37mm Flare Launchers

[radioactivelego]

Are they legal in California? I found a Cobray and I'm dying to buy one...

[ohsmily]

I am fairly certain that by themselves, a flare launcher (37mm) is fine...but, you can't attach a 37mm M203 lookalike on a detachable magazine ar-15 b/c it counts as an evil feature.

[Sydwaiz]

I am fairly certain that by themselves, a flare launcher (37mm) is fine...but, you can't attach a 37mm M203 lookalike on a detachable magazine ar-15 b/c it counts as an evil feature.
But what about on a registered AW?

[gunrun45]

Are they legal in California? I found a Cobray and I'm dying to buy one...

My first post...:D any of these are considered "destructive devices" in CA and are banned (way before the last AW ban).

[M. Sage]

My first post...:D any of these are considered "destructive devices" in CA and are banned (way before the last AW ban).

Are you sure? A flare launcher? What are fishermen supposed to do? :P

[MrTenX]

I think they are ok by themselves. However, don't have any of those inserts to fire shotgun rds.

[blkA4alb]

My first post...:D any of these are considered "destructive devices" in CA and are banned (way before the last AW ban).
No, the destructive device is not the launcher. 37mm flare lauchers are legal, explosive rounds however are DDs. You can use flares and smoke loads in them (in the right places, i.e. no where near here.)

[blkA4alb]

I think they are ok by themselves. However, don't have any of those inserts to fire shotgun rds.
Correct, that would classify it as a short barreled shotgun.

[ohsmily]

My first post...:D any of these are considered "destructive devices" in CA and are banned (way before the last AW ban).

Nice first post. You are wrong. If you can provide evidence to the contrary, then I will eat my words. 40mm launcher are DDs but 37mm ones are not....

I guess you should have waited just a little longer before you made your first post.

And to the other poster, YES, you can have a 37mm launcher on a registered AW as far as I know.

[jnojr]

Are you sure? A flare launcher? What are fishermen supposed to do? :P

Not murder innocent fish or pollute the environment with their engine-powered boats, because they do it for profit rather than just sharing the fish with the people. Instead, they should vote Democrat, and the world will become a Utopia of peace and joy!

And here you are, trying to arm them with dangerous destructive devices that a child might find.

[BigMac]

You know I actually called the DOJ about this... there was a resounding we dont know.

I thought about mounting one to one of my registered pieces but I must be sure it's legal first.

[xenophobe]

Flare launchers alone are okay. Mounting a flare launcher on a registered assault weapon is alright.

[blkA4alb]

Flare launchers alone are okay. Mounting a flare launcher on a registered assault weapon is alright.
As would be mounting it on a fixed magazine gun.

[blkA4alb]

You know I actually called the DOJ about this... there was a resounding we dont know.
Whats that? The DOJ wouldn't couldn't give you a clear answer? :rolleyes: Fancy that...

[radioactivelego]

Whats that? The DOJ wouldn't couldn't give you a clear answer? :rolleyes: Fancy that...******** it. Considering the mixed answers I'm just going to engrave "Legal Foreplay" into it and mount this baby on my fixed mag.

[blkA4alb]

******** it. Considering the mixed answers I'm just going to engrave "Legal Foreplay" into it and mount this baby on my fixed mag.
Its perfectly legal, mount away. Just remember, no DD ammo.

[slick_711]

oh really? someone please link me to a 37mm flare launcher that looks like a 203 or at least can be mounted on an AR. I doubt I'd want to buy one but that'd be interesting to see. and who knows... maybe I'll be in the desert shooting at cans and need to lay down smoke cover (between my 10 rd sessions of course)

[blkA4alb]

http://www.37mm.com/

[Jicko]

How do a cobray mount to a M4 profile barrel? I'm all for getting one!!

Just $400....

www.cobray.com

BTW, which length goes on a 14.5/16 inch M4 the best?

[M. Sage]

It says the launcher comes complete with mount. If it's like a 203 (it should be similar at least), it'll go on like putting a new handguard on.

[luvtolean]

If you decide to do this, and shoot your rifle with it installed in public, I'd seriously recommend you put aside a few bucks and a card with a firearms lawyer's # on it.

We just had a guy get arrested for a OLL with fixed mag...adding a flare launcher, that looks like a 203, is begging for attention.

[Jicko]

It says the launcher comes complete with mount. If it's like a 203 (it should be similar at least), it'll go on like putting a new handguard on.

A mount... on.... Cobray's firearms.... NOT ARs! I am searching online, but no luck.... I was looking for an elegant soln' like the M203 on a SOCOM M4.... i have seen an ugly dangling mount.... but that's NOT what's certainly not what I'm looking for!


If you decide to do this, and shoot your rifle with it installed in public, I'd seriously recommend you put aside a few bucks and a card with a firearms lawyer's # on it.

We just had a guy get arrested for a OLL with fixed mag...adding a flare launcher, that looks like a 203, is begging for attention.

1) I have quite a few ARs, if I need to "bring to a local range"... I certainly have other choices

2) There are so many "public" BLM land one can go to.... where the chance seeing someone else there is SO slim.....

3) Again, an OLL(in legal configuration, mag-fixed) and a 37mm non-lethal launcher, are LEGAL......they can come get me ANYTIME.... IF their actions (harrassing law abiding citizens about their legal rifles) actually deter us from continuing to do what we are doing now (getting more black rifles and keeping them legal), then they win... and we lose....

[luvtolean]

Jack, I agree with what you're saying intellectually.

I think one needs to pick their battles. If it's that important to you, by all means do it. I'm not criticizing you for doing something legal. There is plenty of BLM land down in SD too. Agreed.

Personally, I think a look-alike grenade launcher, on an OLL, is asking for trouble, legal or not. I mean, it's purely an aesthetic thing. Nothing to do with function. I would not feel comfortable explaining to people that might be looking in to my past that I was arrested for a grenade launcher looking flaregun on the bottom of my AR15.

Quite frankly, though I'd fight like hell if arrested for an OLL, I don't want to call more attention to myself than it already does while out shooting it. And this is why I'd suggest if you get one of these, make sure there are some basic preparations made to deal with being arrested for it, unjustly or not.

[xenophobe]

As would be mounting it on a fixed magazine gun.


And how would you intend on loading the fixed mag? :confused:

Take the upper completely off the gun and load 10? That's brilliant. :rolleyes:

[blkA4alb]

And how would you intend on loading the fixed mag? :confused:

Take the upper completely off the gun and load 10? That's brilliant. :rolleyes:
That slipped my thoughts :rolleyes: . Ejection port? I've done it.

I was also talking about the legality, since that is what the discussion was about. Not the practicality.

[Jicko]

*giving up on the idea.....* (there are really no *nice* looking M203-37mm out there that will mount to M4-clone like the SOCOM M203)

As for how to load the rifle? heh hee...... "single shot" flare... as well as "single shot" CA-AR..... (making it even less evil....).... it can be an expensive device for signalling for help......

[gunrun45]

Nice first post. You are wrong. If you can provide evidence to the contrary, then I will eat my words. 40mm launcher are DDs but 37mm ones are not....

I guess you should have waited just a little longer before you made your first post.

And to the other poster, YES, you can have a 37mm launcher on a registered AW as far as I know.

No need to be an a** dude.

By the way, BLM has benned the use of registered AW's on their land for about the last 10 years.
I treid to get a LE exemption for company use and they declined even me. Get caught and face the loss of your right to vote. Sorry dude.

By the way, I reviewed section 12301(a) PC through 12301(b) PC and discovered that there is an exemption for "flare launchers listed under secition 12301(a)(3) PC for "flare launchers" as an exemption. Of course the projectile must be less than .60 caliber to qualify for the exemption.

[luvtolean]

By the way, BLM has benned the use of registered AW's on their land for about the last 10 years.
I treid to get a LE exemption for company use and they declined even me. Get caught and face the loss of your right to vote. Sorry dude.

You sure about that?

From the BLM site:

Persons have the permission of the Bureau of Land Management to possess and use firearms, including lawfully registered assault weapons, on BLM-administered public lands, except when prohibited by other applicable laws and regulations.

Fourth paragraph from the top:

http://www.blm.gov/ca/caso/hunting.html

Is there another law or something?

[gunrun45]

You sure about that?

From the BLM site:



Fourth paragraph from the top:

http://www.blm.gov/ca/caso/hunting.html

Is there another law or something?

Yep. BLM range in Redding, CA this year. I was very uncerimoneously ejected from the range on Swasey Rd even though I presented LE credentials and AW letter of registration. I contacted the BLM office in Redding and asked for a LE waver (per the officer sugestion at the time). I was denied. :eek: I was just trying to go with the rules. I've shot several AW's and class III rifles on BLM land for over 20 years with no problems like that before.

This was before the range was shut down due to some dumb a** shooting tracer rounds into the weeds starting a fire.

I was told it was policy for the past 10 years to prosecute people for shooting AW's on BLM land as it is not a state certified AW range. It was the first I heard of it too. I now only shoot on LE ranges and at Nice Shot indoor shooting range in Redding (class III dealer with indoor range) due to this problem.

I think its BS too. Like the dirt will get offended becasue you are shooting a AW into it.:rolleyes:

There are now only a handfull of ranges in that area where someone can legally go to shoot. Its a pitty really.

By the way, if you check the bottom of that page you linked to, you will see that it was last updated in 2004. Obviously not 10 years ago, but well before I had my problem.

[luvtolean]

Interesting. Especially that it happened up in NorCal.

One of my all-time favorite motorcycle roads is up there, CA 36 from Red Bluff to Platina. :D

[ohsmily]

No need to be an a** dude.

By the way, BLM has benned the use of registered AW's on their land for about the last 10 years.
I treid to get a LE exemption for company use and they declined even me. Get caught and face the loss of your right to vote. Sorry dude.

By the way, I reviewed section 12301(a) PC through 12301(b) PC and discovered that there is an exemption for "flare launchers listed under secition 12301(a)(3) PC for "flare launchers" as an exemption. Of course the projectile must be less than .60 caliber to qualify for the exemption.

Gee, glad you actually reviewed the law this time regarding the flare launcher instead of spouting the WRONG information to a large group of people...If you aren't sure of something, please put the caveat of "I think this is right" etc, otherwise, you mislead people and play into the large 'misinformation' machine of the internet...