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Librarian
04-12-2011, 12:16 PM
h/t Volokh (http://volokh.com/2011/04/12/personal-protection-is-good-and-sufficient-reason-for-carrying-it-to-church/)
It is my opinion that carrying a weapon for personal protection constitutes a good and sufficient reason under the statute to carry a weapon into a place of worship while a meeting for religious purposes is being held there. It is further my opinion that places of worship can restrict or ban firearms from their premises.
It's Virginia, of course, but having the Attorney General, responding to a member of the House of Delegates, issue such an opinion (http://www.oag.state.va.us/OPINIONS/2011opns/11-043.pdf), seems to be a Good Sign.

The Shadow
04-12-2011, 12:50 PM
h/t Volokh (http://volokh.com/2011/04/12/personal-protection-is-good-and-sufficient-reason-for-carrying-it-to-church/)

It's Virginia, of course, but having the Attorney General, responding to a member of the House of Delegates, issue such an opinion (http://www.oag.state.va.us/OPINIONS/2011opns/11-043.pdf), seems to be a Good Sign.

Well, good for Virginia anyway.

jb7706
04-12-2011, 6:20 PM
Amazing to me that may issue California has fewer restrictions on CCW than shall issue VA and other states. Glad that VA is following our lead here. ;)

Andy Taylor
04-12-2011, 7:31 PM
Amazing to me that may issue California has fewer restrictions on CCW than shall issue VA and other states. Glad that VA is following our lead here. ;)


I think that the "may" issue States like CA never really intended for the average people to be carrying, so they didn't bother with restrictions.

Patrick-2
04-12-2011, 7:47 PM
I think that the "may" issue States like CA never really intended for the average people to be carrying, so they didn't bother with restrictions.

Bingo.

Maryland is another example of the logic: we have no official restriction on manner of carry. Those with permits are told that open carry will result in their permit getting yanked, if they are not in some kind of uniform (guard, etc.). So those who carry out of uniform have to conceal.

But the whole system is predicated on the state having the power to grant/revoke a permit at will. When the SAF wins recognition of the right as fundamental...Maryland will be a state where you can choose your poison, at least until the legislature changes it (they only meet 90 days a year, so I see a special session in our future).

Paladin
04-12-2011, 9:14 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/virginia-politics/post/cuccinelli-says-guns-in-churches-are-okay-if-theyre-for-self-defense/2011/04/11/AFvTYPLD_blog.html

VA statute says to CCW in a church, you need a "good and sufficient reason." That kind of sounds like the Good Cause requirement of our May Issue CCW system.

Now, if we could only get CA's AG to say that SD = GC re. getting issued a CA CCW in the first place.

Yeah, I know: the 9th Circuit will force that in "two weeks." :rolleyes:

By that time, I'll be . . . :wheelchair:

Blackhawk556
04-12-2011, 9:28 PM
Dupe. Sorry I'm on mobile.

Munk
04-12-2011, 9:59 PM
it'll be nice when they start treating churches like any other business, NPO, or club. That means the right to refuse service(s) would be in effect, as well as the right of free association. Businesses like restaurants have exercised the preorgative to ban the carry of firearms on their premises, and so should a church have the right to do so. By the same token, they should also have the right to permit carry without issue.

Theseus
04-12-2011, 10:12 PM
I haven't lived in Virginia for a while, but when my step father got his CCW in VA he said they asked him why he wanted one, but didn't even wait to hear an answer before saying "good enough".

I recall that he walked in with an application and out with a permit later that afternoon when they finished the background check.

alvgalb
04-12-2011, 10:38 PM
In a fair sense the priest should carry a gun to do the mass in the way the things are, maybe some snippers also

Wernher von Browning
04-13-2011, 12:17 AM
In a fair sense the priest should carry a gun to do the mass in the way the things are, maybe some snippers also

Snippers?

Don't be silly. Priests don't do circumcisions.

(Ow! Stop that! What did I say?)

FreshTapCoke
04-13-2011, 12:50 AM
Snippers?

Don't be silly. Priests don't do circumcisions.

(Ow! Stop that! What did I say?)

Obviously he meant Rabbi!

wash
04-13-2011, 10:48 AM
Don't you mean Mohel?

jb7706
04-13-2011, 9:37 PM
I think that the "may" issue States like CA never really intended for the average people to be carrying, so they didn't bother with restrictions.

Clearly, but no reason we can't ride the wave!

hoffmang
04-13-2011, 10:45 PM
It's Virginia, of course, but having the Attorney General, responding to a member of the House of Delegates, issue such an opinion (http://www.oag.state.va.us/OPINIONS/2011opns/11-043.pdf), seems to be a Good Sign.

It's also Alan Gura's ex law partner...

-Gene

N6ATF
04-13-2011, 11:49 PM
Woah.

wildhawker
04-14-2011, 12:38 AM
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/5416/guralikeaboss.jpg

Mulay El Raisuli
04-14-2011, 4:06 AM
Snippers?

Don't be silly. Priests don't do circumcisions.

(Ow! Stop that! What did I say?)


LOL!


The Raisuli