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Lolly
04-18-2011, 6:34 AM
What does it actually take to accomplish this ?

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States repealing the right to keep and bear arms.

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each House concurring therein), That the following article is proposed as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which shall be valid for all intents and purposes as part of the Constitution when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States at any time after the date of its submission for ratification:
'Article--

1. Any right to keep and bear arms, whether under the Second Amendment to this Constitution, or under some pre-existing doctrine of natural law or common law or otherwise, or under Constitution or laws of any State, is repealed.

2. The privilege to keep and bear arms throughout the United States shall be under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.'
Phase 2 - A Tax; Following adoption of the constitutional amendment, a bill to tax:



1. There is imposed an annual tax on each and every firearm in any household as follows:
a. first firearm, $10
b. second firearm, $20
c. third firearm, $30
d. fourth through ninth firearms, $100 each
e. firearms in excess of the ninth, $1,000 each.

Read the whole thing here...
http://www.groundreport.com/Politics/Repeal-the-Right-to-Keep-and-Bear-Arms/2938359

lgm118icbm
04-18-2011, 6:37 AM
They whine because they are loosing....

AJAX22
04-18-2011, 6:37 AM
What does it actually take to accomplish this ?

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States repealing the right to keep and bear arms.

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each House concurring therein), That the following article is proposed as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which shall be valid for all intents and purposes as part of the Constitution when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States at any time after the date of its submission for ratification:
'Article--

1. Any right to keep and bear arms, whether under the Second Amendment to this Constitution, or under some pre-existing doctrine of natural law or common law or otherwise, or under Constitution or laws of any State, is repealed.

2. The privilege to keep and bear arms throughout the United States shall be under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.'
Phase 2 - A Tax; Following adoption of the constitutional amendment, a bill to tax:



1. There is imposed an annual tax on each and every firearm in any household as follows:
a. first firearm, $10
b. second firearm, $20
c. third firearm, $30
d. fourth through ninth firearms, $100 each
e. firearms in excess of the ninth, $1,000 each.

Read the whole thing here...
http://www.groundreport.com/Politics/Repeal-the-Right-to-Keep-and-Bear-Arms/2938359

You cannot repeal a natural law.

Lolly
04-18-2011, 6:43 AM
You cannot repeal a natural law.

That's good to know ...:)

Can it be drastically ammended to achieve the same.. or close ?

JagerTroop
04-18-2011, 6:45 AM
1. There is imposed an annual tax on each and every firearm in any household as follows:
a. first firearm, $10
b. second firearm, $20
c. third firearm, $30
d. fourth through ninth firearms, $100 each
e. firearms in excess of the ninth, $1,000 each.

Read the whole thing here...
http://www.groundreport.com/Politics/Repeal-the-Right-to-Keep-and-Bear-Arms/2938359

I'm F**ked!!!:eek:

Bobula
04-18-2011, 6:46 AM
ZERO truth to this

MaHoTex
04-18-2011, 6:47 AM
Nope... Boating accident... Took my guns and coins and reloading supplies to the bottom.

Baconator
04-18-2011, 6:47 AM
**** these people, I want to repeal the ability to be a moron.

ubet
04-18-2011, 6:49 AM
Only reason liberals want our guns, is because they are the only thing keeping them from COMPLETELY wiping their *** with the constitution.

thrasherfox
04-18-2011, 6:49 AM
Wont mess up my day. It will cause a revolution in the United States however. and I would bet every politician would be physically removed from their officers by the people.

Scarecrow Repair
04-18-2011, 6:50 AM
I suppose that if this last ditch desperate cry for mommy ever got anywhere in Congress, a counter amendment to strengthen the Second Amendment would be introduced and smash this one flat.

Ie, this is a hoplophobe's wet dream and more cause for amusement than alarm. In fact, it's fine by me if they want to waste their energy on this.

choprzrul
04-18-2011, 6:50 AM
You cannot repeal a natural law.

^^This^^

Remember, your rights are natural rights and all men and women have them. The difference between the nations is the citizen's ability to exercise their rights. The Bill of Rights was put in place to limit government intrusion upon the citizen's rights.

.

Andy Taylor
04-18-2011, 6:56 AM
At this point in time there is not the support they would need. Right now there are more pro-2A States than anti-2A States. It would require ratification by 3/4 of the States. Not to mention, there is not the support in Congress to even get the point where the States could ratify it. However, at some point in the future, there may be the support needed.

I have long held that this is the only way to legally disarm the American Citizen.

Bhobbs
04-18-2011, 6:57 AM
You mean people want to take away our guns?

:eek:

Dutch3
04-18-2011, 7:02 AM
I always find it interesting that the antis think the removal of all firearms will make violent crime go away.

Look at the rest of the world. In localities where guns are outlawed, violent crime still happens every day. Hangings, stonings, beheadings and blunt force trauma occur when criminals have no other means.

Take away the guns, and someone bent on murdering someone else will just pick up a knife, pitchfork, club or a sharpened stick. It is a part of human nature to be resourceful.

CitaDeL
04-18-2011, 7:08 AM
If there is any way to instigate a second revolution in the United States, this might be pretty effective. If it were a real prospect and supporters were able to garner enough support (which they can't and won't) for this, gun owners would burrow in like a tick on a hound.

Mike Barkley is a wack-a-do big government, pro union, pro-'choice', socialist running for congress... though I can't seem to locate what district he wants to represent. But he is in California... Perhaps we should welcome him by contributing to his opponent... whoever they are...

Goosebrown
04-18-2011, 7:09 AM
Well at this time I invite anyone to try an amend the Constitution. There is simply no way... we, gun owners, are a majority or at least a plurality of the people. There is no way they could pass a amendment.

On that note. I do belong to the NRA and encourage everyone to do so as well. They aren't perfect, but they are out there keeping enough states pro-gun to thwart any attempt at getting 3/4ths of the states to pass such an amendment. That means you only really need 13 states to not ratify and the amendment doesn't pass.

I am a Californian so if I step on anyone's toes, sorry, but I think you can count on: Montana, Wyoming, Kansas, Nebraska, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Alaska, Arizona, Idaho, Texas, Oklahoma, South Carolina and North Carolina to simply NEVER to pass such a thing and I doubt Virginia, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, South and North Dakota, Louisiana, and Florida would either. In any event, the idea of an amendment to repeal the 2nd is just some liberal wanking at the keyboard.

scarville
04-18-2011, 7:10 AM
Right now, I think this particular instance of stupidity stands a snowball's chance at perhelion.

J.D.Allen
04-18-2011, 7:11 AM
:rofl2::smilielol5::tt2:

This just made my day...haven't had that good of a laugh in a while.

Decoligny
04-18-2011, 7:11 AM
H.R. 438 was introduced on Mar 11, 1992.The website linked is doing nothing but resurrecting an already dead piece of failed legislation in order to spread fear.

If you look on the website it references the 102nd Congress. We are currently in the 112th Congress.

Nothing to see here....Move Along.

CitaDeL
04-18-2011, 7:14 AM
Well at this time I invite anyone to try an amend the Constitution. There is simply no way... we, gun owners, are a majority or at least a plurality of the people. There is no way they could pass a amendment.

On that note. I do belong to the NRA and encourage everyone to do so as well. They aren't perfect, but they are out there keeping enough states pro-gun to thwart any attempt at getting 3/4ths of the states to pass such an amendment. That means you only really need 13 states to not ratify and the amendment doesn't pass.

I am a Californian so if I step on anyone's toes, sorry, but I think you can count on: Montana, Wyoming, Kansas, Nebraska, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Alaska, Arizona, Idaho, Texas, Oklahoma, South Carolina and North Carolina to simply NEVER to pass such a thing and I doubt Virginia, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, South and North Dakota, Louisiana, and Florida would either. In any event, the idea of an amendment to repeal the 2nd is just some liberal wanking at the keyboard.

You forgot Utah, New Hampshire, and Vermont on the never going to do it list.

JDoe
04-18-2011, 7:15 AM
^^This^^

Remember, your rights are natural rights and all men and women have them. The difference between the nations is the citizen's ability to exercise their rights. The Bill of Rights was put in place to limit government intrusion upon the citizen's people's rights.

.

The Bill of Rights refers to the people. Citizens are not mentioned. :P

krucam
04-18-2011, 7:20 AM
The final gasps of a drowning cause. They mention Heller & McDonald, then go on to blame the NRA for everything. Standard talking points and the repeal of the 2nd is the next progression for those on the "wrong side of history".

I'm afraid to say it in a public forum, but SAF/CGF is doing much more damage under the radar than the NRA right now. Shh....

Lolly
04-18-2011, 7:25 AM
To me it reads like the he is using a similar format....

Format is from H.J.RES. 438, 102nd Congress

Anyway, I guess it's just another attempt, so we should just "move on.."

Goosebrown
04-18-2011, 7:29 AM
@Citidel. I didn't forget. One of those two, VT or NH is pretty liberal. I can't tell them apart and have never been there. I know there are people that can tell the two states apart so if you know which is more liberal, chime in. Also Utah has a growing population and although it is a conservative place, you get a lot of tech companies there and people moving in and the rot can spread there too. I don't know enough to know if Utah will remain gun safe. Anyway there are more than 13 that are pure absolute "NO" votes in the case of an amendment.

I almost wish they'd try. A good resounding loss sometimes is healthy for a bad idea.

Nick Justice
04-18-2011, 7:31 AM
Over the years, I have heard rumors that at least one senator or rep. submits this proposed amendment every year, and it never goes anywhere.

Wherryj
04-18-2011, 7:33 AM
What does it actually take to accomplish this ?

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States repealing the right to unlimited free speech.

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each House concurring therein), That the following article is proposed as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which shall be valid for all intents and purposes as part of the Constitution when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States at any time after the date of its submission for ratification:
'Article--

1. Any right to using free speech in a blatantly stupid manner, whether in a public forum, article or blog is repealed.

2. The privilege to free spech throughout the United States shall be under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.'
Phase 2 - A Tax; Following adoption of the constitutional amendment, a bill to tax:



1. There is imposed an annual tax on each and every moronic blog in any household as follows:
a. first dumb blog, $10
b. second inane blog, $20
c. third repeated offense, $30
d. fourth through ninth abuses of free speech, $100 each
e. moronic use of free speech in excess of the ninth, $1,000 each.

Read the whole thing here...
http://www.groundreport.com/Politics/Repeal-the-Right-to-Keep-and-Bear-Arms/2938359

I fixed it for him. Hey, now it sounds a bit like an infringement of a Constitutionally guaranteed right...

dfletcher
04-18-2011, 7:35 AM
The thought originates, so to speak, from this fellow - he's supposedly running for Congress and according to the address posted he's from Manteca?

http://www.mjbarkl.com/run.htm

Maybe after he's done with the 2nd he can get to work on the 1st and the 5th and 13th ..... :)

CalBear
04-18-2011, 7:37 AM
@Citidel. I didn't forget. One of those two, VT or NH is pretty liberal. I can't tell them apart and have never been there.
Vermont is more liberal, by a mile. It actually used to be more conservative, but it's very anti growth, and over the years its become something of a caricature of New England, and the residents have become very liberal. New Hampshire has experienced a lot more growth, it's way more conservative, and has much different geographic features.

@OP: That idea is an absolute joke. Right now a Constitutional amendment reaffirming and clarifying the RKBA would be far more likely to pass. These are just dreams of some people who don't trust individuals and want everything regulated and banned.

dfletcher
04-18-2011, 7:39 AM
@Citidel. I didn't forget. One of those two, VT or NH is pretty liberal. I can't tell them apart and have never been there. I know there are people that can tell the two states apart so if you know which is more liberal, chime in.

I almost wish they'd try. A good resounding loss sometimes is healthy for a bad idea.

Ouch!! People from VT have funny accents and eat pie for breakfast - I'm from NH and we have neither. ;)

Actually VT is the liberal state. Easy way to remember - it's "left" of NH and upside down.

M1A Rifleman
04-18-2011, 7:41 AM
I always find it interesting that the antis think the removal of all firearms will make violent crime go away..

They don't. This is what they tell the stupid and uniformed. If the anti's really thought no guns = no crime, they wouldn't own guns themselves. Its all about power for themselves and power to mold the country their way.

bjl333
04-18-2011, 7:47 AM
This only reenforce the facts we already know. There are lots of criminal element in our government, because if guns are outlawed only criminals and cops will have guns!! We know they ain't cops!!

Don the savage
04-18-2011, 7:53 AM
This dude make V.I. Lenin look like Reagan....

Future Kalifornia Governor

Big Ben
04-18-2011, 7:53 AM
Even if this made it through both Houses of Congress with the required 2/3 votes, it would never be ratified by the required 3/4 of the States. They'd have to get the state legislatures of at least 38 States to approve it, which would never happen. All those square, "fly-over" states in the middle of the country would kill this thing, and the politicians know it.

It is a non-starter and won't happen in the current environment.

SanPedroShooter
04-18-2011, 8:14 AM
Here's my favorite part

Any firearm lost or stolen will incur a $1,000 penalty in the reporting year it was lost or stolen. For any such lost or stolen firearm that is subsequently recovered by the owner that $1,000 penalty shall be rescinded and refunded, except if the firearm has been used in the commission of a crime.

I bet incidents of lost or stolen guns will drop to zero, problem solved. Why didnt we think of that?

My other favorite is the verbiage about "repealing natural laws"... WTF? How could write that out and not say, wait a minute...

In other news, collectivists repeal gravity, night time and God.

tonelar
04-18-2011, 8:24 AM
Yeah... This floats up to the surface almost every year around tax time.

G60
04-18-2011, 8:31 AM
QQ more PVP server.

The Shadow
04-18-2011, 8:43 AM
Well, all I can say is good luck with that. They'd have to get the votes first.

Arondos
04-18-2011, 8:44 AM
Didn't verify it but I have always heard this one.

“The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.”

Thomas Jefferson

G60
04-18-2011, 8:48 AM
Didn't verify it but I have always heard this one.

“The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.”

Thomas Jefferson

http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndbog.html
;)

stix213
04-18-2011, 12:10 PM
1. There is imposed an annual tax on each and every firearm in any household as follows:
a. first firearm, $10
b. second firearm, $20
c. third firearm, $30
d. fourth through ninth firearms, $100 each
e. firearms in excess of the ninth, $1,000 each.[/I]


What's with this anti-gun fear of owning more than just a couple firearms? How many firearms can you shoot at the same time anyway? You're kinda limited by the number of hands you have.