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Whitesmoke
11-10-2006, 08:43 PM
This interview included our new Kern county Sheriff...our last 2 Sheriffs had the same opinion too. It made me proud as a resident of Kern Co...:D.
I've had my permit for the last 2 years too.

Toting a gun common in Kern
County state leader by far in concealed weapons permits
BY CHRISTINA SOSA, Californian staff writer
e-mail: csosa@bakersfield.com | Thursday, Nov 9 2006 9:40 PM
Last Updated: Thursday, Nov 9 2006 10:00 PM

Don't make any sudden movements. The guy sitting next to you may be carrying a gun, and you'd never know it.

Kern County is number one in concealed gun permits
Kern County gives out more permits to carry concealed weapons than any other county in the state, and has led the state in citizens who like to pack heat for at least the last 10 years.

Last year, 4,077 Kern County residents had the right to carry a hidden gun on them, according to the California Attorney General's office. Another Central Valley county, Fresno, came in a distant second, with 2,694 permits.

While Kern County agencies do grant a lot of permits, the number hasn't really changed over the years. Between 3,500 and 4,300 residents have held the permits going back to 1992. Only in 1999 did the number dip to about 2,900 permits.

"You have to remember that this is Kern County. It's always had more gun permits than in any other county in the state and it probably always will have more permits than any other county in the state," sheriff-elect Donny Youngblood said. "That's our culture. We believe in that."

What we believe in is electing conservative, pro-Second Amendment sheriffs, according to sheriff's Cmdr. Matt Lee, who has been in charge of reviewing the concealed weapons permit applications for the Kern County Sheriff's Department for the last couple of years.

While Lee reviews the application, ultimately the sheriff grants the permit for county residents. People who live in city jurisdictions must ask their local police chief if they can carry a gun.

Bakersfield Police Department Detective Greg Terry said it's not just the values of the man who holds the sheriff's office that has led to a high number of concealed weapons permits.

"We are a conservative community. We are a community that values firearms," Terry said.

Josh Summers, who is originally from Alaska and now works at Naked Al's Tattoo downtown, echoed Terry's thoughts.

"I think it's great that they're getting people to legally arm themselves," Summers said. "I think it'd make this place a safer place."

The BPD currently has about 440 active concealed weapons permits on file. While smaller police agencies like the Taft, Arvin, Delano and Shafter police departments can authorize the permits, the lion's share are granted by the Kern County Sheriff's Department. There are roughly 3,500 active permits on file now, according to Sgt. Richard Wood.

But it's not like everyone who asks for one gets one, Lee said.

"There are quite a few people who are denied," Lee said. "A (permit) is a privilege; it's not a right."

Bakersfield resident Helen Alvarez said she is concerned that local law enforcement isn't paying close enough attention to who receives permits.

"I think they don't investigate the background of people as much. I think they just give them to make the money and to sell the permit, but I don't think they are really investigating," Alvarez said.

Not so, according to Wood. The application process includes writing a statement justifying why you need the permit and undergoing a background check. City residents also have to be interviewed in person by a lieutenant, Terry said.

Lots of previous bad behavior will automatically disqualify you, Wood said. Anyone with a felony conviction of any kind, a domestic violence conviction or any conviction involving violence, drugs, or illegal use of firearms is automatically denied a concealed weapon permit.

Once you get the permit, there's another long list of rules you must follow. You can't use drugs or alcohol while carrying your gun. You can't try to represent yourself as a police officer, and if a cop asks you to, you must surrender your gun.

Many permits carry specialized restrictions, including the hours you can carry the weapon and for how many years as well. Also, since you wanted to conceal your weapon, the law suggests you do just that.

"Keep it in the holster. Don't brag about it. Don't show it off," Wood said.

Wood, Lee and Youngblood all said the incidents of violence being committed by people who have been granted concealed weapons permits are extremely rare.

"In the 30 years that I worked there (the sheriff's department), I can remember one negative incident," Youngblood said.

Wood said the people who get the permits are typically business owners who transport lots of cash or valuable merchandise, or people who need it for self-protection. Those who want to carry a gun for protection have to have an ongoing and specific reason why they need it, Wood said.

When local attorney Seth O'Dell got his first permit to carry a concealed weapon in New York, it was more a matter of principle. He was 21 at the time and had just completed his law school thesis on the Second Amendment and how it should apply to the states.

Then O'Dell came home in the middle of the day. As he walked up to his front door, he was met by a burglar. He had his gun with him, so he pulled it and the burglar headed back through the house and out the back, giving O'Dell a chance to call the cops.

"I think my reasons now for carrying a gun are primarily self-defense," O'Dell said.

O'Dell said New York's concealed weapon permit laws are a bit more stringent than California's. In New York, a judge grants the permit, and applicants are required to submit letters from character references as well as undergo an interview with the judge.

But California laws aren't bad, according to Zach Ragbourn, a spokesman for the gun control advocacy Brady Campaign.

"As far as we're concerned, California has a pretty good system for issuing (permits)," Ragbourn said. "We trust law enforcement to make the right calls in their communities."

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BY THE NUMBERS

4,077: The number of active concealed weapons permits in Kern County in 2005.

2,694: The number of active concealed weapons permits in Fresno County in 2005.

1,358: The number of active concealed weapons permits in Los Angeles County in 2005.

10: The number of active concealed weapons permits in San Francisco County in 2005.

1: The number of active concealed weapons permits in San Benito County in 2005. This is the lowest number in the state.

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EBWhite
11-10-2006, 09:10 PM
This interview included our new Kern county Sheriff...our last 2 Sheriffs had the same opinion too. It made me proud as a resident of Kern Co...:D.

"You have to remember that this is Kern County. It's always had more gun permits than in any other county in the state and it probably always will have more permits than any other county in the state," sheriff-elect Donny Youngblood said. "That's our culture. We believe in that."

What we believe in is electing conservative, pro-Second Amendment sheriffs, according to sheriff's Cmdr. Matt Lee, who has been in charge of reviewing the concealed weapons permit applications for the Kern County Sheriff's Department for the last couple of years.

While Lee reviews the application, ultimately the sheriff grants the permit for county residents. People who live in city jurisdictions must ask their local police chief if they can carry a gun.

But it's not like everyone who asks for one gets one, Lee said.

"There are quite a few people who are denied," Lee said. "A (permit) is a privilege; it's not a right."

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And i have ZERO faith in Kern Co. I am sad that I am a resident. Wimbish sucked, but prob not as bad as Youngblood will. Youngblood earlier in his career said some pretty negative stuff about CCW's. I expect the county to get a little more strict. I wish the good old boy (before wimbish, his name is on the tip of my tounge right now)

That Lee fellow is a jerk. More like a prick in my book. I tried to go see him to appeal a CCW denial and guess what he refused to see me. He said to send a letter. According to my denial letter, driving to LA through the Kern river canyon (where it lacks cell phone and LEO presence late at night) was not a good self protection reason. I had other reasons, I already have a utah ccw so my background is fine. My age (22) did it in for me. I love the discrimination.

And the prick (Lee) is wrong. CCW is a RIGHT. Not a privilege.

Rant over :mad:

Whitesmoke
11-10-2006, 11:06 PM
What did youngblood say about CCW's earlier in his career? Did you read that somewhere? or did someone tell you that?

I'm not saying he or Kern is the greatest.....but this is as good as it gets in CA. And I don't know if it was the age thing alone for your denial.....my brother got his CCW here in Kern at age 24 and he had a few minor things in his past (like engaging in a speed contest, failure to pay a fine, etc)

It was easy as hell when I did it.....did you write a letter like they told you to? And I'm sorry you got denied....

I do agree with you and I believe CCW should be a right for non felons and those without a criminal past.....

artherd
11-10-2006, 11:14 PM
While Lee reviews the application, ultimately the sheriff grants the permit for county residents. People who live in city jurisdictions must ask their local police chief if they can carry a gun.


Not true, see Salute v. Pitchess, 61 Cal. App. 3d 557, 132 Cal. Rptr. 345 (Cal.App.Dist.2 08/26/1976) http://californiaccw.org/files/salute-v-pitchess.html

EBWhite
11-11-2006, 12:32 AM
What did youngblood say about CCW's earlier in his career? Did you read that somewhere? or did someone tell you that?

I'm not saying he or Kern is the greatest.....but this is as good as it gets in CA. And I don't know if it was the age thing alone for your denial.....my brother got his CCW here in Kern at age 24 and he had a few minor things in his past (like engaging in a speed contest, failure to pay a fine, etc)

It was easy as hell when I did it.....did you write a letter like they told you to? And I'm sorry you got denied....

I do agree with you and I believe CCW should be a right for non felons and those without a criminal past.....

One of the head guys at a kern gun assoc. told me about some unpopular stuff said by youngblood. I believe he is ex-chp if i remember the story correct. He did make comments such as their is no reason for private citizens to have a CCW. His attitude changed since he would not be elected with comments like that....

I have zero problems with my background, a good reason and still, i did not get it. I was very disappointed.

Whitesmoke
11-11-2006, 01:06 AM
Not true, see Salute v. Pitchess, 61 Cal. App. 3d 557, 132 Cal. Rptr. 345 (Cal.App.Dist.2 08/26/1976) http://californiaccw.org/files/salute-v-pitchess.html

artherd....that was a gentelmans agreement between the Bakersfield police chief and two Sheriffs ago. The last sheriff (just finished his 4 years of office)allowed city residents to apply at the county too...I don't know if youngblood (the new sheriff) will continue that or not though.

EB...I'm sorry to heard that though. Did you write Lee a letter like they asked you to? Maybe you can make some headway there? Youngblood was never CHP...Wimbish (the out going sheriff was).

halifax
11-11-2006, 06:12 AM
"Don't make any sudden movements. The guy sitting next to you may be carrying a gun, and you'd never know it." :rolleyes:

This openning line clearly shows that Ms. Sosa came away from this with a good understanding of what she was reporting on. But I would like to suggest she re-word it:

Don't make any sudden menacing life-threatening moves towards the guy sitting next to you. They may be your last.

dychen
11-11-2006, 09:20 AM
I had the same problem a couple of years ago, driving to and around richmond in the iron triangle for work was not enough to justify a CCW :rolleyes:

And i have ZERO faith in Kern Co. I am sad that I am a resident. Wimbish sucked, but prob not as bad as Youngblood will. Youngblood earlier in his career said some pretty negative stuff about CCW's. I expect the county to get a little more strict. I wish the good old boy (before wimbish, his name is on the tip of my tounge right now)

That Lee fellow is a jerk. More like a prick in my book. I tried to go see him to appeal a CCW denial and guess what he refused to see me. He said to send a letter. According to my denial letter, driving to LA through the Kern river canyon (where it lacks cell phone and LEO presence late at night) was not a good self protection reason. I had other reasons, I already have a utah ccw so my background is fine. My age (22) did it in for me. I love the discrimination.

And the prick (Lee) is wrong. CCW is a RIGHT. Not a privilege.

Rant over :mad:

kennisonxgs
11-11-2006, 11:20 AM
You can only use gun to protect life.
You can only carry if you protect property.