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Toy4Rick
04-09-2011, 4:53 PM
Hey gang,

My 30 year old 10/22 needs some trigger help. Pretty heavy and could be smoother. Is it possible to help it out on my own or what do you folks suggest?

I am not looking for a match grade trigger nor can I tolerate the expense of such, what are my options?

Toy4Rick

chickenfried
04-09-2011, 5:14 PM
I installed a volquartsen hammer and power custom shim kit in my 10/22T, very happy with the trigger. Pretty inexepensive. Maybe I did more but that's what I can recall. This was a few years ago after research on rimfirecentral. I'd suggest taking a look over there.
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=220

Flyingpootang
04-09-2011, 5:15 PM
Power Customs hammer, sear, spring, shim kit for @ 39.00. Very light smooth trigger after 100 round break in.

Dead*Reckoned
04-09-2011, 8:09 PM
I took my stock trigger down from around 8 pounds to 4 and 1/2. Just use fine grit sandpaper to polish key surfaces. Then after, work on the angle of the notch in the hammer. Good luck, it's not hard.

railroader
04-09-2011, 9:10 PM
I'll second the VQ hammer. I have one in my 10/22 and made the pull light and smooth. Mark

santamonica9
04-09-2011, 10:33 PM
I took my stock trigger down from around 8 pounds to 4 and 1/2. Just use fine grit sandpaper to polish key surfaces. Then after, work on the angle of the notch in the hammer. Good luck, it's not hard.

check youtube, rimfirecentral.com, google etc. TONS of info how do to this on your own with stock parts too. Just as posted by "Dead" buffing out all the spots that have metal on metal contact is key. Be carefull about that angle of the notch. If your stuck and need help just shoot me a PM

I did mine on my own, on my stock parts and am very happy with it. so is all who have tried shooting my 10/22

if you want to you can aways just do the upgrade parts with the newer stuff:
volquerston & KIDD seems to be the best ive heard, but many swear by power customs as well as others. timney makes a drop in trigger too - but these options can easily cost you a brand new 10/22, its all up to you

BayAreaShooter
04-09-2011, 11:53 PM
I went with a Hornet customs drop in trigger group. Great buy for the money if you ask me.

http://www.hornetproducts.com/bin/category.asp?category=10

X-NewYawker
04-09-2011, 11:57 PM
I went with a Hornet customs drop in trigger group. Great buy for the money if you ask me.

http://www.hornetproducts.com/bin/category.asp?category=10

Herm at Hornet will also tune your existing trigger group.

All my triggers are Hornet or Volquartsen!

Hornet has this bargain unit as well:

http://www.hornetproducts.com/ViewProduct.asp?ModelNumber=Plinker-s

Gem1950
04-10-2011, 6:33 PM
http://home.earthlink.net/~nrwilson01/triggermods/

jackandblood
04-10-2011, 6:40 PM
dont triggers tend to improve with use? maybe the trigger group just needs a good cleaning.

SAR_boats
04-10-2011, 6:45 PM
x3 for Volquartsen custom

Kryptyde
04-11-2011, 8:15 AM
Yes, its match grade and yes its expensive...but the KID Two Stage trigger is in a class of its own. One big issue with it though...you wont want to fire your other guns much any more.

OP you might want to check out what people have done on rimfirecentral as there is a wealth of detailed info there.

chickenfried
04-11-2011, 8:18 AM
I think a trigger that costs more than the rifle can be eliminated from the list of prospects.:p
I am not looking for a match grade trigger nor can I tolerate the expense of such,
Toy4Rick

santamonica9
04-11-2011, 11:54 PM
http://home.earthlink.net/~nrwilson01/triggermods/

great link!! this should help anyone doing 10/22 work. Good Job :D

Fish-n-Shoot
04-12-2011, 12:04 AM
I just did this last week. Now let me say that i'm an experienced knife maker and i know quite a bit about polishing. I did everything in this picture and hand rubbed all the surfaces to 1200 grit then polished for about a 1500 grit finish. Mirror coat all the way. Now it did get rid of all the creep in the trigger. Super smooth now, But it only reduced it from about 8 pounds to about 6.5 to 7. Barely any difference. I'm thinking gonna change the angle of the hammer and try that. I'll keep it posted here if i figure out how to do it right.

great link!! this should help anyone doing 10/22 work. Good Job :D

Fish-n-Shoot
04-12-2011, 12:06 AM
Forgot to add that he does more than he shows. He states that he doesn't show everything so as not to lose business. Obviously he does something extra that does the big changes to the trigger pull. My brother knows quite a bit about guns and gunsmithing so i'm taking it to him in a few days to take a look and make some suggestions. I'm sure i'll get somethin done. If not then last resort is volquartsen hammer. not too expensive.

Gem1950
04-12-2011, 4:30 AM
Forgot to add that he does more than he shows. He states that he doesn't show everything so as not to lose business. Obviously he does something extra that does the big changes to the trigger pull. My brother knows quite a bit about guns and gunsmithing so i'm taking it to him in a few days to take a look and make some suggestions. I'm sure i'll get somethin done. If not then last resort is volquartsen hammer. not too expensive.

It helps to install an over-travel stop screw in the trigger. I also polish the end of the hammer spring post. Hammer and sear bushings help a little. You can also fix the radius on the bolt where it contacts the hammer (although this has nothing to do with trigger pull). In the end there is only so much one can do with the factory parts before you go to the next level and buy the custom aftermarket parts.

Fish-n-Shoot
04-12-2011, 7:31 AM
In the end there is only so much one can do with the factory parts before you go to the next level and buy the custom aftermarket parts.

Well aint that a kick in the groin :( should harldy waste my time then lol. Volquartsen here i come. Already got 800 into the 10/22, what's another 200 gonna do....

Kryptyde
04-12-2011, 10:03 AM
Well aint that a kick in the groin :( should harldy waste my time then lol. Volquartsen here i come. Already got 800 into the 10/22, what's another 200 gonna do....

VQ are decent...but do yourself a favor and get a KID. It is vastly superior and generally considered the best trigger you can find for a 10/22. The real 10/22 experts on rimfirecentral all agree. I bought my two stage KID trigger on their recommenation and it is an absolute joy to shoot.

chickenfried
04-12-2011, 10:11 AM
We're thread drifting :p but I agree if you want the best kid's the one. But IMO it's not $300 better than a modded 10/22 trigger.

Better than owning a kid. Beating your friend that upped the 10/22 arms race between you and installed the kid :p. I looked over at his bench and spotted the telltale red trigger. The shock and awe almost got to me.

XDRoX
04-12-2011, 10:41 AM
Very doable to do a trigger job yourself with a little patience. Here are some instructions I wrote up a while back. Do these mods and throw in a VQ hammer and you'll have a very nice trigger.

IMO the 10/22 is an awesome little plinker right out of the box. But for little money you can make some drastic improvements to it making it even more fun to shoot.
IMO these few mods will make the gun much easier to use and more fun to shoot.

I'm not a gunsmith so if you attempt to do any of these mods you do so at your own risk.
Also, I didn't invent any of these mods by any means. Most of these I took from rimfirecentral over the years. I just did these mods tonight on a used 10/22 I picked up few weeks ago for $169. It is a basic carbine 10/22. I think the manufacture date was around 1994.
http://members.cox.net/chrismosteller/tree58.jpg

There are five mods that will really improve any factory stock 10/22.
1. Polishing the internals
2. Modifying the bolt release
3. Changing the magazine release
4. Changing the bolt buffer
5. Changing the extractor

Polishing
There are 3 pieces to polish. Polishing these internals will not lighten the trigger pull. The easiest way to lighten a trigger is to buy an aftermarket hammer. I choose not to replace the hammer in this 10/22 because I use it to teach kids to shoot, and don't mind the 8 lb stock trigger.
On the disconnector I polished one face. The hammer rubs against the disconnector on this face.
http://members.cox.net/chrismosteller/tree40.jpg

On the hammer I polished one face and the curved end. The flat face is where the hammer makes contact with the bolt and the curved end is where the hammer makes contact with the sear.
http://members.cox.net/chrismosteller/tree37.jpg

The sear gets polished in 3 places.
This picture shows where the sear makes contact with the hammer.
http://members.cox.net/chrismosteller/tree44.jpg

This picture shows where the sear makes contact with the disconnector.
I polished the following 2 faces.
http://members.cox.net/chrismosteller/tree43.jpg

That's all for the polishing. These mods will make the trigger much more crisp and reset better as well. The difference is felt immediately.

XDRoX
04-12-2011, 10:42 AM
Bolt Release
For those of us that have a 10/22, we know that the bolt can be very frustrating to release. For some reason Ruger likes to make you fiddle with a button while pulling on the bolt. This mod makes the rifle act like any other semi-auto rifle, and it is easy to do. You just have to use a dremel to take off some of the material of the bolt release. This picture shows how much you have to take off.
The factory bolt release is on the right.
http://members.cox.net/chrismosteller/tree52.jpg

Mag Release
I don't have huge hands, but I have a very hard time pushing the small mag release button to take out a mag. So I think an extended mag release button is a must on any 10/22. Lots of companies make these, so just pick one that you like, you really can't go wrong.
The one I installed tonight is made by Butler Creek. I don't know if they still make these (bought this one about 15 years ago) but I like it because it is barely noticeable, but still makes taking the mag out much easier.
You can see it in this photo:
http://members.cox.net/chrismosteller/tree55.jpg

Bolt Buffer
You can also see the bolt buffer that I changed as well. This is basically a piece of rubber that replaces a metal pin. Instead of the bolt slamming against metal it hits rubber. This also makes the gun cycle much quieter. The one in this picture is made my Volquartsen, I'm not sure if they still make these, but a company called Tuffer Buffer makes great ones as well. They cost $7.

XDRoX
04-12-2011, 10:42 AM
Extractor
The last thing I like to change is the extractor. This can help with shell extraction, which sometimes 10/22's don't do as well as they should. With this used 10/22 I was getting about 1 stovepipe every 25 rounds or so. In the past when I changed the extractor, this FTE problem was fixed.
I use an extractor made by Volquartsen like this one here:
http://www.rimfiresports.com/graphics/00000001/t_VC10EE.jpg
It cost $12.

That's it. Hope this helps and hope this makes some old 10/22's run better and stronger than ever before.
A few more pics.
Fully disassembled pieces and my finished product.
http://members.cox.net/chrismosteller/tree49.jpg

http://members.cox.net/chrismosteller/tree58.jpg

Fish-n-Shoot
04-12-2011, 12:32 PM
Very nice job XDRox. I'm impressed. Clean and understandable unlike most stuff on the internet.

XDRoX
04-12-2011, 12:39 PM
Very nice job XDRox. I'm impressed. Clean and understandable unlike most stuff on the internet.

Thanks. I wrote these about a year ago. I was actually thinking that I should be a little more specific in some of the parts like the bolt release mod for example.

Just doing everything in these instructions and then throwing in an after market hammer will yield awesome results.

Here are a couple of other 10/22's of mine:

http://members.cox.net/chrismosteller/1022.jpg

http://members.cox.net/chrismosteller/gy2.jpg

GMG
08-08-2011, 1:32 PM
Tagged........Thanks for the info!

iron330
08-08-2011, 5:51 PM
XDRoX, wondering who makes the black stock for the 10/22 in the top photo above?

HeHateMe
08-08-2011, 8:12 PM
Bell and Carlson. I have the exact stock on one of my 10/22s. Love it. Great for offhand and bench.

XDRoX
08-08-2011, 8:12 PM
XDRoX, wondering who makes the black stock for the 10/22 in the top photo above?

That's a Bell & Carlson. They make very good stocks for a reasonable price.

XDRoX
08-08-2011, 8:13 PM
Beat me to it:D

AragornElessar86
09-02-2011, 12:16 AM
Xdrox, what do you use to polish the parts?

Also, what advantage does the VQ hammer give you and how/why?

XDRoX
09-02-2011, 11:33 AM
Xdrox, what do you use to polish the parts?

Also, what advantage does the VQ hammer give you and how/why?

I use a dremel and polishing compound.

The VQ trigger will drop the pull down from 8lbs to 3lbs. It has different angles than the factory trigger.

It's very important to not change any of the angles on any of the parts. But with a dremel and polishing wheel it would be really hard to do so. And after trigger jobs you should only load one or two rounds at a time just in case it goes fully auto.

AragornElessar86
09-02-2011, 11:19 PM
Awesome, thanks.

cudakidd
09-03-2011, 7:47 AM
I LOVE my 10/22 Kidd trigger, 1.5 pound trigger, very crisp.

Mail Clerk
09-03-2011, 8:34 AM
Hey gang,

My 30 year old 10/22 needs some trigger help. Pretty heavy and could be smoother. Is it possible to help it out on my own or what do you folks suggest?

I am not looking for a match grade trigger nor can I tolerate the expense of such, what are my options?

Toy4Rick



Toy4Ricck,

I prefer using just my stock trigger and concentrating on proper trigger pull. Besides that a little oil and Moly paste is all you need in my opinion.

Mail Clerk

151proof
09-03-2011, 9:58 AM
Great info there, XDRoX! Thanks for sharing.

BayouBullets
09-03-2011, 5:47 PM
Start by giving your weapon a detail strip cleaning. You may merely have an accumulation of dust/grime. That's the cheapest option and it MAY fix the problem. If not, go with xdrox's post and do a little careful polishing. That's a barely any money option and MAN he did a nice job showing it, didn't he? From there the cost only goes up in inverse proportion to how light and crisp you want the trigger to be.