Moonbeams are shining down on us. What do we do now??

[Richie Rich]

Ok, election is over..

We got what we got, where do we go from here?

Do we bring the fight to them so that it is waiting on his desk when he goes to move in and hang his grateful dead posters on the wall and put his crystals on his desk?

Or hang back and see what he wants to do?

My 1st course of action so far has been to join the NRA. They are not perfect but have fought for us so far and the more members they have, the more power. Just look at the AARP and the amount of clout they have..

[Smokeybehr]

All I can think about is to support the lawsuit that is ongoing regarding Moonbeam's eligibility to be AG. If it goes through, and the ruling is against Moonbeam, then Pooch is AG.

[jumbopanda]

All I can think about is to support the lawsuit that is ongoing regarding Moonbeam's eligibility to be AG. If it goes through, and the ruling is against Moonbeam, then Pooch is AG.


I'm hoping for that too, although I wouldn't hold my breath...

[Richie Rich]

IF (big if) Brown is found to be ineligable to take the post as AG, does Pooch get the job by default?

A local talk radio guy did a segment yesterday on the Brown eligability suit. He, as a lawyer said that Brown clearly is does not have the qualifications to take the AGs spot.

[chiefcrash]

IF (big if) Brown is found to be ineligable to take the post as AG, does Pooch get the job by default?

i doubt it. i'm not sure, but i think they will hold a special election for AG if moonbeam is found inelegible. think of it as if the AG resigned in the middle of his term...

[azndmd]

All I can think about is to support the lawsuit that is ongoing regarding Moonbeam's eligibility to be AG. If it goes through, and the ruling is against Moonbeam, then Pooch is AG.
Do you have a link of the lawsuit? How would you go about supporting it?

[caduckgunner]

Wouldn't the Arnold appoint someone? That's what happened when Sec. of state Shelly resigned isn't it?

[SemiAutoSam]

I think the wikipedia site might talk about the suit at this link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Brown


Do you have a link of the lawsuit? How would you go about supporting it?

[dwtt]

I'm going out to look for a 1911 pistol to buy. I had wanted one last year, then the Off List thing came up, then the FAL, then last night my water heater died and leaked on the garage floor. I'm low on money, but I'm going to buy a 1911 anyway. As for the law suit, I don't have any faith that the ultra liberal judges in CA would rule agianst another extreme liberal.

[madjack956]

Happy hunting I hope you find one.. I ordered one today myself... A Kimber CDP II. I can't wait... I hope it is as reliable as my other Kimber..

[CALI-gula]

The lawsuit at this point will be impotent. Dem support groups, judges, lawyers in larger number, voter rights groups, etc., will just look at the election results and any wind it had in its sails will be completely lost.

They will all fight it, and even if the lawsuit was valid, it will be nullified with reasons being cost to over-turn, voter rights, or the outcome itslef will bend the language to meet a decision the Jerry Brown met the requirements. A chorus of "let's move on" will be found in the newspapers. Because of the delay, it was given until after the elections, it's a lawsuit that is now DOA.

And as far as the "Moonbeam" reference goes, that is equally as dead. The election results prove it.

Jerry Brown is older, wiser, and while I still don't think he is any kind of 2nd Amendment friend, and my better judgment tells me he will actually work against us to elbow in some 2nd Amendment banning measures, maybe even a few gun industry oriented lawsuits, this time around in office will serve to repair his reputation and earn him a new respect that will mostly extricate that reference from association with him if not removed from pop-culture entirely.

However, if he starts filing all kinds of whacky lawsuits, or lending extreme liberal interpretation and opinions that are really out of left-field, he will only reinforce that "Moonbeam" moniker and maybe even generate some new ones.

He won the election fairly, and in large numbers. That say something alone. And I am willing to give him his chance to prove he is no longer the "Moonbeam" of yore.

.

[Richie Rich]

The lawsuit at this point will be impotent. Dem support groups, judges, lawyers in larger number, voter rights groups, etc., will just look at the election results and any wind it had in its sails will be completely lost.

They will all fight it, and even if the lawsuit was valid, it will be nullified with reasons being cost to over-turn, voter rights, or the outcome itslef will bend the language to meet a decision the Jerry Brown met the requirements. A chorus of "let's move on" will be found in the newspapers. Because of the delay, it was given until after the elections, it's a lawsuit that is now DOA.

And as far as the "Moonbeam" reference goes, that is equally as dead. The election results prove it.

Jerry Brown is older, wiser, and while I still don't think he is any kind of 2nd Amendment friend, and my better judgment tells me he will actually work against us to elbow in some 2nd Amendment banning measures, maybe even a few gun industry oriented lawsuits, this time around in office will serve to repair his reputation and earn him a new respect that will mostly extricate that reference from association with him if not removed from pop-culture entirely.

However, if he starts filing all kinds of whacky lawsuits, or lending extreme liberal interpretation and opinions that are really out of left-field, he will only reinforce that "Moonbeam" moniker and maybe even generate some new ones.

He won the election fairly, and in large numbers. That say something alone. And I am willing to give him his chance to prove he is no longer the "Moonbeam" of yore.

.

Hmm. Wacky lawsuits and extreme liberal interpretation and opinions..

Sounds just like the last guy, only with a catchier nickname....

Think he will keep A.M and "THE DESK HUNTER" ??

[JALLEN]

IF (big if) Brown is found to be ineligable to take the post as AG, does Pooch get the job by default?

A local talk radio guy did a segment yesterday on the Brown eligability suit. He, as a lawyer said that Brown clearly is does not have the qualifications to take the AGs spot.

The issue is not qualifications so much as eligibility.

But the Court of Appeals is going to have to think about all the absurd consequences of various interpretations. For example, I have been an active member of the State Bar for 31 years. So, first of the year, I write the State Bar and chose to be inactive. That request is acted on and my status is changed to inactive. Fine. In April, the Court of Appeals rules that in fact Moonbeam is ineligible to be attorney general because of that "inactive status" within 5 years of the election, and the Governator decides to hold a special election. Now, I'm not eligible either, even though I am right now, because the Court of Appeal said you have to be an active member for the last five years. I was only "inactive" for 3 months, BFD!

Or an even stupider case, The Court of Appeals rules as above, Moonbeam is therefore ineligible and the Governator decides to appoint a replacement. None of the sitting judges in California are eligible for appointment because a judge of a sitting court is not an active member of the state bar while holding the office of judge of a court of record. Even if the judge is only a judge for 2 weeks, he will not have been an active member of the state bar for 5 years preceding...

Even the Supreme Court follows the election returns, a wag once observed.

Nothing is going to happen, IMnotalwayssoHO.

[Sgt Raven]

The issue is not qualifications so much as eligibility.
..........................SNIP.................... ................
Even the Supreme Court follows the election returns, a wag once observed.

Nothing is going to happen, IMnotalwayssoHO.

All animals are equal, some are more equal.

[Sgt Raven]

101 THINGS TO DO 'TIL THE REVOLUTION
By Claire Wolfe

America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.

[James R.]

He won the election fairly, and in large numbers. That say something alone

LOL all that means to me is folks in California are a lot dumber than I thought they were. In all honesty I would be willing to bet that most folks who punched the ticket for AG couldn't even tell you what the AG is responsible for. It's just proof that people love to vote along party lines or for familiar names. That or some folks simply can't bear to leave items empty on their ballot. Hell, I've walked away with more empty boxes than filled in ones numerous times. If I don't have sufficient time to prepare, read all of the measures or otherwise secure good information which enables me to make an education decision I simply will not vote on that item.

Regards,

James R.

[TheMan]

LOL all that means to me is folks in California are a lot dumber than I thought they were. In all honesty I would be willing to bet that most folks who punched the ticket for AG couldn't even tell you what the AG is responsible for. It's just proof that people love to vote along party lines or for familiar names.

As bad as it seems, it is certainly no worse than M*******s voting that murdering drunk Kennedy into office year after year. Or D.C. keeping a crackhead for a mayor. And then putting him on the school board!?!?! :eek:

[hoffmang]

Uhh... Isn't the whole OLL thing using the system against itself?

I personally quite enjoy working within the system to make the world a safer place for personal liberty.

-Gene

[chiefcrash]

is there any update about the lawsuit?

[Shane916]

First step: We stop insulting and ribbing attorney general-elect Brown. We stop painting him as an opponent, and instead take him for what he should be: the person who heads the office that is charged with upholding the law in California.

If we get Mr. Brown all mad at the gun community, that can not but hurt the cause of law-abiding gun owners and shooters.

Until then we will assume he is illiterate and hopefully doesn't read this.. or attempt too ;)

[Kestryll]

First step: We stop insulting and ribbing attorney general-elect Brown. We stop painting him as an opponent, and instead take him for what he should be: the person who heads the office that is charged with upholding the law in California.

If we get Mr. Brown all mad at the gun community, that can not but hurt the cause of law-abiding gun owners and shooters.

EXACTLY!!

We now know that there is at least one person in the DOJ Firearms Division that has a personal bias and stake in pushing the anti-self-defense agenda.
The question of whether that person will continue to hold that position or be a part of AG Browns Department may still be open, let's not give them leverage to 'prove their worth'.

It's no secret we all would have prefered Poochigian to be AG, no one expects us to hide that or deny it.
But the fact is that, barring some rather unlikely intervention by the courts, Jerry Brown is the new AG.
Acknowledging that we are left with two options, we can try our darndest to make things as antagonistic, vitriolic and argumentative as possible or we can try to have an adversarial yet working interaction.
The simple fact is the DOJ/AG's Office will likely not share our views any time soon and we are not about to give up our drive to retain/restore our freedoms. So we are going to have to work with what we have and working with them means us not calling them 'Moonbeam' and them not calling us 'gun-nuts'.
It's just that simple.

[Hunter]

We know (from many sources, the most recent being the DoJ emails quoted in the NRA letter on the rulemaking) that the DoJ reads this site, frequently and carefully.

Some of us happen to know that attorney general-elect Brown and his campaign staff are aware of gun control issues, are aware of the OLL situation, and are aware of some peculiar personnel situations in the firearms division. I would not be surprised if campaign staff or personal aides of Mr. Brown (those might be the same people) read this site, to have a good gauge on the gun law situation.

Some of us believe that an attorney general Brown might be pretty good for law-abiding gun owners and shooters (and that's not just me as a lone lunatic, read Mike Haas' posts, and he is about as close to a "voice of the California NRA" as it gets). Let's not spoil that unneccessarily by antagonizing the attorney general.


I must say +1 to that!

[ChrisSig]

Moonbeam

[Kestryll]

Moonbeam



Bailiff, whack his pee-pee!




:D

[donger]

I for one am a big supporter of Jerry Brown. I think it's sort of cool that our elected officials play musical chairs with their positions. :mad:

[SemiAutoSam]

OK which album was that off of ?

State vrs stoner ?
Chico and the man ?
Vietnam ?




Bailiff, whack his pee-pee! :D

I always thought he got the name moonbeam from dating Linda ronstadt

[ChrisSig]

Bailiff, whack his pee-pee!




:D

Lol!

[Paratus et Vigilans]

Speaking of Cheech & Chong, do you suppose we could come up with a good set of alternate lyrics to "Basketball Jones" and call it "Black Rifle Jones"??

Maybe we could get Blind Melon Chitlin to record it???:D

[ChrisSig]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/chriscobain37/moonbeam.jpg

It's so....beautiful....

I feel calm, knowing that we have gentle moonbeams watching over us.