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ap3572001
03-18-2011, 11:52 AM
Here it is :):
Trying to make a trade with a friend, and will end-up with some stuff I don't need.

Need a FAIR SELLING PRICE on two Yugo SKS rifles , that are brand new , unissued , unfired and close to 100% condition .

Consecutive numbers too.

Would like opinions on selling price for both. They will have to go as a pair.

Thank's.

rodeoflyer
03-18-2011, 11:54 AM
$200 for the pair....

:Ivan:

bollero
03-18-2011, 11:56 AM
ill give him the money for them.. if u dont want them... 300 each.. fair price

thunderbolt
03-18-2011, 11:57 AM
300 ea. seems like a good price to me. Look in the marketplace for your price point.

ap3572001
03-18-2011, 12:00 PM
300 ea. seems like a good price to me. Look in the marketplace for your price point.

I know, but I have never seen them NEW like this. Everything is fine , but the top is all welded up :( ...Does not look very nice....:(

THey are really NEW , but the metal thats welded is flaking :(

dieselpower
03-18-2011, 12:04 PM
$300...for new, un-issued Yugos.... yeah ok that seems fair just like the guys who think a new Colt for $800 is fair...fat chance finding that deal

$450 each at New, un-issued, unmarred, rifles. You start subtracting for issued wear on the bore and general damage to the stocks. Issued, used re-worked Yugos should go for about $250. Top grade issued at about $350

bigthaiboy
03-18-2011, 12:05 PM
This is what they are selling for nationally : https://www.samcoglobal.com/1-sks.html.
Big 5 had them recently for $399 which is too high, so some where in between?

dieselpower
03-18-2011, 12:09 PM
This is what they are selling for nationally : https://www.samcoglobal.com/1-sks.html.
Big 5 had them recently for $399 which is too high, so some where in between?

nothing in that link tells me they are selling UN-ISSUED, NEW rifles...only top grade issued and reworked rifles..there is a HUGE difference.

West9319
03-18-2011, 12:10 PM
:useless:

ap3572001
03-18-2011, 12:12 PM
I will try to get the pic back from him in few min

paul0660
03-18-2011, 12:13 PM
:useless:

Especially since the top is welded, and I don't know what that is. The thing that goes up?

ap3572001
03-18-2011, 12:20 PM
Looks like welded sleeve??????

dieselpower
03-18-2011, 12:20 PM
:useless:


agreed, and a definition of "new". Since "new" "like new" "new condition" all matter as to value. IIRC after production many armories re-serialized the rifles, it was later called "forced numbering" and some importers do it to entire crates the same as a 07 here in the states can alter a rifle. So there is a HUGE difference between a re-worked crate of 1959s all with consecutive #s and a just found, un-issued crate of 1959's untouched after leaving the factory.

Years ago I paid top dollar for what I thought was a "new" SkS. After research I found out it was a SKS that was reworked and the numbers were matched by the Importer. I found several armory stamps that didnt match the dates of a "new" un-issued SKS. Careful, things are not always what they appear.

dieselpower
03-18-2011, 12:24 PM
I know, but I have never seen them NEW like this. Everything is fine , but the top is all welded up :( ...Does not look very nice....:(

THey are really NEW , but the metal thats welded is flaking :(


Didnt even see this.... Value is like $250 each max. They are NOT new. They are re-worked and bubba rifles.

ignore my first post, $450 would be for REAL, unissued, new, not re-worked (new) rifles.

n6vmo
03-18-2011, 12:28 PM
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ap3572001
03-18-2011, 12:34 PM
I will try to post a pic again. How do you tell the difference??????

johnthomas
03-18-2011, 12:35 PM
Retail new at big5 yesterday 399.00. They will have to go through an ffl. If you can match price that will pay for transfer fee, dros and tax and the buyer still gets it for 399, you would be giving a fair, good deal.

paul0660
03-18-2011, 12:36 PM
Didnt even see this.... Value is like $250 each max. They are NOT new. They are re-worked and bubba rifles.

ignore my first post, $450 would be for REAL, unissued, new, not re-worked (new) rifles.

No, they are 59/66's with sleeves welded over the grenade launchers as many wholesalers did for sale to California. I have seen these in cosmoline (bought two from IO in 2007 for $130 each). If these are unissued in cosmo, they are like what I have seen Big 5 selling. Pics needed.

ap3572001
03-18-2011, 12:44 PM
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d20/ap3572001/002-4.jpg

paul0660
03-18-2011, 12:50 PM
So, is the sleeve on the grenade launcher (round thing at the end of the barrel) or not?

ap3572001
03-18-2011, 12:57 PM
So, is the sleeve on the grenade launcher (round thing at the end of the barrel) or not?

Looks like a round steel tube is welded there. Was bought this way.

ap3572001
03-18-2011, 12:59 PM
I guess before I sell , I need to know what I have , so I can price it correctly.

dieselpower
03-18-2011, 1:01 PM
No, they are 59/66's with sleeves welded over the grenade launchers as many wholesalers did for sale to California. I have seen these in cosmoline (bought two from IO in 2007 for $130 each). If these are unissued in cosmo, they are like what I have seen Big 5 selling. Pics needed.

exact rifles I was talking about...they are not new. they were forced matched before importation. Bought one from a gun shop in Hemet for $250. I disassembled it and found several armory marks from the 1970s and 1980s. I later learned from a guy on a SKS website that the serialized numbers were "forced matched" IAW the laws outside of the US, then the rifles were imported. The rifle was re-worked therefore is not new.

paul0660
03-18-2011, 1:18 PM
exact rifles I was talking about...they are not new. they were forced matched before importation. Bought one from a gun shop in Hemet for $250. I disassembled it and found several armory marks from the 1970s and 1980s. I later learned from a guy on a SKS website that the serialized numbers were "forced matched" IAW the laws outside of the US, then the rifles were imported. The rifle was re-worked therefore is not new.

So you are saying there is no way the rifles I bought were new, unfired, and not forced matched?

dieselpower
03-18-2011, 1:20 PM
I guess before I sell , I need to know what I have , so I can price it correctly.

find every mark on all the pieces and go to an SKS website. Then you can place a value on them. Every roll mark means something and is a history of the firearm.

ap3572001
03-18-2011, 1:30 PM
VERY CONFUSED...... So are they 300.00 guns 400.00 guns???

driveljay
03-18-2011, 1:32 PM
http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php

pretty much all info you could ever need can be found here.

dieselpower
03-18-2011, 1:36 PM
VERY CONFUSED...... So are they 300.00 guns 400.00 guns???

http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php

pretty much all info you could ever need can be found here.

find every mark on the firearms, go to that website, ask questions related to those marks, (when you can not find the info yourself) and then you should be able to value them yourself.

wildog8812
03-18-2011, 1:42 PM
Look up pictures of re manufactured sks's online

If yours has a box with a line on the blot cover then it is re manufactured and worth a lot less if it does not then it is probably in original condition and worth around $400 if you bought it at a gun shop but they mark their prices up about $40-$80 on these guns for profit

bigthaiboy
03-18-2011, 1:47 PM
nothing in that link tells me they are selling UN-ISSUED, NEW rifles...only top grade issued and reworked rifles..there is a HUGE difference.


I was referencing the New Condition $329 price. I was sceptical that they were true unissued M59/66. Too many reworks knocking around.

ap3572001
03-18-2011, 1:48 PM
Look up pictures of re manufactured sks's online

If yours has a box with a line on the blot cover then it is re manufactured and worth a lot less if it does not then it is probably in original condition and worth around $400 if you bought it at a gun shop but they mark their prices up about $40-$80 on these guns for profit

I done see any lines....Where should they be like on the Russian ones? on the cover?
I guess 800.00 for the pair is a fair price.

wildog8812
03-18-2011, 1:59 PM
I done see any lines....Where should they be like on the Russian ones? on the cover?
I guess 800.00 for the pair is a fair price.

Yes that is where they should be if it was re manufactured good places to look to get idea's of prices are either in the marketplace or on gunbroker and just look for what others are selling guns like yours for. But $800 for both seems a bit high to me since they would be buying both

Prince50
03-18-2011, 2:00 PM
I'm going to jump in here and ask what the prefix letter on the SN is?

Darin

ap3572001
03-18-2011, 2:00 PM
Yes that is where they should be if it was re manufactured good places to look to get idea's of prices are either in the marketplace or on gunbroker and just look for what others are selling guns like yours for. But $800 for both seems a bit high to me since they would be buying both


Ok . I guess when I list them , I just ask 400.00 each and wait till the other sells too..... Oh boy .....

dieselpower
03-18-2011, 2:24 PM
I was referencing the New Condition $329 price. I was sceptical that they were true unissued M59/66. Too many reworks knocking around.

yeah, thats the scam that got me. Saw the sign, "new un-issued, SKS $250!, used issued SKS, $130." The salesman told me I was buying a rifle with matching numbers, un-fired..blah blah blah stored in a crate since manufactured...blah blah blah... first to own..blah blah blah... test fired only 50 years ago!!!...:rolleyes: sucker born every minute.

I show it to a expert and for the next 30 minutes he proceeds to detail the life of the rifle by looking at all the marks and how it was made to appear to be a "new" rifle by importers looking to charge more. I made the guys in Hemet aware of this and the sign came down the next day...I was then told there was never a sign later that week....and the $250 SKS rifles were now labeled "top grade"...what ever that meant. :rolleyes:

bigthaiboy
03-18-2011, 4:07 PM
yeah, thats the scam that got me. Saw the sign, "new un-issued, SKS $250!, used issued SKS, $130." The salesman told me I was buying a rifle with matching numbers, un-fired..blah blah blah stored in a crate since manufactured...blah blah blah... first to own..blah blah blah... test fired only 50 years ago!!!...:rolleyes: sucker born every minute.

I show it to a expert and for the next 30 minutes he proceeds to detail the life of the rifle by looking at all the marks and how it was made to appear to be a "new" rifle by importers looking to charge more. I made the guys in Hemet aware of this and the sign came down the next day...I was then told there was never a sign later that week....and the $250 SKS rifles were now labeled "top grade"...what ever that meant. :rolleyes:


That sucks, but unfortunately I heard a similar story before concerning "unissued" M59/66.

Many M59/66 were shipped from arsenals with their original log books which details every thing ever done to the rifle since manufacture, including the rifle's round count. I guess the importers throw these out when the rifles arrive into the country. I have seen log books for sale for around $10-$15, but of course, they don't mean much if you don't have the correct rifle to go with it. If I was going to pay a premium for an unissued M59/66, I would want to see it's original log book.

dieselpower
03-18-2011, 5:46 PM
That sucks, but unfortunately I heard a similar story before concerning "unissued" M59/66.

Many M59/66 were shipped from arsenals with their original log books which details every thing ever done to the rifle since manufacture, including the rifle's round count. I guess the importers throw these out when the rifles arrive into the country. I have seen log books for sale for around $10-$15, but of course, they don't mean much if you don't have the correct rifle to go with it. If I was going to pay a premium for an unissued M59/66, I would want to see it's original log book.

and the problem I would have is...how do I know some guy isnt just scribbling on log book then telling me this is the real log book...how can you independently confirm the authenticity of the log book, and who do you hold responsible when it turns out some guy in China is "replicating" log books then selling them as real to US dealers.

that all being said, a new, never issued, never re-worked 59 should fetch about $450 from what I have seen.

lobsternoob
03-18-2011, 6:30 PM
Interesting info here, this has me wondering about my Yugo. There are no alterations on the rifle in the way of weldings/markings, anything welded to the grenade launcher, etc, and mine was in some gnarly old-school packaging the likes of which I've never seen(definitely looked from before my time) when I first got it. It wasn't touted as being unissued or unfired, in fact the store I got it from just had one on the rack as a sample and a sign that said "Yugo SKS 179.00", that was about ten years back, but I wonder if mine was actually unissued or just remanufactured/retouched. Guess it doesn't matter, but here's my point, if they look decent enough you could likely get 300-400, maybe more who knows... they may not really be worth that, but I've seen them pretty high in a few places recently. I looked at one at one of the chain stores myself a few weeks ago that was marked 300 -something and looked like it had been through a freaking meatgrinder...What it's worth varies by person, and what you'll get for it even more so, but it seems you're in the right range, worst that happens is they don't sell and you ask a little less.

bigthaiboy
03-18-2011, 11:48 PM
and the problem I would have is...how do I know some guy isnt just scribbling on log book then telling me this is the real log book...how can you independently confirm the authenticity of the log book, and who do you hold responsible when it turns out some guy in China is "replicating" log books then selling them as real to US dealers.

that all being said, a new, never issued, never re-worked 59 should fetch about $450 from what I have seen.



To be honest, I doubt there will ever be an international conspiracy to dupe American mil-surp buyers into paying more for their rifles by forging log books in cyrillic.

Like I said before, when Yugo M59/66 are shipped here in crates, many of them arrive with their log books. Why these log books are not shipped to the stores with the rifles is anybody's guess. I would rather take the history of the rifle based on the information in these log books as gospel, than the word of some random guy behind the counter of a gun store.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q163/bigthaiboy/01_m59-66_logbook_cover.png

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q163/bigthaiboy/02_m59-66_logbook_pg1.png

eeeeman
03-19-2011, 9:51 AM
Why all this talk just put them up for sale?

CSACANNONEER
03-19-2011, 9:54 AM
I paid $179 for my unissued 59/66.

Ryan in SD
03-19-2011, 11:10 AM
I paid $179 for my unissued 59/66.

back when dinosaurs ruled the earth?

gunRfun
03-19-2011, 11:13 AM
back when dinosaurs ruled the earth?

I paid $179 for my unissued 59/66.

2001 at Irvington Arms, I got one for that price.

Roccobro
03-19-2011, 11:35 PM
Here it is :):
Trying to make a trade with a friend, and will end-up with some stuff I don't need.

Need a FAIR SELLING PRICE on two Yugo SKS rifles , that are brand new , unissued , unfired and close to 100% condition .

Consecutive numbers too.

Would like opinions on selling price for both. They will have to go as a pair.

Thank's.

You try to get top dollar from all of your "friends" when selling used rifles? OUCH!

Justin

railroader
03-20-2011, 8:01 AM
I bought two sks rifles from Inter Ordnance about ten years ago. They were 59/66 models with the sleeve over the grenade launcher. They actually I think they were parts guns. The bluing was perfect. The bolt carrier had no serial number. It looked like it had been machined off. The mag also had no serial number. The stock was new, unfinished. It needed to be finished sanded and tung oiled. The stock also had a serial number that was off by one number like someone had just put the numbers on and goofed. The rifle also had no cosmoline anywhere. I got two of the rifles for $250 shipped. I converted one to look like a model 59. Here's a pic.

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/602/mod59105cs.jpg

ElvenSoul
03-20-2011, 9:38 AM
Just saw one ar Big 5 for $359.00....hope that helps

CSACANNONEER
03-20-2011, 10:01 AM
back when dinosaurs ruled the earth?

If you are a little kid or over 85, you might consider 7 years ago to be "when dinosaurs ruled the earth". If you're 18 or older, you should have a better grasp on reality and time.

lobsternoob
03-20-2011, 7:43 PM
You try to get top dollar from all of your "friends" when selling used rifles? OUCH!

Justin

I think he's doing a trade with a friend, and in the process he gets two things he doesn't need, the rifles. I don't think he's selling them to his friend. Otherwise, yeah, ouch, but I highly doubt it.