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mixwell
04-20-2011, 9:09 PM
I was watching a show on History Ch Intl on the history of semi auto pistols and at the end Colt mentioned a prototype handgun which has a transmitter in the mag and you would wear a wristband or ring type transmitter.

The thought was that with the instances of Beretta 92 issued to police and/or someone retrieving your firearm from you the firearm wouldn't function because the transmitter in the mag would be in front the transmitter on your person. This is a technology I can see getting perfected or possibly issued within the next possibly 10 years.

Just curious on some of your inputs on this any faults/errors etc.. It was already admitted that some waves like a VCR and garage opener and interfere with the signal etc but it's a very interesting concept to me. Just thought I would throw out some foreign bait and see what other people think about this possible new technology.

Toast
04-20-2011, 9:49 PM
A computer is the last thing I'd want in my firearm...

cmoore
04-20-2011, 10:02 PM
I agree with Toast...and that idea/technology?....it never went anywhere...it enables faulty officer safety skills among other things...

Dark Mod
04-20-2011, 10:04 PM
just one more needless safety to overcomplicate things. The only way someone is taking my weapon from me is if im already dead, so i dont care if the gun will fire or not

nick
04-20-2011, 10:08 PM
Umm, not sure I'd use the word 'smart' to describe these. I don't see how adding extra parts that can malfunction and an extra step to making your firearm ready to fire (unless you never take that ring off) is smart. Not to mention that you don't control the firmware in that thing, and you have no way of knowing who can disable your firearm remotely.

mswanson223
04-20-2011, 10:16 PM
Thats all fine until your out of town and your girlfriend/old lady/whatever needs to shoot the burglar. Making the gun is useless it in the owners hands.

erikdjs
04-20-2011, 10:52 PM
There's also this amazing technology called a "booger hook". Basically, if you keep it off the "bang switch" the gun will not fire.

OP - I'm just ribbin :willy_nilly:

NSR500
04-20-2011, 11:02 PM
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tbhracing
04-20-2011, 11:34 PM
There has also been some pistols connected to a ring that will only function when worn by the shooter. Dont think it ever took off in any market.

incredablehefey
04-20-2011, 11:44 PM
But what if you need to shoot through yourself to get the bad guy? Your hosed, that's what!

Bad idea, imo more things to go wrong.

Arondos
04-21-2011, 12:11 AM
Well, why did he not shoot the burglar? Possible interference from the wi-fi, garage door opener, cordless phone, etc. services will be held next week...

No thanks. I'll use trigger discipline and safe practices.

tbhracing
04-21-2011, 1:12 AM
There has also been some pistols connected to a ring that will only function when worn by the shooter. Dont think it ever took off in any market.

Here- www.smartlock.com/test.htm

AJAX22
04-21-2011, 5:07 AM
I'm all for these devices! they should be mounted to every police weapon!

that way I can get a little belt box the size of a pager which will jam them and I won't have to worry about police shooting me ;)

I of course would only carry 'vintage' firearms

glock7
04-21-2011, 5:22 AM
it's another ploy by the gov't to track your firearms....don't fall for it.:P

incredablehefey
04-21-2011, 5:52 AM
I would rather see a built in camera that takes a still picture the instant the trigger is pulled, we have the technology to implant them into the gun with virtually no change in the exterior dimensions in most pistols. This way there is no argument as to what the threat was at the time of the shooting, whether it be a little puppy coming in at full speed for a lick attack, or a guy pointing a water nozzle like a gun.

The above idea is meant for law enforcement only, and it would have to be a requirement to keep the battery charged and in working order.

scarville
04-21-2011, 6:00 AM
If it happens, be sure nuke the embedded Windows and install Linux. Otherwise your gun will be sending out endless steams of Viagra Spam everytime you take it the range.
:rofl2:

louderthangod
04-21-2011, 6:06 AM
I'd love to see the handgun app store.

esartori
04-21-2011, 6:27 AM
If u leave the station, or get issued a new gun you'd have to call a 1800 number to some guy overseas to activate your new gun. Ya doesn't sound to fun to me. That's all we need is a 3rd party outsourced hotline controlling our weapons

Sanderhawk
04-21-2011, 6:28 AM
My hang up with this is when the computer breaks and then you can`t fire your own gun.

Munk
04-21-2011, 11:02 AM
My hang up with this is when the computer breaks and then you can`t fire your own gun.

HOw about a radio jammer or an over-strong magnet? Either one can interfere with a receiver like this.

Hell, i've seen CB radios that are so amplified, they'll turn on flourescent lights that aren't plugged in. (note: I kept my distance and asked him to not key it up again... my hair tingled)

A small radio unit can be made to render these guns inert, and it WILL cost people lives.

Erin
04-21-2011, 11:17 AM
stupid. battery dies? then what? club the guy?

coyotebait
04-21-2011, 12:05 PM
I'm not sure about this particular episode, but I saw this several years ago. They couldn't fire it with live ammo because the electronics were too fragile.
I wonder if the arm band/bracelet will have the 3 most common keys....cont. alt delete.

1nsanity
04-21-2011, 12:32 PM
Also, once Skynet goes active…

Ripon83
04-21-2011, 12:37 PM
As we pass the 100th year of the 1911 its really amazing that its still a top seller and nothing else has really "innovated" things over time. Yes I know Glock, hi cap 9mm, and great sites all have made impacts, but not like the 1911 and not like some gimmick like this electronic smart lock gizmo either.

Now I read where they have a new rifle and rifle ammunition they are testing that can go around things and hit their target.........crap.....gotta get me one of those...I've never been a good shot.

MrOrange
04-21-2011, 12:50 PM
One of the early ones was the Magna-Trigger (http://www.tarnhelm.com/magna-trigger/gun/safety/magna1.html).

The story goes the inventor was distressed by news stories of cops being shot with their own guns and wanted to do something about it. He went to the nearest gun store and asked to be shown the most popular types of handguns carried by officers, and was shown a S&W and a Colt revolver (1970's). He told the salesman he would buy both, if they would show him how to take them apart.

The Colt one didn't work too well, but the Smith one works fine. I have one.


BTW I also refer to any manual safety as an unauthorized user disable device.




I'm not sure about this particular episode, but I saw this several years ago. They couldn't fire it with live ammo because the electronics were too fragile.
I wonder if the arm band/bracelet will have the 3 most common keys....cont. alt delete.
Reminds me of the chipped baseball that, along with sensors around home plate, was going to automatically determine balls/strikes. It kinda worked, but you weren't allowed to hit the thing with a bat...

Coded-Dude
04-21-2011, 12:53 PM
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jwkincal
04-21-2011, 1:00 PM
IMHO The dang transfer bar is almost adding too much complexity to a system which has life-and-death dependencies.

There is no way in hell I would want to attach ELECTRONICS which need SOFTWARE to the functional portions of any firearm of mine.

I say this as a person with 20 years experience with both firearms and Information Technology.

deadcoyote
04-21-2011, 1:03 PM
Plus, now when somebody wants to steal your weapon they have to get a hatchet and take your hand too! So, here you are, already embarassed by the loss of your weapon, having to explain to your chief why you've also got a bloody stump for a hand on your strong side.

In all seriousness, I had a co-worker who once left his weapon on the floor of a Costco bathroom. You can't fix stupid people, not even with a decoder ring.

mif_slim
04-21-2011, 1:08 PM
Didnt this gun have that type of effect in Judge Dredd?

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tbhracing
04-21-2011, 2:56 PM
I would rather see a built in camera that takes a still picture the instant the trigger is pulled...

The above idea is meant for law enforcement only, and it would have to be a requirement to keep the battery charged and in working order.


I know you wont believe me, but I submitted this idea to Glock back in the late 90s after buying my Gen 22 with the added on laser on the trigger guard. Never heard back from Glock, but I figured the idea was coming eventually.

:chris:

Vandal.
04-21-2011, 2:59 PM
man... i want a toaster on mine... so i can make waffles as i shoot stuff.. :D

intheknow
04-21-2011, 3:01 PM
yay... another SNEAKY way the government can disable all guns at once without having to really take them. Then, RULE with a mighty fist and that will be the end of Democracy.

armedoffroader
04-21-2011, 4:36 PM
In my experience, computers, on a long enough timeline always crash. With all that can go wrong in an offensive/defensive shooting scenario I'll never trust that the computer safety in my weapon is a good thing.

bline01
04-21-2011, 5:32 PM
i can see the news headlines now...

"Police officer shot and killed by armed suspect - forgot to wear wristband"

lol

bsg
04-21-2011, 6:11 PM
no thanks.

Coded-Dude
04-22-2011, 7:21 AM
In my experience, computers, on a long enough timeline always crash. With all that can go wrong in an offensive/defensive shooting scenario I'll never trust that the computer safety in my weapon is a good thing.


its relative. There are some unix servers that have been on for 10+ years. Its rebooting where you generally have hardware failures. (this is in a data center of course - controlled environment). putting a computer in a gun that gets jolted around a lot would definitely incur a lot more issues.

but I agree with you. I'd much rather rely on the mechanical aspect of a gun than the technological side. tech in a gun could be convenient as long as the gun doesn't require it to fire.....

mixwell
04-22-2011, 7:47 AM
I agree with you guys, its another possible failure the can go wrong when you need your firearm to function. Yes coyote, the never fired this prototype because the system was to fragile. Whats next, cars that park themselves? -=O

c483125117
04-22-2011, 11:16 AM
A computer is the last thing I'd want in my firearm...

This.

Moto4Fun
04-23-2011, 11:56 AM
I understand the attitude that you can't fix stupid, and I get the idea that it might make it easier for some outside influence to disable your weapon; but I don't undertand those saying that the technology would never work, or that it would be unreliable.

Some years ago people said the same thing about all of the things that we have now. "I don't want no dang 'puter in ma car". People questioned the reliability of technology in all sorts of things. I am certain the technology can be developed and made reliable. Where it fits into the market place is another story. I have no need, and I wouldn't buy it.

If retention is an issue, cops should use the lanyard on the butt of the gun and connect it to one of those retractable key chain devices that janitors use.

aklon
04-23-2011, 8:36 PM
All you need to know about these "smart" guns is that the police want nothing to do with them. If they're not willing to risk their lives with one of these things, why should we?

MrOrange
04-24-2011, 9:38 AM
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b27/joesat/shesadead.gif

The Magna-Trigger works.

I dunno about "The Police" but some police have used them. Massad Ayoob happily carried his on duty, as well as using it in a filmed demonstration for a reporter where a failure would've been very damaging.

True dat it's revolver-only, but I would feel just fine with 8 rounds of .357 Magnum compared to 10 rounds of .45 ACP, and certainly much more warm and fuzzy than with 10 rounds of a sub-caliber auto.

loose_electron
04-24-2011, 10:20 AM
If it happens, be sure nuke the embedded Windows and install Linux. Otherwise your gun will be sending out endless steams of Viagra Spam everytime you take it the range.
:rofl2:

Ha Ha.....

Things like this can be done to work using RF ID but as an electrical engineer who does communications stuff, this is just one more thing to break or go wrong. No thanks.