Zip-Tie Fixed 10 Round Magazine Idea

[wildcard]

No pictures here because it hasn't been done yet.. still just an idea. If a person were to drill a hole through the bottom (probably the rear corner) of a 10 round magazine which protrudes below the magazine well (e.g. Bushmaster) and then zip-tied the magazine to the trigger guard via the drilled hole, whould this be a legal "fixed 10 round magazine?" There's sure as heck no way that magazine is coming out without a tool to cut the zip tie.

Yes, I know there are kits out there but those require $$$ and modification to the gun (though minor and reversible). This is just a easy and low budget idea I had that does not require any modification to the gun itself.

Opinions?

[Nefarious]

LMAO... now thats ghetto.. even for me :D
a Prince50 dont cost all that much. You dont need to MOD the rifle.

I dont see why that would not be considered a fixed mag. If one can use a zip tie to fix a tel stock... why not a mag?

[hoffmang]

I was actually jokingly speculating about just this idea in BuhBye's thread.

-Gene

[Socal858]

mag locks arent expensive these days

[blacklisted]

mag locks arent expensive these days

You can make one for about $2 if you have the correct size tap.

[GTKrockeTT]

if you can't/don't want to afford a mag log kit, you shouldn't be getting an AR-15.

[blacklisted]

if you can't/don't want to afford a mag log kit, you shouldn't be getting an AR-15.

Good point :D

[bu-bye]

HEY!!! :mad:

My T.U.R.D. is patented. The manufacture of TURDS, lets say in your bathroom, without the express written concent of TURD INC is illegal. Any copies of TURDS must be flushed from existance or charges will be filed. Any TURDS no disposed of will result in legal action....and one pissed off wife:D

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=40410

[WokMaster1]

LMAO! Man this one deserves a sticky, just for laughs!:D It's a classic!

[m1aowner]

My opinion? Very bad idea.

[ivanimal]

Bring extra Zip ties so they dont have to use their cuffs:eek:

[PIRATE14]

Bring extra Zip ties so they dont have to use their cuffs:eek:

******** just when thought you'd heard, seen it all.....some ******** like this comes around..........

I'll be selling ZIP TIES..........you guys kill me.

[jerryg1776]

LMAO... now thats ghetto.. even for me :D
a Prince50 dont cost all that much. You dont need to MOD the rifle.

I dont see why that would not be considered a fixed mag. If one can use a zip tie to fix a tel stock... why not a mag?


This reminds me of the hands free cell phone kit.. You know.. The one with the rubber band holding the cell phone to the guys head. I wish I could find and post that picture.

[colossians323]

You can make one for about $2 if you have the correct size tap.


Nice Avatar!

[RANGER295]

I have been afraid to build one of my OLL’s even with a commercial fixed mag kit or the SRB. I think this would be even more questionable. You have not changed the rifle at all. At least with the kit it no longer has the capacity to accept a detachable mag until you reverse the modification. With the zip tie you pull you knife out of your pocket… slash… rifle is normal again. I am going to wait a bit more and see where the dust settles. It looks like we may have our first test case.

[maxicon]

Removing the zip tie with a knife would be using a tool.

AFAICT, the zip tie idea meets the letter of the law. I'm not sure I'd want to give it a try, but I can't see how it's any different from a screw.

Now, some zip ties are reusable, and can be removed without cutting them, so you'd want to avoid them of course.

max

[blacklisted]

Removing the zip tie with a knife would be using a tool.

AFAICT, the zip tie idea meets the letter of the law. I'm not sure I'd want to give it a try, but I can't see how it's any different from a screw.

Now, some zip ties are reusable, and can be removed without cutting them, so you'd want to avoid them of course.

max

I would imagine that a zip tie could be weakened to the point that it can be removed without the use of a tool.

[rorschach]

Zip-ties can be removed without a tool just by lifting up the little tab away from the teeth with the corner of your fingernail. Just tried it.

Hmmm....I always felt my no-tools-required HK lock was pushing it, but even this is too risky for me.

[hoffmang]

So skip the zip tie and go with a compression loop in wire rope instead.

-Gene

[killermarmot]

But within 3 range trips you'll have spent in zip ties what you would have spent just buying components to make your own mag lock or just buying one of the kits o_O

[slick_711]

Zip-ties can be removed without a tool just by lifting up the little tab away from the teeth with the corner of your fingernail. Just tried it.

The store that sold you your zip ties ripped you off :rolleyes: Any decent zip tie (unless made to do so) cannot be reused and cannot be loosened w/o being cut once it's in place. If you don't believe me go get drunk and get in a fight near a college campus, then try to get out of the zip ties they put on you. You can't do it, I tried last month.

To the "letter of the law" I can't see why this wouldn't be legal, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to argue it. The DOJ doesn't comprehend the law the way we do, their version of "interpreting written law" consists of shredding it and doing what they want.

If you don't have ~$12.50 for a prince 50 kit you can make your own by drilling and tapping your current mag button, it's 20mins of work and $1 in parts. ******** I'm tempted to mail you a ten dollar bill just to keep you out of trouble.

[wildcard]

Thanks for all those who provided an objective opinion with some thought and factual support and/ or disapproval. The idea was personally just for entertainment purposes and seeing if it would be legal according to the letter of the law. With a quality zip-tie, it seems like it would be. Heck, if you use a black one, it would barely be noticeable assuming your gun was all black. I realize the kits are rather inexpensive for what they are, but thought this may be a viable option for those who don't feel like buying something where there's an effective alternative for a rather negligible price by any standard. Plus for those who worry about SHTF scenarios and quick conversions (when in "free states") with more readily accessible tools, this could potentially be preferred.

Let me just reiterate: i'm not poor and I can afford a kit if I wanted to. This is merely an idea I thought I would share for entertainment purposes. I have to say though, i'm sure some parties would have expressed more support if they felt a profit could be made on the idea..

[BLFD1]

The store that sold you your zip ties ripped you off :rolleyes: Any decent zip tie (unless made to do so) cannot be reused and cannot be loosened w/o being cut once it's in place. If you don't believe me go get drunk and get in a fight near a college campus, then try to get out of the zip ties they put on you. You can't do it, I tried last month.

To the "letter of the law" I can't see why this wouldn't be legal, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to argue it. The DOJ doesn't comprehend the law the way we do, their version of "interpreting written law" consists of shredding it and doing what they want.

If you don't have ~$12.50 for a prince 50 kit you can make your own by drilling and tapping your current mag button, it's 20mins of work and $1 in parts. ******** I'm tempted to mail you a ten dollar bill just to keep you out of trouble.


Hell, I need ten dollar bills mailed to me!!! :D

[slick_711]

Hell, I need ten dollar bills mailed to me!!! :D

Nope sorry, I'm a broke college student working full time to cover school/guns/beer/bills; I don't really have any to spare or I'd gladly share. But my being broke is a testament to just how much I don't wanna see him get in trouble, that was my point lol. I'm glad to go to war with DOJ over the OLL situation, I will devote my time and any spare cash I have, but not if our testcase is sporting a zip tie. :D

[matarlegoate]

Wouldn't the white-trash method be to totally cover the mag and magwell with duct tape? One that stuff is on there, you'd need a knife aka "tool" to get it off. Of course, you'd have to use the silver tape, the green stuff would be too tactical.:)

[dhl]

Gentlemen, the fellow that posted the question was asking for information, not ridicule. If you're not helping someone that ask's a question or are ridiculing or making fun of another gun owner than you're one of the people that's giving law abiding gun owners a bad name.

If you make fun of someone that ask's a question you project an image of adolescent stupidity. If you keep it up people will be intimidated to ask questions and then the learning stops and becomes a degression into intellectual disintegration. That's not good for anyone and is especially bad for gun owners.

Help your fellow shooters.