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BluNorthern
04-11-2011, 8:50 AM
Something about this was posted previously but thought I'd share this as it regards the Sacramento area. Sounds like it will be biased against us, but we'll have to see.

http://www.sacbee.com/2011/04/11/3542856/hbo-visits-local-er-in-look-at.html

Hogxtz
04-11-2011, 9:44 AM
Yeah its advertised on the Brady internet sight. They are advising all to watch it. Its going to bad for our side.

Untamed1972
04-11-2011, 9:55 AM
In reading that article I had a thought:

--Perhaps we ask a community of law-abiding gun-owners needs to start likening legal gun ownership and use, especially for personal protection, to that of legal prescription drug use.


Here they are interviewing medical professionals, it would be interesting to gauge the reaction of Dr's if suddenly when the debate of "drug use / drug related crime" was just lumped in without distiction with the legitimate, legal use of presciption drugs.

Just like the proper use of prescription drugs undeniable is a positive things that can in no way be related to, or lumped in with the tragic effects of illegal drug use / addiction, the proper and legal use of guns cannot simply be wholesale lumped in with the illegal use of guns by criminals and those engaged in criminal activity.

Hogxtz
04-11-2011, 10:05 AM
If this is only one sided and attempts to stir the anti-gun emotions I hope the NRA tells all members to boycott HBO and cancel them.

ChuckBooty
04-11-2011, 10:45 AM
Visiting a local ER in a high crime area to do a documentary on gun laws is is like going Planned Parenthood to do a documentary on puberty.

Glock22Fan
04-11-2011, 12:13 PM
Well, when you look at who is featured, you surely know what to expect. And probably who had the idea in the first place.


The scene was all too common for Dr. Garen Wintemute, professor of emergency medicine (http://topics.sacbee.com/emergency+medicine/) at the University of California, (http://topics.sacbee.com/University+of+California/) Davis.

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Wintemute, a nationally recognized expert on gun violence (http://topics.sacbee.com/Gun+Violence/) and director of UC Davis' Violence Prevention Research Program, is featured prominently in an HBO documentary premiering Wednesday and also airing Saturday and on April 21, 25 and 29.

Wherryj
04-11-2011, 12:23 PM
In reading that article I had a thought:

--Perhaps we ask a community of law-abiding gun-owners needs to start likening legal gun ownership and use, especially for personal protection, to that of legal prescription drug use.


Here they are interviewing medical professionals, it would be interesting to gauge the reaction of Dr's if suddenly when the debate of "drug use / drug related crime" was just lumped in without distiction with the legitimate, legal use of presciption drugs.

Just like the proper use of prescription drugs undeniable is a positive things that can in no way be related to, or lumped in with the tragic effects of illegal drug use / addiction, the proper and legal use of guns cannot simply be wholesale lumped in with the illegal use of guns by criminals and those engaged in criminal activity.

Actually, this is already being done to physicians. The state has declared a "War on pain" . They want physicians to adequately treat a patient's pain symptoms, giving a fair chance to the patient that their symptoms will be believed and not just assumed to be "drug seeking".

The feds have declared a "war on drugs" . This entails exactly the opposite: any practitioner prescribing more than the rest of the doctors in the area who are cowed into under treating their patient's pain is suddenly the outlier who must explain their behavior).

Even with this sort of pressure going on, most physicians would be unlikely to listen to this sort of appeal to reason. Stances on gun control are typically emotional. Anyone who would listen to an appeal to reason probably already has done so.

Wherryj
04-11-2011, 12:24 PM
Well, when you look at who is featured, you surely know what to expect. And probably who had the idea in the first place.

I guess that Penn and Teller were locked up in their Showtime contract and weren't available for the HBO documentary?

Lost.monkey
04-11-2011, 12:27 PM
People will always find a way to off each other.

Look to the prisons. If weapons are illegal, in a regimented and controlled environment, then why are so many uncovered in cell searches?

Human nature is difficult to reprogram, especially when money/power is involved. We're not ready as a species for disarmament.

Untamed1972
04-11-2011, 2:01 PM
Actually, this is already being done to physicians. The state has declared a "War on pain" . They want physicians to adequately treat a patient's pain symptoms, giving a fair chance to the patient that their symptoms will be believed and not just assumed to be "drug seeking".

The feds have declared a "war on drugs" . This entails exactly the opposite: any practitioner prescribing more than the rest of the doctors in the area who are cowed into under treating their patient's pain is suddenly the outlier who must explain their behavior).

Even with this sort of pressure going on, most physicians would be unlikely to listen to this sort of appeal to reason. Stances on gun control are typically emotional. Anyone who would listen to an appeal to reason probably already has done so.

I was thinking more of making the analogy to the general public. Drugs/medication is something the average person easily understands and can make the distiction between beneficial use of properly prescribed drugs vs. illegal drug abuse. It's an analogy of how one thing can be either good or bad depending on how it's used, and to wholesale lump it all together with the bad uses deprives those of it who need it for legitimate, beneficial use.

Firemark
04-11-2011, 2:27 PM
Yeah its advertised on the Brady internet sight. They are advising all to watch it. Its going to bad for our side.

Interesting how CA state legislation on gun control issues are happening about the same time as the debut of this Anti gun rights show based in CA.

What a coincidence?

CHS
04-11-2011, 2:32 PM
"What that meant was if we wanted to reduce the number of people who died each year from gun violence, we needed to reduce the number of people who got shot."


Bunch of geniuses there.

Untamed1972
04-11-2011, 2:58 PM
Bunch of geniuses there.

"What that meant was if we wanted to reduce the number of people who died each year from gun violence, we needed to reduce the number of people who got shot."


Perhaps we could respond that "If we want to reduce the number of deaths to medical malpractice we simply need to reduce the number of doctors."

That's the problem with modern western medicine, all they know how to do is treat symptoms anymore......they're forgotten about actually looking at treating or eliminating causes.

The cause of "gun-crimes" is not guns, it's crime/criminals...both of which oddly enough existed long before guns did. So treating the symptom, ie guns, will not treat/cure the cause which is crime.

hoffmang
04-11-2011, 5:49 PM
Dr. Wintemute hates us and is well known to those who track the anti-gun side.

-Gene

Krak
04-11-2011, 6:02 PM
Would it be wrong to boycott this documentary? We all know that its only going to bombard viewers with anti-gun statistics and images, then call for more gun control.