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scorpio66
04-22-2011, 1:33 PM
Howdy all,

I'm looking to add a smaller piece to my arsenal and was hoping to hear from you all regarding your thoughts on both of these guns. I'm a small female so I want the option of having a smaller gun instead of just the Walther P99 that I have. I also have a Remy 870.

newglockster
04-22-2011, 1:45 PM
Here is a couple quality youtube videos by a highly respected man. Hope they help!

http://www.youtube.com/user/hickok45#p/c/B4EB76FCA4C52E34/0/nKSvmMLJt_0

http://www.youtube.com/user/hickok45#p/u/1/0Av9COfLB_Y

scorpio66
04-22-2011, 1:55 PM
Here is a couple quality youtube videos by a highly respected man. Hope they help!

http://www.youtube.com/user/hickok45#p/c/B4EB76FCA4C52E34/0/nKSvmMLJt_0

http://www.youtube.com/user/hickok45#p/u/1/0Av9COfLB_Y

Sweet...thanks newglockster!

Jack L
04-22-2011, 2:09 PM
PM9 ! I would only have the .380 as a last resort. Too expensive of ammo, to small of caliber.

Serafino
04-22-2011, 2:45 PM
How do you want to carry it?

mala in se
04-22-2011, 2:47 PM
I have an MK9 (stainless steel fram & silde version of PM9) and it shoots beautifully. The trigger is nice and crisp. I think the trigger is about 12lbs, but it breaks real clean. I opted for the MK9 because the PM9 was just too light even though recoil was minimal in 9mm. I would pass on .380.

Cokebottle
04-22-2011, 2:48 PM
PM9 ! I would only have the .380 as a last resort. Too expensive of ammo, to small of caliber.
This.

If I'm going to spend more than I do for 9mm, it's going to be on .45acp or .38-Super.

.380 and .32acp are "boot guns"

San Bernardino County used to require 9mm +P as the minimum for listing on your CCW. That is no longer the case, but they strongly recommend nothing "lighter"

brianm767
04-22-2011, 3:06 PM
I have both and it totally depends on how your going to carry it, My P380 will only be for when I want to pocket carry, If I am carrying in any other way, then it's the PM9 all the way.

If in a holster or purse, get a PM9

scorpio66
04-22-2011, 3:55 PM
How do you want to carry it?
Wishful thinking here in Cali. as CCW but since not fortunate to have that privilege, around the house in a holster and as something that "can" be concealed.

From looking @ the specs., they are pretty much the same size with the .380 being a bit lighter.

scorpio66
04-22-2011, 3:58 PM
I have both and it totally depends on how your going to carry it, My P380 will only be for when I want to pocket carry, If I am carrying in any other way, then it's the PM9 all the way.

If in a holster or purse, get a PM9
Pocket carry? Your in Cali...

1911su16b870
04-22-2011, 5:31 PM
PM9 is a great gun after you break it in with 500+ rounds, and is small enough for pocket carry.

Jack L
04-22-2011, 6:08 PM
I have an MK9 (stainless steel fram & silde version of PM9) and it shoots beautifully. The trigger is nice and crisp. I think the trigger is about 12lbs, but it breaks real clean. I opted for the MK9 because the PM9 was just too light even though recoil was minimal in 9mm. I would pass on .380.

The MK9 is a fine handgun. That's my next purchase.

redcliff
04-22-2011, 6:33 PM
Pocket carry? Your in Cali...

Apparently you're under the impression you can't get a ccw in California? Many counties do issue them. I've had one for 30 years. Post your county of location.

I also have both a PM9 and a P380. For pure pocket carry in a front pant pocket in pocket holster the P380 is the cats meow. However for holster/purse/coat pocket carry than the PM9 is my choice due to the ammunition selection and potential stopping power.

scorpio66
04-22-2011, 7:12 PM
Apparently you're under the impression you can't get a ccw in California? Many counties do issue them. I've had one for 30 years. Post your county of location.

I also have both a PM9 and a P380. For pure pocket carry in a front pant pocket in pocket holster the P380 is the cats meow. However for holster/purse/coat pocket carry than the PM9 is my choice due to the ammunition selection and potential stopping power.

Alameda Co. - FORGET IT

mattmcg
04-22-2011, 9:55 PM
Both are excellent pocket pistols. I'd suggest going to a local gun shop and trying both out. The P380 is even smaller than the PM9 but still handleable.

I've got both and enjoy and use them both.

scorpio66
04-22-2011, 10:05 PM
Both are excellent pocket pistols. I'd suggest going to a local gun shop and trying both out. The P380 is even smaller than the PM9 but still handleable.

I've got both and enjoy and use them both.

I'm gonna try & get to a shop tomorrow. Thanks

dexter9659
04-22-2011, 11:00 PM
CW9- Good compact gun. 9mm is as small as I would go for a primary backup. Shot my friend's Kahr p380.... I classify it as an underware gun: tiny, expensive to shoot, and the caliber is anemic.

Cokebottle
04-23-2011, 5:17 PM
expensive to shoot
+10,000 on that.

I just checked at Wally World. WWB 100rd value packs... $23 for 9mm, $32 for .380

50% more for less brass and powder?

Steve G
04-23-2011, 5:34 PM
I love my P380. They have a CA version in the case at Retting's.

a1c
04-23-2011, 8:13 PM
My wife is 5'2 and 120 lbs. and she loves her PM9. She does also want a P239 though. She doesn't want anything in .380 - she prosecuted a case a while back where a guy survived a point blank shot in the chest from a PPK and swore since she would only trust something in 9mm. :)

Jack L
04-23-2011, 8:51 PM
+10,000 on that.

I just checked at Wally World. WWB 100rd value packs... $23 for 9mm, $32 for .380

50% more for less brass and powder?

Crazy but true.

scorpio66
04-23-2011, 9:33 PM
My wife is 5'2 and 120 lbs. and she loves her PM9. She does also want a P239 though. She doesn't want anything in .380 - she prosecuted a case a while back where a guy survived a point blank shot in the chest from a PPK and swore since she would only trust something in 9mm. :)

Good to know! I'm really leaning towards the PM9 and I am of similar stature of your wife being 15Lbs lighter. Just curious as what she thinks of the tension on the slide?

a1c
04-23-2011, 9:40 PM
Good to know! I'm really leaning towards the PM9 and I am of similar stature of your wife being 15Lbs lighter. Just curious as what she thinks of the tension on the slide?

Yeah, that slide is a PITA to pull back and lock. But it gets easier once the gun is broken in. She got used to it, but it's true it's not the most convenient.

brianm767
04-23-2011, 10:05 PM
Pocket carry? Your in Cali...

Fresno County baby!!

Sheriff Mimms even had a spot on the news where she flat out said, (it was about women and guns) I feel if a woman wants to carry a concealed gun for her protection, then I feel she has the right to do so, she rocks!! Only bad is, the wait time now is probably about a year. But Fresno PD is issuing and there your probably looking at a month or so?

ColdC
04-24-2011, 6:24 AM
PM9. Really like mine. I also have a Colt .380; there is a big difference between these two rounds. I believe in keeping my handguns limited to "service" rounds due to price, variety and availability.

sd_shooter
04-24-2011, 7:03 AM
+10,000 on that.

I just checked at Wally World. WWB 100rd value packs... $23 for 9mm, $32 for .380

50% more for less brass and powder?

I can't believe people are complaining about ammo price when it comes to a CCW gun!

1) 45 ACP is the same price as the above listed 380. Tons of people shoot 45 and of course they complain that it's never in stock at Wally! No complaining about the price, there's just not enough ammo to go around.
2) How much are you really going to shoot through your tiny 380 carry gun? Probably not that much after the initial 500 rounds to break it in. So that's $150 in ammo. Not that much more after spending $700 on the gun...

So you'd "save" $75-100 by going 9mm. If comfort is the deciding factor between carrying or not carrying, then just get the 380. At least the ammo tends to always be in stock these days at my local Wally, don't know about yours. I'm saving up for my P380 :D

bw762308
04-24-2011, 9:45 AM
I had an MK9 (same size as PM9 just heavier, metal frame) and sold it and got a P380 because I really needed something much smaller. And for times when I could use something bigger, my Glock 19 wasn't much harder to carry than the MK9.

So if for your purposes, the PM9 is small and light enough, than thats the one to get. However, both are great guns.

Cokebottle
04-24-2011, 11:16 AM
2) How much are you really going to shoot through your tiny 380 carry gun? Probably not that much after the initial 500 rounds to break it in. So that's $150 in ammo. Not that much more after spending $700 on the gun...
I run at a minimum 200rds/month through each of my handguns.
That's just FMJ.
They'll get an initial 200 or so (minimum 50) JHP to ensure that they run well with a particular brand and load.

scorpio66
04-24-2011, 11:21 AM
Fresno County baby!!

Sheriff Mimms even had a spot on the news where she flat out said, (it was about women and guns) I feel if a woman wants to carry a concealed gun for her protection, then I feel she has the right to do so, she rocks!! Only bad is, the wait time now is probably about a year. But Fresno PD is issuing and there your probably looking at a month or so?

I don't mean this to sound prejudice at all but I think women should have the right to choose to CCW if they want to for protection.

scorpio66
04-24-2011, 11:30 AM
I can't believe people are complaining about ammo price when it comes to a CCW gun!

1) 45 ACP is the same price as the above listed 380. Tons of people shoot 45 and of course they complain that it's never in stock at Wally! No complaining about the price, there's just not enough ammo to go around.
2) How much are you really going to shoot through your tiny 380 carry gun? Probably not that much after the initial 500 rounds to break it in. So that's $150 in ammo. Not that much more after spending $700 on the gun...

So you'd "save" $75-100 by going 9mm. If comfort is the deciding factor between carrying or not carrying, then just get the 380. At least the ammo tends to always be in stock these days at my local Wally, don't know about yours. I'm saving up for my P380 :D

My question is...is the .380 going to get the job done? Someone commented above that someone survived a point blank shot to the chest with a .380. Do you really want that guy surviving on you and coming back with a vengeance later?

Cokebottle
04-24-2011, 12:20 PM
My question is...is the .380 going to get the job done? Someone commented above that someone survived a point blank shot to the chest with a .380. Do you really want that guy surviving on you and coming back with a vengeance later?
Shot placement is key.

A .22lr from a moderate distance scrambled Jim Brady's brain and very nearly killed Ronald Reagan.

People survive central-mass impacts of .45acp nearly every day.
People at war survive horrendous wounds from 5.56 and 7.62 every day.

A larger caliber, and greater powder charge simply stack the odds in your favor. The .380, 9mm, .38 special, .357Sig, .38 Super, and .357Mag all use approximately the same bullet. The higher powder loads can propel heavier bullets and put more energy into the target, but all of them are going to make a roughly 0.36" hole.
If you miss a vital organ by 0.40", the target survives.

There are four ways that you are going to kill someone "pretty quickly":

CNS strike - brain, brain stem, upper spinal column
Bleed out - arterial hit, or multiple and large enough wounds to cause massive blood loss
Drowning/suffocation - multiple hits to the lungs, flooding them with blood and partial collapse
Heart trauma

Of these, the CNS strike is going to be the most immediate and the only way that you are going to "drop someone in their tracks"
It also requires great accuracy... you've got a fairly well protected target that's only an inch or so wide on the back of a moving target.

fuenstock
04-24-2011, 1:40 PM
The Kahr pm9 is a sweet pistol. I was all set to make my next handgun purchase a Glock 26, but after handling the Kahr pm9 im not so sure about the Glock 26. I love Glock, but for me the pm9 is slimmer which I really like for possible ccw. I dont think you can go wrong with the pm9.

brianm767
04-24-2011, 3:15 PM
I don't mean this to sound prejudice at all but I think women should have the right to choose to CCW if they want to for protection.

I think every one should have the right, regardless of sex. and Our Sheriff does too.

scorpio66
04-24-2011, 4:14 PM
I think every one should have the right, regardless of sex. and Our Sheriff does too.

Me too.

Jack L
04-24-2011, 5:05 PM
The Kahr pm9 is a sweet pistol. I was all set to make my next handgun purchase a Glock 26, but after handling the Kahr pm9 im not so sure about the Glock 26. I love Glock, but for me the pm9 is slimmer which I really like for possible ccw. I dont think you can go wrong with the pm9.

I keep sayin', these Kahr 9mm, all of them, are really sweet for 9mm CCW. Short, thin, and light. And not too exspensive.

strapbytaurus
04-24-2011, 6:13 PM
How is it not too expensive? It is way too expensive.

scorpio66
04-26-2011, 7:09 PM
Well everyone, I finally went down today and got me a PM9. :drool5: The only thing that kind of irritated me was the fact that the slide stop gouges my thumb. Put it next to my Walther P99 for comparison and wow what a difference.

brianm767
04-27-2011, 10:06 PM
Well everyone, I finally went down today and got me a PM9. :drool5: The only thing that kind of irritated me was the fact that the slide stop gouges my thumb. Put it next to my Walther P99 for comparison and wow what a difference.

Congrats, many folks take a small file or sand paper or what ever and smooth out some of the rougher edges on the Kahrs. My father also complained about the stop on the P380 digging into his hand, I've never noticed it, but I have much smaller hands than pops.

scorpio66
04-27-2011, 10:09 PM
Congrats, many folks take a small file or sand paper or what ever and smooth out some of the rougher edges on the Kahrs. My father also complained about the stop on the P380 digging into his hand, I've never noticed it, but I have much smaller hands than pops.

Hey Brian, thanks. Yeah, I've talked to a couple of people that have done just that and I'll do the same because it is really uncomfortable for my small girly hands. :D

SoCalXD
04-28-2011, 10:57 PM
Great choice. Love mine. Couple of suggestions.1) Checkout Kahrtalk. 2) Hand cycle the slide a bunch before shooting it, as it functions as break-in, saving you money on ammo and also gets your skilled in muscling that dual recoil spring! 3) Load from slide-lock, as loading via hand-racking is discouraged by Kahr. 4) If you decide you want to change the sights, send it back to Kahr; horror stories otherwise. 5) Get some dryfire practice in, as that long DAO trigger takes some getting used to!

Enjoy!

scorpio66
04-28-2011, 11:15 PM
Great choice. Love mine. Couple of suggestions.1) Checkout Kahrtalk. 2) Hand cycle the slide a bunch before shooting it, as it functions as break-in, saving you money on ammo and also gets your skilled in muscling that dual recoil spring! 3) Load from slide-lock, as loading via hand-racking is discouraged by Kahr. 4) If you decide you want to change the sights, send it back to Kahr; horror stories otherwise. 5) Get some dryfire practice in, as that long DAO trigger takes some getting used to!

Enjoy!

SoCalXD, thanks for the info! I've heard nothing but good things about this gun.

DerGlock
04-29-2011, 12:19 AM
From looking @ the specs., they are pretty much the same size with the .380 being a bit lighter.

Not the same size. The p380 noticably smaller and my choice for everyday carry.

Blackntan
04-29-2011, 4:37 PM
PM9. My wife loves the gun, and she has small hands.