Lent me get this straight

[lower lover]

Is it legal to buy and own guns such as the Browning Model 1919 and Browning M2 rifles as long as their not full auto? What exactly are the parameters of this?

http://www.50bmgstore.com/m2hb50bmg.htm


http://www.50bmgstore.com/1919.htm

[azn_wrx]

Anything that is a 50 caliber rifle in CA is illegal unless you bought it pre-ban. Now I remember reading a thread which was saying the M2 was considered a pistol? Wait till someone who knows what they are talking about posts. I think bwiese knows.

[blkA4alb]

The parameters are the same as any other weapons. If it is a rifle it cannot be chambered in .50BMG, however the M2 is not a rifle.

The 1919 can have pistol grips because they do not protrude conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.

The high capacity magazine ban still applies to linked ammo. If you did not have linked ammo over 10 rounds before 2000 then you cannot link more than 10 rounds now.

[blkA4alb]

Anything that is a 50 caliber rifle in CA is illegal unless you bought it pre-ban. Now I remember reading a thread which was saying the M2 was considered a pistol?
It is not a pistol and it is not a rifle, AB50 only bans .50BMG rifles which is why it would be legal.

IIRC, no one has actually bought a M2 after the ban, yet.

[bu-bye]

An M2 can get very pricey to shoot if you think about it. You have to sit back and ask yourself....."is it really worth it?"



HELL YEAH IT IS:D !!!!!

[leelaw]

Anything that is a 50 caliber rifle in CA is illegal unless you bought it pre-ban. Now I remember reading a thread which was saying the M2 was considered a pistol? Wait till someone who knows what they are talking about posts. I think bwiese knows.


Incorrect on two points:

1. .50 caliber rifles are legal, only .50BMG rifles are banned. .50 Beuwolf is legal, as well as other caliber conversions. If you coudl get a S&W500 to fit and function, it, too, would be legal.

2. The M2 is not a rifle, and hence is not illegal. The .50BMG ban only outlawed .50BMG rifles.

[metalhead357]

1. .50 caliber rifles are legal, only .50BMG rifles are banned. .50 Beuwolf is legal, as well as other caliber conversions. If you coudl get a S&W500 to fit and function, it, too, would be legal.


And dont forget them dang Black powder 50 cal's....ya' know- them "sniper's waepons" that can be used for...well...Sniping:p

Does anyone make a 50 cal Arrow shaft????:confused: :D

[anotherone]

I don't know why but I was under the impression that a semi-auto M-2 would constitute a rifle. Unless it is registered as a pistol then it is considered a rifle. Although it would be theoretically possible for an M-2 to be considered a pistol under federal law (no stock, barrel is over 16 inches) it isn't on the California approved handgun list.

[PanzerAce]

I don't know why but I was under the impression that a semi-auto M-2 would constitute a rifle. Unless it is registered as a pistol then it is considered a rifle. Although it would be theoretically possible for an M-2 to be considered a pistol under federal law (no stock, barrel is over 16 inches) it isn't on the California approved handgun list.

I think it might fall into the AOW area (which I know nothing about) because of the fact that a rifle has to be shoulder fired, and it is also not a pistol *shrugs*

[five.five-six]

An M2 can get very pricey to shoot if you think about it. You have to sit back and ask yourself....."is it really worth it?"



HELL YEAH IT IS:D !!!!!



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[chris]

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Not just yes but HELL YES it's worth it. the MA duece is an awsome weapon.:) :)

[chiefcrash]

And dont forget them dang Black powder 50 cal's....ya' know- them "sniper's waepons" that can be used for...well...Sniping:p

Does anyone make a 50 cal Arrow shaft????:confused: :D

And don't forget any .50 BMG rifle that is identified as an antique or C&R rifle by federal law...

[BigMac]

I was on the phone with Ignaciouse at tthe DOJ and his opinion is any .50BMG that is rifled is a rifle. :confused:

I need to get some info compiled and make them do a writen opinion.

[bwiese]

I was on the phone with Ignaciouse at tthe DOJ and his opinion is any .50BMG that is rifled is a rifle. :confused:

I need to get some info compiled and make them do a writen opinion.

I doubt at this point - esp on something as contentious as this, esp after their OLL debacle - they'll say anything.

In addition to gun lawyers, there are several experts in Santa Clara county that have testified on the wiinning side (and against Igggy!) and who'll support that the 50BMG law only applies to rifles, and not 'firearms'.

Jeezus, what translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of the Penal code does Iggy read?

[DRH]

These weapons might all be going away on a federal level in the very near future. If you want one even a .50 DTC rifle, you may want to consider getting it soon. The congress committees that had been keeping the anti-gun bill off the floor are now controlled by the brady bunch allies. Buy now while you still can.

[blkA4alb]

These weapons might all be going away on a federal level in the very near future. If you want one even a .50 DTC rifle, you may want to consider getting it soon. The congress committees that had been keeping the anti-gun bill off the floor are now controlled by the brady bunch allies. Buy now while you still can.
Bush will veto any federal gun bans, the democrats won't get a 2/3 vote to overturn the veto.

[DRH]

Bush has already said publicly that he would sign a federal AW ban. He said it because he knew the congress would not let it get to him, but now I do not think he has enough clout to go back on his stance. As for the .50 BMG ban it will get attached to a critical bill and passed without much fanfare. The popularity of the .50s with a few thousand shooters won't be enough to save them from addition to the NFA registry. Also Bush has not used his veto power once in six years, with all the talk of new bi-partisonship, he will not use it now to save unpopular AWs or .50s.

[jumbopanda]

Bush has already said publicly that he would sign a federal AW ban. He said it because he knew the congress would not let it get to him, but now I do not think he has enough clout to go back on his stance. As for the .50 BMG ban it will get attached to a critical bill and passed without much fanfare. The popularity of the .50s with a few thousand shooters won't be enough to save them from addition to the NFA registry. Also Bush has not used his veto power once in six years, with all the talk of new bi-partisonship, he will not use it now to save unpopular AWs or .50s.

Don't know what he has to lose; he's already hated and only has two years left anyway. Although I suppose he might end up hurting the republican party even more :(

[bwiese]

Bush has already said publicly that he would sign a federal AW ban. He said it because he knew the congress would not let it get to him, but now I do not think he has enough clout to go back on his stance.

He said that for convenience.

And why does he need clout to not do something? It really won't buy him anything anyway.

[xenophobe]

Bush has turned out to be no friend to gun owners. The ATF has been on a nationwide rampage to shut down FFLs for even the most minor infractions. None of the executive orders barring China from sending munitions or firearms, as well as others banning MREs, US Government ammo from being surplussed to American civilians, or any other number of things that could have or should be done by a pro-2A President...

And just because Congress is now ruled by the left, they don't have enough progressive liberals to get a free ticket. Any anti-gun legislation that never made it past committee before may indeed see the floor for a vote now, but there certainly isn't enough support for them to pass anything in the near future, with the exception of a 50 caliber ban perhaps.

With the Dem's in control of the Congress, I see the likelyhood of a Republican candidate for President winning in '08 much more likely. It will give the conservative base a little more incentive to vote.

[CALI-gula]

OK - to make a lot of this easier, if you want something nearly identical if not more beneficial than .50BMG by even a slight amount, just peruse on-line for " .50DTC "

EDM, Serbu, Blue-Grass Armory, and a host of others are already producing some of their rifles chambered in it. (I've even heard McBros is gearing one up). While I do not know of an M2HB chambered in one yet, I am sure it won't be long that a company that rebuilds these like TNW does so.

Cartridges like .50 BeoWulf, .500 Linebaugh, .50A&E, .500 S&W, etc., are powerful, but merely cute little rounds compared to .50BMG. They are not even remotely close to the power and ability of .50BMG.

However, with .50DTC... if you haven't heard of it by now, then, go look it up. There is so much information on it, and so accessible, it would just be redudant to post here its recent development, fast-track history, as well as all of its attributes.


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[hoffmang]

I said this in another thread, but Jim Webb of Virginia is the Dem's 51st vote for a majority. He's NRA "A" rated... Nothing too bad will get through the Senate.

-Gene

[artherd]

I was on the phone with Ignaciouse at tthe DOJ and his opinion is any .50BMG that is rifled is a rifle. :confused:

I need to get some info compiled and make them do a writen opinion.
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[artherd]

Cartridges like .50 BeoWulf, .500 Linebaugh, .50A&E, .500 S&W, etc., are powerful, but merely cute little rounds compared to .50BMG. They are not even remotely close to the power and ability of .50BMG.
Darn right.

.510DTC is a good alternative however. MV is actually slightly higher, and it fires the same projectiles.

I wholeheartedly concur that .50BMG and it's 'ilk' are in a whole 'nother realm of range and energy-on-target. I've literally dropped 100lb propane cylinders with my Barrett, grandpa's .30-06, while a formidible weapon in it's own right, won't do that! :D .