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eighteenninetytwo
04-19-2011, 12:07 PM
Q: is it actually illegal to own a fully automatic weapon in CA such as could be purchased in NV, or is it a situation where the authorities just make do many hoops to jump through that it's not worth it, thus creating a back door ban without legislation?

mosinnagantm9130
04-19-2011, 12:24 PM
It's legal, but pretty much impossible to do now.

bwiese
04-19-2011, 12:27 PM
To do a full auto gun in CA legally, you'd need a discretionary-issue Dangerous Weapons permit from DOJ Firearms. You won't get one.

On top of that, the Feds would require signoff from a CLEO. You won't get that either. And if a trust were set up the BATF wouldn't approve unless/until the

That's the broad strokes. There may be some minor holes but it's highly unlikely to be exploitable without a lot of legal work best spent on other more important tasks (CCWs, AWs, out of state acquisitions, etc.)

Non-corporate people that have FA and other NFA guns in CA (SBR, SBS) have had them for decades - when issued, things were a bit looser.

One other note: if you were indeed able to have a full-auto gun, it would not be subject to CA AW ban if it only had Auto (or Burst) & Safe positions on the selector and was not capable of semiauto operation.

JagerTroop
04-19-2011, 1:03 PM
Ha ha haaa. A select fire machinegun with a maglock/10rd mag. Too funny.

6172crew
04-19-2011, 1:39 PM
I met a SOT at a big reno show a few years ago, he said it cost him $14k for the setup.

If my nfa was allowed here in CA it would have already been done.

CHS
04-19-2011, 1:41 PM
Q: is it actually illegal to own a fully automatic weapon in CA such as could be purchased in NV, or is it a situation where the authorities just make do many hoops to jump through that it's not worth it, thus creating a back door ban without legislation?

In CA you need a special discretionary-issue "dangerous weapons" permit from the DOJ in order to own Machineguns, DD's over .60cal, as well as SBR's and SBS's less than 50 years old.

This permit is as I said issued at the discretion of the DOJ, so you have to have "good cause" to get one. 99% of the good cause is "for use in movies". The rest are the very few NFA manufacturers and dealers in CA for military and law enforcement. The permit also must be renewed EVERY. SINGLE. YEAR.

Basically, unless you have a provable business need, you will not get the permit.

You can't get a suppressor in California with ANY kind of permit. Period. The only way to get/have a suppressor in CA is to be an FFL.

You can own an AOW in CA without any additional CA paperwork, unless it is a pen gun. Those are illegal outright.

You can own a DD in CA that's less than .60cal without any additional CA paperwork.

You can own +50YO SBR's and SBS's in CA without any additional CA paperwork. However, the ATF is not approving forms to manufacture new SBR/SBS's on old receivers. The SBR/SBS must already be registered and +50YO for you to be able to transfer one to yourself.

If you have a friend in an another state you can form a trust together and own these firearms in that other state, but the ATF won't let you do it by yourself since you'll have to have residency in the other state in order to take possession of the firearm (That's where the friend would come in). This is a part of Federal law that really needs to change.