Jerry Brown's anti-gun record

[mikehaas]

I can't find one, and I've been looking. Mayor of Oakland and former governor, can't locate any anti-gun votes. Here's what I HAVE found out...

1. The Alameda NRA Members' Council reports that JB gives their booth a "thumbs up" when he passes by.

2. NRA's Project Exile was imlemented in Oakland on his watch.

Maybe... just maybe... the forum members should stop insulting the guy. After all, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HIS SUPPORT, WOULDN'T WE? Duh?

It looks like Mr. Brown will face an important crossroads in his political career - HE WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE GUN ISSUE DIRECTLY AND AS NEVER BEFORE. And from what I can find out, HE'S CERTAINLY NO LOCKYER, HE'S NO KORETZ, HE'S NO FEINSTEIN. And, it seems like a CRITICAL time for DOJ-gun owner relations to me, doesn't it to you?

When you have the opportunity for an important government official to look your situation over and decide to support you or not, maybe calling him names and lying about his positions is not a the best tact?

I suggest this is not the best time for people to vent their not-very-well-thought-out anti-Democrat biases and heap them on Jerry Brown. Not only is that kind of "FEELS GOOD" garbage potentially harmful to progress in the OLL situation, it just doesn't make sense at this time.

Words mean things.

Mike

[PLINK]

I too was surprised when one of the NRA reps. at the August hearing stated that who ever wins the AG spot between JB and CP, we would still be OK. He felt it would be a win win situation reguardless of who won (better then who we have now). I still voted for CP. I won't say a word until I see how JB performs.

[Grakken]

Actions are louder than words. So we will see but I will listen and take your advice.

[artherd]

Waiting with baited breath, and open arms.

[xrMike]

Some quick googling turned up the following:

Apparantly he was FOR AB50:

http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=4776

Apparantly he is FOR new legislation requiring microstamping, and he WAS endorsed by the Brady Campaign:

http://www.bradycampaign.org/media/?pagename=release&release=800

You're right about name-calling though. No real point in it, and nothing gained by it.

[jonb]

Every time a forum member insults someone at DOJ, or another public official I cringe. The surest way to make someone your enemy, and motivate that enemy to work tirelessly to make your life miserable is to publicly insult them. Since it's widely believed that DOJ monitors this site it stands to reason that posts that contain insults are probably counter-productive. It's tough enough for us without baiting DOJ employees.

At the Aug 16 hearing, the man from DOJ who seemed to be running the show made a statement to the effect of "we don't want or need things to get down to a personal level." I can't recall the exact wording he used, but I got the impression he was alluding to personal attacks on his staff. He was completely proffesional, in contrast to the man at his right (our left) who was fairly oozing with hostility.

Call me crazy, but I think we are responsible for the level of hostility we are encountering. I think we are motivating these people to work harder against us when they read personal insults directed at them.

Okay, off the soap box.

[CALI-gula]

I am willing to give Jerry Brown his chance. I am also willing to let him extricate the old lunar nickname from his history and pop-culture, by the choices he makes going forward.

However, what are we supposed to think when ads and statments like those below were (and remain) on HIS website? This website is not some unrelated organization; these are posted on Jerry Brown's OWN website.

California was very different when Jerry Brown previously held state executive offices. His opportunities to establish Anti-2nd Amendment measures were not as broad at that time, considering the difference in sentiment. And often, they were mandated by what legislature put before him.

While a mayor of Oakland, it was logical to respect the State's preemption laws; passing any Anti-2nd Amendment ordinances at that time would have been futile and costly for a cash strapped city. Again, as a mayor, did he even have opportunity to vote or veto either way?

Old California was more pro-2nd Amendment. Jerry would have been eviscerated for logging anti-2nd Amendment choices at that time. Things have changed since the days of Gray Davis. So in the current atmosphere, will he be able to take advantage of that and finally act on his true motives in this modern CA? It's a question only Jerry Brown will answer. And since he is not hindered by term limits as Governor, will he be Governor again to express those postions in this post Gray Davis California?

Speculation as to him NOT having Anti-2nd Amendment positions in our present day, carries no proof whatsoever, either. His previous voting records on 2nd Amendment issues carry little clout as he had little opportunity to carry a significant vote on such issues in those atmospheres, IF ANY. As Governor, did the legislature ever give him the chance to veto any Anti-2nd Amendment bills? As mayor, wasn't it futile to vet any Anti-2nd Amendment ordinances in that time? His same lack for a voting record does not prove he is Pro-2nd Amendment either; it just says he didn’t get the chance in the executive offices he held to prove them, as legislature never gave him that opportunity. If that is wrong, point out otherwise, as I would clearly like to see it.

Sarah Brady never got the chance to vote or veto a California Anti-2nd Amendment measure either, would that make her “Not so bad” if she ran for CA State Attorney General?

However, those noting he can be a problem have Jerry Brown’s own website and statements during the campaign to which they may point. If someone clearly posts the items below on their website, that is clear proclamation as to their opinions on the 2nd Amendment and affection for gun control, and as good a factual measure on the subject as any lack of voting simply because the opportunity to vote or veto never presented itself.

http://jerrybrown.org/node/295

http://jerrybrown.org/node/283

http://jerrybrown.org/node/270

http://jerrybrown.org/node/268

And previously, noted on the Brown wesbite, was this bit from the Brady Campaign Website:

http://www.bradycampaign.org/media/?...se&release=800


Jerry Brown’s add during the campaign: Jerry Brown “warns the public that Charles Poochigian wanted to legalize 50 Caliber BMG Sniper Rifles" (Well, they were already legal, and Chuck Poochigian was against BANNING firearms). "The 4 ½ foot-long weapons fire one of the world’s largest bullets that can penetrate 3 ½ inches of raw steel. In the spot, a police captain says, “One round from a 50 caliber assault rifle is capable of passing through two police cars and come out the other side and still kill you. California’s police wanted to ban it. But career legislator Charles Poochigian voted to keep these 50 caliber killing machines legal.”


NOBODY NEEDS TO PROVE ANY OF THE ABOVE WRONG EXCEPT JERRY BROWN.

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[Dont Tread on Me]

Waiting with baited breath, and open arms.

Same here. If Hillary came out tomorrow with sensible gun policies I'd embrace her (metaphorically) and change my aviator.

[arguy15]

Please don't make our friends at the DOJ mad at us.
WE love you guys. You are our friends.

[James R.]

I dunno the guy worries me. The mere fact that he ran with anti-gun blather as the very FIRST thing he said against Chuck Poochigan makes me think he's gonna have to follow thru with some of his rhetoric to stay credible.

For instance, what the hell exactly does he mean when he makes statements like, "the 50 BMG military sniper rifle will not see the light of day if I'm elected to AG" (paraphrased). I mean what exactly is he saying there? The gun is already banninated, you can't baninate it more can you? Is he going to somehow make the ammo illegal or virtually impossible to obtain?

I consider the 50 BMG something of a logical litmus test. Our previous moron of a president (not to be confused with the current semi-moron) banned various, "AW" which represented like what, 1% of the total problem as regards crimes committed with guns? Take the 50 BMG and look at its numbers and the whole notion of putting energy into banning that becomes many orders of magnitude more irrational.

People who enact laws based on their emotional responses to things IMHO should not be trusted. They're supposed to weigh the facts of the matter and then make decisions based on those facts. Jerry Browns response is clearly an emotional one designed to appeal to left leaning anti-gun Liberals and Democrats.

Regards,

James R.

[hoffmang]

Gents,

I think what Mikes is asking here and I would ten to concur with may run along these lines:

As Brown starts at the DOJ one of the top 5 annoying issues is this possible new regulation and the individuals behind it. He may very well make certain HR moves that could be in our interest.

Let's see what happens.

-Gene

[Centurion_D]

Don't anyone kid themselves. The bottom line is that if any politician get a endorsment from the Brady bunch then he is a enemy of us law abiding gun owners.

[elsolo]

That leopard allready showed us his spots when he campaigned on the .50BMG issue as he ran for AG.

[Ford8N]

mikehaas

Has the NRA approached Jerry Brown about the OLL conundrum?

[azn_wrx]

Just from watching the 50BMG commercials was enough for me to not like him at all.

[mikehaas]

mikehaas

Has the NRA approached Jerry Brown about the OLL conundrum?
C'mon, now - whatever communications that might go on between DOJ/JB/whoever and NRA that I learn about - no one here would want me to talk about it, would you?

I know it's always "nice to know", but surely you could see that if NRA isn't talking about such things publicly, it's not in ANY of our interest that "it" be revealed. If someone here overheard a secret NRA planning meeting somehow, the worst thing you could do would be to run to calguns and fill us all in.

This year you guys saw the unfolding of a lot of events that I would have loved to have posted about ahead of time. But if I did, I'd have lost the trust of those I work with. I haven't had the chance to make much of a difference yet, so I think I'll wait before I self-destruct. No secrets this week. :-)

Mike

[mikehaas]

Just from watching the 50BMG commercials was enough for me to not like him at all.
Yeah, same here. And I'm webmaster for FCI and FCSA! Believe me, .50 cal owners all over the country are upset about that. Y'know, there's more that I heard behind THAT story too, but that's not the point. I'm no Jerry Brown cheerleader and even if there might have been reasons for that commercial other than hatred of guns, I'm not going to get stuck in the box of defending the guy.

Like everyone else here, I voted for Pooch.

All I'm saying is, the election's over. Ok, there might be a court case about Brown's legitimacy, but since you can't really support such an effort other than donating to lawyers - there's no political edge to it - that just has to play out in the courts.

Until then, he's the AG (or AG elect). Now, let's get down to business, see where he goes, NRA goes, the legislature goes and be ready to support NRA when the call is made. It's actually JB's move now. He knows the problem child he has up there. He knows she has revised proposed regulations that she wants to pass ASAP. Well, let's stay focused on that too... MAKE SURE EVERYONE YOU KNOW KNOWS ABOUT THIS...
http://calnra.com/calerts/calert110706.shtml

See, we have real work to do folks. Certain people at DOJ would love to think we're crying in our beer about JB winning, about Republicans being rousted and a general state of misery and depression. But I suspect it will trouble those same parties to see that we're actually taking care of business. And all of it is part of the mix that will likely influence Mr. Brown's future staffing decisions.

Mike

[762cavalier]

Trying to butter him up is going to get 'us' about as far as buttering up Lockyer.

Maybe, but continuing to call him names is like poking sticks at a bear. It doesn't help your case out and all it does is piss of the bear.;)

[bbq_ribs]

Yeah, we oughta lay off the name calling.

I think it'd be funny if a whole bunch of us showed up outside the DOJ offices and held a big charity picnic, though. ;-)

[taloft]

Is anyone else having flashbacks of a similar conversation approx. 5 weeks ago?:rolleyes:....



....Here it is.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=40426&highlight=Calling+Jerry+Brown

I stand by my original statements.

[M. Sage]

I've got to admit his anti-gun campaign rhetoric is scary.

Nothing we can do, but just wait and see.

[Dont Tread on Me]

Fundamentally, if you look at the gun community from the vantage point of a typical democratic lawmaker, all you see are rednecks who are foaming at the mouth. Looking at this forum would only reinforce that impression.

I think you have a point. Mike's trying to tell us that there are few clear "black" and "white" hats in this game but many "grey" hats.

There are many smart and eloquent gun owners on this board and at ranges around the State. We need these people to step up and get our message across. If the smart folks don't step up then only the nut jobs on both sides of the gun rights divide will be talking.

[tankerman]

Just because some guy gives you the thumbs up when he goes by your booth does not mean that he's on your side. I saw his commercials that aired down here against POOCH, the one that stated that his opponent was for allowing military type assault weapons to become legal. That is from HIS campaign. JB has a history of misleading voters, he still acts as though he had no idea how Rose Bird would act on the bench.
Sugar coating a politician such as him is a mistake. I also think that he does not read from Calguns and does not care what is said about him. This guy is a career politician and has very thick skin. Don't you think that he has read thousands of negative pieces about himself? Also, Jerry is now the AG of a state that has 35 million residents. His plate is full.
It seems that the political discussions have taken on a egocentric tone. Tunnel vision.