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Stavros
11-14-2006, 8:35 PM
A friend of mine inherited this FN Bolt action rifle in 7x57mm Mauser, and I haven't been able to identify a model or what the value is. He is looking into selling it since he has a few other bolt guns and this rifle doesnt have any sentimental value. He is not technically inclined so I am looking into this for him. Pictures are below and there is a closeup of the only markings on the rifle. ANy help would be awesome, thanks.

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PanzerAce
11-14-2006, 9:23 PM
tell you what, Ill give him 100 bucks to take that worthless rifle off his hands :D

NeoWeird
11-14-2006, 9:27 PM
Ok, this is what I could find.

The Lion over PV means the rifle was rated as a smokeless powder rifle (a good indication that it was manufactured around the time rifles were being converted from blackpowder to smokeless). The Crown over the R means the barrel had a rifled bore. The crown on the oval with ELG inside was a proof mark denoting it was manufactured in Liege, Beligum. FN is another proof mark denoting it was manufactured by FN-Herstal. Then finally the 7x57 is the caliber. I, as of yet, am unable to determine what the arrow means. It is most likely a proof mark of some kind, but there are just too many references to arrows on rifles to really find anything online, same goes for the X (what exactly is above the X, it's too hard to determine with the pictures).

It appears to be a Model 1895 Mauser rifle. I read on a website that FN had been contracted to manufacture rifles for the Belgium Army before the turn of the 20th century. After the contract was filled, they started to make rifles for the Germans on a model that was very similar (almost identical) to the Spanish M96 Mausers. Also, at this time there was limited production of commercial rifles made of the same variety.

I have heard that many manufacturers only serialized military firearms (to keep count of their contract) and the extra tooling was not use don commercial rifles. In what I have found, I would say that this could possibly be a early to mid 20th century FN action either model 1895 or 1889 mauser of commercial origins (most likely the 95). Outside of that, I can't offer much more other than what I have already posted.

Hope that helps some.

ETA: I had no prior knowledge of these firearms prior to doing some online hunting. Some of my facts could be wrong as I am tkaing bits and pieces from many different places. I have no idea what a 1895 Mauser looks like, but what I have read it would seem by the markings and the similar look to the Spanish M96 that it would be a M95 Mauser. I may be completely off though.

PanzerAce
11-14-2006, 9:35 PM
Neo, it looks to me like the character you cant make out (above the Xs) is a carrot (look about the 6 key on your keyboard).

NeoWeird
11-14-2006, 9:38 PM
Yeah, but at the same time it looks like it could also be a very fuzzy A or possibly a 4. Just wanted to see if I could get an exact answer of what it was before I spend an hour looking for something it isn't.

xenophobe
11-14-2006, 10:21 PM
If it were a military rifle sporter conversion, it would either have been re-barreled, or have the original military barrel. The one pictured does not have a stepped barrel, and the receiver is not clip slotted, and there is no thumb cut on the left side of the receiver... Judging by the pictures (if they're accurate), if the proof marks are still in the white as they appear to be, it would mean that it's not refinished. The pictures from a distance also look like it's got a deep blue polish. The bolt is definitely a 98. I would guess that this is a FN Mauser Commercial variant of some sort, most likely post-ww2.

Then again, I could be totally wrong. lmao

Is there a crest or anything on top of the receiver near the barrel?

ivanimal
11-14-2006, 10:46 PM
Can you actually use the safety on that rifle? If not there is a conversion kit to make it low profile and miss the scope. I would likely ask 4 to 600 for a milsurps rebuild depending on the quality of the work. If it is one of the factory made sporting rifles the blue book of gun values has a 98% rifle at 550 these were made between 1947 and 1963 and was called the F.N.Mauser sporter deluxe.

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=1479&title=98+MAUSER+MAUSER+SAFETY

thedrickel
11-14-2006, 10:57 PM
I'm with xeno. . . the bolt is definitely a 98. You can tell by the extractor claw and the shape of its rear end. It has the m95 style trigger guard with one screw at the front tho. No stripper clip guide leads me to believe it was a commercial action, most likely 50s/60s. There's no way the safety works on that rifle. Not that you would need it tho.

I bid 150 :cool:

j/k it's worth a lot more than that - can you give us the details on the scope? And honestly, if I inherited a gun that nice I would keep it unless I was totally broke. A commercial FN in 7x57. . . ahh I'm droolin here. Would sure look nice next to my 95 chilean

xenophobe
11-14-2006, 11:02 PM
Especially with the round FN logo on the barrel and the caliber marking the way it is, I'm pretty much certain it's a commercial rifle.

Yes, a commercial FN Mauser in 7x57 is desirable.

Stavros
11-14-2006, 11:26 PM
judging by the pictures (if they're accurate) Is there a crest or anything on top of the receiver near the barrel?

I took those pictures tonight of the rifle in it's current condition. The mark above the X appears to either be a very small capital A or a carrot mark as PanzerAce noted.

The only other text on the barrel and receiver reads "Made in Belgium" on the right, and "Chrome Vanadium Steel" on the left. The serial number is on the barrel, the receiver, and the bolt handle and is the same throughout. No other marks at all on the rifle except for a PV Lion mark on the bolt handle.

No rear sight, just the front, and the optic is a Herter's (no model or any numbers) in I believe 4X magnification with a basic thin crosshair, and some made in Japan rings. The stock is a synthetic textured Bell and Carlson with a Pachmayr pad, unknown if original. The barrel floats above the stock about halfway to the front scope mount. Funny thing is the rifle is in like new condition despite being so old sounding, only the bolt face shows evidence of repeated firings.

The safety works, but only if the scope is removed, and I can't seem to removed the bolt in order to clean it without going through the muzzle.

M. Sage
11-15-2006, 1:42 AM
This site's got 1895 Mauser pics, I'd say it's not one of those, and have to go with the commercial Mauser.

http://www.gunsworld.com/spain/95carb.html