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Fish-n-Shoot
04-12-2011, 12:25 AM
So I'm buying a remington 700 really soon and i can't decide between these two calibers. I'll mainly be using this for target shooting, and some hunting if i get lucky with the licenses. So my question is for those who know bullet ballistics and can give me accurate info on these. I want to know which one of these calibers is more accurate. I won't be shooting past about 400 yards so i don't need a 308 that shoots expensive ammo, and 300 magnum is overkill so im down to 270 or 30-06. Now everyone suggests 30-06 to me but every time the argument is the same. The bullet is bigger. I don't see as how i need a bigger bullet. I'm dead accurate and steady with any rifle from a free stand position so the way i see it a 270 will drop a deer the same as a 30-06. My main concern is if shooting say 300 yards out, which will group better. I understand that there won't be much of a difference but this is all that its down to. How about at 600 yards, which bullet has less drop and less prone to effects such as wind. Common sense says the 270 will be better as its smaller and faster but i can write all i know about bullet ballistics in a text message so thought i'd ask before commiting. Thanks for any help. Very much appreciated.

7.62 Charlie
04-12-2011, 12:40 AM
30-06 has more bullet weights to choose from and is a little harder hitting.
270 win is flatter shooting than 30-06.
You really cant go wrong with either.

Hdawg
04-12-2011, 12:46 AM
Let me start by saying I'm not an expert. BUT, if shooting targets is the main use, I think you have the wrong two calibers to pick from. Short and fat tend to be more accurate in general than long and skinny. I think you should look at either the 308 or the 7-08. 308 is in better supply and you can find it cheaper. Also a better selection of factory ammo inluding match ammo. 7-08 I think has better ballistics so it may drop an inch or so less at long range. The differences in all of these is minor, though. Pick whichever is most available to you locally, unless you reload or buy ammo online. In that case, buy whatever you like the sound or looks of. :D

Falconis
04-12-2011, 12:51 AM
Have you shot both rounds yet? Which one do you like better? I remember shooting a 270 out of my buddy's rifle (can't remember which one), but I remember it kicking like a damn mule. He was able to tag a prarie dog that was moving at a pretty good distance away. Split the thing in half. But then again, he's a damn good shot.

My 308 seemed like it had 1/10 the kick of his rifle but it was also a little heavier.

7.62 Charlie
04-12-2011, 1:04 AM
Have you shot both rounds yet? Which one do you like better? I remember shooting a 270 out of my buddy's rifle (can't remember which one), but I remember it kicking like a damn mule. He was able to tag a prarie dog that was moving at a pretty good distance away. Split the thing in half. But then again, he's a damn good shot.

My 308 seemed like it had 1/10 the kick of his rifle but it was also a little heavier.

Hunting rifles tend to kick a bit.
Its because they are lighter so that they are easier to carry.
A good recoil pad will fix that.

Ak707
04-12-2011, 1:05 AM
My 270 is a Remington model 700 it's like a feather weight version or somthin. It's super light, super accurate and kicks like a damn mule. I'd almost go as far to say it kicks harder than my ruger m77 300 mag..

llamatrnr
04-12-2011, 1:22 AM
I saw a tv show recently, in which they spoke very highly of the 6.8 (Gremlin, maybe?) That's all I know about, sorry :confused:

7.62 Charlie
04-12-2011, 1:29 AM
I saw a tv show recently, in which they spoke very highly of the 6.8 (Gremlin, maybe?) That's all I know about, sorry :confused:

6.5 grendal maybe? Or you might be thinking of 6.8 spc

Fjold
04-12-2011, 5:52 AM
The difference in accuracy between the 270 and the 30.06 will depend more on the individual rifle than the cartridge. Either one should be as accurate as the gun it's chambered in and the operator's ability. You say that you don't want a 308 because of the expensive ammunition but the only expensive ammo is the Match ammo of which there is no commercial 30.06 or 270 made. The 308 hunting ammo at Walmart will cost about the same as the 30.06 and 270 ammunition that you find there.

Buy the 308, you'll be happier.

Hornet_RN
04-12-2011, 7:03 AM
.308 for target shooting, like in my experience, i use a .308 for NRA Metallic Silhouette matches

but i would prefer a .30-06 to go hunt with! (however, i have yet to use to use it to take a deer, so don't listen to me...heh)

Fish-n-Shoot
04-12-2011, 7:27 AM
As far as costs, my local wal mart has 308 for about 20 bucks but i've literally never seen it once in stock. The 30-06 is about 18 bucks but the .270, is 14 dollars. Not a typo. That's the only time i've seen such a change in price but its there. And 4 bucks every 20 shots is quite a savings but regardless ammo price doesn't bother me as much as i'm concerned with a flat shooting accurate cartridge. I have shot both 30-06 and 270, and literally could not believe the grouping i got with the 270. The 30-06 did much worse, but the 30-06 was an older rifle though so i wrote it off as rifle error. Both rifles was from a bipod bench so little room for shooter error. What i'm getting so far is that 30-06 and 270 is as near as makes no difference, so i guess what's the difference between 270 and 308. Is it such a gap to justify the 6 bucks in ammo difference and availability? I don't worry about the size of the bullet, as i'll put it where it needs to go most times, but drop wise over distance? Thanks

drunktank
04-12-2011, 8:42 AM
I was in the same boat as you. Planned on using it for hunting white tail but most use would be at the range. Wanted a flatter flying bullet. First I bought a reloader so cost and caliber was more or less a moot point. Accuracy would be great for me because I could work up my own load.

The .30-.06 has a much better selection of hunting bullets than a .308 so I ruled that one out. Accuracy wise there are more than enough loads to keep under moa. Now seeing as I want a flatter shooting round, I decided to go with .270win. Hits hard enough to take down game I plan on hunting and a better trajectory for me than the .06.

Exactly what game are you planning on hunting? If it's the anemic California white tail, a .243 would be an excellent choice. Very flat and ammo is cheap and plentiful. I went .270 due to needing a little more energy. Good luck! I really stress rolling your own ammo. My family uses tsx and ttsx loads in all our rifle and not one of them shoots 1moa or worse. Cheaper to make than buying cheap ammo from wal mart as well.

CHAD PEZZLE
04-12-2011, 9:16 AM
The tighter groupings aren't necessarily related to the caliber as much as they to the brand/quality of ammo and quality of the rifle. Quality match grade ammo is going to be much more accurate than cheap off the shelf ammo at wal-mart.

Off the shelf match grade ammo is where the .308 will have the edge as there is a lot of choices out there and since it's popular with the military there is an abundance of it compared to the other two calibers. Surplus ammo can be found online fairly cheap too just for plinking and practicing.

You can't really judge the price of ammo by what you see at wal-mart. There are much more affordable places to order online.

The .30-06 can out perform the .308 but from what I've read you need to reload your own to really take advantage of it.

The faster flatter shooting round is going to have the least margin for error so maybe that's something you might want for hunting. There will be times where shots are quick and if your not accurate at judging distances the caliber with flattest trajectory will be your best bet.

If I were buying a rifle and planned to shoot a lot, I'd probably get the .308 because I think ammo can be found cheaper. The nice thing about all three calibers is that they are very popular so no matter where you go some shop will usually have a box on the shelf.

Snapping Twig
04-12-2011, 9:52 AM
You can find 30-06 EVERYWHERE, so if you run out or forget to bring your ammo you can get it in the middle of nowhere at hunting camp in the nearest town.

.270 is almost as available, but not quite.

Bullet selection and weight variation is massive with the 30-06, limited with the .270 by comparison.

The .270 is slightly flatter shooting due to better BC/SD, but not all that much.

If you reload, there's more varied selection for the 30-06 in bullets, bullet weights and powder selections since more people have shot it longer and liked it.

O'Conner adherents say the sun rises and sets on the .270 and in many ways they have a point.

I have no use for the .270, but I do admire .284/7mm and .264/6.5mm which bracket it.

I'd get the 30-06 and call it good.

Barbarossa
04-12-2011, 10:00 AM
When I hunted in Wyoming in 2009, we had to have a round that was at least .30 in dia. for deer.

Check the DFG regs where you plan to hunt and buy accordingly.

killshot44
04-12-2011, 10:09 AM
Exactly what game are you planning on hunting? If it's the anemic California white tail, a .243 would be an excellent choice.

There are NO White-Tailed Deer in California. Or Nevada.

We have Mule and Black-Tailed deer here.

Milspec714
04-12-2011, 10:20 AM
everyone's got valid point's also remember that you can find .30-06 ammo practically everywhere you look.. can you say the same for the .270?

CHAD PEZZLE
04-12-2011, 10:22 AM
When I hunted in Wyoming in 2009, we had to have a round that was at least .30 in dia. for deer.

Check the DFG regs where you plan to hunt and buy accordingly.

No caliber size restrictions in Cali. with the exception of it being center fire.

raw24
04-12-2011, 10:26 AM
If somebody asks what caliber rifle they should buy, but he doesn't have a specific idea of what it will be used for, follow the Golden Rule and answer ".30-06." It's versatile, adequate, accurate and available anywhere in the world.


The .270 is a great round but if you can only choose one, the .30-06 is a better choice for the following reasons:

1. More bullet choices
2. Ammunition is more readily available (including inexpensive military surplus via CMP)
3. Will take any North America game with the proper bullet.
4. It is great and accurate from the bench.

This is a no brainer, get the .30-06.

kendog4570
04-12-2011, 10:31 AM
There are NO White-Tailed Deer in California....

I know of one. It's on my buddys wall.;)

newglockster
04-12-2011, 10:34 AM
In my experience, all other things being equal, out of the same rifle, I can tell a big difference in recoil from .270 vs. 30.06. Which translates, at least for me, in better real-life accuracy. ymmv

Bull Elk
04-12-2011, 11:52 AM
My .270 have never failed in taking big bodied Colorado elk. It's about shot placement and bullet construction.

killshot44
04-12-2011, 12:05 PM
There are NO White-Tailed Deer in California. Or Nevada.

We have Mule and Black-Tailed deer here.

I know of one. It's on my buddys wall.;)

Well, yeah, I didn't count the mounted racks I have, either! I lived and hunted in Illinois before moving here, BIG deer there.
I have fond memories of dragging out some big bucks when I weighed about 135lbs...

/threadjack complete. OP, I'd go .270 myself.

Fish-n-Shoot
04-12-2011, 12:19 PM
Thanks guys. Same exact position though. Still can't decide between the 2 lol. Looks like i'll just have to buy both and go from there.

choprzrul
04-12-2011, 12:40 PM
Ammoseek.com for refenence, i.e. $/box of ammo:

.270: Prvi Partizan 130gr SP == $13.95/box 20

.308: Brown Bear SP 140gr == $7.00/box 20 (50 box min)

.30-06: GOLDEN BEAR 168GR SP == $12.36/box 20

I looked for the least expensive Spire Point ammo. You can probably find surplus rounds for the 308 and 30-06 even cheaper. Looks like the .270 is priciest one to keep fed.

SHTF? Think about how many billions of rounds of 7.62 NATO (308) rounds are stored away in bunkers around the world. Compare that to finding 270 or 30-06 ammo.

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rareair
04-12-2011, 12:52 PM
30-06 has more bullet weights to choose from and is a little harder hitting.
270 win is flatter shooting than 30-06.
I personally use a winchester model 70 in 270 for hunting.
You really cant go wrong with either.

X2. The ballistics of the .270 will shoot flatter versus 30-06. What does this mean? The .270 will travel further before gravity takes hold of bullet drop.

OP mentions he wants to shoot no further than 400yrds. 30-06 begins to drop at around 250-300yrds So if you go this route,you'll need to compensate for point of aim, point of impact. Will your scope utilize either a Mil-Dots or a BDC reticle?

I was in the same position last year when I was shopping @ Bass Pro Shops (Ontario, CA) Salesman was more than helpful. At the time, I was considering 30-06 or .308 After hearing what he had to say, I went with his recommendation & got a .270 Perfect for hunting. Now if I was looking for a multi-purpose rifle (hunting/target), I would have chosen the .308 The 30-06 just didn't have energy passed 300yrds

Remington 700SPS BDL .270 with Nikon scope on Leupold mounts & Harris BRM-S bipod
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s146/RareAirResto/Armory/DSC_2127Large.jpg

choprzrul
04-12-2011, 1:03 PM
From Remington's ballistics charts on their website (http://www.remington.com/pages/news-and-resources/ballistics.aspx):

270 w/150gr Express bullet == -61.2" @ 500yds with 200yd zero

308 w/150gr Express bullet == -54.8" @ 500yds with 200yd zero.

Refresh me again on how the 270 is flatter shooting?

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choprzrul
04-12-2011, 1:17 PM
30-06 is even better: 150gr Express @500 is -50.9"

Nearly a foot less drop compared to the .270.

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Bhobbs
04-12-2011, 2:26 PM
30-06 is even better: 150gr Express @500 is -50.9"

Nearly a foot less drop compared to the .270.

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Not to mention if you want to make the most out of the round for target shooting you will be reloading which means you can get the most out of the .30-06.

I just started loading .30-06 for my Remington 700 and am working up a load using Reloader 22 and the 208 A-Max. The .30-06 has enough case capacity to make good use of the 208.

I say 06 for target shooting and hunting.

drunktank
04-24-2011, 12:16 AM
Thanks for the correction killshot! Seems I type faster than I think! :0)

5.56Geo
04-24-2011, 6:52 AM
Get a .270 and don't look back :D!!!!!!!!!! The .270 is a necked down 30-06 with a 0.27" bullet. can't go wrong with either.

toby
04-24-2011, 6:53 AM
The 270 was designed to shoot 130 gr bullets so when comparing 150's to 130's you screw the equation. Just a note on the more bullet choices for the 06 how many different bullets are you going to shoot? I shoot both and have no preference they will both do the same with like bullets choices for the given caliber.