yakmon
04-26-2011, 7:41 PM
:party: are you guys recordng audio?

unusedusername
04-26-2011, 7:58 PM
One person appears to be recordong A/V on an iPad2. (not me)


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jdberger
04-26-2011, 8:00 PM
One of the RCOC guys was taking video.

jdberger
04-26-2011, 8:03 PM
The following Calgunners have spoken ( that I know)

Ivanimal
Wash
Oaklander
Jdberger
KC Brown
Librarian
Window_Seat

And a bunch of others who I don't know their user names.

tommyid1
04-26-2011, 8:10 PM
I just spoke. I didn't plan on it, in fact I specifically said on the comment card that I didn't want to speak lol. I just gave a little speal about life liberty and property and that they are going to legislate two companies out of town that are conducting lawful buisness on their property. And that I think its terrible that they are going to destroy their faculties and abilities to work and earn a living. I urged them to find a compelling argument that there is a safety concern and present it to us if they could.

In more or less words. And not so smoothly lol I had 3 minutes to prepare

Sent from my Droid using Tapatalk

NotEnufGarage
04-26-2011, 8:19 PM
Good job, guys!!!!!

Post pics from the afterparty, please.

yakmon
04-26-2011, 8:23 PM
you can kindly skip the ***-less chaps pics, though. and post the audio! upload from oak's hotel wireless, they wont mind!

SierraApril
04-26-2011, 8:26 PM
Wish I could have been there to see you guys in action. Can't wait for the pics and follow-up report!!

unusedusername
04-26-2011, 8:29 PM
try this?

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/unusedusername2

yakmon
04-26-2011, 8:29 PM
calguns warpath moshes on! cant wait for an after action report.

NotEnufGarage
04-26-2011, 8:29 PM
try this?

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/unusedusername2

Channel is offline...

unusedusername
04-26-2011, 8:31 PM
phone says its broadcasting

NotEnufGarage
04-26-2011, 8:32 PM
Channel is offline...

Seems to be working now.

yakmon
04-26-2011, 8:33 PM
logged in!

yakmon
04-26-2011, 8:34 PM
i gave up sex drugs and rock and roll for my wife my HD and target shooting, !WIN!

jdberger
04-26-2011, 8:36 PM
davidoff & SoupNazi

bluenoise
04-26-2011, 8:37 PM
I wasn't able to attend but my wife was there. She said there were some Calgunners there, so I'm guessing she overheard some conversation (she's not home, yet, but she texted me some updates). It sounds like there was a good turnout.

Swiss
04-26-2011, 8:38 PM
Everybody cheered the American Legion and the Marine from Okinawa. :-)

yakmon
04-26-2011, 8:40 PM
the marine was good, the dude before him talking about single malts was win. the dude in the tan jacket was good!

SierraApril
04-26-2011, 8:40 PM
It's working on my laptop. Thanks for making it available!! Wish I had better speakers on this thing.

rrr70
04-26-2011, 8:41 PM
The following Calgunners have spoken ( that I know)


Oaklander



WINNING!!!

yakmon
04-26-2011, 8:42 PM
headphones or earbuds > laptop speakers!

unusedusername
04-26-2011, 8:42 PM
This is broadcasting from an iPhone4 over 3g as there is no wifi...

Also it seems that the planning comission is listening, very different from Oakland.

yakmon
04-26-2011, 8:42 PM
the dude in the grey sweatshirt with messenger bag is win!

yakmon
04-26-2011, 8:44 PM
grey sports coat is mega win! says restrauts who server alcohol are a bigger problem to the police than legal sales of guns and ammo.

Swiss
04-26-2011, 8:45 PM
Charlie Sheen was a win. And so is a room full of gun owners reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in one resounding voice

SierraApril
04-26-2011, 8:46 PM
headphones or earbuds > laptop speakers!

Thanks! Dug some up and can hear it clearly now.

jdberger
04-26-2011, 8:47 PM
2 opposed so far.

yakmon
04-26-2011, 8:47 PM
blue flannel dude is full of waffle. seems he said a bunch about nothing...

Drivedabizness
04-26-2011, 8:47 PM
I'm not a mind reader...but I'd be willing to bet a lot of Planning Commission members are sitting there going "why in the %*ck did I let Durant/Harris talk me into this crap?"

I'm listening to the guy who came their in favor of the resolution and has changed his mind !WIN!

rrr70
04-26-2011, 8:50 PM
blue flannel dude is full of waffle. seems he said a bunch about nothing...

True

yakmon
04-26-2011, 8:51 PM
well done with the video, btw. not shaking too badly audio is good.

jdberger
04-26-2011, 8:51 PM
Blue flannel is sitting next to the LCAV attorney. Awfully nice of him to back her up.

jdberger
04-26-2011, 8:52 PM
30-2

yakmon
04-26-2011, 8:54 PM
if the blue blouse woman shows up at the after party, buy her a drink, from me!

NotEnufGarage
04-26-2011, 8:55 PM
The older lady in the dark blue shirt is 100% win.. This is exactly the kind of person we need speaking for our side, as well as the others who showed up. It's a great mix of the community at large.

yakmon
04-26-2011, 8:56 PM
blue pant suit woman, is this karen? she said shes brady.

laughed in her face! win!

Drivedabizness
04-26-2011, 8:58 PM
Audio just went haywire...sounds like a jet taking off

MrPlink
04-26-2011, 8:58 PM
30-2

has it been voted on already?

30 for or opposed?

Im trying to watch the feed but my connection keeps dropping...


I used to live in this area, and moved shortly after City Arms opened up.
IIRC they said the city supported them moving in..

NotEnufGarage
04-26-2011, 8:58 PM
To the old biddy in the light blue pants suit - Those opposed to the ordinance put together their response to this in two days without any special notice from the commission. Why should anyone else, interested or not, get special notice. If they care, they'd keep themselves informed.

jdberger
04-26-2011, 8:58 PM
Coughing, harrumphing, etc during the opposition's speaking time is rude.

ZirconJohn
04-26-2011, 8:58 PM
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/unusedusername2

Who ever is streaming this VID... Thank You...! :yes:

yakmon
04-26-2011, 8:58 PM
a law abiding gun owner would support this. guess what, you're in a room full of gun owning law abiding people who think you're full of ****.

yakmon
04-26-2011, 9:00 PM
now, commentery on black sweater woman

she's spewing brady male bovine feces.

MrPlink
04-26-2011, 9:00 PM
ok, just got it to work.

What the heck is this lady talking about?

Nobody was informed?

I found out about City Arms opening from the RADIO!

jdberger
04-26-2011, 9:01 PM
Karen Arntzen is claiming that the Bradys didn't show because she didn't think it was on the agenda. Surprisingly she knew.

SierraApril
04-26-2011, 9:01 PM
I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I think this woman bumped her head.

NotEnufGarage
04-26-2011, 9:02 PM
Can we have the same kind of "transparency" that the Obama administration is famous for, Karen?

yakmon
04-26-2011, 9:03 PM
the vid quit with the dude in the red sweatjacket. nm, its back but upside down.

unusedusername
04-26-2011, 9:03 PM
Sorry about the drop, my arm got tired so I needed to prop up the phone on a table.

yakmon
04-26-2011, 9:04 PM
someone's gotta say it!
:gura: says hi!!!

yakmon
04-26-2011, 9:05 PM
vid is right side up, thanks!

yakmon
04-26-2011, 9:06 PM
red haired woman makes sense, (i didn't dig her dodgers crack, but i'll let that slide, on this issue)

yakmon
04-26-2011, 9:07 PM
older gent, black slacks, is win. well done to him! buy that man a cocktail.

NotEnufGarage
04-26-2011, 9:08 PM
Lots of win and just a little bit of fail on this feed!

yakmon
04-26-2011, 9:10 PM
building owner for diablo valley gun works, coulda dressed up a bit, but had good stuff to say.

MrPlink
04-26-2011, 9:11 PM
outside of Diablo and City arms, are there any other brick and mortar FFLs in P-Hill?

ZirconJohn
04-26-2011, 9:11 PM
Black suit guy is AWSOME!!! :yes:

yakmon
04-26-2011, 9:11 PM
dark suit dude is clowning the bradys! WIN! BUY THAT DUDE A 12'er!!!!!!

ZirconJohn
04-26-2011, 9:12 PM
Was that Oaklander just walked by...?

Zachs300zx
04-26-2011, 9:12 PM
<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/gwoNgKsAaeg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Guess I fail at embedding videos..

http://youtu.be/gwoNgKsAaeg

Audio/Poor video of the LCAV lawyer. Im sure someone else will post better video later.

Drivedabizness
04-26-2011, 9:13 PM
That's the kind of arrogant, deeply disconnected kind of thinking (on the part of the gal from Brady, not the last poster) that turns off independents and will help us win.

That said, being rude doesn't help us

unusedusername
04-26-2011, 9:13 PM
yes Oaklander is here

SierraApril
04-26-2011, 9:13 PM
I understand there are only 2 FFLs in PH.

Black suit guy was excellent!

And, yes...that was Oaklander. Wish we could have heard him and all the earlier guys speak, too.

yakmon
04-26-2011, 9:14 PM
blue sweater dude, is good, good argument. and he brought up the meat of the deal. preemption!

unusedusername
04-26-2011, 9:15 PM
Wish we could have heard him and all the earlier guys speak, too.

I only found this iPhone app after I got here, so this is a trial run. If it works well I can do it on future meetings as well.

SierraApril
04-26-2011, 9:17 PM
I onky found this iPhone after I got here, so this is a trial run.

I was definitely not criticizing. This is excellent, and I appreciate you making it possible for us to watch!!!

All I meant was that our speakers have been so great that it would have been fun to hear them all.

bluenoise
04-26-2011, 9:19 PM
Thank you very much for streaming this.

N6ATF
04-26-2011, 9:19 PM
Sounds like the last speaker's talking right now. Should have a vote soon?

unusedusername
04-26-2011, 9:21 PM
They are not voting tonight, the resolution was pulled until later...

yakmon
04-26-2011, 9:21 PM
light shirt dude. good arguement, i think it will fall on deaf ears, spent too much time on hunting, in an area where hunting is non existent.

blakdawg
04-26-2011, 9:21 PM
Supposedly the only thing they will do tonite is give instructions to staff.

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blakdawg
04-26-2011, 9:22 PM
Puppy speaking now.

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ZirconJohn
04-26-2011, 9:23 PM
Black pant-suit woman... she a CalGunner...?

jdberger
04-26-2011, 9:23 PM
Final Calgunners.

Purple K
DanTodd
Puppy8a9

SierraApril
04-26-2011, 9:23 PM
That's puppy? The woman in the dark outfit?

blakdawg
04-26-2011, 9:24 PM
Yes that's Puppy.

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yakmon
04-26-2011, 9:24 PM
she's saying that the bradys (and karen what's her name) by name calling them out as a special intrest group that dosnt need to be listened too as they are full of ****. she's win.

ZirconJohn
04-26-2011, 9:25 PM
Puppy... thank you Puppy... you are AWESOME...!!!!! :yes:

yakmon
04-26-2011, 9:25 PM
feed is dead, is it over?

SierraApril
04-26-2011, 9:25 PM
She was excellent!!

blakdawg
04-26-2011, 9:26 PM
Right on, good point PPT dude.

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unusedusername
04-26-2011, 9:26 PM
Phone battery failing.... got a little bit left

ZirconJohn
04-26-2011, 9:28 PM
Oh ya... back on... thank you! :thumbsup:

Rem222
04-26-2011, 9:28 PM
Thanks unusedusername !!!!

And all of you that showed up....

blakdawg
04-26-2011, 9:28 PM
Public comments over. Committee member
asking staff wtf they are supposed to be doing with this hairball.


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yakmon
04-26-2011, 9:29 PM
my verdict! remember, i'm preaching to the choir here... but if this went against us, the brady's must have found some of those few dollars they do have. as i understand it, it's been put off for a later date. but we're watching! and waiting!

Drivedabizness
04-26-2011, 9:29 PM
Thanks much for the vid feed!

berto
04-26-2011, 9:29 PM
Karen Arntzen is claiming that the Bradys didn't show because she didn't think it was on the agenda. Surprisingly she knew.

Ha! A door to door shuttle for everyone they could muster would require one short bus and have some empty seats.

Bummed I missed the fun tonight.

yakmon
04-26-2011, 9:30 PM
well done unnamedusername, backup batteries are the win

unusedusername
04-26-2011, 9:30 PM
Rep Flaherty asked why they brought this up at all...

Yup gotta get a backup battery...

Greg Fuz is defending ordinance

yakmon
04-26-2011, 9:30 PM
i coulda drove the bradys over in my civic, if they payed me enough, woulda only taken one trip!

yakmon
04-26-2011, 9:33 PM
vid is back, !!

blakdawg
04-26-2011, 9:33 PM
Cmte member asks what was the point of bringing up potential zoning restrictions? City staff dude sez public safety subcmte not sure abt distance rules but wants to add oppty to restrict opening new gun stores.

City atty sez no data showing problems from existing gun stores.
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tommyid1
04-26-2011, 9:34 PM
I can't remember but who was the gentleman sitting next to the chairman?

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