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Arisaka
03-29-2011, 1:13 PM
Hello, I was looking over this thread: http://mobile.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=410317 regarding pinfire firearms, and a thought occured to me while playing Black Ops (zombies) :D. The HK G11 fires caseless ammunition, so I don't believe that it is centerfire or rimfire. If there were to be a production rifle firing caseless ammunition, how would it fit in to the current regulations? What if the G11 was produced and imported? Just an interesting brain teaser, any thoughts?

Oh ya, here is the G11:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G11

Bobula
03-29-2011, 1:15 PM
how is it not still considered a firearm?

AJAX22
03-29-2011, 1:15 PM
G11 is still centerfire

Check out remington's electrically primed cartridge and the 5.7 vec cartridge by voere

There are also some VERRY interesting cartridges coming out of Russia

Arisaka
03-29-2011, 1:20 PM
G11 is still centerfire

Check out remington's electrically primed cartridge and the 5.7 vec cartridge by voere

There are also some VERRY interesting cartridges coming out of Russia

Thanks for the reply, the G11 was just an example of a firearm using caseless ammo. Obviously, it was never a production firearm, I'm more interested in the concept of caseless ammo, maybe California AW laws wouldn't apply?

AJAX22
03-29-2011, 1:22 PM
Thanks for the reply, the G11 was just an example of a firearm using caseless ammo. Obviously, it was never a production firearm, I'm more interested in the concept of caseless ammo, maybe California AW laws wouldn't apply?

California AW (rifle) laws only apply to centerfire cartridges..

it doesn't have to do with the fixed/caseless nature, rather the meathod of ignition.

Arisaka
03-29-2011, 1:25 PM
California AW (rifle) laws only apply to centerfire cartridges..

it doesn't have to do with the fixed/caseless nature, rather the meathod of ignition.

So a caseless cartridge, fired electronically could be the ticket. Sorry for the G11 example, big fail. Still interested in the idea though. Any links to the interesting Russian ideas?

safewaysecurity
03-29-2011, 1:27 PM
AW laws also apply to rimfire

Arisaka
03-29-2011, 1:29 PM
Maybe this? :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisy_V/L No primer at all.....

Kodemonkey
03-29-2011, 1:45 PM
They will just classify it as a destructive device and be done with it.

Peter.Steele
03-29-2011, 1:47 PM
AW laws also apply to rimfire


Pistols only.

stix213
03-29-2011, 1:54 PM
Its all about the Metal Storm I think :D

Electronically fired, not centerfire or rimfire.

d8hlj4EbdsE

Arisaka
03-29-2011, 2:06 PM
Its all about the Metal Storm I think :D

Electronically fired, not centerfire or rimfire.

d8hlj4EbdsE

Wow. Plinking revolutionized. Wish I owned that, and a junkyard.

AJAX22
03-29-2011, 2:11 PM
So a caseless cartridge, fired electronically could be the ticket. Sorry for the G11 example, big fail. Still interested in the idea though. Any links to the interesting Russian ideas?

http://s49.radikal.ru/i123/0905/ff/f50c59abec53.jpg

PB-4-1ML

http://www.operatorchan.org/k/arch/src/k214682_Law-%20less-lethal%20Russian%20%D0%9E%D0%A1%D0%90%20(Wasp)%201 8x45mm%20(ar.jpg

MasterYong
03-29-2011, 4:26 PM
http://s49.radikal.ru/i123/0905/ff/f50c59abec53.jpg

PB-4-1ML

http://www.operatorchan.org/k/arch/src/k214682_Law-%20less-lethal%20Russian%20%D0%9E%D0%A1%D0%90%20(Wasp)%201 8x45mm%20(ar.jpg

I can see I'm going to need to be following your posts much more closely...

AJAX22
03-29-2011, 5:13 PM
I can see I'm going to need to be following your posts much more closely...


Brother you have no idea ;)