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motoxracer42
03-31-2011, 3:18 PM
So after shooting every weekend with my friends im getting tired of spending money on 5.56 and .50 rounds lol. I want to get a decent plinking gun that is fairly cheap to shoot. I almost want to go with a .22 but from what ive seen the .17 is a much better round. any input helps. thanks guys

Tank 57
03-31-2011, 3:26 PM
If you want to shoot a lot,.22LR is the best way to go.500 rounds usually around 20 bucks..17HMR 50 rounds 12-13 bucks.Don't know about .17M2,sure .22 is far less.

motoxracer42
03-31-2011, 3:31 PM
its a hard decision for me lol. one of my friends has a .17hmr and it outperforms the .22 by far. but then again .22 is cheap. i just want a couple options of the best manufacturers of the rifles. i would like to be able to customize it quite a bit to make it unique. i like to be different haha

Sailormilan2
03-31-2011, 3:43 PM
CZ and Savage both make very good and accurate 17 HMRs. Each one has their supporters. You might try this link:

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=381067

I have a Savage and a USSG Zastava built Z-5. They(Z-5) have a very good reputation as an accurate rifle in 22 lr. I just need to shoot it a bit more.

Tank 57
03-31-2011, 4:13 PM
My CZ 455 can shot 22LR or 17HMR.Combo comes with 2 barrels.Unfortunately haven't shot it yet.Still waiting for scope rings.Nice graphic on CZ website shows how it switches.

shooterdude
03-31-2011, 4:16 PM
I have the Savage .17HMR with the heavy barrel and it is just sublime. The Savage accu-trigger is the best factory trigger, period. There is not much to customize on these rifles other than a powerful scope. I have a Simmons Whitetail Classic Rifle Scope 6.5-20x 50mm that are usually on sale from Midway for around $110. This combination makes ragged holes at 100 yards.

The only enemy of the .17HMR round is wind.

As others have said, .22LR is still the cheapest to shoot. If you have an AR-15 (which I am guessing since you shoot 5.56) why not get a dedicated .22 upper? I have a Velocity Firearms AR22-100 (http://velocityfirearms.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12&products_id=57) that runs like a charm as long as you have a rounded hammer in your lower.

motoxracer42
03-31-2011, 5:29 PM
I have the Savage .17HMR with the heavy barrel and it is just sublime. The Savage accu-trigger is the best factory trigger, period. There is not much to customize on these rifles other than a powerful scope. I have a Simmons Whitetail Classic Rifle Scope 6.5-20x 50mm that are usually on sale from Midway for around $110. This combination makes ragged holes at 100 yards.

The only enemy of the .17HMR round is wind.

As others have said, .22LR is still the cheapest to shoot. If you have an AR-15 (which I am guessing since you shoot 5.56) why not get a dedicated .22 upper? I have a Velocity Firearms AR22-100 (http://velocityfirearms.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12&products_id=57) that runs like a charm as long as you have a rounded hammer in your lower.

im thinking about the savage. im left handed but ive never owned a left handed weapon haha. been shooting since i could stand up lol. i might try and get a lefty

welchy
03-31-2011, 6:23 PM
A friend of mine and I both have the Savage. It is a great gun.

locosway
03-31-2011, 7:45 PM
I just paid for my Savage Mark II FV in .17 HM2 (not HMR). It ran me $300 out the door. A box of 500 rounds of match ammo ran me $49. In a few more days I'll get to pickup the rifle, mount my Leupold on it and my Harris bipod, and then I can rock and roll with the big boys! :)

CEDaytonaRydr
03-31-2011, 7:57 PM
I've been interested to hear a "range report" on these CZ rifles; particularly, this one:

http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-452-fs/

emgee00
03-31-2011, 8:01 PM
I bought an almost new Savage 93R chambered in .17HMR with scope and a Harris Bi-Pod for $260 within the last year on this forum. The gun has the bull barrel and the acu-trigger as well. This gun is so fun, accurate and cheap to shoot. Litterally the best investment I have ever made for under $300! My son and I can hit a target squirrel's eye at 100 yards with ease! A true nail driver. Oh, by the way, I also received a few hundred rounds of ammo too. Keep your eyes out as I have seen some similar deals since.

emgee00
03-31-2011, 8:16 PM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=413492

Vee3
04-02-2011, 12:00 AM
I've been interested to hear a "range report" on these CZ rifles; particularly, this one:

http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-452-fs/

Plenty of reviews & range reports over on RFC on the 452. Some who have multiple 452s say the FS is their most accurate one.

stitchnicklas
04-02-2011, 12:21 AM
JUST BUILD A AR .22 AND HAVE THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS

ch47gunner
04-02-2011, 10:53 AM
If you're into ground squirrel, crow, or gopher shooting, the .17HMR is a must have.

CZ vs Savage - why not one of each??

I started with the Savage 93R17-BV - after much ammo/group shooting, I swapped out the Accutrigger for a Rifle Basix and found that the Savage liked the 20gn GamePoint ammo best.
The Savage was so popular with the friends/family (I hate sharing) that I decided to buy another .17.
So I bought the CZ452 Varmint for myself. I believe got the better deal there.
The CZ is a much more quality rifle than the Savage - both are great shooters but, I needed to put in some serious time on the Savage to get it to shoot, where the CZ shot fine out of the box.

Bruce

Savage 93R17-BV w/ Tasco 6-24x42AO Varmint scope.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/ch47gunner/17hmr/dednutz015.jpg

CZ452 Varmint w/ Nikon Buckmaster 6-18x40SF scope
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/ch47gunner/17hmr/DSC_0499-1-2.jpg

motoxracer42
04-02-2011, 1:09 PM
good info

DirtyDave
04-02-2011, 5:02 PM
If you're into ground squirrel, crow, or gopher shooting, the .17HMR is a must have.


Ground squirrel and gophers - yes. Crows - no.
Cant hunt crows in CA with a rifle (shotgun only). Unless you are operating under a Depredation Permit.

Ok, back to the 17 discussion
My Dad has the Mossberg 817 and it shoots great for not having a bull barrel like the more expensive guns. It shoots under MOA. I think he paid $149 at Big5.

emgee00
04-02-2011, 11:13 PM
If you're into ground squirrel, crow, or gopher shooting, the .17HMR is a must have.

CZ vs Savage - why not one of each??

I started with the Savage 93R17-BV - after much ammo/group shooting, I swapped out the Accutrigger for a Rifle Basix and found that the Savage liked the 20gn GamePoint ammo best.
The Savage was so popular with the friends/family (I hate sharing) that I decided to buy another .17.
So I bought the CZ452 Varmint for myself. I believe got the better deal there.
The CZ is a much more quality rifle than the Savage - both are great shooters but, I needed to put in some serious time on the Savage to get it to shoot, where the CZ shot fine out of the box.

Bruce

Savage 93R17-BV w/ Tasco 6-24x42AO Varmint scope.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/ch47gunner/17hmr/dednutz015.jpg

CZ452 Varmint w/ Nikon Buckmaster 6-18x40SF scope
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/ch47gunner/17hmr/DSC_0499-1-2.jpg

Bruce

I am curious to know what "work" you had to put into the Savage? While I am not a big Savage fan (for no reason too), I have the exact same rifle setup that I bought used on this forum. I love the way mine shoots but then again, it was already sighted/worked in.

I love the .17HMR's so much that I will most likely get one or two more in the near future. I will keep my eyes open for the CZ based on your input.

I have never shot a fifle as accurate as my .17HMR, by far. At 100 yards my son can almost do a hole inside a hole. I will see if I have the squirrel targets from the last time we went. If I do, The pics will explain everything.

Wrangler John
04-03-2011, 3:16 AM
There are two choices in .17HMR:

Savage 93R17 in any of its configurations. Mine is a 93R17BTV a heavy barrel, thumbhole laminated ventilated stock model with a heavy barrel and AccuTrigger. Expect to pay around $440.00. With a 6-18X Leupold VXII it will shoot .5" at 50 yards and maintain them inside the 10 ring at 100 yards depending on wind. I use CCI TNT Green lead free ammo exclusively.

Volquartsen Semi-auto .17HMR in any of its configurations. These are available in a vast variety of configurations from carbon fiber wrapped barrels with Hogue stocks to snake fluted stainless barrels with compensator and wild laminated stocks. Expect to pay $1,500 +\- depending on features. These are far and away the most accurate .17 HMR rifles available.

I am not a fan of CZ products with so may good American made rifles available. This is not because of any inherent flaw of the line, just a bit of Buy American flag waving. Savage parts and service are also ubiquitous and inexpensive.

The .17 Mach 2 is not as capable as the .17 HMR, nor is it likely to become as popular.

With either, expect to have to double tap a squirrel much of the time to prevent draggers (important when competing in a sage rat festival where the carcasses or tails need to be turned in for a tally), the little .17 HMR 16 and 17 grain bullets plodding along at 2,500 fps (slower actually at range) don't react the same way a .204 Ruger 26 grain Varmint Grenade at 4,185 fps does (splat - was that mess a squirrel?) :)

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. ;)

ch47gunner
04-03-2011, 3:24 PM
Savage is headquartered in the USA - however, the rimfires are manufactured in Canada.

Sanded out the barrel groove to ensure free-floated barrel.
Replaced Accutrigger with Rifle Basix trigger.
Still to be bedded.
My Savage is also very finicky about type/weight of ammunition - I tried about every different bullet type until I found the 20gn HP Gamepoints group best.
The CZ shoots best with most any 17gn Vmax bullet.

Bruce

jbush
04-03-2011, 7:08 PM
There's been a few stores in So cal that have run the Savages on sale for around 250 and a while back Bass Pro had Marlins for 190 in 17 hmr. I snagged a Marlin, put a Boyd's thumbhole on it and lightened the trigger added a inexpensive bushnell scope and it hits quarters at 100 yds with just a sandbag in front. The 13 buck for 50 rds isn't as bad as the centerfires, but still more then the 22s, but it's still my favorite gun to shoot.

inspectorjj
04-11-2011, 7:59 PM
im thinking about the savage. im left handed but ive never owned a left handed weapon haha. been shooting since i could stand up lol. i might try and get a lefty

I have a Savage 93R17 BTV/ w/ Nikon 6x18x40. PM me if you are interested.

Kryptyde
04-12-2011, 10:58 AM
CZ vs Savage is an easy choice...CZ all the way if you're into quality and accuracy.

Neither are made in the US apparently so that argument is out.

MyOdessa
04-12-2011, 4:16 PM
If you have T/C Contender or Encore its easy to add barrel in .17HMR. Made in the USA. lol

kdmmcc
04-12-2011, 4:25 PM
I have a Ruger 17/77, laminated stock... beautiful rifle. I picked over the CZ for no other reason that I like Ruger. No complaints, smooth action and as accurate as I am... scope was more than the rifle... can't compare to Savage or CZ though. Good luck, I love my .17.

LCPL SKI
04-14-2011, 10:52 AM
Go with the .17 HMR, it's a great round. I hear a lot of good things about the Savage .17's, but I personally own a Mossberg 817 .17 HMR. They sell them at big 5 for like $159 when they go on sale. I have a crappy $40 scope on mine and we were knocking the centers out of clay pigeons at 200 yards the other day.

ghostrider
04-14-2011, 9:55 PM
Volquartsen Fusion
Anschutz MPR
Ruger .22Magnum steel reciever conversion
All are extremely accurate and can shoot ragged holes at 100yds
Next on the to buy list is a CZ 452 American

milotrain
04-14-2011, 11:42 PM
I have a 452 Lux. Not the FS version, which I like a lot. It's a whole bunch of gun for very little money (although it was even cheaper when I got it). Very accurate and extremely light. Perhaps that's it's best point, besides it's accuracy which is fantastic. I just love to shoot it, and the adjustable sight is very nice. The range I go to has swingers at 30 Yards, 50yards, 60yards, and 100yards. I can easily go from the 50 to 100 meter sight setting and shoot a little low on the 30 and high on the 60 and clean all the rows. It's really the first gun that really got me to enjoy shooting offhand because I can put 100 rounds through it without getting tired at all (except for my eyes!).

Mine is a .22LR and effective to 100yards no problem. I can't imagine you being disappointed with any of the 452 variants in any caliber.

I'd shoot the 60gr Aguila SSS ammo for animals. It's a .22 short shell with an extended bullet. Very nice, and quite accurate for it's size and oddity. Also very quiet. Still moving enough out at 100yards that you just need to shoot a bit high I'd use it to 50yards on something with a heartbeat, although I haven't yet.

inspectorjj
04-15-2011, 8:13 PM
See link for a great deal on a Savage BTV .17 HMR.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=420277

Tom-ADC
04-16-2011, 5:13 PM
This target shot 25 rd's at 100 yds Savage 93R17 FV with cheapo Center Point scope, I also have the Savage 93R17 BVS with a Mueller APV. But my first 17 HMR was a Mossberg 817 that I had the Center Point on it shot very well for the money still have it but don't shoot it anymore.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL174/1021972/1908390/357570616.jpg