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Patriot
10-20-2006, 4:04 PM
Do you own a Remington 870 or a Mossberg 500/590 (or something else).

If you own more than 1, vote for the one you'd pick if you could have only one.

I'd kind of like to keep this limited to those who actually own/regularly use shotguns.

This is more of a survey than a pros/cons thread.

rorschach
10-20-2006, 7:20 PM
Ithaca M37 anyone??

Vigilante
10-20-2006, 9:39 PM
Ithaca M37 anyone??
Good call, but I like my Browning BPS better.

NorCal MedTac
10-20-2006, 9:43 PM
I've owned both 870 and a 500, and have trained with both in a few classes and the 870 just works for me better.

Ratters
10-21-2006, 6:37 AM
Winchester 1300 Defender. Excellent shotgun. Cycles like butter. Plus it can use Aguila mini shells. ;) I wouldn't hesitate to buy another.

DV8
10-21-2006, 6:46 AM
870 for me. Used to have a 500 but the 870 had more options and works a little bit more smoother for me.

luvtolean
10-21-2006, 7:38 AM
This was spelled out in another thread, but some pros and cons

870 Pros
Smoother action (go to your local Big 5 and try it)
Gigantic aftermarket support
Nearly ubiquitous
May have a more familiar manual of arms to you (trigger guard safety)

870 Cons
Does not have as good a feeding mechanism as a 500 (has weird complicated blockages if you don't get a round fully seated in the mag)
Non-ambi safety
A bit higher cost

500 Pros
Ambi safety
Very positive extraction from the mag
Cheaper

500 cons
A bit more questioned reliability
Not as "smooth" an action
Not quite as ubiquitous as the 870, and not quite the AM support (though still very good)

I have an 870 on my 10 day as the manual of arms was very familiar to me, but a friend who was a tactical instructor prefers the 500

Outlaw Josey Wales
10-21-2006, 8:44 AM
While I own both 870 and 500 model shotguns consider this:

"High security is fine; high maintenance isn't. Enter the Mossberg® 500® and 590® Persuader® shotguns -- the pump-action shotguns you can count on for your security needs. They have the credentials and track record to prove it. In their commercial form, the Persuaders are virtual duplicates of the proven Mossberg® military 500® and 590® models -- the only pump-action shotguns ever to pass all stringent U. S. Military Mil-Spec 3443 standards."

762cavalier
10-21-2006, 3:33 PM
I have only owned Mossberg 500's. they are inexpensive (I won't say cheap because they aren't) and reliability has NEVER been an issue for me. I have had both the 6 shot and the 8 shot versions( have one now). Aftermarket barrels for the 8 shot are limited but mossberg finally came out with a 24" ported barrel for them that works just fine for me along with the original short barrel.

Black_Talon
10-21-2006, 3:39 PM
Ithaca 37 for me. "Best gun going".

http://www.black-talon.org/RKBA/SG/M37_DSPS_77_0600.jpg

madjack956
10-21-2006, 5:07 PM
Mossberg 500 - Home D
Remington 870- Field Gun
Bennelli Montefeltro - Field Gun

aznglocker
10-21-2006, 10:33 PM
I have the Mossberg 590A1 and 500. IMHO it is a great shotgun, never had any problems with it at all. Love the top tang safety. Its dead nuts with slugs. Added accessories are Surefire forend light, shortend stock and Wilderness single point sling. Only drawback it's heavy as a rock, so humping around classes gets to be tireing. I don't think the action is as smooth as the 870 though. I've smooth and polished the rails so that seemed to help.

The 500 is an older 9-shot Persuader model was a Big 5 weekly special. I've put many rounds through that and have'nt had any problems. I looks kinda of cheap and the forend rattles but I think the reliabilty makes up for that.

-hanko
10-22-2006, 6:49 AM
Both the Mossberg & 870's are good guns, that part of the question is along the lines of 'which is better, 9mm or .45'.

IMO the Ithaca and BPS are a lot easier to carry all day if hunting is your thing. Both put your hulls at your feet and are definitely smoother than the 500 or 870.

-hanko

mu9en
10-22-2006, 12:04 PM
i like the 870

lazyman
11-01-2006, 11:19 AM
had a mossberg 500 before the 5 shot model. got rid of it shortly after I picked up my 870. 870 has a way more solid feel than my mossy. Had the opportunity to shoot a 20in. mossy at a range along with my 870. the Mossberg had less felt recoil when blasting slugs. maybe because of longer barrel.

anotherone
11-03-2006, 4:24 PM
I use a Benelli SuperNova in MAX4 HD with a 26 inch barrel to hunt waterfowl.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7/kphga1977/P1010003.jpg

I'm saving up cash to get a Benelli Super Black Eagle II. If you'd like to help me save by purchasing a used EOTech, Bushmaster M4 Upper, or other AR-15 goodness please PM me (shameless plug).

capitol
11-03-2006, 5:10 PM
chevy-ford-dodge

anotherone
11-03-2006, 5:23 PM
chevy-ford-dodge

What about Toyota :rolleyes:

Patriot
11-03-2006, 5:36 PM
chevy-ford-dodge

What about Toyota

Pwned!




Oh, wait. We're talking about big, solid, utilitarian products here (e.g. trucks). The majority of Toyotas' sales are to Trucks as as the majority of FN Sales are to Shotguns.

rorschach
11-03-2006, 5:54 PM
the only pump-action shotguns ever to pass all stringent U. S. Military Mil-Spec 3443 standards."

Yes, only because 870's were not submitted.

Make mine Remy 870, with Ithaca M37 slamfire a very close 2nd.

anotherone
11-03-2006, 11:40 PM
Pwned!




Oh, wait. We're talking about big, solid, utilitarian products here (e.g. trucks). The majority of Toyotas' sales are to Trucks as as the majority of FN Sales are to Shotguns.

Yes it's true that all the rage in the truck world is about chevy, dodge, and ford (pretty much in that order). But I guarantee that while your fuel inefficient unreliable American truck is in the shop getting fixed because it broke down again my Toyota will be in one of the Wildlife Preserve parking lots while I'm shooting your ducks :D!

Patriot
11-04-2006, 8:52 AM
But I guarantee that while your fuel inefficient unreliable American truck is in the shop getting fixed because it broke down again my Toyota will be in one of the Wildlife Preserve parking lots while I'm shooting your ducks

I happen to own a Toyota, so there. You're free to pick up the feathers :D :cool:

Besides, when comparing equivalent size/weight/class trucks, I don't know if Toyotas get any real advantage in fuel economy. IIRC, the Ford Ranger is actually one of the most fuel efficient trucks. Too bad I'd have to waste twice as much gas driving it to the mechanic all the time :p


I've handled both both 870s and 500s. Like the 870s, but the Mossberg has a more ergonomic slide release and safety.

461
11-05-2006, 3:19 PM
I've never owned an 870 but I've definitely used the heck out of them and they are very good guns in every regard. I own an old Winchester 1200 which works very well for me and since I got a great deal on it and can't find anything wrong with it I plan to keep it. I bought a youth 20gauge Mossberg 500 for my son and I've been having a pretty good time with it but can't say I've put it through the wringer yet.

metalhead357
11-05-2006, 4:38 PM
Besides, when comparing equivalent size/weight/class trucks, I don't know if Toyotas get any real advantage in fuel economy. IIRC, the Ford Ranger is actually one of the most fuel efficient trucks. Too bad I'd have to waste twice as much gas driving it to the mechanic all the time :p.

Yeah, and a Baja Bug, jeep, unimog or land rover will all get ya' even further with none of them probs (and this is coming from a devoted Ford owner). And I fully agree on the (lack) of fuel economy on the Toyo's as as soon as my buddy hooked up his ATV trailer he was were I'm at with 1/3 the power of my truck still under tow..... So where's the savings or the incentive? Road-over by my truck:p Cant tell with them BIG tires:D

I own'd both and 1100's a benelli nova, and a few others. I'm sticking with my 870 thank you. Would I own the others? Yep. But what do I and will I take hunting to beat the snot out of? The 870........

BossHog
11-07-2006, 4:15 PM
Big +1 on the 870. Here are mine:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a312/tharden/IMG_2077.jpg

SemiAutoSam
11-07-2006, 5:04 PM
Looking for a 10 and or 12 gauge pump some what like the shotgun that Da Govanator used in T2.

Any idea which Boomstick that was ?

Patriot
11-07-2006, 6:36 PM
Winchester M1887 IIRC

I think Interarms makes a clone

FatKatMatt
11-07-2006, 7:22 PM
Ithaca M37 anyone??

I'm thinking about getting one of these. How good is it for hunting/home defense etc.

Lambchop
11-07-2006, 9:29 PM
I have an 870 and a 590, I like both of them but the 590 feels beefier. Dont get me wrong, I would feel more then ok using either of them against rabid killer zombies, but it just seems that the 870 was designed as a hunting gun and the 590 as a defense gun. The 590 has a thicker barrel and the forearm rails seem stronger, plus my 590 has the factory one piece extened magazine, where my 870 doesnt.

11Z50
11-07-2006, 10:07 PM
I say slight edge to the ubiqutous 870 Rem. I own several, and have found them all to be exceptionally good guns. I recently did a 870 Supermag project complete with Knoxx Stock and the youngest son has chosen it as his favorite. Oldest son acquired from me my previous 870 HD project gun equipped with light and red dot sight. I bought a spare 870 express for a Vang-comp conversion, but a buddy bought it before I could get it sent off. I have an 870 trap gun, and another HD-type for serious biz.

While there is little difference between the latest 870 Express and 500's there is a big difference between old 870 wingmasters and police versions and the Mossberg. Even Express models from a few years back are notably smoother than current ones.

I have also owned several Mossbergs, most recently a 500 I picked up from Sprtz Authority in a smoking deal. (Thx Snorkel Bob) It is a cool gun and shoots well. The Mossbergs are slightly "rougher" than the average 870. Still quite serviceable however, and a Mossberg package deal is alot of gun for little money.

The Ithaca 37 is a good gun, but a little hard to keep running since spare parts can be hard to find. The BPS is pretty slick, but little aftermarket toys exist.

Since to me, value and versatility are very important in a shotty, I'd have to say price and extras make the big difference. If you can get a Mossberg 500 w/ spare barrel for less than an 870 Express with one barrel, get the Mossberg. If the price is close and the spare barrel is not important, get the Remington.

lazyman
11-07-2006, 11:54 PM
yeah baby 870 still leading in the poles, I can't wait for purchase day and see what the guy bought:)

CalNRA
11-08-2006, 2:51 AM
dang it, I vote before I bought my 870.

Can some both an option for both? I love all my guns equally and wouldn't pick one ahead of the other....

Richie Rich
11-10-2006, 3:11 PM
Have owned my 590 since 1993, it has approx 1,500 rounds thru it and I did not detail strip and clean it from the time of purchase until about 3 months ago. I did do a basic cleaning every time I took it out but never broke it all the way down. (because I was stupid and lost the manual for it)

Even with a pound of sand in the trigger group it went bang every time. Not light but I am more then happy with it.. Going to make it a bit tacticooler with a adjustable stock w/pistol grip and perhaps a forend with a light....

Forend rattles on mine also, a minor annoyance..

BTW, Toyota or nothing.. Got 2 of em...

FatKatMatt
11-10-2006, 6:26 PM
I'm going down to Big 5 to purchase a Mossberg 500 tommorrow, 8 shot 20" barrel. With my small amount of burnable cash the Mossberg looks like a better deal.

grammaton76
11-10-2006, 6:31 PM
Gah, last post apparently went away when the forum backup happened.

I said...

Most pump shotguns are large, heavy, and sturdy enough to be effectively used as clubs once they run out of ammunition.

The Mossberg M590, on the other hand, is sturdy enough to be used as a shotgun again after having been used as a club.

Diablo
11-10-2006, 7:58 PM
:cool: Mossberg, reliable and inexpensive.

50ae
11-10-2006, 7:58 PM
I was sold on the Mossy in the Navy when I saw one filled with sand have no reliablility problems.

11Z50
11-12-2006, 8:30 PM
I was at DLI/Presidio of Monterey this last weekend, and noted the secuity blokes were armed with 8-shot Mossy 500's.

BTW, I picked up a new Mossy "cruiser" with collapsable PG stock and heatshield. There was another at my FFL's shop complete with stand-off flash suppressor for door busting. Not really useful, but cool. I still give a slight edge to the 870, but 500's are good guns. Looks like Mossberg is trying to move up a notch by supplying aftermarket features as OEM.

Shotties are soooooo cool!

cpsca
11-15-2006, 8:21 AM
Make mine an 870.

An earlier poster made mention of the fact that the 870 is not ambidextrous. True, but a lefty safety can be found if you're left handed.

Prc329
11-15-2006, 8:27 AM
Turners has the 870 security on sale for $275. Its the 7 shot 18" barrel.

DULLYJAY
11-15-2006, 6:55 PM
Winchester 1300 Defender. Excellent shotgun. Cycles like butter. Plus it can use Aguila mini shells. ;) I wouldn't hesitate to buy another.
+1. I do have a Moss 835 3 1/2" for trap & hunting

modenar1
11-16-2006, 5:42 PM
i have a 20 year old remington wingmaster, hasnt failed me once, and it maybe hasnt been cleaned in 5 years of shooting.

bg
11-17-2006, 9:07 AM
I know it's a cheap weapon, and probably not very
good, but I ended up with my deceased brother's
Maverick 88. I've never shot it. I think he did once
or twice. It loads rounds and ejects em, so I guess
it might work.

joe4702
11-18-2006, 9:40 AM
Voted other (Winchester 1300 Defender)

Thundercleese
11-18-2006, 10:45 AM
Mmmm... Mossberg 500. Nice shotgun, especially since mine's in the Maverick 88 bullpup config :)

m1371
11-18-2006, 11:39 AM
Remington 870 when I was a kid; good for everything from dove, turkey, squirrel to deer.

Remington 870 for a short while during my time in the Marines, while I was deployed to the PI at various posts.

Remington 870 for keeping the home safe and sound.

Anybody notice a trend? :D

randy
11-20-2006, 12:01 AM
I work part time at a trap club.

We don't clean the rental guns until they don't work and then they get oiled first then put back in the rack 3 or 5 times before actually getting cleaned.

These guns are shot from 0 to 300 -400 rounds a day, with the maintenance described above.

The Benelli's hold up the best, then the 870's, and the Mossy's do not exist in the rental fleet.

Use what works for you

The Professional
11-20-2006, 10:12 AM
I got several 870s and 500s.

metalhead357
11-20-2006, 8:04 PM
I got several 870s and 500s.


And so your assessment of said same is:confused:

Blackgun
11-25-2006, 6:18 PM
I have 2 870's. Both are for hunting just different animals

Mag_Rat
11-25-2006, 7:48 PM
I don't own a 870 but I do own a 500 and I could tell you it has never let me down. We use both the 870 and the 500 on my boat and we have never had problems with them so I would also have to tell you to use what works best for you. I would not trade my 500 for a 870...:)

11Z50
11-25-2006, 8:08 PM
It's really too close to call. My latest shotty, a Mossberg 500 "Cruiser" with collapable PG stock is very sweet. But my 870's still are very much my favorites. Either way, I guess it's all in the deal. Shop around and get the most for your money.

Poohgyrr
11-26-2006, 5:36 PM
I used a Winchester M42 to hunt when I hunted birds and small furry things with SG's. That .410 ga has been in the family for three generations.

These days, the 870P gets buckshot, and the 11-87P puts three slugs into a one hole group at 25 yards..

These three should do anything I need a shotgun for.

Aluisious
11-27-2006, 11:40 AM
Hi guys, first post here. I have a Remington 870 Express Magnum, with a 6 round magazine. I recently installed a Knoxx SpecOps stock, as the traditional stock was not as comfortable for me (I shoot pistols mostly, I'm used to something coming out the bottom of the gun!).

The 870 action is very smooth, the only beef I have is that occasionally I manage to jam the damn thing so badly I end up needing to pry things out. I've noticed that if I don't make an effort to positively slam the slide forward, the extractor sometimes lets go of the round and that never leads to anything good.

jojosdad
11-28-2006, 11:08 AM
I've got a Mossy 590 and a Benelli Nova, but I just handled my first Ithica 37 yesterday and I think it's better balanced and smoother actioned than either of them. It's going in my letter to Santa for sure.

bear93445
11-28-2006, 12:18 PM
In chronological order:

Churchill - 20ga over/under (first shotgun)
??? - .410 bolt action
??? - 16 ga side-by-side
Remmington 870 - 12ga
Benelli Montefeltro - 12ga (Favorite)

:D :D :D