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Spetsnazos
04-07-2011, 10:36 PM
Please recommend me one! I want something other than a Marlin 60 or a Ruger 10/22.

I want something reliable and decent looking with a scope. Maybe Savage?

Baconator
04-07-2011, 10:39 PM
Why are you anti 10/22?

I bought a Mossberg Plinkster because it was real cheap. It sucks very badly.

o0RedEyE0o
04-07-2011, 10:41 PM
I own a Savage Mark II and it is a great rifle. They come in many different models, the one i got came with no sights but was tapped for a scope mount and also a heavy barrel..very accurate.

http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/public/UmKdz_KIlWe-QYw1k5v1Llh8OU2-Jf8RE5yzkQpnSLk0neFSlVogxZrIfrzlWN6ZRTZfDNPcXAlbeO W3yO_1ORAZpQ7UNcdUoa9XcA6MSWxWP3kGLBWdWVuwlYNa41K4 CXlRSX84GBC_aAbdu2iyXIVPNvr2w_vtnY0

Spetsnazos
04-07-2011, 10:47 PM
I own a Savage Mark II and it is a great rifle. They come in many different models, the one i got came with no sights but was tapped for a scope mount and also a heavy barrel..very accurate.

http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/public/UmKdz_KIlWe-QYw1k5v1Llh8OU2-Jf8RE5yzkQpnSLk0neFSlVogxZrIfrzlWN6ZRTZfDNPcXAlbeO W3yO_1ORAZpQ7UNcdUoa9XcA6MSWxWP3kGLBWdWVuwlYNa41K4 CXlRSX84GBC_aAbdu2iyXIVPNvr2w_vtnY0

cool thanks, I also looked into a CZ 452. What do you think about a CZ?

I want something accurate that I can use to practice shooting without raping my wallet in .308 ammo...

Thanks mates.

Mr. Burns
04-07-2011, 10:52 PM
I would recommend a Savage.

Here is my Savage MK II BRJ with a BSA Sweet 22 scope and a bipod. I have shot consistently at 300+ yards with this rifle/scope combo and cheap bulk ammo.

Spetsnazos
04-07-2011, 10:53 PM
I would recommend a Savage.

Here is my Savage MK II BRJ with a BSA Sweet 22 scope and a bipod. I have shot consistently at 300+ yards with this rifle/scope combo and cheap bulk ammo.

300 yards? what is this real life??

moosegun
04-07-2011, 11:07 PM
If you want reliable...but not 10 22..humm.. okay..

Browning T-Bolt is kinda different.

bombadillo
04-07-2011, 11:12 PM
How bout a Henry Golden Boy .22lr Lever action rifle. Sweet little shooters with a super smooth action. Great gun.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/henry_golden_boy.jpg

Spetsnazos
04-07-2011, 11:18 PM
no lever action, sorry I can't get into that it just reminds me of the wild west.

The Savage isn't reliable?

Mr. Burns
04-07-2011, 11:24 PM
300 yards? what is this real life??


This picture is from the target looking through my rangefinder at my truck. I was shooting prone out of the bed of my truck.

Here is another picture of the target. The lower half of the target is the grouping at 300 yards.

I love this rifle:D

Spetsnazos
04-07-2011, 11:32 PM
This picture is from the target looking through my rangefinder at my truck. I was shooting prone out of the bed of my truck.

Here is another picture of the target. The lower half of the target is the grouping at 300 yards.

I love this rifle:D

wtf! did you have to do anything special to that rifle outside of a scope?

How much did you pay total?

Thanks! I think this is going to be my next rifle!

pro-nra
04-07-2011, 11:40 PM
FEDEX just dropped of two blonds Kimber 82G. One will sport a Leupold 3-9 X 50 glass and the other will be iron sights. Can't wait to get it set up. Probably will not be as accurate as some of your rigs but I will have lots of fun with it.
http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt57/pro-nra/DSC03155.jpg

http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt57/pro-nra/DSC03167.jpg

Spetsnazos
04-07-2011, 11:45 PM
Why are you anti 10/22?


I dont find it attractive

Mr. Burns
04-07-2011, 11:47 PM
wtf! did you have to do anything special to that rifle outside of a scope?

How much did you pay total?

Thanks! I think this is going to be my next rifle!


Nothing special. I paid 500 for the rifle but the price has dropped since I purchased it. The scope is also a great asset.

Here is a link to the scope.

http://www.amazon.com/BSA-3-9X40-Parallax-Adjustment-Multi-Grain/dp/B002AK7KMO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1302244681&sr=8-2



This scope is different. You sight it in at a fixed range lets say 100 yards. I used a laser bore sight (cheap and easy) Then you set the turret to 100 yards. Thats it. (you will have to fine tune at the range like on all rifles/scopes)

If you want to shoot at 25 yards you just set the dial to 25 yards. Same with 50, 75, ect.

Eventually you run out of numbers on the turret so I had to do some guess work past 175yds until I figured out an easy way to make it work.

Whatever you shoot past where the numbers run out you have to add.

For example 200 yards. There is no number for 200 yards so you set it at 100 yards and then spin the turret around until it reads 100 yards again. 100+100=200

Understand?

Same works for 300 100+100+100=300

I haven't tried 400 yet because it has been too windy.

If you need any more help or need me to explain something just hit me up. I am subscribed to this thread so just ask here and I will answer if you need.

Spetsnazos
04-07-2011, 11:57 PM
Nothing special. I paid 500 for the rifle but the price has dropped since I purchased it. The scope is also a great asset.

Here is a link to the scope.

http://www.amazon.com/BSA-3-9X40-Parallax-Adjustment-Multi-Grain/dp/B002AK7KMO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1302244681&sr=8-2



This scope is different. You sight it in at a fixed range lets say 100 yards. I used a laser bore sight (cheap and easy) Then you set the turret to 100 yards. Thats it. (you will have to fine tune at the range like on all rifles/scopes)

If you want to shoot at 25 yards you just set the dial to 25 yards. Same with 50, 75, ect.

Eventually you run out of numbers on the turret so I had to do some guess work past 175yds until I figured out an easy way to make it work.

Whatever you shoot past where the numbers run out you have to add.

For example 200 yards. There is no number for 200 yards so you set it at 100 yards and then spin the turret around until it reads 100 yards again. 100+100=200

Understand?

Same works for 300 100+100+100=300

I haven't tried 400 yet because it has been too windy.

If you need any more help or need me to explain something just hit me up. I am subscribed to this thread so just ask here and I will answer if you need.

Great thanks! I didn't even think it was possible to hit anything at 100+ yards with a .22 expecting any sort of accuracy but this has greatly motivated my spirits!

So basically on the 22 scopes you don't have MOA adjustments but you just adjust to a specific range instead? Thats pretty cool.

Going to look into that scope as well, thanks mate.

maderashooter
04-08-2011, 12:05 AM
I would go with a 10/22 if you don't like the looks you can make it look however you want huge after market plus in free America its one that can get full cap clips

Mr. Burns
04-08-2011, 12:07 AM
Great thanks! I didn't even think it was possible to hit anything at 100+ yards with a .22 expecting any sort of accuracy but this has greatly motivated my spirits!

So basically on the 22 scopes you don't have MOA adjustments but you just adjust to a specific range instead? Thats pretty cool.

Going to look into that scope as well, thanks mate.

Glad I could help. You are correct about the specific range. These scopes use range bullet drop compensation which is a fancy way of saying the scope does the math for you. :D

It uses the three most common bullet weights. 36,38,and 40 grain bullets.
As long as you are using one of those bullet weights everything is easy if you know the range you are shooting at.

moosegun
04-08-2011, 12:10 AM
I dont find it attractive

Thats what the millions of mods are for.. btw nothing more reliable than 10 22

locosway
04-08-2011, 1:49 AM
Here is my Savage Mark II FV in .17 HM2, but they also sell it in .22LR

http://i52.tinypic.com/10ehfuh.jpg

jackandblood
04-08-2011, 4:41 AM
300 yards? what is this real life??

haha. ya but i've seen some savage in semi and comes with a rudimentary scope. big5

Spetsnazos
04-08-2011, 6:30 AM
haha. ya but i've seen some savage in semi and comes with a rudimentary scope. big5

i was thinking of strolling over to turners to buy it, they seem to have a healthy stock of 22's??

Kryptyde
04-08-2011, 9:56 AM
cool thanks, I also looked into a CZ 452. What do you think about a CZ?

I want something accurate that I can use to practice shooting without raping my wallet in .308 ammo...

Thanks mates.

CZ 452 is exactly what you need. More accuracy and quality than a savage. Truly wonderful guns...check out the enormous fan following on rimfirecentral. I have a CZ 452 Style myself and absolutely love it. Its accurate, reliable, looks great and didnt break the bank. There are a number of different configurations to suit your personal tastes. I did a huge amount of research before buying a .22LR bolt action (looking for quality & accuracy for less than $500) and the CZ 452 was the resounding answer.

I also understand why you wouldnt want a 10/22. Its a totally different type of gun and I dont particularly care for the looks of the factory stock models myself either.

Kryptyde
04-08-2011, 10:18 AM
I would recommend a Savage.

Here is my Savage MK II BRJ with a BSA Sweet 22 scope and a bipod. I have shot consistently at 300+ yards with this rifle/scope combo and cheap bulk ammo.

I'm not sure how you define 'consistently' but 300 yards isnt really viable for .22LR. At 100 yards the drop is 5". At just 200 yards it will have fallen 41 inches. At 300 yards, the drop is measured in feet...around ten. Figures are even worse for match ammo.

Sure you can fool around and lob rounds with trajactory paths not unlike a catapult but for proper practice where you are measuring your accuracy based on your skill then 50-100yards is the appropriate range for .22LR. You cant expect to switch from .308 to .22LR without scaling down the yardage appropriately to make it a viable simulation.

red_eyez
04-08-2011, 10:32 AM
Shot my 10/22 yesterday, at 100 yrd with excellent results on 8" circle Target. Managed to keep all my shots on the paper, and hit several bulleyes. I wanted to go 200 or even 300, but can't see that far with my cheapo 4x42 scope.

saigarocks
04-08-2011, 11:15 AM
i've got a savage 62/64 - not reliable - finally had to send it back to savage to fix - ftf, etc.

hatidua
04-08-2011, 11:25 AM
I'm not sure how you define 'consistently' but 300 yards isnt really viable for .22LR. At 100 yards the drop is 5". At just 200 yards it will have fallen 41 inches. At 300 yards, the drop is measured in feet...around ten. Figures are even worse for match ammo.

With a 600y zero, a .308 drops over 20' (FEET) by the time it gets to 1K. The Marine Corps considers it effective to 1K.

I'll grant that shooting rabbits at 300 yards with a .22 isn't humane. That said, putting all 10 rounds in the mag on a gong at 425 is vastly more enjoyable than punching one-hole groups at 50 all day long.

And, as to the "Figures are even worse for match ammo" - I suspect you know why those who care about accuracy avoid transonic turbulence (and therefore shoot subsonic match ammo), but that's a topic for another thread.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/22.jpg

Spetsnazos
04-08-2011, 11:37 AM
With a 600y zero, a .308 drops over 20' (FEET) by the time it gets to 1K. The Marine Corps considers it effective to 1K.

I'll grant that shooting rabbits at 300 yards with a .22 isn't humane. That said, putting all 10 rounds in the mag on a gong at 425 is vastly more enjoyable than punching one-hole groups at 50 all day long.

And, as to the "Figures are even worse for match ammo" - I suspect you know why those who care about accuracy avoid transonic turbulence (and therefore shoot subsonic match ammo), but that's a topic for another thread.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/22.jpg

is that bolt action or semi auto?

I'm kind of leaning toward wanting a semi auto

hatidua
04-08-2011, 12:25 PM
is that bolt action or semi auto?

-bolt-action.

Kryptyde
04-08-2011, 12:33 PM
That said, putting all 10 rounds in the mag on a gong at 425 is vastly more enjoyable than punching one-hole groups at 50 all day long.


Better not be very breezy :)

Match ammo is lower velocity and therefore drops more since gravity has more time to act upon it during flight.

Mr. Burns
04-08-2011, 12:51 PM
I'm not sure how you define 'consistently' but 300 yards isnt really viable for .22LR. At 100 yards the drop is 5". At just 200 yards it will have fallen 41 inches. At 300 yards, the drop is measured in feet...around ten. Figures are even worse for match ammo.

Sure you can fool around and lob rounds with trajactory paths not unlike a catapult but for proper practice where you are measuring your accuracy based on your skill then 50-100yards is the appropriate range for .22LR. You cant expect to switch from .308 to .22LR without scaling down the yardage appropriately to make it a viable simulation.

If you look at some of the pictures I posted you will see a piece of tin with a bunch of holes in it. I shot that piece of tin at over 300 yards.

I define consistently by me being able to empty two five round mags into that target at 300 yards without a miss ;)

Mr. Burns
04-08-2011, 12:54 PM
That said, putting all 10 rounds in the mag on a gong at 425 is vastly more enjoyable than punching one-hole groups at 50 all day long.


+100 :D

Kryptyde
04-08-2011, 1:16 PM
To each his own...good to see people having fun with .22LR however they do it :)

Back to the original topic...if you are leaning toward a semi-auto then you had better find a really good reason to not get a 10/22. They are tough to beat.

Im not a fan of the base model, but Ruger makes some other fancier ones and you could always go custom. The only thing Ruger made in my 10/22 is the magazine:
http://members.cox.net/kryptyde3/KIDD.jpg

maderashooter
04-08-2011, 1:54 PM
To each his own...good to see people having fun with .22LR however they do it :)

Back to the original topic...if you are leaning toward a semi-auto then you had better find a really good reason to not get a 10/22. They are tough to beat.

Im not a fan of the base model, but Ruger makes some other fancier ones and you could always go custom. The only thing Ruger made in my 10/22 is the magazine:
http://members.cox.net/kryptyde3/KIDD.jpg

Sexy what it it all parts list plz

rojocorsa
04-08-2011, 2:01 PM
This thread doesn't have enough CZ love in it. LOL


I have the Trainer, and I love it. It really is helping learn things about marksmanship. Obviously, the best part is the price of ammo.

I think that if I were going to get another .22, it would be a 452 Varmint and I'd pimp it up with a Harris bipod and good glass.

Spetsnazos
04-08-2011, 2:02 PM
So basically I should get a Ruger 10/22? Can i hope to hit things at 100 yards with it? Please say yes.

Mr. Burns
04-08-2011, 2:29 PM
^^^ Of course :)

Mr. Burns
04-08-2011, 2:29 PM
To each his own...good to see people having fun with .22LR however they do it :)

Back to the original topic...if you are leaning toward a semi-auto then you had better find a really good reason to not get a 10/22. They are tough to beat.

Im not a fan of the base model, but Ruger makes some other fancier ones and you could always go custom. The only thing Ruger made in my 10/22 is the magazine:
http://members.cox.net/kryptyde3/KIDD.jpg

Nice rifle :D

Spetsnazos
04-08-2011, 2:33 PM
^^^ Of course :)

ugh :( ok i guess :sleeping: Is there anything else on the market?

red_eyez
04-08-2011, 2:58 PM
So basically I should get a Ruger 10/22? Can i hope to hit things at 100 yards with it? Please say yes.

hell yeah! you'll be surprised what it can do. This my 10/22 setup, all internals are bone stock, except Tapco stock, bipod and 4x32 scope. Shooting at 8" target from 100 yards....with value brix of ammo, no problems.

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x5/red_eyez_bucket/Sports/LR_01.jpg

Spetsnazos
04-08-2011, 3:02 PM
hell yeah! you'll be surprised what it can do. This my 10/22 setup, all internals are bone stock, except Tapco stock, bipod and 4x32 scope. Shooting at 8" target from 100 yards....with value brix of ammo, no problems.

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x5/red_eyez_bucket/Sports/LR_01.jpg

that stock is pretty nice!!! where did you get it? how much??

Kryptyde
04-08-2011, 3:05 PM
Sexy what it it all parts list plz
http://members.cox.net/kryptyde3/KIDD.jpg
Its a complete KID (Tony Kidd Innovative Design) Build:
KID 18" Stainless Steel Barrel, Fluted, Bead-Blasted finish
KID Supergrade Reciever
KID Two-Stage trigger (8oz/1lb)
KID Scalloped bolt, firing pin, extractor
Boyd's Evolution Stock in 'Sky' finish
Mueller 8.5-25x 'Eraticator' Scope (w/ red dot)
Burris Signature Zee Scope Rings in 'Medium'


For some CZ love:
http://members.cox.net/kryptyde3/452Style.jpg
CZ 452 'Style'
Mueller 4.5-14x 'APV' Scope
Burris Signature Rimfire Scope Rings in 'Medium'

red_eyez
04-08-2011, 3:06 PM
it's a Tapco Inc. T6 Stock Black 6 Position, $99 shipped from Amazon http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002HSF0E4/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B001AT3BVU&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0H36X0VE9G7NPAG5YAWR Keep an eye on the CGN Market place, you might find one for cheaper.

Spetsnazos
04-08-2011, 3:09 PM
it's a Tapco Inc. T6 Stock Black 6 Position, $99 shipped from Amazon http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002HSF0E4/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B001AT3BVU&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0H36X0VE9G7NPAG5YAWR

sweet thanks!

Kryptyde
04-08-2011, 3:13 PM
Yes, a 10/22 will most definately hit things at 100 yards.

Bone stock they are reasonably accurate and very reliable (especially for a .22LR semi-automatic). This is what made them a huge success.

As a result of said success and the modular nature in which they are built there is a staggering selection of customization available ranging from little things to full custom rifles such as the one i posted above.

Ruger themselves make a variety of 10/22 models. I think the target one is pretty nice and a pretty good buy.

Spetsnazos
04-08-2011, 3:14 PM
Ruger themselves make a variety of 10/22 models. I think the target one is pretty nice and a pretty good buy.

which target one?

CSACANNONEER
04-08-2011, 3:17 PM
If you want a budget .22 that will shoot as well as a high end gun, look for a M44, M42, etc. Old Mossbergs still shoot as well or better than new rifles that cost 5X as much.

Kryptyde
04-08-2011, 3:21 PM
which target one?

This one:

http://www.ruger.com/products/1022Target/models.html

usmcchet9296
04-08-2011, 3:54 PM
nuff said
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5163/5382173567_87207eb26e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jhermesmeyer/5382173567/)
CZ452V (4) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jhermesmeyer/5382173567/) by usmcchet92_96 (http://www.flickr.com/people/jhermesmeyer/), on Flickr

hatidua
04-08-2011, 4:11 PM
Match ammo is lower velocity and therefore drops more since gravity has more time to act upon it during flight.

Turbulence plays a greater role on accuracy than does amount of drop (hence the use of subsonic match ammo at distance).

Spetsnazos
04-08-2011, 4:13 PM
ok you guys convinced me...Ruger 10/22...Now which model?

Spetsnazos
04-08-2011, 4:14 PM
I think I'm getting that Tapco stock...Anything I should look for in the Ruger 10/22? As far as barrel/trigger? or is it all the same?

SherwoodMS
04-08-2011, 5:37 PM
I have a 10/22 carbine with a standard 16" barrel, custom 'Clark' trigger, and a $65 scope. I love this set-up and can chase a tennis ball around the range at 100 yards to 150 yards all day long with bulk Winchester ammo ($18 for 525 rnds)
If I want a chanllenge, I shoot golf balls at 150yds.
my scope:
http://www.opticsplanet.net/barska-air-gun-scope-3-12x40-ao.html

red_eyez
04-08-2011, 6:09 PM
Standard Tapco stock go with Standard 10/22 carbine, Tapco tactical has slightly larger diameter barrel ramp, for bull barrel version of 10/22. I've seen people opened up their standard Tapco stock with sandpaper to accept the bull barrel size. Trigger housing are all the same, you can change out the trigger group with more precise aftermarket parts, such as volquartsen, KID, etc.. Just a quick Google will give you good results. Good luck!

mkane
04-08-2011, 6:27 PM
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll58/MKane63t/001-1.jpg CZ 453

Flyingpootang
04-08-2011, 6:46 PM
For the money, .22LR sub MOA accuracy out of the box, and an ultra light trigger for 20.00 I'd go with a CZ 452 $408.00 shipped or CZ 455 American $362.00 shipped
Rugers are great for a semi and can shoot real accurately also, but by the time you add all the mods, time etc to get to where you want it you can have a 700.00+ .22LR.

SherwoodMS
04-08-2011, 6:52 PM
If you count magazines, cleaning kit, scope, case, and buffer -- I've paid $346. I purchased the rifle from a mom and pop store used (included the Clark trigger).

Mstnpete
04-08-2011, 7:02 PM
No Marlin 60 love? Common......lol

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/amgguy/IMG_0006-3-1.jpg

shooterdude
04-08-2011, 8:15 PM
ok you guys convinced me...Ruger 10/22...Now which model?

The cheapest one so you won't feel like you wasted money when you start changing parts.

Spetsnazos
04-08-2011, 8:47 PM
Standard Tapco stock go with Standard 10/22 carbine, Tapco tactical has slightly larger diameter barrel ramp, for bull barrel version of 10/22. I've seen people opened up their standard Tapco stock with sandpaper to accept the bull barrel size. Trigger housing are all the same, you can change out the trigger group with more precise aftermarket parts, such as volquartsen, KID, etc.. Just a quick Google will give you good results. Good luck!

i dont mind taking some sandpaper to it, is that all it takes ?

I just ordered a 10/22 cheapo model from Turners for $199.

First thing that has to go is the stock and then I need an optic.

Almost bought the CZ but I really wanted a semi-auto

ElvenSoul
04-08-2011, 9:32 PM
No love for GSG?

red_eyez
04-08-2011, 9:39 PM
i dont mind taking some sandpaper to it, is that all it takes ?

I just ordered a 10/22 cheapo model from Turners for $199.

First thing that has to go is the stock and then I need an optic.

Almost bought the CZ but I really wanted a semi-auto
Congrats!! Yep, sandpaper and a copper pipe will do the trick, here is the video from youtoube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4FEq9ry6gE . But that's for later, when you want to upgrade to bull barrel. I would suggest the zoom scope, instead of fixed like the one I bought, kinda short for even at 100 yards. I'm sure you'll be happy with the 10/22. Oh, and don't forget to get the bolt release plate (or grind off the little piece of metal in middle of "heart shape") the stock plate sucks, and lastly the bolt buffer and you should be good to go... for now :-).

Spetsnazos
04-08-2011, 11:16 PM
Congrats!! Yep, sandpaper and a copper pipe will do the trick, here is the video from youtoube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4FEq9ry6gE . But that's for later, when you want to upgrade to bull barrel. I would suggest the zoom scope, instead of fixed like the one I bought, kinda short for even at 100 yards. I'm sure you'll be happy with the 10/22. Oh, and don't forget to get the bolt release plate (or grind off the little piece of metal in middle of "heart shape") the stock plate sucks, and lastly the bolt buffer and you should be good to go... for now :-).


thanks mate