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Bull's_eye
03-30-2011, 1:07 AM
Is it because it hasn't been around as long and/or there are less people making it? What's the deal here? The price discrepancy of the ammo is huge.

Fjold
03-30-2011, 6:12 AM
Volume.

The ammo manufacturers make billions of 22 rimfire a year and a fraction of the 17 HMR cases. They have more equipment, that has been paid off for years, to make 22 LR cases so it's cheaper to make.

rromeo
03-30-2011, 6:15 AM
Just like 9mm being cheaper than .32 acp.

ghostrider
03-30-2011, 6:35 AM
Yes indeed they are expensive, .22 is probably the least expensive of all the ammunition available. The .17HMR descended from the .22 Magnum. It was developed by necking down a .22 Magnum to fit a .17 Caliber bullet. I love the HMR for the velocities in a rimfire platform anywhere from 2350fps to 2550 feet per second
I have found the Hornady 17 HMR with the V-Max bullet to be one of my more accurate rounds I like to shoot
When I 1st started with the HMR a box would run around $7-8 a box of 50
Now I buy it for $9.99 a box at midsouthshooterssupply

Izzy43
03-30-2011, 6:52 AM
Is it because it hasn't been around as long and/or there are less people making it? What's the deal here? The price discrepancy of the ammo is huge.

If you do a comparison of .17HMR accuracy with a .22lr ammo that is as accurate I believe you will find the price is not that much different. Sure .22lr bulk ammo is a lot cheaper but the accuracy is not there.

Look at the price of a 50 round box of Tenex or Lapua match ammo. Wolf Match Extra is $6.50/50 and not considered high grade match ammo. Aguila Supermax @ 1750 FPS is the fastest long .22lr ammo out there and costs around $6.00/50 and will produce 3-5" groups @100yds.

I'm not saying that .17HMR Hornady is match ammo but it will consistantly shoot MOA out to 100yds and beyond with ballistics far superior to .22lr.

jackandblood
03-30-2011, 7:44 AM
.17 hmr is a damn cool round. but i wouldnt know where to go to hunt varmint, plus i kinda think squirrels are cute. I think these are reasons .17 doesn't sell well in socal (turners had maybe 20-30 boxes sitting idle and only one brand). .22lr does paper just fine. new tech .22wmr, short barreled high energy rd. are backordered to hell and back. .22 wmr regular stuff out of convertible revolvers are just plain fun, though not very accurate. .22wmr continues to gain momentum esp. in CA where SAO convertible revolvers of a certain length are roster exempt.

I would think .17 hmr would extract more reliably than 22wmr given the necked case, but haven't seen much in the way of semi rifles in .17hmr

xxINKxx
03-30-2011, 8:32 AM
Or like how 22 short is more expensive, yet there's less material and powder to make it so you'd think it would be cheaper. Just not a big market for it and it's not as mass produced and sold like popular ammo to help keep cost down.

bentnbroken
03-30-2011, 8:54 AM
basic economics - supply and demand

stockranger
03-30-2011, 9:09 AM
part of it is the knecking down of the case is a pain in the butt.

I agree that in so cal the 17hmr is sort of pointless. It is not big enough for coyote. Too big for rabbit. Its a good jack rabbit gun but most areas that hold jacks are shotgun only unless you drive north past highway 58. We really don't have ground squirrel hunting close by. Might aswell step up to a small centerfire if you need more then a .22 LR. The 17hm2 is an improvment on the .22lr and really is the ultimate small game round. Cheaper to shoot too. 17hm2 is awesome can't believe it doesn't become more popular.

nation
03-30-2011, 12:23 PM
i currently have 2 projects going. im doing a .17 conversion on my 10/22 and dropping that setup in a nordic conversion kit. should be a kickass little plinker.

2004jamange
03-30-2011, 12:39 PM
If you do a comparison of .17HMR accuracy with a .22lr ammo that is as accurate I believe you will find the price is not that much different. Sure .22lr bulk ammo is a lot cheaper but the accuracy is not there.

Look at the price of a 50 round box of Tenex or Lapua match ammo. Wolf Match Extra is $6.50/50 and not considered high grade match ammo. Aguila Supermax @ 1750 FPS is the fastest long .22lr ammo out there and costs around $6.00/50 and will produce 3-5" groups @100yds.

I'm not saying that .17HMR Hornady is match ammo but it will consistantly shoot MOA out to 100yds and beyond with ballistics far superior to .22lr.

I agree... 17HMR is a far superior round to the .22lr and in my eyes there is no comparison between the two. Cost winds up being a wash after you talk about rounds on paper... or varmint.

resident-shooter
03-30-2011, 1:00 PM
.22 is faaar more common, both as the product and the caliber of a gun. Almost every gun owner has a .22, but who has .17s??? Therefore only a handfun of manufacturers devote equipment to making .17 cal ammo.

CEDaytonaRydr
03-30-2011, 1:31 PM
Volume.

The ammo manufacturers make billions of 22 rimfire a year and a fraction of the 17 HMR cases. They have more equipment, that has been paid off for years, to make 22 LR cases so it's cheaper to make.

This ^^^^^

Khram
03-30-2011, 1:58 PM
I see merit for .17hm2 and .17hmr does have drawbacks. I wish .17hm2 was more popular hopefully in hangs in there. I have only one .17hmr. It also seems there is a issue with semi autos and .17hmr. Some of the ammo manufactures say not to use in in semi autos and Remington recalled their mod 597 in .17hmr.

mincoda
03-30-2011, 2:06 PM
The 22 has been around since 1887 and the last figures I saw that approximately 2-2.5 billion rounds are produced annually. So ya economics of scale does come into play.

dangerranger
03-30-2011, 6:51 PM
to compare 22LR with 17HMR is an unfair comparison. try the 22MAG against the 17HMR. with premium bullits they cost about the same, both come in lead free bullits, both are based on the same parrent case. the 17HMR will certianly take a coyote, a fox, a bobcat,etc... the 17 is much faster and flatter shooting. the only thing I like the 22mag better for is bullit weight. they can be had with weights up to 50gr.

the 22lr compares well with 17Mach2. same case, with premium bullits they cost about the same, yadda, yadda, yadda....

Bull's_eye
03-30-2011, 10:33 PM
Makes sense guys. I pick up my Marlin bolt action .17hmr tomorrow, plan to use it to start hunting small game. Have a ruger 10 22 for good cheap plinking.

HappyG
03-30-2011, 11:27 PM
It's a great round and pretty darn accurate out to 150 yards or so.

You can spend all day shooting and it'll cost as much as a few full mags of .308.

dangerranger
03-31-2011, 10:42 AM
Makes sense guys. I pick up my Marlin bolt action .17hmr tomorrow, plan to use it to start hunting small game. Have a ruger 10 22 for good cheap plinking.


that 22lr makes a good small game gun too! when I go out to shoot ground squirrels I try to clean out those under 50 yds with my 22, then those from 50 to 125yds with the 17Mach2. then out to 200yds Ill pick off those with the 17HMR. by the time Im through playing at longer distances the up close squirrels are poping back up as no ones shooting at them. its all in picking the right tool for the job. DR

portegee
03-31-2011, 10:57 AM
I'll have to take some picks of what a 17 does to 1/4 steel target @ 50 yards. It's pretty impressive and the 22 barley chips the paint off. I'll post some pics of it after lunch.

E Pluribus Unum
03-31-2011, 10:59 AM
Research supply and demand.

There is a large supply/demand for .22LR so the cost has evened out. The supply/demand for .17HMR is lower, but the demand curve is steeper.

There is less supply for the demand that's out there.

Bull's_eye
03-31-2011, 12:27 PM
I'll have to take some picks of what a 17 does to 1/4 steel target @ 50 yards. It's pretty impressive and the 22 barley chips the paint off. I'll post some pics of it after lunch.

I'd be interested to see that.

emgee00
03-31-2011, 7:12 PM
I'll have to take some picks of what a 17 does to 1/4 steel target @ 50 yards. It's pretty impressive and the 22 barley chips the paint off. I'll post some pics of it after lunch.

Well that should be a no brainer for everyone to comprehend. The .17HMR has a velocity of around 2700-3000FPS while a .22LR has velocities of around 1100-1400FPS.

I know people who take down coyote with .17HMR's even though the weight of the bullet is about half or less of a comparable .22LR. I think you would have to be a pretty good shot to take down a coyote with a 22LR, in my opinion :confused:

shooterdude
04-01-2011, 6:43 AM
Is it because it hasn't been around as long and/or there are less people making it? What's the deal here? The price discrepancy of the ammo is huge.

Why does a BMW cost more than a Ford? Why does a Beretta Shotgun cost more than a Mossberg? Why does a Rolex cost more than a Timex?

Yeah, these aren't apples to apples comparisons and neither is .17HMR to .22LR.

portegee
04-01-2011, 7:12 AM
As promised the big holes are from my other riffles still pretty impressed with the 17 though

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here's a 1/2 inch plate

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lewdogg21
04-01-2011, 7:49 AM
From what I've read the .17HMR is only made by one mfgr and then rebadged as whatever brand. That would also keep the $ high.

emgee00
04-01-2011, 7:57 AM
From what I've read the .17HMR is only made by one mfgr and then rebadged as whatever brand. That would also keep the $ high.

A Monopoly??? If the left found out about this they would shut them down. The FTC would go crazy! We can't have capitalism :D

NytWolf
04-01-2011, 8:13 AM
From what I've read the .17HMR is only made by one mfgr and then rebadged as whatever brand. That would also keep the $ high.

Where have you read that? My advice: Don't believe everything you read.

To OP's question:

It is a relatively new caliber, so the manufacturers aren't ramped up to full production. On top of that, there are relatively fewer manufacturers who make 17HMR bullets. In either case, as already stated earlier, premium bullets cost more.

When you compare 17HMR cartridge to the 22LR or even the 22WMR, what you will see is that the 17HMR has a neck. The 22LR or the 22WMR both have straight necks. The 17HMR cartridge has to go through an extra step of necking down, so that contributes to the cost.

To take it even one more step in trying to reason why the 17HMR costs more than the 22LR, which is the OP's original comparison, you can see the difference while cleaning your firearm. The 22LR's will be much dirtier burning compared to the 17HMR. With this said, they use better powders in 17HMR. Also, when you start shooting different brands, you'll notice that even the dirtiest 17HMR cartridges aren't as dirty as the cleaner 22LR cartridges.

jbush
04-03-2011, 6:49 PM
Necked down cartridge, boattail copper jacketed bullet with polycarb core, consistant better quality powder and primer all add to the cost. But the 17 hmr is way superior to the 22lr. Would be tough to even do a comparison. Look at a ballistics chart.

Shoot-it
04-03-2011, 7:02 PM
They are both fun to hunt with
22lr for the dumb 50 yards squirrels that never been shot at and the 17hmr for the 100 yardages or even closer.I find myself shooting the 22 lr more often just because it's cheaper and the rifle is semi auto.

Ogre8472
04-03-2011, 7:18 PM
Jbush is right. The 17hm2 would be better to compare to the 22lr and hmr is great round for sure.

bambklr
04-04-2011, 4:29 PM
The .22lr is like the girl next door,always fun and not too hard on the wallet The 17HMR is like a fine call girl,a little thinner and taller but a lot more Bang for your buck

emgee00
04-04-2011, 5:19 PM
The .22lr is like the girl next door,always fun and not too hard on the wallet The 17HMR is like a fine call girl,a little thinner and taller but a lot more Bang for your buck

Nice analogy :confused: