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wazdat
04-11-2011, 12:09 PM
Israel Military Industries (IMI) Name Change to Israel Weapon Industries (IWI) May Exempt Some UZI Firearms from "Assault Weapon" Law

From the Michel & Associates website:
http://www.icontact-archive.com/BCH7ENa6bREhLqD5oJ632Tj8U5tedHKo?w=1

Now that would be so cool! :D

SJgunguy24
04-11-2011, 12:13 PM
Israel Military Industries (IMI) Name Change to Israel Weapon Industries (IWI) May Exempt Some UZI Firearms from "Assault Weapon" Law

Now that would be so cool!

From the Michel & Associates website:

http://www.icontact-archive.com/BCH7ENa6bREhLqD5oJ632Tj8U5tedHKo?w=1

The problem is importation. Most Uzi's can't be imported in that configuration so they would need 922r parts, a receiver is an easy compliance part and would also make that firearm no longer an IWI/IMI uzi. Pistols are a different animal though.

E Pluribus Unum
04-11-2011, 12:26 PM
Israel Military Industries (IMI) Name Change to Israel Weapon Industries (IWI) May Exempt Some UZI Firearms from "Assault Weapon" Law

From the Michel & Associates website:
http://www.icontact-archive.com/BCH7ENa6bREhLqD5oJ632Tj8U5tedHKo?w=1

Now that would be so cool! :D

I already have an NDS uzi... the receivers are awesome, I don't need no stinkin IMI. :)

robcoe
04-11-2011, 12:30 PM
So basically the same idea as that Canadian guy who kept getting stopped by the TSA because his name was on the no fly list, he changed his name and didn't have any more problems.

wash
04-11-2011, 12:46 PM
I hope IWI starts stamping their name upside down...

Gio
04-11-2011, 12:47 PM
I hope IWI starts stamping their name upside down...

Good one :D

tonelar
04-11-2011, 12:56 PM
This doesnt have much bearing Robert Roos lists these as UZI not IMI.

Page 9 shows UZI being banned in Rifle and Pistol categories.
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/Cfl2007.pdf
So unless IWI starts importing U21 (not UZI) pistols, the name change to IWI doesn't do any of us much good here in Cali.

bwiese
04-11-2011, 1:21 PM
This doesnt have much bearing Robert Roos lists these as UZI not IMI.

Page 9 shows UZI being banned in Rifle and Pistol categories.
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/Cfl2007.pdf
So unless IWI starts importing U21 (not UZI) pistols, the name change to IWI doesn't do any of us much good here in Cali.

Nope, not quite, by quite a bit.

You linked a summary and not the actual law + regulation.

While 12276PC bans "Uzi" the clarifying regulation in 11 CCR 5495 adds the restriction "IMI Uzi". The regulatory echo of 12276 Roberti Roos list in 11 CCR 5495 is a clarification and cannot be an addition.

This is a restrictive clarification since the DOJ never had the power to add new items to the Roberti-Roos list, etc. Only after Kasler would they add AR/AK variants to the AR/AK 'series' member "Kasler" list.

They could add Bushmaster XM15 to the Kasler list, but they could not add Imbel FAL clones to the Roberti-Roos list (just as an example). Before onset of AB2728, the only way (outside of identifying new AR/AK 'series' members) the only codified way to add new AWs to the Roberti-Roos list was to do a 12276.5PC petition in certain Superior Courts to get a temporary then permanent finding of "AWness".

Now, if you had a gun marked Uzi with markings by IMI, that would be a problem. But methinks these guns may have just said Uzi and not IMI etc. (may have had importer markings instead).

Also, this is wholly separate from SB23 features ban, which is still applicable.

From a more practical standpoint - outside of legal defense and challenges of law - there are plenty of fully legal Uzi-style pistols being made from off-list Group Industries, etc. rifle-sized receivers and being legally transferred inside CA. Since these guns have the magwell integrated into the pistol grip they have a 'conventional pistol' toplogy and only need the front handguard removed (and can't have threaded barrels) to avoid CA AW status. Such guns can thus use detachable hicap magazines you may have. It's quite ironic that the law designed to prevent one of the key 'poltically ugly' guns that lead to the ban has instead driven its flourishment with a trivial tweak.

tonelar
04-11-2011, 1:42 PM
bweise?! You're my hero!
I was looking at a Springfield Arms UZI pistol the other day... Looked up the stupid pdf to see if it mentions Action Arms or IMI and was SAD to see it just said "UZI".
Very cool news indeed!

For future reference, where can a regular guy access the actual code?

or

Is this it?
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/chapter40.pdf

Calguns Rocks!

Ford8N
04-11-2011, 1:45 PM
I would like to see the mini IWI mini "uzi" pistol with a reasonable price. The group industries mini's are a ripoff.

safewaysecurity
04-11-2011, 2:25 PM
Single shot exemption guys.

bwiese
04-11-2011, 3:13 PM
bweise?! You're my hero!
I was looking at a Springfield Arms UZI pistol the other day... Looked up the stupid pdf to see if it mentions Action Arms or IMI and was SAD to see it just said "UZI".
Very cool news indeed!

For future reference, where can a regular guy access the actual code?

or

Is this it?
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/chapter40.pdf

Calguns Rocks!

That is the the regulatory code for the echoed Roberti-Roos list (5495) and the Kasler list (5499). The original Roberti Roos list is statutory at 12276PC.

I will say that having a Springfield Armory Uzi (let's assume SB23 OLL compliance parts in place) in a traffic stop could be 'interesting' given the statute vs regulatory code difference plus the inflammatory nature of the gun.

That being said, I'll be acquiring a Group Industries pistol (non-AW w/no handgrip) via single-shot pistol Roster exemption. After I get it it gets multishotted w/detachable mags. I own quite a few Uzi-compatible "3-way combo" hicap mags from the pre-2000 days when I had one of my ARs configured as a 9mm.

Scott Connors
04-11-2011, 4:37 PM
Good one :D

Speaking of which, ever notice in your rear-view mirror what the Izusu grill logo looks like? :D

Markus
04-11-2011, 4:46 PM
How much does an Uzi cost??

Kharn
04-11-2011, 4:51 PM
$600ish for a used Group Industries carbine, $6.5k for a gently used Group Industries SMG, both built by Vector
the mags, short barrels, different stocks, railed top cover, Aimpoint Micro and suppressor get expensive.

Markus
04-11-2011, 11:23 PM
Anybody know of any place in the OC that sells UZIs in this price range?

aklover_91
04-12-2011, 1:51 AM
Anybody know of any place in the OC that sells UZIs in this price range?

You aren't going to find one for that price here, seeing as how they need a single shot conversion at the very least, and there'll undoubtedly be some profiteering involved.

Ford8N
04-12-2011, 4:02 AM
Hit up GunBroker and use a middleman. Much cheaper.