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kwansao
04-18-2011, 2:23 AM
Hello, I need some advice on a first time gun purchase at a CA gun show.

I just went to a Gun Show today. I have wanted an M1 garand since i've taken an interest in WWII. Instead of going through the CMP, Garand Guy or a gun auction website, i decided to go to the show with a wad of cash and was prepared to go through a background check, dealer fees, shipping the rifle to a local gun dealer, wait period (if applicable) etc.

I found a vendor with an M1, he insisted there was no background check or waiting period required, so, stupidly, i gave him my drivers lic. info, the cash, he returned a receipt and i walked out with an M1 Garand. I am a law abiding citizen who has never been arrested, tried or convicted of any crime, never associated with any fringe groups, extremist churches or criminals, and i'm also not mentally ill. I firmly believe i would pass a background check.

Upon doing some reading I think this vendor broke the law when he sold me the rifle and that he was required to sell through a licensed firearm dealer and i should have submitted to a background check. I have been reading all day but the law is confusing to me and if possible i could really use some clarification or advice. :mad:

Although I doubt a collectors rifle such as this has been used to commit a crime, i am a little upset about having broken the law. Should I register the firearm with the CA DOJ? What would you do if you were in my position..?
:(

NotEnufGarage
04-18-2011, 2:34 AM
An M1 Garand rifle is a Curio & Relic firearm. Even in California, a C&R long gun can be sold from one private individual to another private individual without going through an FFL and initiating a DROS. The seller just needs to validate that he's selling to another California resident.

What did you pay for it, if I may ask?

kwansao
04-18-2011, 2:38 AM
OK, thank you. that makes me feel a lot better.. that explains why the LEOs at the door didn't seem to care.

i paid ~$900 for it. it looks to be in pretty good condition. i could always have purchased a cheaper one but I didn't want to get a beater then have to replace one part at a time.

TRICKSTER
04-18-2011, 2:41 AM
Doesn't sound like any laws were broken. As posted above, it is perfectly legal for a CA resident to sell a 50+ year old long gun to another CA resident without going through a FFL. AS long as the Garand is a US Military model and not one of the newer commercial ones, you are good to go.
And just for info, rifles and shotguns are not registered here in CA even when you buy them from a dealer.

kwansao
04-18-2011, 2:44 AM
i guess it's a non-issue. At least i won't get any papercuts buying old vintage guns.

Scarecrow Repair
04-18-2011, 5:01 AM
It's not very smart to broadcast to the world "I think I broke the law here". If you really truly do think you may have broken a law, you should browse the forum enough to find someone who appears to know a bit more than the average bear, and PM them, or contact an attorney.

kwansao
04-18-2011, 6:07 AM
Thanks. I figured I'd ask Openly so people could volunteer their advice.

Window_Seat
04-18-2011, 6:11 AM
I went to the Vallejo gunshow very recently to volunteer at the Calguns booth, and I saw several people doing cash/carry of old long rifles that I somewhat drooled over, so you'll be A-OK.

Erik.

thrasherfox
04-18-2011, 8:00 AM
If you had broken a law this thread would have been removed.

Since it is still here, I am guessing you didnt break any laws.

HowardW56
04-18-2011, 8:01 AM
Enjoy the rifle and don't worry about it...

G60
04-18-2011, 9:26 AM
http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/FAQ#How_do_I_buy_a_C.26R_long_gun_.28rifle_or_shot gun.29.3F

17+1
04-18-2011, 1:26 PM
OK, thank you. that makes me feel a lot better.. that explains why the LEOs at the door didn't seem to care.

i paid ~$900 for it. it looks to be in pretty good condition. i could always have purchased a cheaper one but I didn't want to get a beater then have to replace one part at a time.

Could have gotten a CMP special grade with a new barrel, new wood, reparked parts, for $975.

I like C&R a lot because they are paperless...makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside that the gov't has no clue who owns what guns.

BayAreaShooter
04-18-2011, 1:32 PM
As stated above it does not sound like any laws were broken. Enjoy your new rifle.

kwansao
04-18-2011, 4:08 PM
I would have gone through CMP except for all the paperwork and waiting. Feels great to walk out same day with the rifle. Probably will get a garand through CMP at a later time. Thanks for the help guys.

mosinnagantm9130
04-18-2011, 5:54 PM
Now that the crisis has been averted, the question is:

Why have we not seen pics of this M1 either here or in the C&R section?:D

Munk
04-18-2011, 6:16 PM
Now that the crisis has been averted, the question is:

Why have we not seen pics of this M1 either here or in the C&R section?:D

Allow me to translate what you should have said.
:useless:
(note: post the pics in the C&R forum. lol).

H3llpl3ss
04-18-2011, 7:10 PM
I have seen both the service grade and field grade rifles from the CMP and they are far superior that the stuff you get at Big 5 for half of the cost. I believe that it is well worth the hassle and the wait to get one from the CMP. Although I meet all of the requirements and would love to have on, that is just another caliber that I have to reload for.

kwansao
04-19-2011, 12:43 AM
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j436/kwansao/87d9c363.jpg
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j436/kwansao/04e68c1a.jpg
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j436/kwansao/850fa815.jpg
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j436/kwansao/f872277f.jpg
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j436/kwansao/9f3483cf.jpg
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j436/kwansao/41ab6bf9.jpg

kwansao
04-19-2011, 1:11 AM
serial number is from springfield armory 192XXXX, so it's from 1943-4?

jtmkinsd
04-19-2011, 1:43 AM
Any other prominent cartouches on the stock? I noticed the RIA on the side.

kwansao
04-19-2011, 4:17 AM
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j436/kwansao/97cf09ef.jpg
"74"

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j436/kwansao/d5221748.jpg
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kwansao
04-19-2011, 3:56 PM
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j436/kwansao/b3af22ea.jpg
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j436/kwansao/01678fb7.jpg

jtmkinsd
04-19-2011, 4:57 PM
Looks like a nice Rock Island Armory refurbished M1. :D

stix213
04-19-2011, 5:00 PM
If you bought the rifle thought an FFL you would have had to do all the paperwork and 10 day wait like you bought a brand new rifle. Private party sales though go down exactly as described by the OP for 50+ year old long guns, though I haven't done one at a gun show myself.

kwansao
04-19-2011, 7:38 PM
Looks like a nice Rock Island Armory refurbished M1. :D

Thank you very much. :cool:

jimdvan
04-20-2011, 8:50 PM
Looks like a narrow base gas cylinder. That alone is worth about $125.00