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novass
04-11-2011, 8:45 PM
ok i wont to get a long range 308 500 to 1000 yrds.im torn between a rem 700 or a dpms ar10.are the ar10s really that accurate i have 556 ars and they are great but i wont something that can really get out there.give me some help guys pros and cons.

motorwerks
04-11-2011, 8:53 PM
700 is going to be cheaper to get stated with, AR gets you a mag fed rifle that shoots over and over (10 times in CA, 20 in the free world you know the drill) obviously. I went AR cause its what the cool kids are doing and I had a boat ton of money burning a hole in my pocket.

7.62 Charlie
04-11-2011, 8:53 PM
The remington 700. Its cheaper and probably more accurate.

Twinspool
04-11-2011, 9:05 PM
The remington 700 Savage. Its cheaper and probably more accurate.

FTFY :p

I love my ARs, but for long range, the bolt gun can run more pressure than a gas gun. Neither has an accuracy edge over the other.

bridgeport
04-11-2011, 9:09 PM
Big difference between 500 yds and 1K. .308 will do 1k, and beyond with a bit of skillful operation, good loading, and the right equipment. In my opinion Bolt is the way to go, as it will allow for the options you will want to optimize your ability to shoot groups at the longer ranges. If you go with a bolt rifle, the next question would be why .308. Today, using .308 is kind of like running the 100 yd dash while holding a bowling ball. In other words, you will be much better served by some of the other available cartridges, for instance .260, which is 7.62 necked down to 6.5. Flatter shooting, and will buck the wind better than .308. There are a plethora of other cartridge choices available, even .243 in standard off the rack Remington rifles. Just food for thought.

7.62 Charlie
04-11-2011, 9:11 PM
FTFY :p

I love my ARs, but for long range, the bolt gun can run more pressure than a gas gun. Neither has an accuracy edge over the other.

Thats why i said "probably" more accurate:D

bridgeport
04-11-2011, 9:52 PM
No doubt, the best of the AR-10's, with a well tuned load and a respectable operator can do some decent work, however to take this conversation further, we would have to flesh out how you are defining "accuracy." Does anybody have any documentation on the "best" groups out of an AR-10 at say, 200, 300, 600 or 1K? because there is lots of documentation on group size from bolt rifles at those distances. Again, just food for thought.

novass
04-12-2011, 4:51 AM
that is the thing i cant find anything on ar10 accuracy guys say they shoot as good as a bolt gun but were ar the group sizes or pics

Gofasterdammit
04-12-2011, 6:35 AM
It all depends on your definition of accuracy. An accurate AR-10 platform to me is a GA Precision GAP-10. It's capable of hitting 1.5 MOA steel at 1,000 yards. Two weeks ago at a 1k match practice there was a guy next to me shooting a 18" OBR. The OBR did fine from 200 yards to 500 yards. The groups fell apart at 600 yards, went sub-sonic at 800 yards, dude packed it up at 1k because he couldn't stay on target. For reference:http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2490714#Post2490714

bridgeport
04-12-2011, 5:07 PM
It all depends on your definition of accuracy. Two weeks ago at a 1k match practice there was a guy next to me shooting a 18" OBR. The OBR did fine from 200 yards to 500 yards. The groups fell apart at 600 yards, went sub-sonic at 800 yards, dude packed it up at 1k because he couldn't stay on target.

That about sums up semi auto .308. As far as comparing it to a bolt gun.... as lowlight said... insert giggle here.

Jonathan Doe
04-12-2011, 5:55 PM
I have shot a Stoner SR25 that delivered a 1/2" 5 shot group. But, I prefer a bolt gun for long range shooting. I like simple things.

till44
04-12-2011, 6:05 PM
Bolt guns win for entry level price and accuaracy. I have both and feel very confident out to 500 with both but any farther and the Rem 700 gets most of the use.

Are you going to be just punching paper or actually humping this for hunting? Think about weight if you plan on caring it very far, a well planned AR10 can end up being lighter than a bolt gun.

novass
04-12-2011, 7:31 PM
no i just wont something for paper and maybe squalls

seronian
04-12-2011, 7:38 PM
just got an AR as much fun that thing is its a pain in the arse to clean. my R700P cleans easy....both fun to shoot....